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Benncollinsaad
09-27-2009, 06:36 PM
Who in your mind is the greatest French fighter and why? I think many will say Marcel Cerdan. He may well deserve that honour. I also think Fabrice Tiozzo is among the top 3 greatest French fighters. Laurent Boudouani is def among the top 5. Tiozzo's brother Christophe was also a fine middle/super middleweight.

Can't remember any others at the moment...Mormeck is counted as French, isn't he? Although he was born outside of France, so I dunno...

Benncollinsaad
09-27-2009, 06:38 PM
Bruno and Christophe Girard, are they brothers? Bruno is def one of the best French fighters. He has won two world titles at two different weights.

TheGreatA
09-27-2009, 06:45 PM
Georges Carpentier
Marcel Cerdan

Stoppage
09-27-2009, 06:51 PM
Don't forget about Georges Carpentier. He fought from flyweight to heavyweight. He was the world light heavyweight champion for about 2 years and, even though he didn't win, he fought Jack Dempsey for the heavyweight title.

He holds wins over Harry Lewis, Battling Levinsky, Ted (Kid) Lewis and Gunboat Smith.

Pretty impressive.

Benncollinsaad
09-27-2009, 07:01 PM
Ah, yes! Carpentier. The WW2 hero and all that. He was favored against Dempsey, by the public that is. They wanted him to win.

Junito-Rulez
09-27-2009, 07:13 PM
1) Marcel Cerdan
2) Georges Carpentier
3) Fabrice Tiozzo
4) Laurent Boudouani
5) Jean Marc Mormeck

Anaclet Wamba, the other Tiozzo are good fighters too. In a couple of years, I think this kid will make some noise:

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GJC
09-27-2009, 07:14 PM
Georges Carpentier
Marcel Cerdan
They would be my two

Benncollinsaad
09-27-2009, 07:50 PM
1) Marcel Cerdan
2) Georges Carpentier
3) Fabrice Tiozzo
4) Laurent Boudouani
5) Jean Marc Mormeck

Anaclet Wamba, the other Tiozzo are good fighters too. In a couple of years, I think this kid will make some noise:

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Yes, Wamba is underated. Was WBC CW champ for years without anybody knowing his name.

mickey malone
09-28-2009, 03:37 AM
Carpentier followed by Cerdan, without doubt.. Johnny Famechon deserves a mention to, although fought out of Australia..

Wamba, who I agree was dreadfully underrated, was originally from the Congo in Africa..
However, he fought out of France.. I seem to remember him being WBC champ & on a long winning streak when his career suddenly came to an abrupt halt.. Anyone know why?... I know he was down to fight Tommy Hearns at one stage, but the fight never came off..

There's been some good fighting brothers from France to.. Famechon's, Tiozzo's, Acares's, Girard's..

Bourdouani, Mormeck are also good fighters.. Renee Jarquot who beat Don Curry for one of the L/M titles, wasn't bad either..

BennyST
09-28-2009, 06:51 AM
Yeah, Carpentier and Cerdan definitely. Djelkir looked ok. Needed better defense on the way in though, he could have been tagged constantly by someone with a good jab. If he could lose a little weight, trim down a little bit and get a stiff jab going along with the good head movement on the way in he would go well. He had pretty fast hands on the inside.

What division was it and what's his record so far?

BennyST
09-28-2009, 06:53 AM
Carpentier followed by Cerdan, without doubt.. Johnny Famechon deserves a mention to, although fought out of Australia..

Wamba, who I agree was dreadfully underrated, was originally from the Congo in Africa..
However, he fought out of France.. I seem to remember him being WBC champ & on a long winning streak when his career suddenly came to an abrupt halt.. Anyone know why?... I know he was down to fight Tommy Hearns at one stage, but the fight never came off..

There's been some good fighting brothers from France to.. Famechon's, Tiozzo's, Acares's, Girard's..

Bourdouani, Mormeck are also good fighters.. Renee Jarquot who beat Don Curry for one of the L/M titles, wasn't bad either..

Nah, we claim him! Aussie mate, through and through. No damn frogs are going to pinch him. Famechon was a right proper ruddy bugger, cobber. True blue and all that ****. :lol1:

Benncollinsaad
09-28-2009, 08:04 AM
Carpentier followed by Cerdan, without doubt.. Johnny Famechon deserves a mention to, although fought out of Australia..

Wamba, who I agree was dreadfully underrated, was originally from the Congo in Africa..
However, he fought out of France.. I seem to remember him being WBC champ & on a long winning streak when his career suddenly came to an abrupt halt.. Anyone know why?... I know he was down to fight Tommy Hearns at one stage, but the fight never came off..

There's been some good fighting brothers from France to.. Famechon's, Tiozzo's, Acares's, Girard's..

Bourdouani, Mormeck are also good fighters.. Renee Jarquot who beat Don Curry for one of the L/M titles, wasn't bad either..

Thats right, Jacquot. He fought Terry Norris for the lm title. Actually, he had won the WBC title against Don Curry but then got unlucky in the first defense against John Mugabi and slipped on the canvas, injuring his ankle. In the first round too.:nonono:

GJC
09-28-2009, 10:29 AM
Nah, we claim him! Aussie mate, through and through. No damn frogs are going to pinch him. Famechon was a right proper ruddy bugger, cobber. True blue and all that ****. :lol1:
LOL.
Always amazes me how great the Aussies are good at sport
If you think about it the U.K. settled it with people who were the poorest athletes i.e. the people who couldn't outrun the police.
Kind of throws evolution on its head a bit :)

sonnyboyx2
09-28-2009, 10:37 AM
1) Marcel Cerdan
2) Battling Siki
3) Georges Carpentier
4) Marcel Thil
5) Eugene Criqui
6) Emile `spider`Pladner
7) Jean Marc Mormeck
8) Gratien Tonna
9) Louis Arcaries
10 Anaclet Wamba

all very good fighters

Benncollinsaad
09-28-2009, 11:23 AM
1) Marcel Cerdan
2) Battling Siki
3) Georges Carpentier
4) Marcel Thil
5) Eugene Criqui
6) Emile `spider`Pladner
7) Jean Marc Mormeck
8) Gratien Tonna
9) Louis Arcaries
10 Anaclet Wamba

all very good fighters

How can you leave out Fabrice Tiozzo and Bruno Girard?:nonono:

sonnyboyx2
09-28-2009, 11:28 AM
How can you leave out Fabrice Tiozzo and Bruno Girard?:nonono:
it was not a case of leaving anyone out.. i named my top 10 all time great French Fighters and the 2 you suggest are not in my Top 10

Benncollinsaad
09-28-2009, 12:04 PM
it was not a case of leaving anyone out.. i named my top 10 all time great French Fighters and the 2 you suggest are not in my Top 10

What did Battling Siki, Thril, Criqui and Pladner do to deserve making the list?? I never even heard of the last three!

TheGreatA
09-28-2009, 12:48 PM
What did Battling Siki, Thril, Criqui and Pladner do to deserve making the list?? I never even heard of the last three!

Siki beat Carpentier but I don't think he was as great as Carpentier. His career was rather unimpressive aside from that one win.

Marcel Thil was the middleweight champ which is more than enough to make the list.

Ray Famechon, the uncle of the Australian Johnny Famechon, deserves a mention here. Ray was a long-time featherweight contender who fought Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler.

sonnyboyx2
09-28-2009, 12:49 PM
What did Battling Siki, Thril, Criqui and Pladner do to deserve making the list?? I never even heard of the last three!
very surprised at you that you ask what did these fighters do to deserve being on my list..
Battling Siki was one of the most colourfull fighters in history who often walked around with a pet Tiger on a lead, many books have been written about this fighter whose life-style made Mike Tyson seem like a boy scout, Criqui & Thil both won over 100 fights and are in the IBHOF Criqui is famous for being the only world champion with no jaw, his jaw was shattered by a bullet in WW1 he had it rebuilt with a Goats leg bone, Thil was a great fighter beating the likes of Gorilla Jones, Jock McAvoy and the great Len Harvey.

mickey malone
09-29-2009, 11:39 AM
Nah, we claim him! Aussie mate, through and through. No damn frogs are going to pinch him. Famechon was a right proper ruddy bugger, cobber. True blue and all that ****. :lol1:
Fair Dinkum!... We did the same with Boza Edwards & arguably Lennox Lewis.. Bit like some of the Kiwi's where Bob Fitzsimmons is concerned..

Steak
09-29-2009, 02:05 PM
1) Marcel Cerdan
2) Battling Siki
3) Georges Carpentier
4) Marcel Thil
5) Eugene Criqui
6) Emile `spider`Pladner
7) Jean Marc Mormeck
8) Gratien Tonna
9) Louis Arcaries
10 Anaclet Wamba

all very good fighters
Tiozzo was better than Mormeck, imo.

Benncollinsaad
09-29-2009, 02:20 PM
very surprised at you that you ask what did these fighters do to deserve being on my list..
Battling Siki was one of the most colourfull fighters in history who often walked around with a pet Tiger on a lead, many books have been written about this fighter whose life-style made Mike Tyson seem like a boy scout, Criqui & Thil both won over 100 fights and are in the IBHOF Criqui is famous for being the only world champion with no jaw, his jaw was shattered by a bullet in WW1 he had it rebuilt with a Goats leg bone, Thil was a great fighter beating the likes of Gorilla Jones, Jock McAvoy and the great Len Harvey.

Nobody yet answered about Pladner.

sonnyboyx2
09-29-2009, 02:58 PM
Nobody yet answered about Pladner.

Emille (spider)Pladner was one of the greatest French fighters of all time, he was World Flyweight champion even tho he was blind in one eye...

Pladner was a talented fighter who lost only 16 bouts in 134 contests and scored 39 knockouts; During his career, he won the NBA Flyweight Championship of the World, the IBU Flyweight Championship of the World, the EBU Flyweight Championship of Europe and the Bantamweight Championship of France

The "Spider" defeated such men as Frankie Genaro, Johnny Hill, Newsboy Brown, Victor "Young" Perez, "Wee" Willie Davies, Eugene Huat, "Corporal" Izzy Schwartz, Bobby Leitham, Ernie Jarvis, Frankie Ash, Nicolas Petit-Biquet, Maurice Dubois, Shuku Hashimoto, Werner Riethdorf and Jimmy Thomas

Herb Goldman ranked Emile as the #20 All-Time Flyweight

Davros?
09-29-2009, 03:02 PM
Mormeck is one of my fav fighters to watch as he is always involved in good fights. Georges Carpentier is probably the best French boxer.

mickey malone
09-29-2009, 05:53 PM
Emille (spider)Pladner was one of the greatest French fighters of all time, he was World Flyweight champion even tho he was blind in one eye...

Pladner was a talented fighter who lost only 16 bouts in 134 contests and scored 39 knockouts; During his career, he won the NBA Flyweight Championship of the World, the IBU Flyweight Championship of the World, the EBU Flyweight Championship of Europe and the Bantamweight Championship of France

The "Spider" defeated such men as Frankie Genaro, Johnny Hill, Newsboy Brown, Victor "Young" Perez, "Wee" Willie Davies, Eugene Huat, "Corporal" Izzy Schwartz, Bobby Leitham, Ernie Jarvis, Frankie Ash, Nicolas Petit-Biquet, Maurice Dubois, Shuku Hashimoto, Werner Riethdorf and Jimmy Thomas

Herb Goldman ranked Emile as the #20 All-Time Flyweight
Good imfo.. I believe he won and lost the title to Genaro, so it must have been during the late 20's..

Leakbeak
10-02-2009, 12:39 AM
At the moment we have quite a good grassroots program on the go, and the days of Carpentiere and Cerdan will be just around the corner! Olympians such as Khedafi Djelkhir and Douda Sow are just the beginning. We had a boxer who represented Morocco too. It is growing in ethnic areas and we will have another legend soon enough who will wipe the floor with an overhyped english bum. Pretty much the way youngest Brit champ ever Ted Kid Lewis got dealt with by Carpentiere in a single round! Vive Le France! We spit on them chiennes, lol

mickey malone
10-02-2009, 05:47 AM
At the moment we have quite a good grassroots program on the go, and the days of Carpentiere and Cerdan will be just around the corner! Olympians such as Khedafi Djelkhir and Douda Sow are just the beginning. We had a boxer who represented Morocco too. It is growing in ethnic areas and we will have another legend soon enough who will wipe the floor with an overhyped english bum. Pretty much the way youngest Brit champ ever Ted Kid Lewis got dealt with by Carpentiere in a single round! Vive Le France! We spit on them chiennes, lol
If you wanted to do some Brit bashing, you should have done a professional job & mentioned Joe Beckett.. I take it your still bitter about the scalp of Mormeck at the hands of Londoner, David Haye...

Benncollinsaad
10-02-2009, 08:51 AM
If you wanted to do some Brit bashing, you should have done a professional job & mentioned Joe Beckett.. I take it your still bitter about the scalp of Mormeck at the hands of Londoner, David Haye...

Don't pay attention to that sorry-ass racist.

Solntse
10-02-2009, 08:57 AM
Monchipour was good too

CCobra
10-03-2009, 05:37 AM
Georges Carpentier
Marcel Cerdan

That would be how I have it.