View Full Version : If Nunn had beaten Toney...


Benncollinsaad
09-25-2009, 08:14 PM
...would he be seen as an ATG today? Before that he beat names like Donald Curry, Sumbu Kalambay, Iran Barkley, Marlon Starling, Juan Domingo Roldan and Frank Tate. Most of them are HOFs or HOF worthy fighters. So had things gone his way against Toney, would he be considered an ATG if he had added another great name to his conquests?

Who else did he had to beat in your mind before he could be considered ATG?

RightCross94
09-25-2009, 08:24 PM
Possibly. Especially if Toney had gone on to achieve the other things he did like titles at 168 and 200.

Dynamite Kid
09-25-2009, 09:39 PM
...would he be seen as an ATG today? Before that he beat names like Donald Curry, Sumbu Kalambay, Iran Barkley, Marlon Starling, Juan Domingo Roldan and Frank Tate. Most of them are HOFs or HOF worthy fighters. So had things gone his way against Toney, would he be considered an ATG if he had added another great name to his conquests?

Who else did he had to beat in your mind before he could be considered ATG?


I dont know, but he seemed destined to go off the rails imo. That Toney defeat was a culmination of some poor/average performances before that fight.

He looked sensational against Tate, he looked good against Roldan to but after dropping Roldan he started taking his eye off the ball and he was starting to let Roldan back into the fight, that was Nunn's biggest problem imo, he did not have it upstairs, he clowned too much when he should of been concentrating on the job at hand.

His KO of Kalambay is self explanatory, however its sufficient to say that Kalambay was a great fighter who had wins over some great fighters, most notably Mike McCallum. Great win.

He looked terrible against Iran Barkley, he obviously underestimated Barkley.

Marlon Starling was a great fighter but! Marlon Starling was a WW and he gave Nunn a very difficult night, infact you could make a case that he won the fight.

He had a good performance against Curry that sort of made you think he was back on track and then came the Toney fight where he got nailed.

Something like that was bound to happen sooner or later imo.

D-MiZe
09-25-2009, 09:42 PM
Doesn't Nunn also have a win over the ATG John Scully?

BennyST
09-26-2009, 12:14 AM
Nunn always seemed a bit too fruity to be ATG. He had those physical attributes which ended up taking him a long way but he was mentally a little slow I think.

As Dynamite Kid pointed out he had a lot of fights leading up to the Toney one which were very close. The Barkley fight had a lot of spots in it that if it had been a prime Barkley it could have been very different, even then Nunn got hit a lot by a much slower, older version of Barkley.

The Curry fight was ok, but Curry wasn't exactly good by then. Starling fight was terrible too.

His only really great fight was the Kalambay one, who is an amazingly underrated fighter. He was a boxing purists dream and damn he was good when he was on.

Bushidō
09-26-2009, 12:16 AM
nunn always seemed a bit too fruity to be atg. He had those physical attributes which ended up taking him a long way but he was mentally a little slow i think.

As dynamite kid pointed out he had a lot of fights leading up to the toney one which were very close. The barkley fight had a lot of spots in it that if it had been a prime barkley it could have been very different, even then nunn got hit a lot by a much slower, older version of barkley.

The curry fight was ok, but curry wasn't exactly good by then. Starling fight was terrible too.

His only really great fight was the kalambay one, who is an amazingly underrated fighter. He was a boxing purists dream and damn he was good when he was on.

hahahahhaha

BennyST
09-26-2009, 05:49 AM
Did anyone else always want someone to wipe that idiotic expression he always had when he came into the ring right off his face?

Dynamite Kid
09-26-2009, 07:13 AM
Did anyone else always want someone to wipe that idiotic expression he always had when he came into the ring right off his face?

I know what you talking about that half smirk, half smile he always seemed to have on his face.

Yes it was kinda annoying :lol1:

RightCross94
09-26-2009, 08:44 AM
Did anyone else always want someone to wipe that idiotic expression he always had when he came into the ring right off his face?

Well Toney certainly did.

Spray_resistant
09-26-2009, 09:08 AM
I have always wondered this because the fight as pretty even until the ko....what if Nunn had survived and won a close decision or lost it even. Would he have achieved greater things?

Benncollinsaad
09-26-2009, 11:10 AM
I have always wondered this because the fight as pretty even until the ko....what if Nunn had survived and won a close decision or lost it even. Would he have achieved greater things?

I think that he would, but he did go wrong somewhere down the road. He did drugs, didn't he? I think his losses to Little, Liles and Rocchigiani could all been avoided had he been more focused. And he underestimated Toney perhaps. Not only that, but Toney angered him and made him too eager to show that he was a better boxer than Toney, he wanted to embarrass him.

Gotta give him credit tho how he got up from that devastating shot...

Dynamite Kid
09-26-2009, 11:18 AM
I think that he would, but he did go wrong somewhere down the road. He did drugs, didn't he? I think his losses to Little, Liles and Rocchigiani could all been avoided had he been more focused. And he underestimated Toney perhaps. Not only that, but Toney angered him and made him too eager to show that he was a better boxer than Toney, he wanted to embarrass him.

Gotta give him credit tho how he got up from that devastating shot...

Nunn was done by the time he fought Rocchigiani, well past his best, he did okay a few rounds but he could not keep the fight in centre ring because he did not have the stamina to at that point, Rocchigiani basically won the fight because Nunn could not keep off the ropes. A prime Nunn would of beaten him though because he had the stamina, legs to keep himself off the ropes.

Benncollinsaad
09-26-2009, 11:21 AM
Nunn was done by the time he fought Rocchigiani, well past his best, he did okay a few rounds but he could not keep the fight in centre ring because he did not have the stamina to at that point, Rocchigiani basically won the fight because Nunn could not keep off the ropes. A prime Nunn would of beaten him though because he had the stamina, legs to keep himself off the ropes.

Yea, no doubt. Rocchigiani was beaten up by Maske twice and Michalczewski the second time.

blacklodge
10-17-2009, 01:13 AM
I ran into Nunn at a Denny's just before he left to "train" for the Merqui Sosa fight (I'm from the same town he's from), and I worked with a girlfriend of his at the time who was there so I felt I could nudge into a converation with him. He's a smart guy, just with an ego you wouldn't believe. He said he got careless and was showing off against Toney in front of the hometown crowd. Toney wouldn't give him a rematch, and probably never would, he claimed. The Goosens weren't paying him, so he dropped them. He also said that the Toney fight was going to be his last at 160 anyway, because he couldn't make weight anymore. I couldn't help but glance down at the plates of fries and mozz sticks in front of him when he said that. It was a fun conversation, but I could tell he was convinced that he could get by on his skills alone. I don't think he seriously trained for a fight after Kalambay.