This is in response to Mexico vs Puerto Rico Thread initiated by Rogue. This is not a flame thread, just something interesting that I hope will provide some thoughtful comments from the members of this board. I contended with Rogue that I’ve read in a newspaper article that PR had the edge in championship bouts vs Mexicans. We decided to do some research to find if this was true. I have to thank rightuppercut for the list of Mexican Champs, which we used, and we used a list posted by a website, Taino Box, to research the PR Champs. The list is in the next posting. We only used for our analysis the four main organizations, WBC, WBO, IBF, and WBA. The results was 41-38-1-1 in favor of Puerto Rico. I took hours of research so please give credit if used. Comments? :boxing:

MEXICAN CHAMPS
JULIO CESAR GONZALEZ : O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Oscar de La Hoya:
vs Trinidad Lost WBC, IBF
Vs Wilfredo Rivera Won WBC
Vs Macho Camancho Won WBC
Vs John John Molina won WBO

Alejandro ' Terra ' Garcia
not found

Guadalupe Aquino C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Raúl'Diamante" Márquez F.I.B No
No T/F vs PR

Luis Ramon ' yoriboy ' Campas F.I.B
vs Daniel Santos Lost WBO

José A. "Mantequilla" Nápoles:
No T/F vs PR

Carlos Palomino C.M.B
Vs Wilfredo Benitez Lost WBC

Pipino Cuevas González A.M.B
Vs Angel Espada Won WBA X 3

Jorge Vaca C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Genaro León O.M.B
Vs Danny Garcia Won WBO

José Luis "Maestrito" López O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Antonio Margarito Montiel O.M.B
Vs Daniel Santos Lost WBO
Vs Daniel Santos NC WBO 1 round cuts
Vs Kermit Cintron Won TKO 5 Retained WBO

José "Battling Shaw" Pérez*
Not Found

René Arredondo C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Julio César Chávez C.M.B, F.I.B
Vs EL Macho Camacho Won WBC
Vs Angel Hernandez Won WBC
Vs Sammy Fuentes Won WBC
Vs Edwin Rosario Won WBA
Va Juan Laporte Won WBC

Carlos "Bolillo" González O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan Zurita N.B.A
No T/F vs PR

Lauro "Tigre" Salas N.B.A
No T/F vs PR

Erubey "Chango" Carmona C.M.B
No T/F (record under chango)

Rodolfo "Gato" González C.M.B
No T/F

José Luis Ramírez C.M.B, A.M.B
Vs El Macho Camacho Lost WBC
Vs Edwin Rosario Won WBC Fight of the year
Vs Edwin Rosario Lost WBC

César ' huesitos 'Bazán C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Mauricio Aceves O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Miguel Angel González C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Rafael Ruelas F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

José Luis Castillo C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Javier " Chatito " Jauregui F.I.B
No T/F Against PR

Julio ' The Kid " Diaz F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan " the bull " Diaz
Found one named the baby bull but not mexican

Ricardo Arredondo C.M.B
No T/F Against PR

Rafael "Bazooka" Limón C.M.B
Vs Hector Camacho Lost WBC

Gabriel Ruelas C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Antonio ' monito 'Hernandez A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Jesus ' matador 'Chavez C.M.B
Vs Carlos El Topo Gerena Won WBC

Marco Antonio Barrerra
Vs Orlando Fernandez Won WBO
Vs Daniel La Cobra Jimenez Won WBO

Vicente 'zurdo de oro' Saldivar C.M.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Clemente Sánchez C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Rubén "Púas" Olivares C.M.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Salvador Sánchez C.M.B
Vs Wilfredo Gomez Won WBC
Vs Juan LaPorte Won WBC

Jorge "Maromero" Páez F.I.B, O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Marcos Villasana C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Manuel ' Mantecas ' Medina C.M.B,F.I.B,O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Gregorio 'Goyo ' Vargas C.M.B
Vs Juan Molina Lost IBF

Alejandro "Cobrita" González C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Ultiminio'sugar ' Ramos C.M.B,A.M.B
Not Found

Gustavo "Guty" Espadas Jr. C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan Manuel Márquez F.I.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Alberto 'baby ' Arizmendi **
No T/F vs PR

Hector ' papi ' Lizarraga F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Cesar ' cobrita ' Soto C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan "Kid" Meza C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan José "Dinamita" Estrada
No T/F vs PR

Enrique Sánchez A.M.B
Vs Rafael Del Valle Won WBA

Néstor "Tigre" Garza A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Óscar " Chololo "Larios C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Israel ' Magnifico " Vasquez F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Raúl "Ratón" Macias N.B.A
No T/F vs PR

José Becerra N.B.A
No T/F vs PR

Rubén "Púas" Olivares C.M.B, A.M.B


Jesús Castillo C.M.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Rafael Herrera C.M.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Romero "Lacandón" Anaya
No T/F vs PR

Rodolfo Martínez C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Víctor Rabanales C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Alfonso Zamora A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Carlos "Cañas" Zárate C.M.B
Vs Wilfredo Gomez Lost WBC
Vs Andres Hernandez Won WBC

Guadalupe "Grillo" Pintor C.M.B
Vs Wilfredo Gomez Lost WBC

Raúl "Jibaro" Pérez
Vs Wilfredo Vazquez Lost WBA
Vs Wilfredo Vazquez Won 10 rounds Nontitle

Daniel Zaragoza C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Cruz Carbajal O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Rafael Márquez F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Julio " la sombra " Zarate A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Gilberto Román C.M.B
Vs Juan Carazo Won WBC

Julio César "Navajo" Borboa F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

José Luis Bueno C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

José "Gallito" Quirino O.M.B
Vs Jose Ruiz Won WBO

Diego "Pelucho" Morales O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Fernando Montiel O.M.B
Vs Jose Carita Lopez Won WBO

Martin " el gallito " Castillo A.M.B
Vs Eric "manitas de acero" Morel Won WBA

Ivan " el choko " Hernandez
No T/F vs PR

Efrén "Alacrán" Torres C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Miguel Canto C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Gustavo "Guty" Espadas
No T/F vs PR

Antonio Avelar
No T/F vs PR

Juan Herrera A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Gabriel Bernal C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Isidro Pérez O.M.B
vs Angel Rosario Won WBO
Vs Jose De Jesus Lost WBO

Rubén Sánchez León O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Freddy Castillo
No T/F vs PR

Alberto Jiménez O.M.B
Vs Jose Lopez Won WBO

Isidro García O.M.B
Vs Eric Morel Lost WBA
Vs Eric Morel Lost WBA
Vs Jose Lopez Won WBO

Freddy Castillo
No T/F vs PR

Pedro Flores
No T/F vs PR

Amado Urzua
No T/F vs PR

Guadalupe Madera A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Germán Torres
No T/F vs PR

Humberto "Chiquita" González C.M.B, F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Melchor Cob Castro C.M.B, O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Jesús Chong O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Jorge "Travieso" Arce C.M.B, O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Victor " acorazao " Burgos F.I.B
vs El Nene Sanchez Won IBF

Ricardo "Finito" López F.I.B
Vs El Nene Sanchez Won IBF

Edgar " Tun Tun " Cardenas F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

José Antonio " el jaguar " Aguirre C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Roberto " Mako " Leyva F.I.B
vs Iron Boy Calderon Lost WBO

Isaac " tortas " Bustos
No T/F vs PR

Puertorican Champs

Sixto 'El Gallito' Escobar
Vs Rodolfo Casanova Won WBT

Carlos Ortiz
Vs Battling Torres Won World Welterwight Champsionship

José L. 'Chegui' Torres
No T/F Against Mex

Angel 'Cholo' Espada
Vs Pipino Cuevas Lost WBA
Vs Pipino Cuevas Lost WBA
vs Pipino Cuevas Lost WBA

Alfredo 'El Salsero' Escalera
Vs Sigfredo Rodriguez Won WBC

Wilfredo 'El Radar' Benitez
Vs Carlos Palomino Won WBC

Esteban 'Vita' De Jesus
Vs Vicente Saldivar Won WBC

Samuel 'Torbellino' Serrano
Vs Mario Martinez Won WBA

Wilfredo 'Bazooka' Gomez
Vs Lupe Pintor Won WBC
Vs Roberto Rubaldino Won WBC
Vs Juan Antonio Lopez Won WBC
Vs Juan Meza Won WBC
Vs Salvador Sanchez Lost WBC
Vs Carlos Zarate Won WBC
Vs Juan Antonio Lopez Won WBC
Vs Raul Tirado Won WBC

Julian Solis
No T/F vs Mex

Carlos 'Sugar' De Leon
Vs Alvaro Yaqui Lopez Won WBC

Osvaldo 'Jaws' Ocasio
Not Found

Juan Laporte
Vs Chavez Lost WBC
Vs Salvador Sanchez Lost WBC

Edwin 'Chapo' Rosario
Vs Chavez Lost WBA
Vs Jose Luis Ramirez Lost WBA
Vs Jose Luis Ramirez Won WBA

Hector 'Macho' Camacho
Vs Oscar de la Hoya Lost WBC
Vs Chavez Lost WBC
Vs Jose Luis Ramirez Won WBC
Vs Rafael Limon Won WBC

Mark Medal
No T/F vs Mex

Harry Arroyo
No T/F vs Mex

Victor 'Luvi' Callejas
No T/F vs Mex

Carlos Santos
No T/F vs Mex

Antonio 'Toñito' Rivera
No T/F vs Mex

Wilfredo 'Wi' Vazquez
No T/F vs Mex

Félix Camacho
No T/F vs Mex

Jose 'Cheito' Ruiz
Vs Jose Quirino Lost WBO
Vs Armando Velasco Won WBO

Jose 'Caguitas' De Jesus
Vs Isidro Perez Won WBO
Vs Fernando Martinez Won WBO

Juan 'John, John' Molina
Vs Oscar de la Hoya Lost WBO
Vs Gregorio Vargas Won IBF
Vs Manuel Medina Won IBF

Orlando 'Cholo' Fernandez
Vs Marco A. Barrera Lost WBO

Juan Nazario
No T/F vs Mex

Santos 'Chino' Cardona
No T/F vs Mex

Josue 'Dickie' Camacho
Vs Eddie Vallejo Won WBO

Daniel 'Popeye' Garcia
Vs Genaro Leon Lost WBO

Rafael Del Valle
Vs enrique Sanchez Lost WBA

Daniel 'La Cobra' Jimenez
Vs Marco Antonio Barrera Lost WBO

Felix 'Tito' Trinidad
Vs Fernando Vargas Won WBA IBF
Vs Oscar De La Hoya Won WBC IBF
Vs Luis Ramon Campas Won IBF

Alexander 'El nene' Sanchez
Vs Jose Victor Burgos Lost IBF
Vs Jose Victor Burgos Draw IBF
Vs Ricardo Finito Lopez Lost WBC, WBO
Vs Jose Victor Burgos Won WBO
vs Tomas Rivera Won WBO
vs Rafael Orozco Won WBO
vs Oscar Andrade WBO

Jake ' Snake' Rodriguez
No T/F vs Mex

Samuel 'Mangani' Fuentes
Vs Hector Lopez Won WBO
Vs Fidel Avendano Won WBO
Vs Chavez Lost WBC

Angel Manfredy
No T/F vs Mex

Lou Del Valle
Not Found

Angel 'Changuita' Almena
No T/F vs Mex

Daniel Santos
Vs Antonio Margarito NC WBO
Vs Luis Ramon Campas Won WBO
Vs Antonio Margarito won WBO

Eric 'Manitas de Acero' Morel
Vs Isidro Garcia Won WBA
Vs Isidro Garcia Won WBA
Vs Martin "el gallito" Castillo Lost WBA

John 'Quiet Men' Ruiz
No T/F vs Mex

Frank Toledo
Vs Manuel Medina Lost IBF
Vs Marco Antonio Barrera Lost WBO

Nelson Dieppa
Vs Ulises Solis Won WBO

Alexander Trujillo
No T/F vs Mex

Angel "La Avispa" Chacon
Vs Erik Morales Lost WBC

Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon
Vs Roberto Carlos Leyva Won WBO
Vs LorenzoTrejo Won WBO

Jose Antonio "El Gallo" Rivera
No T/F vs Mex

Manuel Alejandro Siaca
No T/F vs Mex

Miguel Cotto
No T/F vs Mex

good job man ... read 'em and weap boys and girls ... pr's up!

Okay, i admit i'm shocked to find out that PR has an edge...yet when i look at this closer i see some fatal flaws in the PR champs. Many of the Mexicans beaten in these "championship fights" don't seem worthy of title fights. In fact, i've just looked back at some "championship fights" of these PR champs , and found that many challangers had records way below .500 and not worthy of even being in a title fight. IMO Mexican champs have beaten better PR contenders than vice versa. It seems that a couple of farmers from Chiapas were plucked out to be mandatories to these PR Champs. Yet i'm still impressed by the research! Maybe i'll research this theory later on!

One can not say something is fair when it favors you and then unfair when it doesn't. As a boxing fan one may disagree with decisions made but why follow a sport if you don't trust any of its decisions and is so corrupted that can not be trusted. One can argue that the contenders were farmers from Chiapas but the opponents fought whomever the sanctioning body said was worthy of a title shot. If we are going to judge like that then I would have to say that 50% of Chavez opponents had negative records and that there was something fishy when the taylor fight was stopped after being schooled for 12 rounds. Nonetheless, I recognize Chavez as being one of the greatest exponents of the sport.

One can not say something is fair when it favors you and then unfair when it doesn't. As a boxing fan one may disagree with decisions made but why follow a sport if you don't trust any of its decisions and is so corrupted that can not be trusted. One can argue that the contenders were farmers from Chiapas but the opponents fought whomever the sanctioning body said was worthy of a title shot. If we are going to judge like that then I would have to say that 50% of Chavez opponents had negative records and that there was something fishy when the taylor fight was stopped after being schooled for 12 rounds. Nonetheless, I recognize Chavez as being one of the greatest exponents of the sport.


WoW, Nicely put Moonra. You seem to be on point.

good job man ... read 'em and weap boys and girls ... pr's up!

It's kind of normal. We've had much more champions, but not all of them have been all that good. Whereas PR has had less champions but with better overall quality.

But this fact remains: in the most important, expected, hyped, fight between a Mexican and a Rican, your all-time best against our all-time best, both in their primes, Salvador Sanchez obliteraded Wilfredo Gomez. Now remember it and weep.

good job man ... read 'em and weap boys and girls ... pr's up!

Puro Pinche Pedo. No vale Verga ese.

Damn it must hurt that a little island has more talent than a whole country. I can't wait to tell right uppercut because we have this argument all the time. PR's forever.

OWNAGE
Did you aslo count the last two PR vs. Mexico fight, in which, two PR's took two Mexicans belts :D .

Damn it must hurt that a little island has more talent than a whole country. I can't wait to tell right uppercut because we have this argument all the time. PR's forever.

More talent? And you got to this conclusion because...?

The stat shows that PR has an edge in championship bouts. How about this: Mexico has had 105 champions to Puerto Rico's 48. Now go ahead and say you guys have more talent than us.

More talent? And you got to this conclusion because...?

The stat shows that PR has an edge in championship bouts. How about this: Mexico has had 105 champions to Puerto Rico's 48. Now go ahead and say you guys have more talent than us.
Last time I checked it was 50, and it should be 52 now since two PR's took two Mexicans belts :D , P.S. look at my sig.

Last time I checked it was 50, and it should be 52 now since two PR's took two Mexicans belts :D , P.S. look at my sig.

50 or 52, whatever, still half as many as Mexico.

No country "owns" the other. Both had, have and will have great champions.

It's kind of normal. We've had much more champions, but not all of them have been all that good. Whereas PR has had less champions but with better overall quality.

But this fact remains: in the most important, expected, hyped, fight between a Mexican and a Rican, your all-time best against our all-time best, both in their primes, Salvador Sanchez obliteraded Wilfredo Gomez. Now remember it and weep.
Gomez isnt our All-time best, he fits in thrid (3/10)place just fine, and he lost after moving up in weight to face Sanchez.

Puro Pinche Pedo. No vale Verga ese.

no more respect for this bull**** post. vale verga ..... hahaha - educate primero pendejo.

Nice research, its great to see that this rivaly isnt going to end soon since it is the best in boxing

It's kind of normal. We've had much more champions, but not all of them have been all that good. Whereas PR has had less champions but with better overall quality.

But this fact remains: in the most important, expected, hyped, fight between a Mexican and a Rican, your all-time best against our all-time best, both in their primes, Salvador Sanchez obliteraded Wilfredo Gomez. Now remember it and weep.

i'm not mad at this, gomez going up to a weight that naturally wasn't his agains't the very best mexican ever produced. you win some you lose some. sanchez was the ****, had he stayed alive, there'd a been atleast 2 more gomez/sanchez fight.

i watch boxing ... if you don't have gomez at #1 ... then who do you have on PR's #4#???

theres no way that i could put tito/benitez or ortiz ahead of him.

i'm not mad at this, gomez going up to a weight that naturally wasn't his agains't the very best mexican ever produced. you win some you lose some. sanchez was the ****, had he stayed alive, there'd a been atleast 2 more gomez/sanchez fight.

i watch boxing ... if you don't have gomez at #1 ... then who do you have on PR's #4#???

theres no way that i could put tito/benitez or ortiz ahead of him.
Well I do have them ahead of him, cause Gomez is as good as Hopkins, he has a record breaker, but yes unlike Hopkins, he is considered the best in the divsion, but Trinidad, and Benitez fought with big names, in differnit weights, which I belive is better.

Well I do have them ahead of him, cause Gomez is as good as Hopkins, he has a record breaker, but yes unlike Hopkins, he is considered the best in the divsion, but Trinidad, and Benitez fought with big names, in differnit weights, which I belive is better.

opinion noted

i just can't put benitez ahead of him because he could have very well beaten everyone put in front of him had he trained properly, but he neglected to do so. tito - if he had more movement ....... and a win against hopkins then yeah i can see that.

The list is meaningless as to which country has produced better fighters. Its just a comparison of what there is and its not even complete there are a few fighters missing from the list. As well as decision that should have gone the other way. Too many variables.

If you think this makes puerto rico better than Mexico in boxing... well i dont think i need to say anything else.. :p

i dont even think its comparable, there have been more great mexican fighters than Puerto Ricans. Beside Tito and Benitez who else is there??? And im talking about icons of the sport.

a lot of the Mexicans mentioned shouldnt even been mentioned.

Im talking about the Oscar's Chavez, Barreras and Moraleses of the sport. NOt the damn speedy gonzales and george lopez of the sport

if mexico has twice as many champs doesnt that mean they has twice as many times to lose to a PR champ. maybe u should take the 50-52 PR champs records and compare it to the 52 best mexican champs? for better numbers that is.


or is that not the point and im a stupiud american and should stfu ^^

i'm not mad at this, gomez going up to a weight that naturally wasn't his agains't the very best mexican ever produced. you win some you lose some. sanchez was the ****, had he stayed alive, there'd a been atleast 2 more gomez/sanchez fight.

i watch boxing ... if you don't have gomez at #1 ... then who do you have on PR's #4#???

theres no way that i could put tito/benitez or ortiz ahead of him.

My post was in response to the guy that said that we should "weep" because PR had the edge in championship bouts.

And Wilfredo Gomez is most definately the best p4p fighter PR has ever produced. And it's not even that close, really.

if mexico has twice as many champs doesnt that mean they has twice as many times to lose to a PR champ. maybe u should take the 50-52 PR champs records and compare it to the 52 best mexican champs? for better numbers that is.


or is that not the point and im a stupiud american and should stfu ^^

My point is that you can't say PR "owns" Mexico because they have the edge in championship bouts. It's stupid.

if mexico has twice as many champs doesnt that mean they has twice as many times to lose to a PR champ. maybe u should take the 50-52 PR champs records and compare it to the 52 best mexican champs? for better numbers that is.


or is that not the point and im a stupiud american and should stfu ^^
We allready compared our top ten lists, and naturaly Puerto Ricos was better, now we are comparing to see who wins more on adverage when fighting between each other, PR wins again, and of course some people are in constant denail, claiming its not even close when we have like 6 million PR's in the world, and theres 20 million Mexicans, just in America.
P.S. look at my profile :D

look i dont see why we are arguing,
mexican, rican, whatever you are
we are all latinos, i have nothign but to
defend my beautiful country, but come on guys,
dont ****ing argue, we are all latinos,
and we dominate the lower weightclasses.

look i dont see why we are arguing,
mexican, rican, whatever you are
we are all latinos, i have nothign but to
defend my beautiful country, but come on guys,
dont ****ing argue, we are all latinos,
and we dominate the lower weightclasses.
Nicely said.

look i dont see why we are arguing,
mexican, rican, whatever you are
we are all latinos, i have nothign but to
defend my beautiful country, but come on guys,
dont ****ing argue, we are all latinos,
and we dominate the lower weightclasses.
You just dont want anymore.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=546240#post546240
(Mexico vs. PR thread)
now some one list the puerto rican ones please.

You just dont want anymore.


i wont get dragged into this
i dont see why we keep fighting
plus dont compare between our greates fighters
Vs your fighters. really dont do it.
thats why Latinos in the US are just stepped on
because we cant even unite.
this is about more than boxing
is about how latinos keep getting discriminated against
how no one cares about our nescesities,
because we cant even unite and protect each other.

i could care less i dont like really care for any boxers from either place america owns u all how about that?

i wont get dragged into this
i dont see why we keep fighting
plus dont compare between our greates fighters
Vs your fighters. really dont do it.
thats why Latinos in the US are just stepped on
because we cant even unite.
this is about more than boxing
is about how latinos keep getting discriminated against
how no one cares about our nescesities,
because we cant even unite and protect each other.
What you talking about dude? In Miami, and New York Latinos are united, in Miami their is more Hispsnics of all kinds than White people, plus its you Mexicans who were gloating about being better than us just a week ago on these forums, noone mentioned a thing to them.

nah man i didnt say we where better
i gave you all our champs and asked for yours
and we are discriminated against, in miami maybe not,
but NY;
when you are a minority
the first thing they read to you when you are a baby
are your rights
and the first thing you lear how to say is
i plea the 5th.

there is discrionation in this country
sorry to burst your bubble.

..... stop *****ing already. delete the ****ing thread.

nah man i didnt say we where better
i gave you all our champs and asked for yours
and we are discriminated against, in miami maybe not,
but NY;
when you are a minority
the first thing they read to you when you are a baby
are your rights
and the first thing you lear how to say is
i plea the 5th.

there is discrionation in this country
sorry to burst your bubble.
Here bro, I think you need this :bottle: :D

P.S. stop trying to get this thread deleted cause PR's won again.

Here bro, I think you need this :bottle: :D
yeah say what you want
but dont say i didnt tell you.
PD
JCC i better than anyone you have.
oo and i dont hate Ricans
ask straightjab

Like its been mentioned that list is somehwat skewed. Take a look at a guy like Alex Sanchez who has alot of wins over nobodies, but the second he went up againt Ricardo Lopez he was blown out of the water. John John Molina who beat up the Goyo Vargas' of the world but then lost to DLH, Wilfredo Gomez who owns alot of wins over Mexicans nobodies, but was blown out by Sal Sanchez

The thing that you have to take into account when looking at that list is that if a fighter is a world champion in the weight divisions from 122 down then he is pretty much doing all his fighting against Mexican fighters. They have more wins because they are fighting them much more than Mexicans champions are fighting PR challengers.

You also cant take anything that IwatchBoxing says seriously consider the guy just discovered the sport. He's the only guy on the planet that would actually try and claim Tito/DLH and Santos/Margarito as legit wins...well him and the rest of that island.

Like its been mentioned that list is somehwat skewed. Take a look at a guy like Alex Sanchez who has alot of wins over nobodies, but the second he went up againt Ricardo Lopez he was blown out of the water. John John Molina who beat up the Goyo Vargas' of the world but then lost to DLH, Wilfredo Gomez who owns alot of wins over Mexicans nobodies, but was blown out by Sal Sanchez

The thing that you have to take into account when looking at that list is that if a fighter is a world champion in the weight divisions from 122 down then he is pretty much doing all his fighting against Mexican fighters. They have more wins because they are fighting them much more than Mexicans champions are fighting PR challengers.

You also cant take anything that IwatchBoxing says seriously consider the guy just discovered the sport. He's the only guy on the planet that would actually try and claim Tito/DLH and Santos/Margarito as legit wins...well him and the rest of that island.

Once again spot on.

Like its been mentioned that list is somehwat skewed. Take a look at a guy like Alex Sanchez who has alot of wins over nobodies, but the second he went up againt Ricardo Lopez he was blown out of the water. John John Molina who beat up the Goyo Vargas' of the world but then lost to DLH, Wilfredo Gomez who owns alot of wins over Mexicans nobodies, but was blown out by Sal Sanchez

The thing that you have to take into account when looking at that list is that if a fighter is a world champion in the weight divisions from 122 down then he is pretty much doing all his fighting against Mexican fighters. They have more wins because they are fighting them much more than Mexicans champions are fighting PR challengers.

You also cant take anything that IwatchBoxing says seriously consider the guy just discovered the sport. He's the only guy on the planet that would actually try and claim Tito/DLH and Santos/Margarito as legit wins...well him and the rest of that island.

Still is impressive how "that island" match up to a country like Mexico that have 5X times its population...Why we don't compare PR to Mexico City?

FYI Jose...not everyone here thinks that Margarito/Trinidad won those fights. Btw are you Mexican...And I mean REAL Mexican...not the Taco Bell version.

Still is impressive how "that island" match up to a country like Mexico that have 5X times its population...Why we don't compare PR to Mexico City?

FYI Jose...not everyone here thinks that Margarito/Trinidad won those fights. Btw are you Mexican...And I mean REAL Mexican...not the Taco Bell version.

Its very impressive. You guys are #3 in the world, but dont try and sell me that becuase a guy can beat up 5 nobodies then get blown out when he steps up in competion that means he's better. It takes some commen sense when looking at that.

Im Mexican/American. I was born and raised in Arizona.

btw are you a REAL Puerto Rican or are you the J-Lo version.

Jose, thats nothing but excuses, and its lame, thats like saying every fighter a PR beat sucks but every fighter a Mexican beat is great, hmmm, and you try to act like you know better than me, but I schooled you in the Mexico vs. PR thread cause your really full of yourself, even if I started watching yesterday I'll still know more than you.

Jose, thats nothing but excuses, and its lame, thats like saying every fighter a PR beat sucks but every fighter a Mexican beat is great, hmmm, and you try to act like you know better than me, but I schooled you in the Mexico vs. PR thread cause your really full of yourself, even if I started watching yesterday I'll still know more than you.


1. I do know better than you.

2. Thats not "excuses" thats a legit reason.

3. You couldn't "school me" on your best day Jr.

4. I've forgot more about Boxing than you will every know.

Talking to you about this is pretty much

Jose: Gives legit reasons and points laced with commen sense

Iwatchboxing: NU UH!!!

4. I've forgot more about Boxing than you will every know.
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That is not saying much.

Iwatchboxing is a biased moron, and you know dick.

Its very impressive. You guys are #3 in the world, but dont try and sell me that becuase a guy can beat up 5 nobodies then get blown out when he steps up in competion that means he's better. It takes some commen sense when looking at that.

Im Mexican/American. I was born and raised in Arizona.

btw are you a REAL Puerto Rican or are you the J-Lo version.

Point taken. I'm 100% Bonafide Puertorro...Not the J-Lo version like Ruiz :cool:

That is not saying much.

Iwatchboxing is a biased moron, and you know dick.

Waaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaa

Point taken. I'm 100% Bonafide Puertorro...Not the J-Lo version like Ruiz :cool:

hahaha ruiz is a discgrace!

OWNAGE
Did you aslo count the last two PR vs. Mexico fight, in which, two PR's took two Mexicans belts :D .
well that guy on ur avatar doesnt have pr in his blood he has mexican in his blood. diego belongs to us

1. I do know better than you.

2. Thats not "excuses" thats a legit reason.

3. You couldn't "school me" on your best day Jr.

4. I've forgot more about Boxing than you will every know.

Talking to you about this is pretty much

Jose: Gives legit reasons and points laced with commen sense

Iwatchboxing: NU UH!!!
1. No you dont
2.Prove it with facts like this thread proved Puerto Rico has better fighters
3.I allready schooled you
4.You forgot cause you jump on bandwagons and forgot "yesterdays fighters"

Borikua, for the size of puerto rican, yes it is very impressive with the kind of fighters got compared to the population...

just to let u know there's one city that have boxers that will kill any countries

Detroit!
Joe Louis, "Sugar" Ray Robinson, Thomas "the hitman" Hearns...

lol

these 3 fighters would kill all puerto ricans and mexican fighters

Borikua, for the size of puerto rican, yes it is very impressive with the kind of fighters got compared to the population...

just to let u know there's one city that have boxers that will kill any countries

Detroit!
Joe Louis, "Sugar" Ray Robinson, Thomas "the hitman" Hearns...

lol

these 3 fighters would kill all puerto ricans and mexican fightersI understand the Puerto Ricans, but killing the Mexicans, that would be called child abuse.

1. No you dont
2.Prove it with facts like this thread proved Puerto Rico has better fighters
3.I allready schooled you
4.You forgot cause you jump on bandwagons and forgot "yesterdays fighters"


My god man. are you serious?

PR has better fighters huh oh ok.

Who do have better than Chavez, Sanchez or Lopez? thats right NOBODY and to say you do just shows how biased you are.

What badwagons are you talking about? and forgot "yesterdays fights" WTF?

My god man. are you serious?

PR has better fighters huh oh ok.

Who do have better than Chavez, Sanchez or Lopez? thats right NOBODY and to say you do just shows how biased you are.
Whos biased :confused: ?

Borikua, for the size of puerto rican, yes it is very impressive with the kind of fighters got compared to the population...

just to let u know there's one city that have boxers that will kill any countries

Detroit!
Joe Louis, "Sugar" Ray Robinson, Thomas "the hitman" Hearns...

lol

these 3 fighters would kill all puerto ricans and mexican fighters

Damn! Thanx for the info, I knew that Hearns was from the Motor City, but I didn't knew bout Joe Louis and SRR; That's very impressive.

Waaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaa



I've said it before and I'll say it again.. I WatchBoxing is by far the biggest ***** that this forum has ever seen.. If I saw him I'd pull a PR Flag out of his hand and throw it on the ground like BHop... Then I'd raise my Italian flag over my head and show him what a hard-working, classy culture is all about. How many Italians do you know that collect welfare?

I've said it before and I'll say it again.. I WatchBoxing is by far the biggest ***** that this forum has ever seen.

No. You are. You racist ******.

Iwatchboxing may be annoying, but he is twenty times more knowing that you pretend to be.

No. You are. You racist ******.

Iwatchboxing may be annoying, but he is twenty times more knowing that you pretend to be.


Look *****.. I speak the truth.. I Watch Boxing is biased.. I can back up my welfare statement with facts if you'd like.. Here in NY there are more Puerto Ricans on welfare than Italians even though there are many more Italians.. THAT IS A FACT!!! I WAtch Boxing claims PR fighters are the best just because they are PR.. Thats racism.. Fact vs. Racism.. Get the point

Look *****.. I speak the truth.. I Watch Boxing is biased.. I can back up my welfare statement with facts if you'd like.. Here in NY there are more Puerto Ricans on welfare than Italians even though there are many more Italians.. THAT IS A FACT!!! I WAtch Boxing claims PR fighters are the best just because they are PR.. Thats racism.. Fact vs. Racism.. Get the pointMy internet shalker :rolleyes: , how come you only post on Puerto Rican threads? Anyway who are the best italian boxers today? Hmmm, nope, aint any, sorry biatch.

P.S. I know your using another username, come out with it

My internet slaker :rolleyes: , how come you only post on Puerto Rican threads? Anyway who are the best italian boxers today? Hmmm, nope, aint any, sorry biatch.



The only undefeated heavyweight champion of all time Rocky Marciano!!! The Alpha and the Omega!!

My internet shalker :rolleyes: , how come you only post on Puerto Rican threads? Anyway who are the best italian boxers today? Hmmm, nope, aint any, sorry biatch.
today
maybe arturo gatti

in the past

Marciano, Graziano, Basilio, LaMotta, etc

The only undefeated heavyweight champion of all time Rocky Marciano!!! The Alpha and the Omega!!
What?60 years ago dude, welcome to the 21 century...

What?60 years ago dude, welcome to the 21 century...



Greatness endures forever!! Numbers don't lie.. Marciano is the greatest heavyweight of all time!!

Damn! Thanx for the info, I knew that Hearns was from the Motor City, but I didn't knew bout Joe Louis and SRR; That's very impressive.
there's lot more fighters from there

lots but those are the greatest from there
what a coincidence, the 2 BEST fighters of all time(in my opinion)both came from the same gym, and the best trainer(my opinion)Emanuel Steward came from that gym to.
Brewsters gym

Whos biased :confused: ?


thats not being biased that was a fact. You say you have better boxers, but you dont have anyone better than any of those guys from the past.

thats not being biased that was a fact. You say you have better boxers, but you dont have anyone better than any of those guys from the past.
If that is not biased, than what is :confused:? We allready gone threw this in the Mexico vs. Puerto Rico thread, why dont you bump it back up, to discuss it their, since you cant argue with the facts in this thread proving we are better fighters.

My god man. are you serious?PR has better fighters huh oh ok.
Who do have better than Chavez, Sanchez or Lopez? thats right NOBODY and to say you do just shows how biased you are.

If that is not biased, than what is :confused:? We allready gone threw this in the Mexico vs. Puerto Rico thread, why dont you bump it back up, to discuss it their, since you cant argue with the facts in this thread proving we are better fighters.

are you slow? no im dead serious here are you?


Thats not called being biased its called telling the truth. You keep *****ing about how much better you guys are, but when I ask you who you have ever had be better than our best you cant name anyone.

what the hell kind oif logic is that?

Would you like a run down of top PR and Mexican fighters today?

PR
Felix Trinidad
John Ruiz
Daniel Santos
Miguel Cotto
Ivan Calderon
Kermit Cintron


Mexico
Erik Morales
MAB
Jose Luis Castillo
DLH
Anotonio Margarito
Juan Diaz
JM Marquez
Oscar Larios
Rafeal Marquez
Ivan Hernandez
Jorge Arce


Now out of all these guys Castillo(135),R Maqruez(118), MAB(130), Larios(122), Hernandez(115) and Arce(108) are all considered to be the very best in the there division.

PR Ivan Calderon is considered to be the best in his division(105) thats it!!.

Now you tell me what list of todays best looks better? since you couldn't match the list from the past can you match this one?

PR
Felix Trinidad- Soon to be P4P #1
John Ruiz- First Spanish Heaveyweight Champion
Daniel Santos- Beat Margarito 2 times
Miguel Cotto- Future star
Ivan Calderon- Best in divison
Kermit Cintron- Soon to beat Margarito

Mexico
Erik Morales-Lost to Barrera 3 times, soon to Pacman
MAB- Soon fighting an unknown on PPV, good tho
Jose Luis Castillo-Overated, Casamayor dominated him
DLH-Lost to Sturm
Anotonio Margarito-Lost to Santos
Juan Diaz-Baby bore, 100 connect punches that do nothing!
JM Marquez-Draw with Pacman?
Oscar Larios- Who?
Rafeal Marquez-Good prospect
Ivan Hernandez-Who?
Jorge Arce-Who?

I see you changed for the top ten list to the current fighters, thats kool Jose, what a super great list Mexicans have, Wow!! :rolleyes:

Where's Ferocious Fernado fool. He dropped your boy on his ass first time i seen him scared he then hit vargas in the balls 3rd round then agian the 4th to save himself...

flame on :D

a lot of the Mexicans mentioned shouldnt even been mentioned.
NOt the damn speedy gonzales and george lopez of the sport

You are pissing me off.

Watch what you say about Mexico, and Mexicans.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.. I WatchBoxing is by far the biggest ***** that this forum has ever seen.. If I saw him I'd pull a PR Flag out of his hand and throw it on the ground like BHop... Then I'd raise my Italian flag over my head and show him what a hard-working, classy culture is all about. How many Italians do you know that collect welfare?Did your girl get boned by a Puerto Rican and leave you for him? Because I sense some jealousy and fear.

PR
Felix Trinidad- Soon to be P4P #1
John Ruiz- First Spanish Heaveyweight Champion
Daniel Santos- Beat Margarito 2 times
Miguel Cotto- Future star
Ivan Calderon- Best in divison
Kermit Cintron- Soon to beat Margarito

Mexico
Erik Morales-Lost to Barrera 3 times, soon to Pacman
MAB- Soon fighting an unknown on PPV, good tho
Jose Luis Castillo-Overated, Casamayor dominated him
DLH-Lost to Sturm
Anotonio Margarito-Lost to Santos
Juan Diaz-Baby bore, 100 connect punches that do nothing!
JM Marquez-Draw with Pacman?
Oscar Larios- Who?
Rafeal Marquez-Good prospect
Ivan Hernandez-Who?
Jorge Arce-Who?

I see you changed for the top ten list to the current fighters, thats kool Jose, what a super great list Mexicans have, Wow!! :rolleyes:

God your turning into a joke.

Switched from all time to now? you cant match EITHER list and your weak attempts to try only make you look foolish. Like I said a million times who do you have better than Chavez, Lopez or Sanchez? if you want to talk all time.

The level of contraditions in that post were simply amazing. Im mean that, really.

You claim that Morales lost 3 times to MAB, Margarito lost to Santos, DLH lost to Sturm, JM Marquez drew with Pac. obviously you found the desicions of those fights to be wrong, but yet make no mention of Tito getting a gift over DLH, Santos getting a gift over Margito or Ruiz getting a gift over Holyfield in the 3rd fight. Why is that?

How you even managed to sit there thinking your making a valid point and type that with a straight face is beyond me.

Did you just call Rafeal Marquez a "Good Prospect"? Marquez passed the Prospect label years ago considering he is a dominate champion and a p4p top 10 fighter.

Cassamayor "dominated" Castillo? are you kidding me?

I love how for Ivan Claderon you wrote "best in the division, but failed to reconize Castillo, Larios, Marquez, Arce, Hernandez, MAB as the best in there division, funny how that works huh.


since we want to pick apart peoples list.
Felix Trinidad- Wasn't even competative against the two best fighters he fought. When faced with a loss he chose to leave the sport entirely
John Ruiz- Do I even have to knock John Ruiz? I mean come on the guy lost to a blown up middleweight. His best punch is his sweaty man hug.
Daniel Santos- Outweighted Margairto by 20lbs and still got his ass whooped in his hometown
Miguel Cotto- Almost got KO'ed by a crosss dresser
Ivan Calderon- Cant kncok him he's good
Kermit Cintron- Nice looking prospect who works hard.

Hey Im on welfare..... wtf ***** you got a problem with that...

Wilfred "El Radar" Benitez www.wilfredbenitez.com
He lost his second defense match for the 147-pound division title by knockout in the 15th round to Olympic gold medal winner "Sugar" Ray Leonard on November 30, 1979 in Las Vegas, NV. On May 23, 1981 he knocked out Maurice Hope in 12 rounds in Las Vegas, NV to win the WBC title. He became the first Spanish-speaking boxer to win (3) world titles in three different weight classes. He defended the same title against Roberto "Mano de Piedra" in a fight known as " War of Pride" on January 30, 1982. Benitez put on another elegant display of skill and defeated Panamanian Roberto Duran in a title match. Later Duran refused to entertain the notion of rematch with Benitez.On December 3, 1982 he lost by decision in 15 rounds in a bout for the super welterweight title against Thomas "Hit-Man" Hearns, a hotly disputed match that showed that when it came to dodging punches, Benitez stood alone.
3 All-Time greats while moving up, beat one last 15 RD's with two.
Now list Chavez's thing.

What a joke. Just stop already. Are trying to argue that Wilfred Benitez is greater than Julio Cesar Chavez?

Benitez LOST to Ray Leonard and LOST to Tommy Hearns. His biggest acomplishment was beating an old Duran.

Julio Cesar Chavez
World Titles:
WBC Super Featherweight(1884-1987)
WBA Lightweight(1987-1989)
WBC Lightweight(1988-1989)
WBC Super Lightweight(1989-1994)
WBC Super Lightweight(1994-1996)
IBF Junior Weltwerweight(1990-1991)

87-0 before someone beat him(Yes im counting Whitaker as a loss)

What a joke. Just stop already. Are trying to argue that Wilfred Benitez is greater than Julio Cesar Chavez?

Benitez LOST to Ray Leonard and LOST to Tommy Hearns. His biggest acomplishment was beating an old Duran.

Julio Cesar Chavez
World Titles:
WBC Super Featherweight(1884-1987)
WBA Lightweight(1987-1989)
WBC Lightweight(1988-1989)
WBC Super Lightweight(1989-1994)
WBC Super Lightweight(1994-1996)
IBF Junior Weltwerweight(1990-1991)

87-0 before someone beat him(Yes im counting Whitaker as a loss)Man Jose, your a wreck, Benitz became the youngest Champion, went 15 rounds with Leonard, 15 rounds with Hearns(hotly disputed descion), first hispanic to win in three weight classes, beat a Duran, who lost to Leonard just one year pirror, and you cant even name the great fighters Chavez faced, cause a ref stoped the fight so he can win just 5 secounds from it being over, thats sad if hes your best, imange people didnt even know who he was till he started losing.

wow haha..

Man Jose, your a wreck, Benitz became the youngest Champion, went 15 rounds with Leonard, 15 rounds with Hearns(hotly disputed descion), first hispanic to win in three weight classes, beat a Duran, who lost to Leonard just one year pirror, and you cant even name the great fighters Chavez faced, cause a ref stoped the fight so he can win just 5 secounds from it being over, thats sad if hes your best, imange people didnt even know who he was till he started losing.


Wow. Just keeps getting better dont it people.

Yes he went 15 rounds with Leonard and LOST, Yes he went 15 rounds with Hears and LOST.

If you knew anything about boxiing you would know Duran was at his beast years earlier at Lightweight and wouldn't be trying to brag about a win over Duran that happend at 154lbs

Did you just say people didn't know who Chavez was untill he started losing?

I cant name someone who Chavez beat that was worth anything? Oh...hows about Edwin Rosario? who you just put on your all time great Puerto Rican list dumbass.

Wow. Just keeps getting better dont it people.

Yes he went 15 rounds with Leonard and LOST, Yes he went 15 rounds with Hears and LOST.

If you knew anything about boxiing you would know Duran was at his beast years earlier at Lightweight and wouldn't be trying to brag about a win over Duran that happend at 154lbs

Did you just say people didn't know who Chavez was untill he started losing?

I cant name someone who Chavez beat that was worth anything? Oh...hows about Edwin Rosario? who you just put on your all time great Puerto Rican list dumbass.Hahaha, another PR beat Duran at lightweight, Chavez doesnt hold up, and Duran only lost to leonard moving up, how is that sucking?

Hahaha, another PR beat Duran at lightweight, Chavez doesnt hold up, and Duran only lost to leonard moving up, how is that sucking?


*sighs*

How does he "not hold up".

Drinking and staying out all night beat Duran, Please tell me what Duran did to DeJesus in there next two fights? Do you think DeJesus was on the same level as Duran?

*sighs*

How does he "not hold up".

Drinking and staying out all night beat Duran, Please tell me what Duran did to DeJesus in there next two fights? Do you think DeJesus was on the same level as Duran?
The bolded is an excuse, Chavez is a great, but doesnt have an impressive record like benitez has, he has beaten an all time great, held his own with one, and it can be disputed that he won against Hearns, Chavez did alot but his big names are Taylor(who beat him the first time), and Edwin Rosario which isnt nothing put next to the fabulous four, Dejesus isnt on Durans level, he just beat him once, but that shows he was good enough for three fights with the legenardy Duran, fighters are only as good as the fighters they fight against, if you fight noone, you cant get cerdit for anything, plus Benitez did things for the first time ever which adds to his record.

LOL this is hilarious, Just forget it Jose let him think what he wants. Its obvious he dont listen to any kind of reason.

MEXICAN CHAMPS, PUERTO RICAN CHAMPS


Nice work! + karma

The bolded is an excuse, Chavez is a great, but doesnt have an impressive record like benitez has, he has beaten an all time great, held his own with one, and it can be disputed that he won against Hearns, Chavez did alot but his big names are Taylor(who beat him the first time), and Edwin Rosario which isnt nothing put next to the fabulous four, Dejesus isnt on Durans level, he just beat him once, but that shows he was good enough for three fights with the legenardy Duran, fighters are only as good as the fighters they fight against, if you fight noone, you cant get cerdit for anything, plus Benitez did things for the first time ever which adds to his record.


Do you actually beleive the bull**** you post?

Thats not an excuse dumbass its the truth. You seem to have a hard time grasping that concept. Duran DID NOT train for that fight, however he did for the next two and dished out two of the most savage ass whoopins every captured on film showing that they were nowhere near being in the same league.

Chavez doesn't have as impressive a record as Benitez!?!?!?! Im not even playing with you when I tell you your making yourself sound like a jackass.

Your braging about a win over Duran at 154? What dont you get about Duran being an old man by then? I mean im just wondering.

LOL this is hilarious, Just forget it Jose let him think what he wants. Its obvious he dont listen to any kind of reason.


Im not even kidding the guy is flat out laughable. He's trying to argue that a guy who's best fights are losses is better than Chavez.

I also love how he talks up Edwin Rosario as being an all time great and now all of a sudden he's a peice of ****.

Im not even kidding the guy is flat out laughable. He's trying to argue that a guy who's best fights are losses is better than Chavez.

I also love how he talks up Edwin Rosario as being an all time great and now all of a sudden he's a peice of ****.


IWatchBoxing is a joke!! He is biased, a racist, and a bigot.. If he took Tito's nuts out of his mouth for a moment he'd understand that both culturally, and from a boxing perspective Mexicans are far superior to Puerto Ricans.. and I'm not even Mexican.. Morals, values, work ethic, value of family Puerto Ricans can't even come close to Mexicans.. Please save the racist comments Tito nuthuggers I'll be happy to provide some Puerto Rican welfare stats

coughbumpcough

:D

The bolded is an excuse, Chavez is a great, but doesnt have an impressive record like benitez has, he has beaten an all time great, held his own with one, and it can be disputed that he won against Hearns, Chavez did alot but his big names are Taylor(who beat him the first time), and Edwin Rosario which isnt nothing put next to the fabulous four, Dejesus isnt on Durans level, he just beat him once, but that shows he was good enough for three fights with the legenardy Duran, fighters are only as good as the fighters they fight against, if you fight noone, you cant get cerdit for anything, plus Benitez did things for the first time ever which adds to his record.

Funny, Chavez beat on a "bunch of nobodies", yet he managed to beat 3 of PR all-time best in Rosario, Camacho and Laporte.

Iwatchboxing is just a joke. Dude, you don't know the first thing about boxing. And the fact that you say Benitez's accomplishments are greater than Chavez's is downright stupid. Laughable.

We allready compared our top ten lists, and naturaly Puerto Ricos was better

Oh really? Dude you don't know what the **** you're talking about. PR's top ten list is good, but it has nothing on Mexico's. I had previously said that they were pretty even, but that was out of respect for the Puerto Ricans here who are respectful and give props where props are due.

You're just a kid who has been "watching boxing" for 6 or 7 months, and nothing more.

what is PR's and MExico's top 10 all time list, as neutral observer id liek to see who i think has an edge

what is PR's and MExico's top 10 all time list, as neutral observer id liek to see who i think has an edge

Imo:

1. Sanchez
2. JC Chavez
3. Finito Lopez
4. Carlos Zarate
5. Oscar de la Hoya
6. Marco Antonio Barrera
6a. Eric Morales
8. Rubén Olivares
9. Miguel Canto
10(t). Lupe Pintor, Alfonso Zamora, Chiquita Gonzalez

"Mantequilla" Nápoles was Cuban by the way

Imo:

1. Sanchez
2. JC Chavez
3. Finito Lopez
4. Carlos Zarate
5. Oscar de la Hoya
6. Marco Antonio Barrera
6a. Eric Morales
8. Rubén Olivares
9. Miguel Canto
10(t). Lupe Pintor, Alfonso Zamora, Chiquita Gonzalez

"Mantequilla" Nápoles was Cuban by the way


well what about PR's list lol?

well what about PR's list lol?

Should be something like this. Ricans should have a better list though:

1. Wilfredo Gomez
2. Tito
3. Carlos Ortiz
4. Wilfred Benitez
5. Hector Camacho
6. Esteban de Jesus
7. Edwin Rosario
8. John Ruiz
9. Chegui Torres
10. Juan LaPorte

Should be something like this. Ricans should have a better list though:
1. Wilfredo Gomez
2. Tito
3. Carlos Ortiz
4. Wilfred Benitez
5. Hector Camacho
6. Esteban de Jesus
7. Edwin Rosario
8. John Ruiz
9. Chegui Torres
10. Juan LaPorteThe real list:
Wilfredo "El Radar" Benitez (53-8-1, 31 KO's)
Felix "Tito" Trinidad (42-1, 35 KO's)
Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez (44-3-1, 42 KO's)
Carlos Ortiz (60-7-1, 29 KO's)
Edwin "El Chappo" Rosario (47 -6, 41 KO's)
Sammy "El Torbellino" Serrano (52-4-1, 17 KO's)
Jose "Chegui" Torres (41-3-1, 29 KO's)
Estaban De Jesus (57-5, 32 KO's)
John John Molina (52-7, 33 KO's)
Wilfredo "Pride of Puerto Rico" Vazquez (56-9-2, 41 KO's)

The real list:
Wilfredo "El Radar" Benitez (53-8-1, 31 KO's)
Felix "Tito" Trinidad (42-1, 35 KO's)
Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez (44-3-1, 42 KO's)
Carlos Ortiz (60-7-1, 29 KO's)
Edwin "El Chappo" Rosario (47 -6, 41 KO's)
Sammy "El Torbellino" Serrano (52-4-1, 17 KO's)
Jose "Chegui" Torres (41-3-1, 29 KO's)
Estaban De Jesus (57-5, 32 KO's)
John John Molina (52-7, 33 KO's)
Wilfredo "Pride of Puerto Rico" Vazquez (56-9-2, 41 KO's)

Your putting Benitez (and Tito) ahead of Gomez tells us everything we need to know about your total lack of boxing knowledge.

LOL funniest thread. Show me a Puerto Rican who's gonna pick Mexico and a Mexican who will pick Puerto Rico. lmao

Your putting Benitez (and Tito) ahead of Gomez tells us everything we need to know about your total lack of boxing knowledge.
Gomez isnt our #1, hes #3, get over it, you only want him at #1 cause you consider Sanchez your #1 and he beat him after he moved up in weight, here :bottle: , your #1 is #1, for beating our #3, only thing wrong with the times list is Cotto I would think :rolleyes: .
http://www.boxingtimes.com/specials/2005/top15pr_boxers.html

Gomez isnt our #1, hes #3, get over it, you only want him at #1 cause you consider Sanchez your #1 and he beat him after he moved up in weight, here :bottle: , your #1 is #1, for beating our #3, only thing wrong with the times list is Cotto I would think :rolleyes: .
http://www.boxingtimes.com/specials/2005/top15pr_boxers.html


Gomez is your #1 you dumb ****.

and Sal Sachez is not great because of 1 win. The guy also beat Azumah Nelson, Juan LaPorte and Little Red Lopez2x.

Gomez isnt our #1, hes #3, get over it, you only want him at #1 cause you consider Sanchez your #1 and he beat him after he moved up in weight, here :bottle: , your #1 is #1, for beating our #3, only thing wrong with the times list is Cotto I would think :rolleyes: .
http://www.boxingtimes.com/specials/2005/top15pr_boxers.html

OK dude, listen to me very carefully: Benitez had the talent to be the best, actually he had the talent to be one of the best p4p to ever live. But fact is, he never realized that talent. Fact is, his best accomplishment was to beat a natural lightweight at light middle in Roberto Duran. His other accomplishments were going the distance with Leonard and Hearns, both of whom beat him. Not only is Benitez NOT your all-time best, he doesn't even crack your top 3. Try and get over it.

Gomez was the best 122 pounder there ever was, hands down. Even demolished Mexican greats Carlos Zarate and Lupe Pintor, 4th and 10th on my list. He was a solid title holder at 126 and, to a much lesser extent, at 130. Gomez is head and shoulders above all other Puerto Rican fighters. I tell you again, it's not even close.

OK dude, listen to me very carefully: Benitez had the talent to be the best, actually he had the talent to be one of the best p4p to ever live. But fact is, he never realized that talent. Fact is, his best accomplishment was to beat a natural lightweight at light middle in Roberto Duran. His other accomplishments were going the distance with Leonard and Hearns, both of whom beat him. Not only is Benitez NOT your all-time best, he doesn't even crack your top 3. Try and get over it.
Gomez was the best 122 pounder there ever was, hands down. Even demolished Mexican greats Carlos Zarate and Lupe Pintor, 4th and 10th on my list. He was a solid title holder at 126 and, to a much lesser extent, at 130. Gomez is head and shoulders above all other Puerto Rican fighters. I tell you again, it's not even close.So lasting 15 RD's with two top five All- Time greats is nothing?And beating another top five All- Time Great, whos an all- time great for moving up in weight in the first place, is nothing?Plus we talking about heavier weights, where the biggest/best fighters are, oh and it can be argued he beat Hearns. if anything, Benitez is a top five all-time great too.

So lasting 15 RD's with two top five All- Time greats is nothing?And beating another top five All- Time Great, whos an all- time great for moving up in weight in the first place, is nothing?Plus we talking about heavier weights, where the biggest/best fighters are, oh and it can be argued he beat Hearns.


Shut up, Stop spewing bull****, Sit back and learn something from people who know more about this sport than you. Just because you read something on WilfredBenitez.com doesn't make it true.

No lasting 15 rounds doesn't mean **** if you LOSE. I dont get how you see he is so great because he LOST these fights?

What dont you get about Duran being an old man at 154? I mean seriously what dont you get, tell me what you dont get and I will explain to you. Everyone who knows anything about this sport knows Duran was at his best years earlier at 135.

Oh because he weighted more that means he's better? So are you gonna try and tell me John Ruiz is better than guys like Rafeal Marquez, Manny Pac or Kostya Tszyu. After all he is fighter at a heavier weight and thats where the better fighters are.

So lasting 15 RD's with two top five All- Time greats is nothing?And beating another top five All- Time Great, whos an all- time great for moving up in weight in the first place, is nothing?Plus we talking about heavier weights, where the biggest/best fighters are, oh and it can be argued he beat Hearns. if anything, Benitez is a top five all-time great too.

I don't know what kind of top five all-time greats would have SRL and Hearns on it, but oh well. Anyway dude, you're talking about LOSSES. Yes, he went the distance. But he ****ing LOST. Take a look at what Gomez did. A real hard look. Then come to me and say Benitez was better.

And Benitez is a top five all-time great? And you say this based on two LOSSES? Are you retarded?

Shut up, Stop spewing bull****, Sit back and learn something from people who know more about this sport than you. Just because you read something on WilfredBenitez.com doesn't make it true.No lasting 15 rounds doesn't mean **** if you LOSE. I dont get how you see he is so great because he LOST these fights?Oh because he weighted more that means he's better? So are you gonna try and tell me John Ruiz is better than guys like Rafeal Marquez, Manny Pac or Kostya Tszyu. After all he is fighter at a heavier weight and thats where the better fighters are.
Duran wasnt old, it was just his 3rd lost behind Leonard, stop writing so much, and take some chill pills before your airhead explodes, plus I understand you see nothing heroic in losing since your all time great is a fighter who fought 100 and something bums to build a record, what would you know about fighting the best, to be the best, and Ruiz can kick all their asses weather or not being better, at heavier weights, the more power, damage you get, thats why Mexicans are so care free when they fight.

Duran wasnt old, it was just his 3rd lost behind Leonard, stop writing so much, and take some chill pills before your airhead explodes, plus I understand you see nothing heroic in losing since your all time great is a fighter who fought 100 and something bums to build a record.

No no. You know who else is an all-time great? A guy by the name of Murray Sutherland. OK so he never won a title and actually his record was pretty ****ty, but you know what? He also went the distance with Tommy Hearns. I mean, maybe he doesn't crack the top 5, but he MUST be a top 10 all-time, hands down.

Duran wasnt old, it was just his 3rd lost behind Leonard.


My God, you really are slow. What part of "Duran was fighting 20 pounds above his prime weight" are you not understanding? Because it's pretty easy, really. I mean you don't even need to know too much about boxing, or about anything, for that matter. It's a simple concept: Duran was a natural LIGHTWEIGHT. Benitez beat him at JUNIOR MIDDLE. Maybe if I capitalize it'll help you understand a little better?

My God, you really are slow. What part of "Duran was fighting 20 pounds above his prime weight" are you not understanding? Because it's pretty easy, really. I mean you don't even need to know too much about boxing, or about anything, for that matter. It's a simple concept: Duran was a natural LIGHTWEIGHT. Benitez beat him at JUNIOR MIDDLE. Maybe if I capitalize it'll help you understand a little better?
So, what does that have to do with him being old? Leonard gets cerdit, so does Benitez, and Benitez was moving up in weight too when Hearns beat him(or lost!), and isn't Duran so great cause he moved up in weight?

So, what does that have to do with him being old? Leonard gets cerdit, so does Benitez, and Benitez was moving up in weight too when Hearns beat him(or lost!), and isn't Duran so great cause he moved up in weight?

That is exactly why Duran is widely considered a top 5 p4p ever and above SRL, Hearns and Hagler, even though he lost to all three of them. You see people understand that Duran's prime was 5 - 10 years before and 12 - 20 pounds lighter. You know who does get the most credit out of beating Duran? Esteban de Jesus, who beat a prime Duran at lightweight.

Is that a bit clearer?

That is exactly why Duran is widely considered a top 5 p4p ever and above SRL, Hearns and Hagler, even though he lost to all three of them. You see people understand that Duran's prime was 5 - 10 years before and 12 - 20 pounds lighter. You know who does get the most credit out of beating Duran? Esteban de Jesus, who beat a prime Duran at lightweight.

Is that a bit clearer?
You know what, Leonard and Benitez get cerdit even if you dont approve, you just digging yourself deeper buddy, you cant say he was only prime'd at Lightweight, when other than Jesus he lost to Leonard, and than Benitez, sorry you just cant, he was still winning fights so he was still Duran, you cant claim hes old or not primed after losing, just wait till Trinidad moves up to face Lacy, thats 4 weights, and than he would be considered better than Duran, just imange when he beats Hopkins too.

Clear enough for you

You know what, Leonard and Benitez get cerdit even if you dont approve, you just digging yourself deeper buddy, you cant say he was only prime'd at Lightweight, when other than Jesus he lost to Leonard, and than Benitez, sorry you just cant, he was still winning fights so he was still Duran, you cant claim hes old or not primed after losing, just wait till Trinidad moves up to face Lacy, thats 4 weights, and than he would be considered better than Duran, just imange when he beats Hopkins too.

Clear enough for you

Yeah, it's clear enough for me that you're a stupid **** who doesn't know the first thing about boxing. Fortunately everyone here seems to think the exact same about you.

Trinidad better than Duran when he faces Lacy? That's beyond funny. But hey, maybe you could find 3 or 4 people in the whole world (all in Puerto Rico, of course) who agree with you on this one.

Yeah, it's clear enough for me that you're a stupid **** who doesn't know the first thing about boxing. Fortunately everyone here seems to think the exact same about you.

Trinidad better than Duran when he faces Lacy? That's beyond funny. But hey, maybe you could find 3 or 4 people in the whole world (all in Puerto Rico, of course) who agree with you on this one.
You can be a hater forever, but that wont stop anyone, here get use to sucking on this :bottle:, you and your so called "world" behind you.

The real list:
Wilfredo "El Radar" Benitez (53-8-1, 31 KO's)
Felix "Tito" Trinidad (42-1, 35 KO's)
Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez (44-3-1, 42 KO's)
Carlos Ortiz (60-7-1, 29 KO's)
Edwin "El Chappo" Rosario (47 -6, 41 KO's)
Sammy "El Torbellino" Serrano (52-4-1, 17 KO's)
Jose "Chegui" Torres (41-3-1, 29 KO's)
Estaban De Jesus (57-5, 32 KO's)
John John Molina (52-7, 33 KO's)
Wilfredo "Pride of Puerto Rico" Vazquez (56-9-2, 41 KO's)

the best thing to come out of PR is Tito and J.LO.

maybe cause im 19 but ive never heard of that list of PR's. except Tito whos great, Benitez who ppl say hes great (ive wasnt born when he was around) and Molina who wasnt special at all. And also i didnt know corrales was PR that dude is gay as hell, has anyone heard him talk??

by the way Iwatchboxing what part of Miami your from?

the best thing to come out of PR is Tito and J.LO.

maybe cause im 19 but ive never heard of that list of PR's. except Tito whos great, Benitez who ppl say hes great (ive wasnt born when he was around) and Molina who wasnt special at all. And also i didnt know corrales was PR that dude is gay as hell, has anyone heard him talk??

by the way Iwatchboxing what part of Miami your from?


Mexican women are classier and prettier than Rican chicks too.. JLO doesn't have sh*t on Salma Hayek!!

thats tru Salma looks good also. But i think every Latin Country produces the best women in the world. Dont ya agree?

thats tru Salma looks good also. But i think every Latin Country produces the best women in the world. Dont ya agree?


Definetly bro.. at least when they are younger.. They do have a tendency to put on weight more so than their European and Asian counterparts as they age though.. Still you take the good with the bad.. Latina women can hold grudges and be tempermental, but at the same time they are wonderful women, compassionate, and very loyal..

Definetly bro.. at least when they are younger.. They do have a tendency to put on weight more so than their European and Asian counterparts as they age though.. Still you take the good with the bad.. Latina women can hold grudges and be tempermental, but at the same time they are wonderful women, compassionate, and very loyal..

Why do you hate Puerto Ricans so much? Did you have a problem with a PR?

Why do you hate Puerto Ricans so much? Did you have a problem with a PR?


Dude hate is a big word!! I've only hated a coupled of people in my lifetime!! I'm just havin some fun!! I feel that as far as this forum goes, that Puerto Ricans supporting their' home countries boxers in here are by far the most biased..I won't mention names I think you know who I'm talking about. I'm talking about common sense!! To even suggest that Puerto Rican boxers are on the same level as Mexican fighters as a collective whole is simply a disgrace. To me that is biased.. I won't use the word racist.. That word is thrown around too easily nowadays and diminishes the racism truly suffered by those throughout history. I'm sure Puerto Rico is a beatiful island. Here in NY I live around many Puerto Ricans, and there are many things I don't like.. I don't like how when my ancestors came here from Italy they worked two and three jobs just to make a better life for their family.. They had so much pride and would never even think of taking a government handout. On the streets my relatives never, ever spoke their native language.. as it was seen as disrespectful.. They saved their native tongue for the household.. I'd say at least 4 or 5 Puerto Ricans I grew up with were on welfare and that is a conservative estimate.. The sad thing was they had their health and just didn't want to work....I also lived with many Mexicans and I could only count on one hand those that collected welfare. The difference in pride between the two cultures were night and day.. Go ahead and bash me Puerto Ricans, just bear in mind before you do I live in an area that has the highest concentration of PR's outside of Puerto Rico itself....

Go ahead and bash me Puerto Ricans, just bear in mind before you do I live in an area that has the highest concentration of PR's outside of Puerto Rico itself....
Blah blah blah, this is a boxing forum, go cry somewhere esle biatch, and if you live by so many PR's, why do you shalk us over the internet? Soko = Werido :greddy2:

This thread is not about race. It's about Iwatchboxing not knowing the first thing about the sport he presumes to watch.

Blah blah blah, this is a boxing forum, go cry somewhere esle biatch, and if you live by so many PR's, why do you shalk us over the internet? Soko = Werido :greddy2:


The only time Id cry around a PR is if Fat Joe sat on me.. Fat Joe, JLO , and Hector camacho.. Puerto Ricans finest!! It's bad enough you don't know boxing, you have no class either!!

The only time Id cry around a PR is if Fat Joe sat on me.. Fat Joe, JLO , and Hector camacho.. Puerto Ricans finest!! It's bad enough you don't know boxing, you have no class either!!
Hahaha, somebody check if this guy has another username, I have a feeling hes using two names :cool: , and I have more class than you, cause I dont bang my own mom like you do hillbilly.

Hahaha, somebody check if this guy has another username, I have a feeling hes using two names :cool: , and I have more class than you, cause I dont bang my own mom like you do hillbilly.




Name three Puerto Rican contributions to society.. I'd be happy to name Italian contributions dating back to the Roman Empire. I respect some Puerto ricans , you're not one of them.. You're nothing more than hired help.

Name three Puerto Rican contributions to society.. I'd be happy to name Italian contributions dating back to the Roman Empire. I respect some Puerto ricans , you're not one of them.. You're nothing more than hired help.
You claim to be Italian but you couldnt even name a current Italian boxer, yet in almost every post you make you praise Mexicans and attack PR's for whatever reason is up your ass at the time, and you mean contributions like the Italian mafia? Yes, The Godfather was a good movie, two thumbs up ;) .

Name three Puerto Rican contributions to society.. I'd be happy to name Italian contributions dating back to the Roman Empire. I respect some Puerto ricans , you're not one of them.. You're nothing more than hired help.

Go start a Puerto Rico hate thread in the lounge. You can explain all you want. regardless if anyone responds.

Leave this forum you annoying fruit-topping.

You claim to be Italian but you couldnt even name a current Italian boxer, yet in almost every post you make you praise Mexicans and attack PR's for whatever reason is up your ass at the time, and you mean contributions like the Italian mafia? Yes, Godfather was a good movie, two thumbs up ;) .


You are dillusional.. Gatti may not be the best, but he has done more with his God given ability than any PR fighter.. Camacho could have been an all time great but he was lazy and had no heart.. I am convinced it was a cultural thing.. You still didn't answer my question Tito nuthugger.. The only PR contribution to society I can think of is spray painted schools and buildings in the Bronx.. As for Italians, thank them for our judicial systems, irrigational techniques, and some of the finest architectual and structural design systems known to mankind..I can tell you this.. Any Italian fighter that had his countries flag thrown on the ground would have never allowed himself to get dominated and knocked out like Tito did.. He was embarresed twice by Hopkins and ran back to PR for two years cause he wasnt man enough to demand a REMATCH RIGHT AWAY.

Go start a Puerto Rico hate thread in the lounge. You can explain all you want. regardless if anyone responds.

Leave this forum you annoying fruit-topping.



fUC* OFF... If you want me off here cry to the moderator and get me kicked off.... Than you can continue being an internet tough guy with the word "knives" in your avatar.. What a tool!! I'm still waiting to see if your smart enough to answer the question..

You are dillusional.. Gatti may not be the best, but he has done more with his God given ability than any PR fighter.. Camacho could have been an all time great but he was lazy and had no heart.. I am convinced it was a cultural thing.. You still didn't answer my question Tito nuthugger.. The only PR contribution to society I can think of is spray painted schools and buildings in the Bronx.. As for Italians, thank them for our judicial systems, irrigational techniques, and some of the finest architectual and structural design systems known to mankind..I can tell you this.. Any Italian fighter that had his countries flag thrown on the ground would have never allowed himself to get dominated and knocked out like Tito did.. He was embarresed twice by Hopkins and ran back to PR for two years cause he wasnt man enough to demand a REMATCH RIGHT AWAY.
Here's a whole list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Puerto_Ricans

I'm still waiting to see if your smart enough to answer the question..

Question:

Is Soko a racist Nutsackbreath?

Answer:

Yes

Question:

Is Soko a racist Nutsackbreath?

Answer:

Yes


If thinking that Puerto Ricans are lazy makes me racist then I guess I'm a racist

If thinking that Puerto Ricans are lazy makes me racist then I guess I'm a racist
Hahahaha, hey Soko sounds chinese or like something gay, but anyway, heres the Italian list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italians, now compare it to ours and eat crow *****, you guys dont even have a sports section :D .

If thinking that Puerto Ricans are lazy makes me racist then I guess I'm a racist

Now really, Soko, dude, this is a boxing forum and all your hate comments are just not welcomed here.

One thing is to say Mexican boxers are better than Puerto Ricans, and another one completely different is to be a hater and say all Puerto Ricans are lazy and that kind of stuff.

The postings have gotten a little too personal. The intention was to get more facts about our fighters (Mexicans and Puertoricans). The welfare thing has nothing to do with boxing. What some people are discussing are stereotypes and 1. we can find good and bad for any ethnic group 2. it has nothing to do with the sport. An analysis of the list of champions and their opponents would be worthwhile, like Rogue suggested, thought I do not have the knowledge to do it. Specially with some of the old fighters and some others not so famous. I know you guys have the knowledge so let’s see if someone can make that analysis objectively. I am biased, of course, if it was left to me to decide, Tito would be the boxing god and on the way to be the greatest of all times, but then, I can be refuted. Lets hear from the experts.

You know what, Leonard and Benitez get cerdit even if you dont approve, you just digging yourself deeper buddy, you cant say he was only prime'd at Lightweight, when other than Jesus he lost to Leonard, and than Benitez, sorry you just cant, he was still winning fights so he was still Duran, you cant claim hes old or not primed after losing, just wait till Trinidad moves up to face Lacy, thats 4 weights, and than he would be considered better than Duran, just imange when he beats Hopkins too.
Clear enough for you


Those highlighted lines about Duran and Tito beating Hopkins is all you need to know about this kid's boxing knowledge.

and listen Im sorry, but to say Puerto Ricans have contributed more to the world than Italians is just beyond stupid. Im not even joking you really need to pay attention in history class next time.

Those highlighted lines about Duran and Tito beating Hopkins is all you need to know about this kid's boxing knowledge.

and listen Im sorry, but to say Puerto Ricans have contributed more to the world than Italians is just beyond stupid. Im not even joking you really need to pay attention in history class next time.


LOL!! IWatchBoxing really is a moron.. That list of famous people he posted included JLO and Marc Anthony BBBBBWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!! IWatch*****ing ever hear of the Roman Empire, and Michelangelo.. That's history for you. Also another historical fact is that Ring Magazine described Hopkins-Trinidad as "One of the most lopsided- dominating big fight performances in recent history"!!

i cant beleive you said that Puerto Ricans have contributed more than italians. Italians where people who found this country.

anyways, when people think about Mexicans in sports they think about Boxing, when they think about Brazil they think about soccer, when they think about Puerto Rico they think about Baseball.

I can't believe this thread is still alive...Rick close this mofo..

I can't believe this thread is still alive...Rick close this mofo..
Foreal, I was so glad twice! thinking that it was gonna die out :mad: , if people havent noticed its just me in here anyway, this is so yesterday :D .

Just wanted to make a final point on this thread. First off I’m kinda annoyed at some people for wanting to "delete" the thread. Must be some weak stomachs that can't take a serious post and analyze it. First off IM MEXICAN! I didn't particularly enjoy reading that my Puerto Rican brothers had an edge against "la Raza" in title fights. Yet, rather than cry and get sensitive about it I prefer to make a analytical statement: Even though its a fact that PR leads us in championship fights I think that there are too many variables to make the numbers reflect the ultimate truth. As I stated in an earlier post, I strongly believe that the level of MEXICAN opponents for the Puerto Rican champs is much less than vice versa. Why? Well simply put it’s a matter of numbers. There are many more Mexican Boxers than there are Puerto Rican fighters. Many Championship bouts that some of the PR Champs had against MEX were against Mexican challengers that were not worthy of title fights and relative unknowns. I stated this before, and I verified it on BOXREC.com but Moonra countered that Chavez's record should be tainted because of fighting taxi drivers. YES IT IS TRUE, Chavez did REALLY fight Taxi Drivers, but not in championship bouts. Only Dwight Pratchett was IMO an unworthy challenger to JC Superstar's title, but even that fight was very early in JC's title reign.


In parting, I would like to say to those who suggested that this thread be erased.....if the intended purpose of the thread seems to be going wayward, make a post to try and get it back on track...otherwise don't post against the thread if it's a well written and a good intentioned one!! There was obviously a lot of research done to post this thread, so I know this wasn't intended to be a flame thread!

Give one additional point to Mex Martin Castillo clearly defeated Eric "manitas de acero" Morel to win the WBA title. 41-36-1-1

The record now is 41-37-1-1 in Puerto Rico vs Mexico in Title Fights after Margarito killed the killer Cintron. Next is Dieppa vs Cazares.

Yes sir, the scales are tilting the right way... LOL! Good job, keep it up.

I think its a great rivalry..Mexican and Puerto Ricans own the lower weight classes. I must say its amazing how such a small Island can rival such a huge country. I love it I think its great for boxing. I must say that p4p Puerto Rico has the edge as far as producing champions comparing it to the US and Mexico and the world for that matter. Look at the map PR is tiny and yet can produce so many great fighters.

It's been a tuff ride for Puertorrican fighters lately. Nelson Dieppa lost to Cazares so the record now is 41-38-1-1. Good for you Rogue, but soon.....

The new list is as follows;


MEXICAN CHAMPS
JULIO CESAR GONZALEZ : O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Oscar de La Hoya: O.MB
vs Trinidad Lost WBC, IBF
Vs Wilfredo Rivera Won WBC
Vs Macho Camancho Won WBC
Vs John John Molina won WBO

Alejandro ' Terra ' Garcia
not found

Guadalupe Aquino C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Raúl'Diamante" Márquez F.I.B No
No T/F vs PR

Luis Ramon ' yoriboy ' Campas F.I.B
vs Daniel Santos Lost WBO

José A. "Mantequilla" Nápoles:
No T/F vs PR

Carlos Palomino C.M.B
Vs Wilfredo Benitez Lost WBC

Pipino Cuevas González A.M.B
Vs Angel Espada Won WBA X 3

Jorge Vaca C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Genaro León O.M.B
Vs Danny Garcia Won WBO

José Luis "Maestrito" López O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Antonio Margarito Montiel O.M.B
Vs Daniel Santos Lost WBO
Vs Daniel Santos NC WBO 1 round cuts
Vs Kermit Cintron Won TKO 5

José "Battling Shaw" Pérez*
Not Found

René Arredondo C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Julio César Chávez C.M.B, F.I.B
Vs EL Macho Camacho Won WBC
Vs Angel Hernandez Won WBC
Vs Sammy Fuentes Won WBC
Vs Edwin Rosario Won WBA
Va Juan Laporte Won WBC

Carlos "Bolillo" González O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan Zurita N.B.A
No T/F vs PR

Lauro "Tigre" Salas N.B.A
No T/F vs PR

Erubey "Chango" Carmona C.M.B
No T/F (record under chango)

Rodolfo "Gato" González C.M.B
No T/F

José Luis Ramírez C.M.B, A.M.B
Vs El Macho Camacho Lost WBC
Vs Edwin Rosario Won WBC Fight of the year
Vs Edwin Rosario Lost WBC

César ' huesitos 'Bazán C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Mauricio Aceves O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Miguel Angel González C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Rafael Ruelas F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

José Luis Castillo C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Javier " Chatito " Jauregui F.I.B
No T/F Against PR

Julio ' The Kid " Diaz F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan " the bull " Diaz
Found one named the baby bull but not mexican

Ricardo Arredondo C.M.B
No T/F Against PR

Rafael "Bazooka" Limón C.M.B
Vs Hector Camacho Lost WBC

Gabriel Ruelas C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Antonio ' monito 'Hernandez A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Jesus ' matador 'Chavez C.M.B
Vs Carlos El Topo Gerena Won WBC

Marco Antonio Barrerra
Vs Orlando Fernandez Won WBO
Vs Daniel La Cobra Jimenez Won WBO

Vicente 'zurdo de oro' Saldivar C.M.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Clemente Sánchez C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Rubén "Púas" Olivares C.M.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Salvador Sánchez C.M.B
Vs Wilfredo Gomez Won WBC
Vs Juan LaPorte Won WBC

Jorge "Maromero" Páez F.I.B, O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Marcos Villasana C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Manuel ' Mantecas ' Medina C.M.B,F.I.B,O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Gregorio 'Goyo ' Vargas C.M.B
Vs Juan Molina Lost IBF

Alejandro "Cobrita" González C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Ultiminio'sugar ' Ramos C.M.B,A.M.B
Not Found

Gustavo "Guty" Espadas Jr. C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan Manuel Márquez F.I.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Alberto 'baby ' Arizmendi **
No T/F vs PR

Hector ' papi ' Lizarraga F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Cesar ' cobrita ' Soto C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan "Kid" Meza C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan José "Dinamita" Estrada
No T/F vs PR

Enrique Sánchez A.M.B
Vs Rafael Del Valle Won WBA

Néstor "Tigre" Garza A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Óscar " Chololo "Larios C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Israel ' Magnifico " Vasquez F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Raúl "Ratón" Macias N.B.A
No T/F vs PR

José Becerra N.B.A
No T/F vs PR

Rubén "Púas" Olivares C.M.B, A.M.B


Jesús Castillo C.M.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Rafael Herrera C.M.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Romero "Lacandón" Anaya
No T/F vs PR

Rodolfo Martínez C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Víctor Rabanales C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Alfonso Zamora A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Carlos "Cañas" Zárate C.M.B
Vs Wilfredo Gomez Lost WBC
Vs Andres Hernandez Won WBC

Guadalupe "Grillo" Pintor C.M.B
Vs Wilfredo Gomez Lost WBC

Raúl "Jibaro" Pérez
Vs Wilfredo Vazquez Lost WBA
Vs Wilfredo Vazquez Won 10 rounds Nontitle

Daniel Zaragoza C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Cruz Carbajal O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Rafael Márquez F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Julio " la sombra " Zarate A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Gilberto Román C.M.B
Vs Juan Carazo Won WBC

Julio César "Navajo" Borboa F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

José Luis Bueno C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

José "Gallito" Quirino O.M.B
Vs Jose Ruiz Won WBO

Diego "Pelucho" Morales O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Fernando Montiel O.M.B
Vs Jose Carita Lopez Won WBO

Martin " el gallito " Castillo A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Ivan " el choko " Hernandez
No T/F vs PR

Efrén "Alacrán" Torres C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Miguel Canto C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Gustavo "Guty" Espadas
No T/F vs PR

Antonio Avelar
No T/F vs PR

Juan Herrera A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Gabriel Bernal C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Isidro Pérez O.M.B
vs Angel Rosario Won WBO
Vs Jose De Jesus Lost WBO

Rubén Sánchez León O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Freddy Castillo
No T/F vs PR

Alberto Jiménez O.M.B
Vs Jose Lopez Won WBO

Isidro García O.M.B
Vs Eric Morel Lost WBA
Vs Eric Morel Lost WBA
Vs Jose Lopez Won WBO

Freddy Castillo
No T/F vs PR

Pedro Flores
No T/F vs PR

Amado Urzua
No T/F vs PR

Guadalupe Madera A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Germán Torres
No T/F vs PR

Humberto "Chiquita" González C.M.B, F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Melchor Cob Castro C.M.B, O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Jesús Chong O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Jorge "Travieso" Arce C.M.B, O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Victor " acorazao " Burgos F.I.B
vs El Nene Sanchez Won IBF

Ricardo "Finito" López F.I.B
Vs El Nene Sanchez Won IBF

Edgar " Tun Tun " Cardenas F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

José Antonio " el jaguar " Aguirre C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Roberto " Mako " Leyva F.I.B
vs Iron Boy Calderon Lost WBO

Isaac " tortas " Bustos
No T/F vs PR

Martin Castillo
Vs Eric Morel Won WBA Super Flyweight

Puertorican Champs

Sixto 'El Gallito' Escobar
Vs Rodolfo Casanova Won WBT

Carlos Ortiz
Vs Battling Torres Won World Welterwight Champsionship

José L. 'Chegui' Torres
No T/F Against Mex

Angel 'Cholo' Espada
Vs Pipino Cuevas Lost WBA
Vs Pipino Cuevas Lost WBA
vs Pipino Cuevas Lost WBA

Alfredo 'El Salsero' Escalera
Vs Sigfredo Rodriguez Won WBC

Wilfredo 'El Radar' Benitez
Vs Carlos Palomino Won WBC

Esteban 'Vita' De Jesus
Vs Vicente Saldivar Won WBC

Samuel 'Torbellino' Serrano
Vs Mario Martinez Won WBA

Wilfredo 'Bazooka' Gomez
Vs Lupe Pintor Won WBC
Vs Roberto Rubaldino Won WBC
Vs Juan Antonio Lopez Won WBC
Vs Juan Meza Won WBC
Vs Salvador Sanchez Lost WBC
Vs Carlos Zarate Won WBC
Vs Juan Antonio Lopez Won WBC
Vs Raul Tirado Won WBC

Julian Solis
No T/F vs Mex

Carlos 'Sugar' De Leon
Vs Alvaro Yaqui Lopez Won WBC

Osvaldo 'Jaws' Ocasio
Not Found

Juan Laporte
Vs Chavez Lost WBC
Vs Salvador Sanchez Lost WBC

Edwin 'Chapo' Rosario
Vs Chavez Lost WBA
Vs Jose Luis Ramirez Lost WBA
Vs Jose Luis Ramirez Won WBA

Hector 'Macho' Camacho
Vs Oscar de la Hoya Lost WBC
Vs Chavez Lost WBC
Vs Jose Luis Ramirez Won WBC
Vs Rafael Limon Won WBC

Mark Medal
No T/F vs Mex

Harry Arroyo
No T/F vs Mex

Victor 'Luvi' Callejas
No T/F vs Mex

Carlos Santos
No T/F vs Mex

Antonio 'Toñito' Rivera
No T/F vs Mex

Wilfredo 'Wi' Vazquez
No T/F vs Mex

Félix Camacho
No T/F vs Mex

Jose 'Cheito' Ruiz
Vs Jose Quirino Lost WBO
Vs Armando Velasco Won WBO

Jose 'Caguitas' De Jesus
Vs Isidro Perez Won WBO
Vs Fernando Martinez Won WBO

Juan 'John, John' Molina
Vs Oscar de la Hoya Lost WBO
Vs Gregorio Vargas Won IBF
Vs Manuel Medina Won IBF

Orlando 'Cholo' Fernandez
Vs Marco A. Barrera Lost WBO

Juan Nazario
No T/F vs Mex

Santos 'Chino' Cardona
No T/F vs Mex

Josue 'Dickie' Camacho
Vs Eddie Vallejo Won WBO

Daniel 'Popeye' Garcia
Vs Genaro Leon Lost WBO

Rafael Del Valle
Vs enrique Sanchez Lost WBA

Daniel 'La Cobra' Jimenez
Vs Marco Antonio Barrera Lost WBO

Felix 'Tito' Trinidad
Vs Fernando Vargas Won WBA IBF
Vs Oscar De La Hoya Won WBC IBF
Vs Luis Ramon Campas Won IBF

Alexander 'El nene' Sanchez
Vs Jose Victor Burgos Lost IBF
Vs Jose Victor Burgos Draw IBF
Vs Ricardo Finito Lopez Lost WBC, WBO
Vs Jose Victor Burgos Won WBO
vs Tomas Rivera Won WBO
vs Rafael Orozco Won WBO
vs Oscar Andrade WBO

Jake ' Snake' Rodriguez
No T/F vs Mex


Samuel 'Mangani' Fuentes
Vs Hector Lopez Won WBO
Vs Fidel Avendano Won WBO
Vs Chavez Lost WBC

Angel Manfredy
No T/F vs Mex

Lou Del Valle
Not Found

Angel 'Changuita' Almena
No T/F vs Mex

Daniel Santos
Vs Antonio Margarito NC WBO
Vs Luis Ramon Campas Won WBO
Vs Antonio Margarito won WBO

Eric 'Manitas de Acero' Morel
Vs Isidro Garcia Won WBA
Vs Isidro Garcia Won WBA
Vs Martin Castillo Lost WBA Super Flyweight


John 'Quiet Men' Ruiz
No T/F vs Mex

Frank Toledo
Vs Manuel Medina Lost IBF
Vs Marco Antonio Barrera Lost WBO

Nelson Dieppa
Vs Ulises Solis Won WBO
Vs Hugo Cazares Lost WBO

Alexander Trujillo
No T/F vs Mex

Angel "La Avispa" Chacon
Vs Erik Morales Lost WBC

Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon
Vs Roberto Carlos Leyva Won WBO
Vs LorenzoTrejo Won WBO

Jose Antonio "El Gallo" Rivera
No T/F vs Mex


Manuel Alejandro Siaca
No T/F vs Mex

Miguel Cotto
No T/F vs Mex

Lately, we have been getting owned by Mexicans. Something has to happen. Cotto and Calderón better face Mexicans soon or Aztecs will take the lead.

who are the PR superstars??? tito corrales cotto(not really but yeah)

Nice research, its great to see that this rivaly isnt going to end soon since it is the best in boxing
Dito.


Maybe someone should look at the P4P list and see who has the better quality fighters.

Ruiz wins, that's all that matters.

The trio of Mexican greats Chavez, Sanchez and Lopez can only be surpassed by the American greats. The only Latino fighter who might be "above" these greats is Panamanian Roberto Duran.

The greatest Puerto Rican fighter of all time is Wilfredo Gomez.

This is coming from somebody who is not Mexican nor Puerto Rican. Peace. ;)

Thats bull we all know Oscar de la Hoya got robbed when he fought Trinidad.Antonio Margarito got robbed when he fought Daniel Santos.Fernando Vargas would have KOd Trinidad but Trinidad being the little ***** that he is started to hit Varges in the balls because that was the only way to avoid getting KOd.Who knows how many more times Mexican fighters were robed when fighting Portoricans.The fact is that if you fight a Portorican in Portorico u r going to get robbed.For example when Corley fought Cotto, Corley had Cotto hurt badly the ref should have stopped the fight but he dindn't but when corley took a knee the ref stopped the fight knowing that Corley was not even hurt. The ref stopped the fight because he feared that Cotto would get KOd in the latter rounds. Then all of the Portorican fans cheard for Cotto even though they knew that Cotto did not deserve the win. Mexicans are way better than Portoricas and have had better champions.

Thats bull we all know Oscar de la Hoya got robbed when he fought Trinidad.Antonio Margarito got robbed when he fought Daniel Santos.Fernando Vargas would have KOd Trinidad but Trinidad being the little ***** that he is started to hit Varges in the balls because that was the only way to avoid getting KOd.Who knows how many more times Mexican fighters were robed when fighting Portoricans.The fact is that if you fight a Portorican in Portorico u r going to get robbed.For example when Corley fought Cotto, Corley had Cotto hurt badly the ref should have stopped the fight but he dindn't but when corley took a knee the ref stopped the fight knowing that Corley was not even hurt. The ref stopped the fight because he feared that Cotto would get KOd in the latter rounds. Then all of the Portorican fans cheard for Cotto even though they knew that Cotto did not deserve the win. Mexicans are way better than Portoricas and have had better champions.Cry baby, cry baby !
Mexicans cheat too, not just Puerto Ricans, and Corley isnt Mexican ! I could bring up Casamayor vs. Castillo, but hes Cuban, I guess Mexicans never lose, only us "Portoricas" :rolleyes: .

i say mexicans because they have harder head and good chins.

The thing that seperates Mexicans from Puertoricans is that Mexicans have heart. A perfect example is Marquez vs Manny Paquiao, Marquez got off the canvas three times in the first round to come back and dominate the rest of the fight.When Trinidad fought Hopkins he had a chance to show the world that Puertoricans had some sort of heart but after getting knocked down by Hopkins he had to look for his daddy to bail him out of the fight and what makes it more sad is that he didn't show any anger or complaints for the stoppage of the fight. Then he retired like the little ***** that he is.Tito is a perfect example of what it means to be a Puertorican fighter.

If mexicans and PRs are such great fighters, how come they never were very good at defending their homeland from foreign invaders?

If mexicans and PRs are such great fighters, how come they never were very good at defending their homeland from foreign invaders?
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

Those are fighting words. :boxing:
Bro if this werent the net and you said that to my face i would beat you down really bad. Then Id ask you why couldnt defend yourself.

The thing that seperates Mexicans from Puertoricans is that Mexicans have heart. A perfect example is Marquez vs Manny Paquiao, Marquez got off the canvas three times in the first round to come back and dominate the rest of the fight.When Trinidad fought Hopkins he had a chance to show the world that Puertoricans had some sort of heart but after getting knocked down by Hopkins he had to look for his daddy to bail him out of the fight and what makes it more sad is that he didn't show any anger or complaints for the stoppage of the fight. Then he retired like the little ***** that he is.Tito is a perfect example of what it means to be a Puertorican fighter.

I never jump on someone else's argument, but your stupidity and ignorance is hard to ignore. What the **** are you talking about saying that only Mexicans have heart? If Puerto Ricans did not have heart, they would not be the classic rivals of Mexicans.
It would not be a rivalry but a Mexican blowout. Then again, you are so biased that you would probably say that every fight that a Boricua won against a Mexican was a fluke or there was some cheating. Trinidad, a *****? You picked the wrong fighter to illustrate with your sorry ass examples. Try to show some respect or at least post something that makes sense.

If you guys realised this

Mexico is probably about the size of 2,000 times puerto rico???

For the ratio of champions

Puerto Rico wins....

For the best fighters against best fighters i'd give it to mexico probably

but if puerto rico was the size of mexico, then damn

The thing that seperates Mexicans from Puertoricans is that Mexicans have heart. A perfect example is Marquez vs Manny Paquiao, Marquez got off the canvas three times in the first round to come back and dominate the rest of the fight.When Trinidad fought Hopkins he had a chance to show the world that Puertoricans had some sort of heart but after getting knocked down by Hopkins he had to look for his daddy to bail him out of the fight and what makes it more sad is that he didn't show any anger or complaints for the stoppage of the fight. Then he retired like the little ***** that he is.Tito is a perfect example of what it means to be a Puertorican fighter.

when did trinidad have a chance to show the world what puerto ricans are made of against hopkins? he was owned that fight. so i don't see your point esse. if you're outclassed, should you ... all of a sudden be mexican and then show the world what you're made of?

peeps ,once again Oscar De La Hoya is not mexican

and I dont think I saw Ricardo Lopez on the list

Oh give me a break. My ancestry was known for disemboweling themselves before dishonor. So you can try impressing someone else with how "hard" you are. These days I'm far more impressed with how tough arabs are as fighters.

Who has the best looking girls?? :D

I'm mexican so I have to say the mexicans but Those PR babes have some nice booties.

I change my mind it's a tie.

As for boxing, Both Mexico and PR have good fighters. It seems like mexico has more good fighters but that's probably because the size of mexico. I repsect both places and just hope they continue to produce good champions. Which they will.

Who has the best looking girls?? :D

I'm mexican so I have to say the mexicans but Those PR babes have some nice booties.

I change my mind it's a tie.

As for boxing, Both Mexico and PR have good fighters. It seems like mexico has more good fighters but that's probably because the size of mexico. I repsect both places and just hope they continue to produce good champions. Which they will.

That is a terrific post coming from a Mexican. Unbiased and showing respect.

Exciterx21 first of all shut the fuk up, u calling Mexicans biased.I don't have a problems with Puertoricans just Tito.I think the media(HBO)tries to make him something he is not. They gave him too much credit for the Mayorga fight when any idiot knew Mayorga had no chance especially after going up all that weight and now he is fighting Winky who is also going to move up weight to fight Tito. Im just curious when is Tito going to fight a legit 160lb middleweight like Kingsle Ikeke, King Salamon, Jermain Taylor or Bernard Hopkins. One more thing Ken Shamrock is one of the UFC's greatest fighters but my boy Tito Ortiz rocked him.Tito Ortiz Team Punishment 4-EVER!

Oh yea! When the **** did I say only Mexicans have heart you dumb *****.

Exciterx21 first of all shut the fuk up, u calling Mexicans biased.I don't have a problems with Puertoricans just Tito.I think the media(HBO)tries to make him something he is not. They gave him too much credit for the Mayorga fight when any idiot knew Mayorga had no chance especially after going up all that weight and now he is fighting Winky who is also going to move up weight to fight Tito. Im just curious when is Tito going to fight a legit 160lb middleweight like Kingsle Ikeke, King Salamon, Jermain Taylor or Bernard Hopkins. One more thing Ken Shamrock is one of the UFC's greatest fighters but my boy Tito Ortiz rocked him.Tito Ortiz Team Punishment 4-EVER!

You were the one typing **** about PR boxers. Did you forget it? Show some more knowledge and respect. That's all you need. Otherwise you should STFU.

Are you mad little boy and have to bring the Shamrock thing up? Sure Ortiz beat a past his prime Shamrock. How about Ortiz getting dominated by Couture and knocked the **** out against Lidell?

Who has the best looking girls?? :D

I'm mexican so I have to say the mexicans but Those PR babes have some nice booties.

I change my mind it's a tie.

As for boxing, Both Mexico and PR have good fighters. It seems like mexico has more good fighters but that's probably because the size of mexico. I repsect both places and just hope they continue to produce good champions. Which they will.
here is one of my fav mexican girls

http://www.dealante.com/documentos/17240.jpg

I think it's been settled that pound for pound (or I should say, square mile per square mile) its Puerto Rico. But the country with the best and most champs is Mexico...and you can't be a Mexican fighter without a ton of heart and a chin made of granite. I think that the US has so many champs b/c with a population of 275 million, you're bound to have a bunch of great champs.

US- 275 Million
Mexico- 105 MIllion
PR- 7 Million (half on the island, half in the US)

Champs (WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO and interims). I am classifying PR and Mexican champs by ethnicity, even if they live in US:

PR has 4 champs? (Santos, Siaca, Calderon, Rivera )
Plus up and comers Cotto, Trinidad is back, and Morel is in limbo.
US has 16 champs
Mexico has 12 champs.

So, PR has a champ for every 1.9 million persons.
Mexico has a champ for every 8.75 million persons.
Americans have a champ for every 17.19 million persons.

That's amazing for a small country but overall Mexico has more boxingchamps and hall of famers.

I think it's been settled that pound for pound (or I should say, square mile per square mile) its Puerto Rico. But the country with the best and most champs is Mexico...and you can't be a Mexican fighter without a ton of heart and a chin made of granite. I think that the US has so many champs b/c with a population of 275 million, you're bound to have a bunch of great champs.

US- 275 Million
Mexico- 105 MIllion
PR- 7 Million (half on the island, half in the US)

Champs (WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO and interims). I am classifying PR and Mexican champs by ethnicity, even if they live in US:

PR has 4 champs? (Santos, Siaca, Calderon, Rivera )
Plus up and comers Cotto, Trinidad is back, and Morel is in limbo.
US has 16 champs
Mexico has 12 champs.

So, PR has a champ for every 1.9 million persons.
Mexico has a champ for every 8.75 million persons.
Americans have a champ for every 17.19 million persons.

That's amazing for a small country but overall Mexico has more boxingchamps and hall of famers.
Nice chups.
How many Mexican and Pr on the top ten P4P list.
I think 5 of 10 p4p are Mexicans.

I wasn't talking **** on PR i'm just saying that Tito is a little ***** and should have continued the fight agains Hopkins especially after Hopkins disrespected every PR by throwing the PR flag on the ground at the press conference.

Why didn't you have a answer to the statement I made obout Tito fighting a legit 160lb middleweight?

As far as Ortiz losing thats how it is in the UFC.You win some and you lose some.

Nice chups.
How many Mexican and Pr on the top ten P4P list.
I think 5 of 10 p4p are Mexicans.
Thats only cause they throw Mexicans on the Pound for Pound lists, Morales was nowhere on it, than he beat Pacman, and magicly appeared at #1 on some peoples list :rolleyes: .

See, that's my only reservation regarding Tito as a middleweight. He's only fought a few and the results were two wins over less than stellar competition and a loss.

After he fights some more contenders there and performs well or at least gives me something to base a decision on ... I'll make one.

Great welterweight though. Good jr middle.

Thats only cause they throw Mexicans on the Pound for Pound lists, Morales was nowhere on it, than he beat Pacman, and magicly appeared at #1 on some peoples list :rolleyes: .
In that case why dont they throw PR in it?
Oh I know why cause they arent even worthy of that.
Morales has been fighting the best for years and he definetly belongs there.
Who did Pacman beat? Other than MAB.And he was up there after just one good fight.

In that case why dont they throw PR in it?
Oh I know why cause they arent even worthy of that.
Morales has been fighting the best for years and he definetly belongs there.
Who did Pacman beat? Other than MAB.And he was up there after just one good fight.
No, cause Mexicans get along with the "powers that be" in boxing, and are treated as royalty, Morales belongs there, just not #1 out of nowhere, Puerto Ricans dont need to be on a fake Pound for Pound list.

No, cause Mexicans get along with the "powers that be" in boxing, and are treated as royalty, Morales belongs there, just not #1 out of nowhere, Puerto Ricans dont need to be on a fake Pound for Pound list.

Fake p4p list????lmao
Allright bro you are acting como que te arde todo culo!!
If they are boxing they need to be somewhere.

Fake p4p list????lmao
Allright bro you are acting como que te arde todo culo!!
If they are boxing they need to be somewhere.Well, there are alot of fighters other than Mexicans who box, and get nowhere, noone but me had James Toney on their Pound for Pound list before the Ruiz fight, or puting on a Mexican hat, but Castillo getting slaped around by Mayweather, and Casamayor could get on.

Well, there are alot of fighters other than Mexicans who box, and get nowhere, noone but me had James Toney on their Pound for Pound list before the Ruiz fight, or puting on a Mexican hat, but Castillo getting slaped around by Mayweather, and Casamayor could get on.
Man everyone know Castillo beat Mayweather the first fight and the second was close.
Casamayor could get the win cause he was running around the ****in ring.
Wait till Castillo ko's Corales and tell me he doesnt belong there.

Man everyone know Castillo beat Mayweather the first fight and the second was close.
Casamayor could get the win cause he was running around the ****in ring.
Wait till Castillo ko's Corales and tell me he doesnt belong there.
I bet you, my Avatar, Corales gonna Flock him up!

I bet you, my Avatar, Corales gonna Flock him up!
Your avatar sucks!

Your avatar sucks!
If Castillo wins, you can put Chavez on it :D , if Corrales wins, than I can have yours?

If Castillo wins, you can put Chavez on it :D , if Corrales wins, than I can have yours?
I dont bet with gays.

I dont bet with gays.
If you are insecure with your sexualty, than ok.... but its sad that you have no faith in your own "superstar P4P'er" country man, to make a small bet online, oh well, I guess somebodys chicken... :( (flaps arms)

See this is why while PRs and Mexicans brag about how tough they are, they've been rolled over throughout history by every foreign power that decided to steal their land, women, and treasure. They're too busy fighting each other than uniting together. Which is just as well for the world powers who keep them weak this way and under their thumb. Too bad they can't see through it...but hey, they may be 3rd world countries still but at least they can box!

Exciterx21 first of all shut the fuk up, u calling Mexicans biased.I don't have a problems with Puertoricans just Tito.I think the media(HBO)tries to make him something he is not. They gave him too much credit for the Mayorga fight when any idiot knew Mayorga had no chance especially after going up all that weight and now he is fighting Winky who is also going to move up weight to fight Tito. Im just curious when is Tito going to fight a legit 160lb middleweight like Kingsle Ikeke, King Salamon, Jermain Taylor or Bernard Hopkins. One more thing Ken Shamrock is one of the UFC's greatest fighters but my boy Tito Ortiz rocked him.Tito Ortiz Team Punishment 4-EVER!

Oh yea! When the **** did I say only Mexicans have heart you dumb *****.

Is this a boxing site or what? P.R. has a WWF champ and in the local restling there an Universal Champ that has been so since I was 10, CArlitos Colon.

See this is why while PRs and Mexicans brag about how tough they are, they've been rolled over throughout history by every foreign power that decided to steal their land, women, and treasure. They're too busy fighting each other than uniting together. Which is just as well for the world powers who keep them weak this way and under their thumb. Too bad they can't see through it...but hey, they may be 3rd world countries still but at least they can box!

I guess I logged today to a politics forum. Is this a boxing forum or what? I think you meant to post this **** in the I Love Fidel Forum you dumb ass.

I guess I logged today to a politics forum. Is this a boxing forum or what? I think you meant to post this **** in the I Love Fidel Forum you dumb ass.

You want a cookie? :bottle:

Is this a boxing site or what? P.R. has a WWF champ and in the local restling there an Universal Champ that has been so since I was 10, CArlitos Colon.


Dude whtf are you talking about.

WWF whtf

This is a boxing forum incase u haven't notice.

Is this a boxing site or what? P.R. has a WWF champ and in the local restling there an Universal Champ that has been so since I was 10, CArlitos Colon.
carlito? haha, lmao

recently mexico is beatin every single PR fighter we met

castillo UD morel
margarito KO5 cintron
and last saturday
cazares UD dieppa

:D

recently mexico is beatin every single PR fighter we met

castillo UD morel
margarito KO5 cintron
and last saturday
cazares UD dieppa

:D

I guess you have not been reading. I keep a historical in this thread about PR vs Mexico fighter. I already updated it to include the three fights that you mentioned. It's coming close and it's looking better for Mexico. Time will tell.

recently mexico is beatin every single PR fighter we met

castillo UD morel
margarito KO5 cintron
and last saturday
cazares UD dieppa

:D
now guys.
i dont care if you are Puerto Rican :Or Mexican
dont take it that personal, mauricio
i dont think you have meet any puerto rican fihgter as of right now
and i dont think moonra has meet any mexican fighter yet.

look how big mexico is....ok, now, look how little P.R. is...by percentage P.R. has produced more champions than mexico... yes that little piece of land. not even the smallest mexican state has produced so many champions, now imagine if P.R. was as big as mexico....... :eek:

no matter what, pr's and mex's should be proud for representing the latinos on boxing and not try to measure who's best dividing themselves knowing that we're the blockbusters of the buissness.



latino pride

those numbers are cool but dont mean **** it like a fighter that is not proven but gets credit then gets knocked out by the first real fight! mexicans have been dominating them for years Sanchez over Gomez and Juan Laporte ,Chavez over Rasorio and Camocho, De la hoya gave trinidad a boxing lession Margarito over Cintron.and one thing that im going to point out wether there fighting a puerto Rican or not mexican fighters have great chins !you monkeys go down.

oh ya and tell cotto to be on the look out castillo is coming

those numbers are cool but dont mean **** it like a fighter that is not proven but gets credit then gets knocked out by the first real fight! mexicans have been dominating them for years Sanchez over Gomez and Juan Laporte ,Chavez over Rasorio and Camocho, De la hoya gave trinidad a boxing lession Margarito over Cintron.and one thing that im going to point out wether there fighting a puerto Rican or not mexican fighters have great chins !you monkeys go down.Now, now hotos calm your p*ssy @sses down. The best P.R. ever in Benitez beat the best half-mexican(or so the mexicans claim) in Duran. I'll tell y'all what man the Cubans got their sh*t down, it's too bad that the real b*d*sses from that little c*mmie country don't get the opportunity. The names Diobelys Hurtado and Joel Casamayor ain't even sh*t compared to some of the Cuban amateur greats. Hands down Wilfred Benitez is the best hispanic fighter of all-time.

Now, now hotos calm your p*ssy @sses down. The best P.R. ever in Benitez beat the best half-mexican(or so the mexicans claim) in Duran. I'll tell y'all what man the Cubans got their sh*t down, it's too bad that the real b*d*sses from that little c*mmie country don't get the opportunity. The names Diobelys Hurtado and Joel Casamayor ain't even sh*t compared to some of the Cuban amateur greats. Hands down Wilfred Benitez is the best hispanic fighter of all-time.



thats because your a vag and you dont like see cats realy fight
i love duran but he aint have mexican i wish we could claim him.

Damn it must hurt that a little island has more talent than a whole country. I can't wait to tell right uppercut because we have this argument all the time. PR's forever.

ouch... I'm staying out of this battle, but it's funny as hell to watch it unfold

this is just like the cali vs new york thing you know we run you cats .

Man, some Puerto Rican boxing fans get straight ****ing crazy, like my homeboy "Idontwatchboxingunlessthey'repuertorican,andevery1 elseisoverrated"

damn, he should really shorten his screen name. I would expect Golden Boy to put together a Championship Cup like the one they did a while back on HBO. Mexico vs. Puerto Rico would do way bigger numbers than whoever it was last time, Thailand maybe?

this is just like the cali vs new york thing you know we run you cats .


Yo man Ray Robinson the greatest ever was from NY... Also Notorious BIG greatest rapper of all time from where.. BROOKLYN.. CROOKLYN! Screw California bunch of fake asz phony biatches, NYers keep sh*t real..

Yo man Ray Robinson the greatest ever was from NY... Also Notoriour BIG greatest rapper of all time from where.. BROOKLYN.. CROOKLYN! Screw California bunch of fake asz phony biatches, NYers keep sh*t real..


Rakim,LL Cool J,Kool G Rap,Scarface,Chuck D...I could go on....are all greater than B.I.G. Maybe there should be a state to state Championship deal too. I imagine it would garner some interest.

Rakim,LL Cool J,Kool G Rap,Scarface,Chuck D...I could go on....are all greater than B.I.G. Maybe there should be a state to state Championship deal too. I imagine it would garner some interest.



As far as rappers go how come Notorious BIG is frequently called the greatest of all time.. Ive heard many say this. Personally I think Eminem would rip them all up in a battle but he doesnt getthe respect he deserves because hes white

a lot of the Mexicans mentioned shouldnt even been mentioned.

Im talking about the Oscar's Chavez, Barreras and Moraleses of the sport. NOt the damn speedy gonzales and george lopez of the sport
Do you know boxing history?
Have you heard of these greats?

Wilfredo Benitez
Wilfredo Gomez (the best bantamweight ever)
Macho Camacho
Tito Trinidad
Edwin Rosario
Carlos Ortiz
Sammy Serrano
Jose Torres
John John Molina

These are all "great" boxers coming from a small island.

Emmanuel stuart put it best when he stated "Puerto Rico produces the best champions per capita in the world." ;)

This is in response to Mexico vs Puerto Rico Thread initiated by Rogue. This is not a flame thread, just something interesting that I hope will provide some thoughtful comments from the members of this board. I contended with Rogue that I’ve read in a newspaper article that PR had the edge in championship bouts vs Mexicans. We decided to do some research to find if this was true. I have to thank rightuppercut for the list of Mexican Champs, which we used, and we used a list posted by a website, Taino Box, to research the PR Champs. The list is in the next posting. We only used for our analysis the four main organizations, WBC, WBO, IBF, and WBA. The results was 41-38-1-1 in favor of Puerto Rico. I took hours of research so please give credit if used. Comments? :boxing:
you missed one, Luis Ramon Campas got demolished by Tito for the IBF welterweight title. 4th round TKO.

Rakim,LL Cool J,Kool G Rap,Scarface,Chuck D...I could go on....are all greater than B.I.G. Maybe there should be a state to state Championship deal too. I imagine it would garner some interest.LL COOL J over BIGGIE, are you f**king delirious?! LL has covered more ground than BIGGIE, but if we're just talking about rhymin' skills LL would get torn apart! Add Chuck D on that list too... That's coming from a huge P.E. fan.

Wilfred Benitez -> Duran, Chavez, De La Hoto, etc..

MARGARITO > COTTO ON JULY 26TH!!:banana:

It's kind of normal. We've had much more champions, but not all of them have been all that good. Whereas PR has had less champions but with better overall quality.

But this fact remains: in the most important, expected, hyped, fight between a Mexican and a Rican, your all-time best against our all-time best, both in their primes, Salvador Sanchez obliteraded Wilfredo Gomez. Now remember it and weep.

What about Trinidad vs DLH? or Trinidad vs Vargas?

MARGARITO > COTTO ON JULY 26TH!!:banana:

I think you got that backwards.

Damn it must hurt that a little island has more talent than a whole country. I can't wait to tell right uppercut because we have this argument all the time. PR's forever.

The numbers

Population of Puerto Ricans
3,944,259 (July 2007 est.)
Not even 4 million people


Population of Mexicans
108,700,891 (July 2007 est.)
Close to 109 Million people


That is a huge gap of about 105 Million people. Un ****ing believable.
How can you not give Puerto Rico credit?