Ok, I know this topic has probably been talked about to death here but I just want to add some thoughts.

First, I think its a myth that Philippines lacks talent. With a population nearing 100 million with religious ferver over basketball it is statistically impossible to not have an ample supply of players in the international level.

Second, yes, I am aware that Filipinos are not as vertically inclined as blacks or Europeans, but going by the present make-up of the NBA, there are plenty of players under 6' 5". As a matter of fact, some of the greatest players in NBA history have been in the 6' 2" range with some well under 6'. Sure, Philippines would be hard pressed to find a dominant center, but guards and small forwards should be abundant.

In my view, the lack of Pinoy representation in the NBA is part political and other part business. Player selection is greatly dependent on who the league believes the fans want to see. In the late 80's when white player participation in the NBA started to dwindle, recruiters began to look towards European players to fill the void. In the last decade, in accordance to the globalization of the NBA, a few Chinese players have been included.

Sadly, in exception the selections from Europe and China, NBA player recruitment has been of the cookie cutter variety. The same, iverson-like, tattoos, cornrolls, MTV cribs-type players. Skills and substance take a back seat to markability.

In the Philippines the skills and talent are there, unfortunatley, our players dont fit that mold presently used in the NBA.

some pinoy can play as a point guard in nba. who knows.. pac's popularity might influence those who run nba to get some pinoy.
palagay nyo sinong pinoy basketbolista na mukhang mas malupit k carlos arroyo?

coz basketball is not our sport, 6'0 satin matankand na pde na mag centro or forward pero sa kanila guard palang yan. Kaya pag meron magaling na forward o centro satin pag lalagay mo yan sa nba or sa europe di yan papasa kasi mga centro dun mga 6'10 at 7'0. Kun lalagay muna man sya sa ibang position di na yan marunong kasi sanay na sya sa pinas na centro laro nya. Kaya walang talagang pag asa mag fit in ung laro ng pinoy sa international level hangang SEA games nalang muna tayo. :haha:

Ok, I know this topic has probably been talked about to death here but I just want to add some thoughts.

First, I think its a myth that Philippines lacks talent. With a population nearing 100 million with religious ferver over basketball it is statistically impossible to not have an ample supply of players in the international level.

Second, yes, I am aware that Filipinos are not as vertically inclined as blacks or Europeans, but going by the present make-up of the NBA, there are plenty of players under 6' 5". As a matter of fact, some of the greatest players in NBA history have been in the 6' 2" range with some well under 6'. Sure, Philippines would be hard pressed to find a dominant center, but guards and small forwards should be abundant.

In my view, the lack of Pinoy representation in the NBA is part political and other part business. Player selection is greatly dependent on who the league believes the fans want to see. In the late 80's when white player participation in the NBA started to dwindle, recruiters began to look towards European players to fill the void. In the last decade, in accordance to the globalization of the NBA, a few Chinese players have been included.

Sadly, in exception the selections from Europe and China, NBA player recruitment has been of the cookie cutter variety. The same, iverson-like, tattoos, cornrolls, MTV cribs-type players. Skills and substance take a back seat to markability.

In the Philippines the skills and talent are there, unfortunatley, our players dont fit that mold presently used in the NBA.Bullsh*t, name a current Pinoy player that is actually NBA material?

For the NBA team scouts to take notice of someone from overseas, that player has to be exceptional in their eyes, how that player's career in the NBA turns out is another story.

It's like this bro, Johnny Abarrientos was once scouted by the Hornets, initially the scouting report were positive, but in the end, they said, well we have alot college players that can do what he does and bigger in size.

coz basketball is not our sport, 6'0 satin matankand na pde na mag centro or forward pero sa kanila guard palang yan. Kaya pag meron magaling na forward o centro satin pag lalagay mo yan sa nba or sa europe di yan papasa kasi mga centro dun mga 6'10 at 7'0. Kun lalagay muna man sya sa ibang position di na yan marunong kasi sanay na sya sa pinas na centro laro nya. Kaya walang talagang pag asa mag fit in ung laro ng pinoy sa international level hangang SEA games nalang muna tayo. :haha:

I understand that due to the height disparity, filipino players play out of position as compared to their international counterparts, but I think you missed my point...

I never insinuated that a Pinoy team can internationally dominate but, rather, I contend that INDIVIDUAL FILIPINO players can be on the NBA level. As per your point, many players that transitioned from college and high school were made to play outside of their position usually playing as forwards and centers. But, once in the NBA, they moved to a more natural positions such a guards or even point guards. So, Pinoy players can transition to different positions just the same.

Listen, I grew up in NYC and played in the same high school leagues as Stephon Marbury, Kenny Anderson, Lamar Odom, Sebastian Telfair etc... I've played against the calibre that has made it to the NBA. And I have seen streetkids in Manila and kids playing in the province that can equal in physical attributes and skills as those I've played against...

Like I said, the talent is there, I think its just a matter of time.

Bullsh*t, name a current Pinoy player that is actually NBA material?

For the NBA team scouts to take notice of someone from overseas, that player has to be exceptional in their eyes, how that player's career in the NBA turns out is another story.

It's like this bro, Johnny Abarrientos was once scouted by the Hornets, initially the scouting report were positive, but in the end, they said, well we have alot college players that can do what he does and bigger in size.


Shiiiiiieeet, I have cousins that are 5' 11" in the province that could bust lower level NBA players... You make it seem as every single player in the NBA is Labron level...

Please bro, you can come to west 4th in Manhattan or many ball courts in Broolklyn and Queens and see regular guys that would dominate many players in the NBA.

It is true that NBA has the best top tier players but there are also an overabundancy of scrubs...

calderon who play in toronto raptors looks like hes nothing special. i cant believe he made it to nba

Shiiiiiieeet, I have cousins that are 5' 11" in the province that could bust lower level NBA players... You make it seem as every single player in the NBA is Labron level...

Please bro, you can come to west 4th in Manhattan or many ball courts in Broolklyn and Queens and see regular guys that would dominate many players in the NBA.

It is true that NBA has the best top tier players but there are also an overabundancy of scrubs...You obviously cannot comprehend the english language.

Can you re-read my post please.

I said, for the NBA scouts to waste their f**kin' time overseas, that player has to be exceptional(if you don't know what that means, grab a dictionary). Why are they gonna bother to travel halfway across the world if they can just grab the same type of player with the same skillset from a f**kin' junior college?

And as far as you saying that there are street ballers that can school NBA players(I'm assuming you mean in one-on-one ball), yeah I'm sure there are, but can they play basketball?

Sure, I've seen some sic ass street ballers, but do they have the NBA game? NBA ball is a different animal!!

I'll tell you what, the folks that don't make it in the NBA aren't necessarily sh*tty players, it is just that, in the NBA, teams consists of that one star player and everybody else around him are role players

Guys that aren't good enough to play in the NBA, may just mean that they were the jack of all trades but master at none. So, they maybe so-so at shooting/defense/driving/blah, blah, but there not particularly great at one thing and that's what NBA teams need to support their star player(s).

tangina kung si marlou aquino naging iverson gumalaw eh pwede mga Pinoy sa

NBA.

kaso habang lumalaki pinoy eh nagiging banban...

bansot talaga mga pinoy... wag nyo ng pilitin. it takes about a million years to

evolve ahahah...

You obviously cannot comprehend the english language.

Can you re-read my post please.

I said, for the NBA scouts to waste their f**kin' time overseas, that player has to be exceptional(if you don't know what that means, grab a dictionary). Why are they gonna bother to travel halfway across the world if they can just grab the same type of player with the same skillset from a f**kin' junior college?

And as far as you saying that there are street ballers that can school NBA players(I'm assuming you mean in one-on-one ball), yeah I'm sure there are, but can they play basketball?

Sure, I've seen some sic ass street ballers, but do they have the NBA game? NBA ball is a different animal!!

I'll tell you what, the folks that don't make it in the NBA aren't necessarily sh*tty players, it is just that, in the NBA, teams consists of that one star player and everybody else around him are role players

Guys that aren't good enough to play in the NBA, may just mean that they were the jack of all trades but master at none. So, they maybe so-so at shooting/defense/driving/blah, blah, but there not particularly great at one thing and that's what NBA teams need to support their star player(s).

Listen ***get, did you get kicked in the face too hard in that sissy muay "I kick like a girl" Thay, sport of yours???

Are you too stupid to notice you contradict yourself in your post?

First, you ask what Filipino is NBA "material", implying that there are no Pinoy talent good enough to make the NBA... But now, you are saying that the majority of the NBA are "roll" players to the stars???LMAO

Sure I may agree that for a scout to look towards a Pinoy, the player must be exception (for obvious barriers), still doesnt refute the fact that there are Pinoys that have the skillset to make the NBA.... Their recruiting logic is arguable but the obvious talent in Philippines is not.

Have you been to NYC??? Have you seen players here??? You can ask anyone here that there are better players that play in the parks than its own NBA team.

Streetball?.... As if the NBA dont change its own rules to benifit their star players... From one hand check, to bend arm, to 3 second, to red area, to so on and so on.... Shieet, you cant even play defense in the NBA... So please, retard, dont act like the NBA is the end all of basketball...

mga tol hindi ako sure and feel free to correct me guys, yung ke abarientos dati pagkakaalam ko tumaging i-release ang alaska si johnny, dahil finals na nuon at parang isang buwan lang yung contract na-inoffer renewable pag nagustuhan ang laro, kaya suma tutal di natuloy ...

tapos pagkakalam ko rin si alvarez was being eyed also, pero di ako sure kung totoo nga...

its ok ts is delusional :haha:

its ok ts is delusional :haha:

Yeah, ok, same thing was said about Pinoy boxers being in the top P4P list just a few years ago.... Now we have two, with many more in the years to come..


All Pinoy players need is exposure and marketability..... Once one makes it others will follow. As Ive said making it in the NBA for Pinoys is not a question of talent but rather opportunity.

mga tol hindi ako sure and feel free to correct me guys, yung ke abarientos dati pagkakaalam ko tumaging i-release ang alaska si johnny, dahil finals na nuon at parang isang buwan lang yung contract na-inoffer renewable pag nagustuhan ang laro, kaya suma tutal di natuloy ...

tapos pagkakalam ko rin si alvarez was being eyed also, pero di ako sure kung totoo nga...
Si Alvarez naglaro dito sa US sa NBL team ni Daryl Dawkins.Maganda naman ang nilaro niya kaya lang 30+ y/o na siya nung naglaro siya.

One day a pinoy player will land an NBA deal. It's our number1 sport.....inevitable.

the sacramento kings could put out an all pinoy/pba team next season and no one would notice the difference on their record.


true story.

the sacramento kings could put out an all pinoy/pba team next season and no one would notice the difference on their record.


true story.




they might win more games and Chups will start showing up at ARCO Arena

they might win more games and Chups will start showing up at ARCO Arena

manong chups works at arco.



http://www.nba.com/media/Mas2.jpg

mga tol hindi ako sure and feel free to correct me guys, yung ke abarientos dati pagkakaalam ko tumaging i-release ang alaska si johnny, dahil finals na nuon at parang isang buwan lang yung contract na-inoffer renewable pag nagustuhan ang laro, kaya suma tutal di natuloy ...

tapos pagkakalam ko rin si alvarez was being eyed also, pero di ako sure kung totoo nga...


Alvarez was never "eyed" by NBA scouts.
It was just Johnny, and after camp, they simply decided not to go with him.

Sa dami ng talented Pinoys on-court, bakit si Johnny ang pinag-interesan?
Ano talent ni Johnny, distinguishing him from other Pinoy pro's?
He could dribble off of either foot.

Maraming Pinoy, mabilis tumakbo, marunong mag-assist, shoot, defend, etc.,
pero sa fundamentals, mahina, kaya kapag NBA talent-level na ang katapat,
dejado talaga. Kulang na nga sa height, hindi pa seryosohin ang basics.
Bara-bara na lang at puro porma.

As I said in the other tread, regarding Pinoy teams sent to international
touneys, wala tayong pag-asa, kasi **** coaching, **** players and zero prep.
When Ron Jacobs couldn't coach anymore, the last vestige of SERIOUS
Philippine basketball disappeared.

isang malaking problema satin eh nauuna ang porma bago matuto talaga ng proper basketball. heto nakukuha natin kakapanood ng NBA na madalas mag 1on1 at ginagaya kagad natin imbes na teamwork ang praktisin. kaya pag lumaban tayo ngayon kahit Asian basketball, hirap tayo. pero individual talent marami din, yun nga lang talagang exceptional ka dapat kasi usually kulang sa height :D

Yeah, ok, same thing was said about Pinoy boxers being in the top P4P list just a few years ago.... Now we have two, with many more in the years to come..


All Pinoy players need is exposure and marketability..... Once one makes it others will follow. As Ive said making it in the NBA for Pinoys is not a question of talent but rather opportunity.

pac is not product of exposure and marketabiltiy he is product of what he is naturally pinoys are gifted in boxing coz size it has weight divisions while basketball game has none same with pinoys in basketball but so far their product aint worth **** on the international or nba level better they just stick with sea games and dat ****. If they invest more time in boxing we producing even more pacquiaos.

Makavetlog can play in the NBA, kaya lang sa wetpax niya iso-shoot ang bola! :smashfrea

Makavetlog can play in the NBA, kaya lang sa wetpax niya iso-shoot ang bola! :smashfrea




you and your dad can put on your skirts and be cheerleaders :dance:

the sacramento kings could put out an all pinoy/pba team next season and no one would notice the difference on their record.


true story.

lmao.

Yeah, most Pinoys, just don't have the height for basketball. I mean, I'm the tallest in my family (well, those in my family that I've met, excluding Black, Latino and White uncles) and I'm 6'3", my pop's about 6'1", and he said when he was in P.M.A. there weren't that many people taller than him, maybe it's changed slightly now, but I think in general, we're just short.

they might win more games and Chups will start showing up at ARCO Arena
kings actually have a solid team going into this season, you will see.

and has this topic really been talked to death? the thread starter has a whole argument for this and some posters on here are talking like they have already gotten into other discussions about this. to me its just weird even reading this thread. you guys really love your basketball dont you?

kings actually have a solid team going into this season, you will see.

and has this topic really been talked to death? the thread starter has a whole argument for this and some posters on here are talking like they have already gotten into other discussions about this. to me its just weird even reading this thread. you guys really love your basketball dont you?

Being great at playing basketball is what Pinays dig. :D

You obviously cannot comprehend the english language.

Can you re-read my post please.

I said, for the NBA scouts to waste their f**kin' time overseas, that player has to be exceptional(if you don't know what that means, grab a dictionary). Why are they gonna bother to travel halfway across the world if they can just grab the same type of player with the same skillset from a f**kin' junior college?

And as far as you saying that there are street ballers that can school NBA players(I'm assuming you mean in one-on-one ball), yeah I'm sure there are, but can they play basketball?

Sure, I've seen some sic ass street ballers, but do they have the NBA game? NBA ball is a different animal!!

I'll tell you what, the folks that don't make it in the NBA aren't necessarily sh*tty players, it is just that, in the NBA, teams consists of that one star player and everybody else around him are role players

Guys that aren't good enough to play in the NBA, may just mean that they were the jack of all trades but master at none. So, they maybe so-so at shooting/defense/driving/blah, blah, but there not particularly great at one thing and that's what NBA teams need to support their star player(s).
mark caguioa has been scouted many times over but declare too short. johny a. in his prime was heavily scouted but was too short

if earl boykins made it, pinoy can too....
http://images.hugi.is/korfubolti/126571.jpg

earl boykins is short but very solid and he stand his own against bigger guards, he can even dunk.

pac is not product of exposure and marketabiltiy he is product of what he is naturally pinoys are gifted in boxing coz size it has weight divisions while basketball game has none same with pinoys in basketball but so far their product aint worth **** on the international or nba level better they just stick with sea games and dat ****. If they invest more time in boxing we producing even more pacquiaos.

Pac is every bit a product of marketability and exposure... Please, if he would have stayed in Philippines instead of coming to US and getting a high profile trainer and promotional team, would you really think he would be as popular today??? Yes, his talents did the rest but he needed the venue and the opportunity to shine on the big stage... Same with Pinoy basketball players the skills, physical abilities are there, but opportunities are lacking...

Like I said an all PINOY team is unlikely to dominate internationally but INDIVIDUAL players can and have the talent to make the NBA..


For those stuck on the height issue:

Top 50 NBA ATG players under 6'3":

Jerry West 6' 2"
Bob Cousy 6'1"
Nate Archibald 6' 1"
Dave Bing 6' 3"
Hal Greer 6' 2"
Lenny Wilkens 6' 1"
Isaih Thomas 6'1"
John Stockton 6'1"
Bill Sharman 6' 1"


Some present NBA players 6' 3" and under:

Tony Parker
Chauncey Billups (barely)
Will Bynum
Chris Paul
Devin Harris (maybe not even)
Deron Williams (maybe not even)
Jameer Nelson
Steve Nash (highly doubt)
Jason Terry (it's close)
Nate Robinson
Rajon Rondo
Jose Calderon (it's close)
Andre Miller
Ben Gordon (highly doubt)
Mo Williams
Russell Westbrook
TJ Ford
Mike Bibby
Rafer Alston (it's close)
Aaron Brooks
Chris Duhon
Beno Udrih
Mario Chalmers
Derek Fisher
Sebastien Telfair
Keyon Dooling (I guess it's close)
Luke Ridnour
Bobby Jackson
George HIll
Anthony Johnson (maybe)
Anthony Carter
Sergio Rodriguez
Antonio Daniels
Brevin Knight
Flip Murray (it's close)
Steve Blake (it's close)
Mike James
Earl Watson
Will Solomon
Jerryd Bayless (close)
Tyronn Lue
Kevin Ollie
Stephon Marbury
Chucky Atkins
Jacque Vaughn
Damon Jones(close)
Sam Cassell(close)
Monta Ellis (my intuition)
Allen Iverson
Raymond Felton
Jarrett Jack
Louis Williams
Ramon Sessions
DJ Augustin
Delonte West
Kirk Hinrich (low chance)
CJ Watson
Eddie House
Jose Juan Barea
Daniel Gibson
Kyle Lowry
JJ Reddick (it's close, my intuition)
Mike Taylor
Bobby Brown
Juan Dixon
Chris Quinn
Luther Head (close)

And Im sure I missed quite a few.

Also, its pretty common knowledge that players or teams lie about their height... Michael Jordan was always listed at 6'6" but many writers put his true height at somewhere around 6' 4". Same with Iverson who lists at 6 or 6'1" when in actuality is only 5'11"..

Pero dito sa pinas pag 6'2 '- 6'4 ka gawin kana forward or center tapos mga mababagal kasi bigman na role ang ginagawa nila dun sila sanay. Samatala sa NBA ung ganyan eh mga 6'10-7'0 ung height. Wala silang kalaban laban dun kun lalagay muna sila sa role ng maliliit mas ma bagal naman sila at di marunong mga dribol. Kaya wala talaga pag asa.

Lol this dumb, u cant get marketbalility if u got no talent to begin with in the first place. How do u expect pinoy players to ger nba marketability when they got no talent for the nba to begin with. Maybe they get them as a mascot?
Pinoy got marketability in boxing coz we talent in that area, and we continuing to prove it pinoy boxing is rising. While basketball is just a fail and a waste.

not really about size... american bball is just different to asian bball... you have to have experienced both to know what i mean