Not with size, but with skill?

All I hear is how Tito would KO Hopkins right now, that Hopkins is scared of Tito, that Hopkins doesn't deserve to fight Tito, etc...etc...etc...

I say that is all bull and that Hopkins doesn't NEED Tito.

i agree with u
hopkins will give tito another one sided beating
this time tito might win 2 rounds instead of 1

Tito beat up a blown up smokin/drinker welterweight that lets u hit him!

Not with size, but with skill?

All I hear is how Tito would KO Hopkins right now, that Hopkins is scared of Tito, that Hopkins doesn't deserve to fight Tito, etc...etc...etc...

I say that is all bull and that Hopkins doesn't NEED Tito.
I think that Tito might KO him right now but I dont know. It would be a good fight. A prime X would dominate Tito but I think he is slowing and just getting older. He cant fight at a high level forever. I think Tito might would KO him now but it wouldnt take anything away from what happened the first time. That was a prime X and he dominated

and who did hopkins beat..

a blown up welterweight (dlh) an over the hill fighter (joppy)
a guy hes now beat 3 times (allen) a brit whos only stepup
was against joppy (eastman) a guy who ran all night (hakkar)
and (carl daniels) whoever he is.

then it was tito.

so lets not talk about opponents so far when titos only
fought once off his comeback and hopkins has fought this
list of so-so fighters

yeah i think hopkins schooled tito and will again but hope
tito would make it closer or even win.

mayorga was a risky fight to take regardless of it being a
technical mismatch. he took some good shots off mayorga &
showed he can mix it with the higher tier of fighters of
which mayorga is (dont laugh..he is)..we all had doubts.

so style wise hopkins may always have titos number but ya
cant rule out a guy with the skill, power & dedication of
the peurto rican legend .....Felix "Tito" Trinidad.....

and who did hopkins beat..

a blown up welterweight (dlh) an over the hill fighter (joppy)
a guy hes now beat 3 times (allen) a brit whos only stepup
was against joppy (eastman) a guy who ran all night (hakkar)
and (carl daniels) whoever he is.

then it was tito.

so lets not talk about opponents so far when titos only
fought once off his comeback and hopkins has fought this
list of so-so fighters

yeah i think hopkins schooled tito and will again but hope
tito would make it closer or even win.

mayorga was a risky fight to take regardless of it being a
technical mismatch. he took some good shots off mayorga &
showed he can mix it with the higher tier of fighters of
which mayorga is (dont laugh..he is)..we all had doubts.

so style wise hopkins may always have titos number but ya
cant rule out a guy with the skill, power & dedication of
the peurto rican legend Felix "Tito" Trinidad

it is not "style wise"...Hopkins is just better...

Sturm will beat tito his style is made for it

What evidence is there to suggest that Tito could EVER KO Hopkins? Thats right kids...theres none...

This form and any form of Hopkins beats any form of Tito. He's just TOO GOOD for Trinidad.

It's sad how Tito supporters only ever say, "Tito's gonna KO him blah blah blah." Why dont they ever say Tito will win on points? I think it's because they know he can't. I think Hopkins chin is strong enough to hold against Trinidads power shots, and his skills (however slowed they may be) are still enough to avoid most of those power shots.

Hopkins still takes a comfortable decision or late stoppage like last time.

I think that Tito might KO him right now but I dont know. It would be a good fight. A prime X would dominate Tito but I think he is slowing and just getting older. He cant fight at a high level forever. I think Tito might would KO him now but it wouldnt take anything away from what happened the first time. That was a prime X and he dominated


What the hell gives you that insinuation? Hopkins beat Trinidad from rounds 1-12 and sealed the deal before the end of the final bell. When Trinidad hasnt even won 1 single round what makes you think he could pull it off again????

Just because Bernard looked slow against Eastman it is because he adapted to his style, Bernard will be their if you are fast or if you are slow. If you fight slow Bernard will fight slow and Eastman NEVER brought it with speed to Hopkins.

It would be the same fight over, except Hopkins might pull out the decision. Hopkins would counter his ass all night and send Trinidad home crying.

Tito is no better now then he was when he left.

So given that Hopekin beat Tito demonstrating that he is superior then a rematch would be the perfect retirement gift. He will make more money with Tito than with any other fighter and even possible more money than he ever made. Therefore, is a no brainer, he should fight Trinidad and enjoy retirement. Nothing to fear!

What the hell gives you that insinuation? Hopkins beat Trinidad from rounds 1-12 and sealed the deal before the end of the final bell. When Trinidad hasnt even won 1 single round what makes you think he could pull it off again????

Just because Bernard looked slow against Eastman it is because he adapted to his style, Bernard will be their if you are fast or if you are slow. If you fight slow Bernard will fight slow and Eastman NEVER brought it with speed to Hopkins.

It would be the same fight over, except Hopkins might pull out the decision. Hopkins would counter his ass all night and send Trinidad home crying.

Tito is no better now then he was when he left.
Thats bull****. X is slowing and he has even started to aknowledge it. You can tell by his interviews. I have alot of Hopkins fights on tape and this is not the same guy who fought Tito, Holmes, or Echols. He is 40, idiots. You think he is the same he was at 34,35,36. No he isnt. That Hopkins wouldve destroyed Oscar, destroyed Eastman, and KO Joppy. Im not giving Tito props. I dont think he has improved at all. I just think the X is slowing and if you cant see that then there is something wrong with you. He doesnt take time to adapt. Thats just what people say who havent saw him before. The X that fought Holmes and every fight before that was a terror. He came in and roughed you up. He cant do that on a consistent basis anymore. Open your eyes or go look at some old tapes of him before the Tito fight

Thats bull****. X is slowing and he has even started to aknowledge it. You can tell by his interviews. I have alot of Hopkins fights on tape and this is not the same guy who fought Tito, Holmes, or Echols. He is 40, idiots. You think he is the same he was at 34,35,36. No he isnt. That Hopkins wouldve destroyed Oscar, destroyed Eastman, and KO Joppy. Im not giving Tito props. I dont think he has improved at all. I just think the X is slowing and if you cant see that then there is something wrong with you. He doesnt take time to adapt. Thats just what people say who havent saw him before. The X that fought Holmes and every fight before that was a terror. He came in and roughed you up. He cant do that on a consistent basis anymore. Open your eyes or go look at some old tapes of him before the Tito fight

we know he has slowed...that is not the issue here...the issue is that Hopkins was and is still too good for Tito :)

Then he should let the fighters fight and go and sell shoes at Payless.

Thats bull****. X is slowing and he has even started to aknowledge it. You can tell by his interviews. I have alot of Hopkins fights on tape and this is not the same guy who fought Tito, Holmes, or Echols. He is 40, idiots. You think he is the same he was at 34,35,36. No he isnt. That Hopkins wouldve destroyed Oscar, destroyed Eastman, and KO Joppy. Im not giving Tito props. I dont think he has improved at all. I just think the X is slowing and if you cant see that then there is something wrong with you. He doesnt take time to adapt. Thats just what people say who havent saw him before. The X that fought Holmes and every fight before that was a terror. He came in and roughed you up. He cant do that on a consistent basis anymore. Open your eyes or go look at some old tapes of him before the Tito fight


Hopkins wasnt exactly using top speed to beat Trinidad, he moved on his feet and used upper body movement to counter him all night. Any boxer will do that to Tito, if they dont trade with him and maintain countering they will beat Trinidad.

Hopkins may have slowed but speed wouldnt be a factor, it would be pure skill.

hopkins superior blah blah blah

all i ever hear...if hopkins is so out of titos league
why even bother discussing it...its because your
insecurities wont allow it..you feel you have to boost
your confidence by repeatedly saying the same ****.

if its such an easy night fighting tito why isnt
he taking it..hes had plenty of other easy nights

Thats bull****. X is slowing and he has even started to aknowledge it. You can tell by his interviews. I have alot of Hopkins fights on tape and this is not the same guy who fought Tito, Holmes, or Echols. He is 40, idiots. You think he is the same he was at 34,35,36. No he isnt. That Hopkins wouldve destroyed Oscar, destroyed Eastman, and KO Joppy. Im not giving Tito props. I dont think he has improved at all. I just think the X is slowing and if you cant see that then there is something wrong with you. He doesnt take time to adapt. Thats just what people say who havent saw him before. The X that fought Holmes and every fight before that was a terror. He came in and roughed you up. He cant do that on a consistent basis anymore. Open your eyes or go look at some old tapes of him before the Tito fight


Who gives a ****. Hopkins is going to do what Hagler did when he slowed down, he's going to start relying on his chin, physical nature, and ring smarts to help him win fights. He can't do what on a consistent basis anymore? Maybe I'm blind, but I'm sure I still see X hitting his opponents hips and legs in clinches, when the ref cannot see...and I still see him physically jerk his smaller opponents around the ring, using his shoulders when he wants. Of course Hop ain't the fighter he was when he dominated a very good fighter in Holmes, but he has definitely adapted to his old age, and I don't see Tito doing significantly more to him than what happened in their previous fight.

tito is a one dimensional fighter... and hopkins exposed that.. if you watch their first fight... hopkins didnt really use his speed to get to tito... he let tito come to him and counter... and played with his head too... hopkins doesnt need to fight tito again... he got nothing to prove...

hopkins superior blah blah blah

all i ever hear...if hopkins is so out of titos league
why even bother discussing it...its because your
insecurities wont allow it..you feel you have to boost
your confidence by repeatedly saying the same ****.

if its such an easy night fighting tito why isnt
he taking it..hes had plenty of other easy nights
Great post man, they do repeat it over and over, they feel the need to tell themselfs Hopkins is safe every few weeks to sleep well at night :cool: .
Trinidad haters = :bottle:

hopkins superior blah blah blah

all i ever hear...if hopkins is so out of titos league
why even bother discussing it...its because your
insecurities wont allow it..you feel you have to boost
your confidence by repeatedly saying the same ****.

if its such an easy night fighting tito why isnt
he taking it..hes had plenty of other easy nights

What for? He proved his point and made Tito look mediocre, and I think Trinidad is one of the most skilled punchers I've ever seen. I'm a big fan but sorry, Hopkins schooled him that night. He might as well give Eastman a rematch if that's your argument.

Hopkins doesnt need the rematch with Tito to prove he won the first fight, only the money is what Bernard needs from that. I think you better start asking Tito why he isnt taking it.

It is obvious if you would follow the news, Bernard and King are tied up in a lawsuit...Who promotes Tito? Their is your answer.

i agree with u
hopkins will give tito another one sided beating
this time tito might win 2 rounds instead of 1

Tito beat up a blown up smokin/drinker welterweight that lets u hit him!
And do you think Hopkins could have stopped Mayorga HELL NO. He could not even stop Joppy who was battered. The facts are this Tito went in looking to blast out Hopkins was cute and countered. Hopkins does what he has to win regardless of the crowd that is why he will never be regarded as a legend.

HE DOES TO TAKE RISKS. As larry Merchant once said "You have to dare to be great" Hopkins does not

Trindad, Judah, Mosley, De La Hoya, Hamed, Lewis,BENN,TONEY,HOLYFIELD, Morales, Barrea,

Those are great fighters notice I left jones out. Getting laid out on your back twice in a row is not the stuff of greateness
sorry

And do you think Hopkins could have stopped Mayorga HELL NO. He could not even stop Joppy who was battered. The facts are this Tito went in looking to blast out Hopkins was cute and countered. Hopkins does what he has to win regardless of the crowd that is why he will never be regarded as a legend.

HE DOES TO TAKE RISKS. As larry Merchant once said "You have to dare to be great" Hopkins does not

Trindad, Judah, Mosley, De La Hoya, Hamed, Lewis,BENN,TONEY,HOLYFIELD, Morales, Barrea,

Those are great fighters notice I left jones out. Getting laid out on your back twice in a row is not the stuff of greateness
sorry


Jones credibility cannot be denied, retract those statements immediately :)

Take risks? You want risks? Jones went to Heavyweight and convincingly demolished the man that everyone ducks and avoids, because he makes them look bad and wins. Thats just the tip of the iceberg for Jones career, have you even studied Jones career? His skills were phenomenol and has one hell of a resume.

Hamed great? He fought one credible opponent and got his ass handed to him, he had skill but never took a risk in his life.

Hopkins is one of the greatest fighters in our era, to take away respect is absurd. You cant downplay his achievments, you dont have to KO your opponent to be the best Hopkins gave Joppy the worst beating of his life and Hopkins took Trinidad to hell and back and punished him over 12 rounds...Atleast Joppy didnt crack like Tito

Who is Mayorga? Mayorga hasnt looked good since 147, Mayorga is a gatekeeper with an attitude that appeals that is it nothing more nothing less. Mayorga is probably the dumbest boxer in the world right now.



:)

Hopkins is almost at the end of his career. I am confident that TIto can beat him now.

Hopkins real career just started, he beat Oscar last year, and Eastman this year, beating Taylor means nothing, losing to Trinidad in a rematch is his end, is wasnt old enough to lose to Oscar (which hes getting cerdit for beating), or Eastman the best option for him to defend his belt :rolleyes: , so when Tito beats him one year from his fight with Oscar, he will get full cerdit as well.

Well I think both arguments are pretty much the same. The people who support Trinidad keep saying Trinidad won't go head-hunting and he'll capitalize off of Hopkins' aging, and the people who support Hopkins say, it doesn't matter how old he gets, because the way he dominated him the first fight just shows that he has his number.

My question is this, if Trinidad doesn't go head-hunting in their 2nd fight, what will he do, I doubt he'll try to box Bernard Hopkins, his best bet is to press the action and do more of what he did in round 10 of their first fight...(but of course he still got his ass-handed to him in that round too.) What can Trinidad do to beat Bernard Hopkins, what will it take?

hopkins will have to get old for good, which i think is extremly possible from now on. i mean, how much longer can he go, really? i have a bad feeling taylor is gonna beat him, then we will have taylor-tito instead anyway.

Whoever said Hopkins didn't use speed to beat Tito in the first fight is kidding themselves. Speed is one of the main reasons he won almost every exchange between the two. I have always said that Hopkins put on one of the greatest performances I have ever seen but I don't think he would ever repeat that kind of performance again. Do I think Hopkins will beat Tito again? More than likely he will but this time on points and the fight will be closer. I have said even after the fight that Hopkins may beat Tito everytime out but it will not be as one-sided as it was. If anybody think Hopkins can put on a performance like that again then they haven't seen his last fews fights. Hopkins has adapted a style that allows himself to fight as a slower pace making it appear that he hasn't slipped but none of his opponents have force a fast pace on him. Oscar had the chance but blew it by fighting at Hopkins pace. Tito will bring that faster pace but I believe Hopkins will do just enough to escape with a decision. I will be rooting for Tito however if the rematch occurs.

And do you think Hopkins could have stopped Mayorga HELL NO. He could not even stop Joppy who was battered. The facts are this Tito went in looking to blast out Hopkins was cute and countered. Hopkins does what he has to win regardless of the crowd that is why he will never be regarded as a legend.

HE DOES TO TAKE RISKS. As larry Merchant once said "You have to dare to be great" Hopkins does not

Trindad, Judah, Mosley, De La Hoya, Hamed, Lewis,BENN,TONEY,HOLYFIELD, Morales, Barrea,

Those are great fighters notice I left jones out. Getting laid out on your back twice in a row is not the stuff of greateness
sorry

Ignorant child, Jones made a fool out of Toney and you'd call the latter great and not him? Judah great? This guy dominated ofr nearly a decade and you have the nerev to deny him of his due? You're making a mockery of yourself by posting. Here's a friendly reminder. ROY JONES BECAME THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD.

And you don't make 20 title defenses in a row, make history and not be called a great fighter.

Whoever said Hopkins didn't use speed to beat Tito in the first fight is kidding themselves. Speed is one of the main reasons he won almost every exchange between the two. I have always said that Hopkins put on one of the greatest performances I have ever seen but I don't think he would ever repeat that kind of performance again. Do I think Hopkins will beat Tito again? More than likely he will but this time on points and the fight will be closer. I have said even after the fight that Hopkins may beat Tito everytime out but it will not be as one-sided as it was. If anybody think Hopkins can put on a performance like that again then they haven't seen his last fews fights. Hopkins has adapted a style that allows himself to fight as a slower pace making it appear that he hasn't slipped but none of his opponents have force a fast pace on him. Oscar had the chance but blew it by fighting at Hopkins pace. Tito will bring that faster pace but I believe Hopkins will do just enough to escape with a decision. I will be rooting for Tito however if the rematch occurs.


Had Oscar forced a faster pace against Hop he would have been outta there in 7 or less. I'd give Tito a shot at losing 7-4-1 if he fought Hop again. :D

Ignorant child, Jones made a fool out of Toney and you'd call the latter great and not him? Judah great? This guy dominated ofr nearly a decade and you have the nerev to deny him of his due? You're making a mockery of yourself by posting. Here's a friendly reminder. ROY JONES BECAME THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD.

And you don't make 20 title defenses in a row, make history and not be called a great fighter.


Good post...but Toney is great for sure. :D

why is this post even here??? its like arguing that a VW beatle can run over a tank

If I were tito this time i would go straight for the body hopkins is a slow started take his movement and weaking his whole body.

thats all he did, he pounded Hopkibns body all night. Hopkiins said afterwards "im not going to lie but my ribs really hurt"

And do you think Hopkins could have stopped Mayorga HELL NO. He could not even stop Joppy who was battered. The facts are this Tito went in looking to blast out Hopkins was cute and countered. Hopkins does what he has to win regardless of the crowd that is why he will never be regarded as a legend.

HE DOES TO TAKE RISKS. As larry Merchant once said "You have to dare to be great" Hopkins does not

Trindad, Judah, Mosley, De La Hoya, Hamed, Lewis,BENN,TONEY,HOLYFIELD, Morales, Barrea,

Those are great fighters notice I left jones out. Getting laid out on your back twice in a row is not the stuff of greateness
sorry


You lose all credibility by saying Jones is no good because he got KOed his last two fights. Jones now is not the same Jones that will be remembered for years.

Hopkins will be remembered by boxing fans, if for nothing else, his 20 title defenses.

skill plus size is too much for Tito to overcome. He beat Skill in Oscar. He beat size in Joppy. But together it is just too much. I hope he doesn't fight bernard again so that him and Strum and Jermain Taylor and Vargas can all mix it up.

skill plus size is too much for Tito to overcome. He beat Skill in Oscar. He beat size in Joppy. But together it is just too much. I hope he doesn't fight bernard again so that him and Strum and Jermain Taylor and Vargas can all mix it up.


By that logic, he'd lose to Sturm and Taylor as well. Taylor, is especially skilled with very good size (he should be fighting at 168). Joppy wasn't really bigger than Tito.

By that logic, he'd lose to Sturm and Taylor as well. Taylor, is especially skilled with very good size (he should be fighting at 168). Joppy wasn't really bigger than Tito.

They don't have Hopkins level skillz. They have skills but with and "s" see. Hopkins has skillz with a "z".

Had Oscar forced a faster pace against Hop he would have been outta there in 7 or less. I'd give Tito a shot at losing 7-4-1 if he fought Hop again. :D

I'm not saying Oscar would of won but we definitely would of seen Hopkins struggling to catch up for more than a few rounds if Oscar had moved more instead of trying to stand his ground.

If Trinidad gives a beating to Winky everyone will want to see Nard-Trinidad II...if Nard doesn't step to the challenge he will look like a coward..

Trinidad is one of the best fighters of our era...He deserves to have a rematch for his only professional loss, and Bernard deserves to get a big payday b4 he retires..

Trinidad-Hopkins II September 2005!!!

I'm trying to figure out how Hopkins can be considered a coward for not fighting someone he already dominated for 12 rounds?

The fight will probably happen becuase it is the biggest dollar figure for Hopkins. If Tito beats Winky, the fight will happen.

If Trinidad gives a beating to Winky everyone will want to see Nard-Trinidad II...if Nard doesn't step to the challenge he will look like a coward..

Trinidad is one of the best fighters of our era...He deserves to have a rematch for his only professional loss, and Bernard deserves to get a big payday b4 he retires..

Trinidad-Hopkins II September 2005!!!


As usual, you're disgusting gay love for Trinidad is blurring any common sense your momma gave you. First of all, Trinidad will not come close to giving Wright a "beating"...matter of fact, wouldn't surprise me to see the exact opposite and watch Wright KO Trinidad in the later rounds after boxing his ears off. Second, what would Hopkins have to prove by fighting Trinidad again no matter WHAT the outcome of the Wright fight is? I know it pains you but try to remember the Hopkins/Tito fight...Yesssss, it'coming back to you now, isn't it? A painful boxing lesson and and a brutal KO! What's left to prove??? Certainly not your everlasting love for your sweatheart. Now go smooch on your Trinidad poster ( but make sure to stay away from the old, sticky stains that are on it!)

As usual, you're disgusting gay love for Trinidad is blurring any common sense your momma gave you. First of all, Trinidad will not come close to giving Wright a "beating"...matter of fact, wouldn't surprise me to see the exact opposite and watch Wright KO Trinidad in the later rounds after boxing his ears off. Second, what would Hopkins have to prove by fighting Trinidad again no matter WHAT the outcome of the Wright fight is? I know it pains you but try to remember the Hopkins/Tito fight...Yesssss, it'coming back to you now, isn't it? A painful boxing lesson and and a brutal KO! What's left to prove??? Certainly not your everlasting love for your sweatheart. Now go smooch on your Trinidad poster ( but make sure to stay away from the old, sticky stains that are on it!)

Words dont mean nothing in boxing and Winky has stated he will trade and match shots with Trinidad. If he doesnt keep it at a super fast paced as soon as Trinidad lands one of those devastating shots on Winky he will crumble. Winky has to fight the fight of his life and counter him all night. Tito has a perfect track record with southpaws so that wont be a problem. Winky is going to get his ass kicked, When MOSLEY at 154 as powerless as he is caught Winky on the button and he hurt him. I cant even imagine what Winky would do when Tito lands flush on hi m.


Flat out, Felix is one of the hardest punching guys in the sport and he could probably match power with the heavyweights.

well i fianlly finished reading all of your posts here in this thread. i have to admit that i may have heard a hint of true boxing knoweledge some where in there. maybe a little on both sides. but, as usual, it was mostly just clouded rants from the crabs of both fighters nuts. personally i will never forget the onesided ass-whoopin b-hop gave to tito. i have painfully watched it several times. its actually a pretty boring fight. one thing that i heard a few times was that tito is one dimensional. this is patrially true. tito began to fight more one dimensional once he fell in love with his power. prior to that he moved alot more and found his shots. for those of you that actually paid attention to the mayorga fight may have moticed that tito was moving alot more again. tito may have learned something by being totally dominated by hopkins. i hardly doubt you would see the same tito in the ring with nard again.b-hop pulled a ali on tito....he got in his head. it started way before the fight. i have to admit b-hop is a very smart cat. the questions of weather or not a fighter has anything to prove after they have already dismantled someone is simple.....YES! but for nard and tito its kinda pointless. nard is not in his prime anymore and tito is still very much in hte game. would nard dominate again? i doubt it. would he win? he has a chance but not as much as you guys tend to give him. nard is a very special fighter. he has accomplished alot and along the way provided us with some good fights and some boring fights. he has this unique ability to adapt to his opponents. however i beleive the fight with dlh was a thrown fight. thats just my opinion and it can't be changed. nard has been beating up on smaller guys for some time now. eastman was finally a good sized guy for nard. i couldn't tell you round for round what happened in that fight because i went to sleep. it was almost as painful as watching ruiz fight. but thats what i expected. bernards fights are always pretty boring. but he wins and thats what matters. nard will always be remembered as a true champion no matter what. i gotta tell ya i like the guy.

if the fight actually happens i would lean towards a tito victory. u am a tito fan so that may have something to do with it but i have watched the guy come up and i know what he is capable of. most of yu are basing your judgments on his last 4 fights. i have watched hopkins over the years as well and can say that he is fading. c'mon folks he's 40. do i wanna see a rematch? not really. it would be just as boring as the rest of them. i wanna see tito fight younger more exciting fighters. the kind that are willing to take chances.

I hope Hopkins break the 25 def record by Joe.
Probably hop also want to achive it.that's why he dealy never try to ko in recent fights. Tito is really historical good boxer but if he rematch
hop ,he will beat again cause hop is much tough and defensive than tito.
but anybody predict what result happens in this bout.

Tito was outboxed and outsized, but i think by outsized he was easier to outbox, so you see he wasn't really outboxed since he was outsized to start with, he wasn't outsized he wouldn't have been outboxed.