How would you rate a young larry holmes mobility ? . I saw a young larry holmes up on his toes dancing against shavers and I think holmes looked ali like on his feet . I think a young holmes was very quick on his feet .

Responses please ? .

Holmes could move pretty good in his prime. He used to mimick Ali allot of the time during his fights and snake out the jab. He wasn`t what you`d call a natural mover but he learnt it well, well enough to win a round against a prime Tyson!

Thanks for the reply . would you say holmes was fast on his feet dancing ? ., was there any heavies in the eighties who were fast on their feet dancing ? . What do you mean holmes wasent a natural mover ? .

Holmes had average speed of foot in his prime but decent hand speed ( not super fast but decent ). I mean by Holmes not being a natural mover, is that Holmes used to jab then move, rather than jab while moving. Ali could punch in motion moving from either left or right but Holmes would have to stand still, then fire the jab, indicating that he wasn`t totally comfortable with this style.
The eighties was probably the worse heavyweight decade since the fifties. I guess Tyrell Biggs could move, until caught! But....the eighties was void of serious talent from 1985 till 1991 ( apart from Tyson, he was the only decent heavyweight till Holyfield, Bowe and lewis came along! )

Thanks for the reply . I have seen holmes against shavers and I think holmes was fast on his feet in that fight . Have you seen that fight ? . Also I think holmes was able to punch while he moved, do you disagree ? . You only rate holmes footspeed as being average do you not think he was quick on his feet ? .

Responese please .

Please reply .

his hands, jabs, that is, are better known for speed than his footwork

Do you not think holmes was fast on his feet ? . , have you seen his fight against shavers ? , he was kind of moving like ali in that fight , even the commentator said he had quick feet .

How would you rate a young larry holmes mobility ? . I saw a young larry holmes up on his toes dancing against shavers and I think holmes looked ali like on his feet . I think a young holmes was very quick on his feet .
Holmes is definitely much quickest than Ali right now.

Holmes used to say all's copy style. But I don't think that.
Indeed Holmes sometimes dancing like all but Holmes fight was much strong
than all.strong jab he has and more offensive than all I think.
But in prime times all was much better dancer in the ring,best shuffle master I think.

Thanks for the reply , do you think holmes was fast on his feet ?, as fast as tyrell biggs say or was tyrell biggs much faster ? .

Are you there sinatra junior ? .

chill man!!

Why do some people think holmes was fast on his feet and others think holmes had average footspeed ? .

Early in his career, like a lot of fighters, Holmes showed he could get up on his toes and move around. He did pattern himself after Ali to a certain extent and it showed.

But later on his career (like a lot of fighters), Holmes got much more flatfooted, and sat down on his punches a lot more. He still moved and could change directions, etc., but he never got on his toes and danced anymore. It actually helped his power, especially his jab, which was a basically an annoyance when he was dancing, but it was a hard, stinging, long range weapon when he sat down on it.

Now, I hope that helps answer your questions, but I gotta tell ya, much as I like talking about footwork, all this going on about fighters' feet is starting to creep me out! :eek: What's next? "Would Tyson look good in red pumps?" "Would Vitali wearing stilletos hurt his power?" ;)

Yeah but early in his career do you think holmes was fast on his feet , as fast as tyrell biggs say .

Responses please .

Holmes could move pretty good in his prime. He used to mimick Ali allot of the time during his fights and snake out the jab. He wasn`t what you`d call a natural mover but he learnt it well, well enough to win a round against a prime Tyson!

hell no that prime holmes could beat prime tyson. why is so many think prime holyfield,holmes, lewis etc could beat tyson?.

Responses please .


holmes moved well and had good speed, but not as fast as your replys. man, please don't ask the q again

Would you say holmes was as fast on his feet as tyrell biggs ? .

Would you say holmes was as fast on his feet as tyrell biggs ? .
If I tell you the answer, would you kindly let this thread die??

PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF HUMANITY!!

Catskills what interests you so much about fighters mobility? The reason I ask is it seems like most of your questions deal with the way figthers move in the ring.

Because mobility is a rare thing with heavyweights, also I dont understand why people disagree with holmes speed of footmovement , some say holmes was quick on his feet and others say he wasent I dont understand that . No one debates holmes had a great jab or fast hands but when it comes to his mobility everyone seems to have a different opinion .

Responses please .

Is anyone there ? .

Rick close this thread.

This dudes asking for it... :ban: :sucks: :tool: :bryce:

Responses please .
See my previous post - you answer my question with a yes, then I'll answer yours, and then we'll all go home happy...

Seriously was holmes as fast on his feet as biggs ? .

Is this an illegal blow?

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Is this an illegal blow?

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Does not look like it. Looks like he was ducking and the timing was thrown off. If he intentionally targeted that punch and landed it, yet that would be illegal IMO.

Seriously was holmes as fast on his feet as biggs ? .
Seriously, if I answer the question, will you drop this thread?

Seriously.

Yes I will .

Yes I will .
Ok - you're on! ;)

Tyrell Biggs may have been the best dancer of any heavyweight of any time. Given his size (6’5”, 230), his grace was remarkable, and even if a young Ali might have had the slightly quicker feet, he didn’t have the lithe change of directions/pace that Biggs had. Of course, Ali had advantages in other areas, but that’s not the point of this thread.

Holmes (even a young Holmes) was a notch below these two. While in his youth, he could dance, he didn’t move as fluidly as Biggs, nor did his dancing seem to help his fighting ability at all – in fact he often seemed to be much more effective standing and slipping punches rather than jumping around (which is true of many fighters). You often got the sense he was dancing just to show he could do it, just like his mentor (Ali). When he jabbed while he trotted around, it seemed to be for entertainment rather than purposeful (and I think you could argue no one has ever been really effective jabbing off their back foot (i.e. dancing) except for Ali). Nonetheless, he was a good mover (even as he got older he moved well), and it was definitely a strength, but no one could ever say he was a dancer on par with Ali or Biggs.

There - I did it. Thread’s closed – let’s go celebrate! :fest30:

Do you think holmes was much slower on his feet than ali ? .

Do you think holmes was much slower on his feet than ali ? .
You got a lot of nerve, asking this after you said you'd shut the thread down. You actually think someone's going to answer you now?

Not me.

YES i DO .

Is anyone there ? .

wow man, you are annoying as hell.... Give it up with Holmes his career was a joke :boxing:

Who cares how fast Holmes was on his feet!!! His effective use of his jab and occasional off rhythm right were what he was known for. If you want to talk about foot movement, talk abt Willie Pep. It's like asking was Tyson faster on his feet than Tua. Who the hell cares!! They'll both tear you to shreads flat footed and that's all that mattered

Would you say holmes was as fast on his feet as bruce seldon ? .

Holmes was faster on his feet than Seldon, but maybe not as fast as Tyrell Biggs.Matter of fact, Page,Dokes, and Tucker probably had better movement and mobility than the Holmes' of the 80's.

Come on man holmes was not nears as fast as biggs and biggs was faster than greg page .

Biggs was faster than a post-83 Page, but a pre-82 Page was at least every bit as fast as Biggs.Hey, man, check out the fight with Marty Monroe and Evangelista and notice the footwork.

Yo Dynamite67 was greg page far off ali in footspeed, could page float like a butterfly like ali ? .

Yo marvellous TG are you there ? .

Dynamite76 are you there ? .

lmao you're still going on about fighters footspeed... get a life!

Hey catskills23 are you there?

Do not sleep, keep working, your thread is going down!

Are you there marvellous tg ? .

Yo Dynamite67 was greg page far off ali in footspeed, could page float like a butterfly like ali ? .


At times, Page's footwork was like Ali, but most of the time, it was a slower version of what Muhammad was, as we all know, the boy was very overweight much of the time.

You say most of the time pages footwork was slower than ali but was it ever as fast as alis when page was fit or close to it ? .

From what I've seen, there are a couple of fights where Page moves were somewhat Ali-like, LeDoux and Berbick. However, in the latter, his movement and lack of inside fighting skill cost him a decision.

Did prime page move much better and quicker than prime holmes ? .

you're seriously just...**** it.

What a great poster catskills23 was.

Lmaooooooo

lmao you're still going on about fighters footspeed... get a life!

damn, treat catskills with respect, no wonder your karma bar is red,

i have noticed though that catskills has foot fetish, so what?

catskills, you there?