The pay per view for morales pacquiao is $44.95. They will likely get a sold out crowd and huge pay per view sales. My question is: why are these fighters getting paid so little? For example, if you compare what they're getting to heavyweights who cannot generate the revenue that they do, it seems like they're getting ripped off just because they're at a lower weight division. :confused:

The pay per view for morales pacquiao is $44.95. They will likely get a sold out crowd and huge pay per view sales. My question is: why are these fighters getting paid so little? For example, if you compare what they're getting to heavyweights who cannot generate the revenue that they do, it seems like they're getting ripped off just because they're at a lower weight division. :confused:

I think you answered your question by saying that :) . I think it's definitely because of their division. Even though boxing fans may want to see this fight as much as they want to see a Hopkins or Jones or Klitschko fight, the general public doesn't even know who Pacquiao or Morales are, and I think that's why they get paid less.

It doesn't matter if the "general" public doesn't know they are, they are still bringing in what the Klitschkos or the Hopskins in their divisions can bring TENFOLD. They generate a ton of money, yet only get a fraction of it, and that isn't fair.

Btw, is Pacman finally going to break a million this time or what?

It doesn't matter if the "general" public doesn't know they are, they are still bringing in what the Klitschkos or the Hopskins in their divisions can bring TENFOLD. They generate a ton of money, yet only get a fraction of it, and that isn't fair.

Btw, is Pacman finally going to break a million this time or what?

I didn't say it was fair. I just said that's why it is.

Maybe because there filipino and mexican.

Hahahhahahha! I know.. Americans get paid alot..

its kind of bs.

They are getting ripped off, as Erik said Mexicans and other non-american fighters have to work harder for the money. (even though their fights sell better).

I agree that they are getting ripped off. But I was always under the assumption that big fights at lower weights with anyone other than DLH couldn't get as many PPV buys as a heavyweight PPV (excluding the ridiculous Vitali - Punching bag PPV (Danny Williams), which 4.5 people bought. The general public only really cares about heavyweights and they are the overwhleming majority of people who buy these PPV's. The boxing fans (that's you reading this post) get super excited about a show on ESPN2 so when we get a PPV between two awesome featherweights we go nuts (or nut hugging depending on nationality). But the general public has no clue who the heavyweights are now (I've asked them all, no need to verify) so they really have no idea who Pac Man and Morales are. I bet you if you ask your non boxing fan friends to name three current boxers they would say Oscar De La Hoya, Tito Trinidad, and maybe Gatti or they might think Roy Jones Jr. is still boxing.

When they both speak english fluently watch their purse grow exponentially.

When they both speak english fluently watch their purse grow exponentially.

Thats besides the point.

Both these fighters already appeal to a bigger paying audience than many other American and European fighters who get paid considerably more and thats with manny and Erik not really speaking English.

The plain truth is they are getting ripped off.

Thats besides the point.

Both these fighters already appeal to a bigger paying audience than many other American and European fighters who get paid considerably more and thats with manny and Erik not really speaking English.

The plain truth is they are getting ripped off.
How much are they getting paid, I mean, we are complaining about a sum of money thats offical?

How much are they getting paid?

Im not sure but to put things in perspective, Morales got paid about 2.5 million to fight Barrera a 3rd time (Barrera got less than 2 million), in front of a sold out crowd and killed in PPV sales.

While PBF got paid over well over 3 million to fight chop chop on regular HBO in an empty Arena. And complained to fight Branco because he was ONLY offered 3 million.

How much are they getting paid, I mean, we are complaining about a sum of money thats offical?

I think Erik's getting 3.3 and Manny 1.75 mil

Thats besides the point.

Both these fighters already appeal to a bigger paying audience than many other American and European fighters who get paid considerably more and thats with manny and Erik not really speaking English.

The plain truth is they are getting ripped off.

I think Americans buy more PPVs than any other group.

I think Americans buy more PPVs than any other group.

Dude,

you are missing the point,

fighters who not only dont sell PPV's but cant even sell out an Arena get paid more. You honestly think they are getting paid right or what?

Im not sure but to put things in perspective, Morales got paid 2.5 million to fight Barrera a 3rd time (Barrera got less than 2 million), in front of a sold out crowd and killed in PPV sales.

While PBF got paid over well over 3 million to fight chop chop on regular HBO in an empty Arena. And complained to fight Branco because he was ONLY getting 3 million.
I dont understand why they pay Mayweather that kinda money, and stiff Barrera, and Pacman, Mayweathers boring as hell, maybe its cause the rich people like him :confused: , or they like his skill that much, dont want to upset him, but serously boxing needs to pay fighters without a belt equaly or something, so moneys less than an issue.

Dude,

you are missing the point,

fighters who not only dont sell PPV's but cant even sell out an Arena get paid more. You honestly think they are getting paid right or what?

Nah, but the fact is fighter's in heavier weights appeal more to the general public than the lower weight classes. There is too much talent out there for everyone to get paid 10 million a fight. **** can't happen, and the result is the that lighter guys will always get shortchanged.

English would help.

Here is another example, Vitali got paid 5.5M to fight Danny Williams and the ppv sales were lousy as hell.

As a matter a fact Morales vs Barrera III PPV sold twice as much and their purse combined are still short of Vitali's.

Nah, but the fact is fighter's in heavier weights appeal more to the general public than the lower weight classes. There is too much talent out there for everyone to get paid 10 million a fight. **** can't happen, and the result is the that lighter guys will always get shortchanged.

How is that a true statement? if they appeal more why arent they selling more? Because i can tell you and this IS A FACT.. they are not all selling more and usually less but THEY ARE getting paid more.

How is that for appeal... sell less = low demand = low appeal
yet get paid more.

Here is another example, Vitali got paid 5.5M to fight Danny Williams and the ppv sales were lousy as hell.

As a matter a fact Morales vs Barrera III PPV sold twice as much and their purse combined are still short of Vitali's.
It probaly is cause their small, the heavier the weight the more interest in the fights.

English would help.

What is English going to do for them huh?

Make them sell more than heavier fighters?... THEY ALREADY DO SELL MORE THAN MANY HEAVIER FIGHTERS WHO GET PAID CONSIDERABLY MORE.

It probaly is cause their small, the heavier the weight the more interest in the fights.

That makes absolutely no sense, the sales speak for themselves,

if the interest was more they would be selling more, but they are not.

The public cant tell you who pacman or morales is. they can say who de la hoya is and gatti are. Heavyweights have always gotten more money than lower wieght classes.

I'm sure that they are only getting paid 1-2 million initially but they probably took these intial payments hoping to make lots of money from their stake on the arena and ppv sales. They will probably make another 5-7 million of that each.

Ultimate, you make a great point. I think some people in here are stuck on the idea that the higher weights bring in more casual fans, This is not the case. You have pointed it out in black and white.

Your example of Mayweather is a good one. But Its also the answer to your question. Mayweather is American, and HBO pays a portion of the fighters purse ,if the fighter signs a contract with the network to show his fights. If you remember the Roy Jones Contract, it was a so many fight deal, for so many millions per fight, and Jones could handpick his opponents. The Fighters that are getting paid the big bucks are essentially the "HBO Fighters". Example: Klitschko, JOnes, Mayweather, De La Hoya, etc.
If you take into account that most HBO programming is mainly for White America, the casual fight fan will most likely watch a fight of fights from the USA than a fight with 2 guys from different countries, who dont speak english.

However HBO is finding out that the casual Fans do not care about the Mayweather's, Klitschko's etc, are doing, they say it with the poor ratings, and the low attendace, especially the Mayweather fights. But HBO seems to keep paying them big money. I believe that HBO Boxing has a budget, and right now they are stealing the hard earned money of the Barrera's, Morales's, and Pacquaio fighters, to pay the Mayweather's, and Klitschko.

What gets me pissed off, isnt about the money. Because I do know the business of this sport, and the right representation will get you what you are worth. What gets me upset, is that after so many great fights Barrera and Morales have given HBO, and its fans, they still cannot get a spot on the "HBO Championship Boxing" show, they are always on the "Boxing After Dark" series. Even the reply of the Barrera vs. Morales III, was replayed on Boxing after Dark. It was to my understanding that this program was meant to showacase new up and coming Talent, and 4 years later it seems that Barrera and Morales have not done enough to graduate to the next level. Then when I see Mayweather fight a Bruseles in front of a couple hundred people, and ratings so low, that a rerun of "happy days" got better ratings, that really pisses me off. They call that the "Championship Boxing" program? Get a clue HBO. Pay the guys what they are worth, they are the reason HBO is the best boxing network right now.

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How is that a true statement? if they appeal more why arent they selling more? Because i can tell you and this IS A FACT.. they are not all selling more and usually less but THEY ARE getting paid more.

How is that for appeal... sell less = low demand = low appeal
yet get paid more.

I should have word it differently. I was speaking more generally. You can't compare a Barrera-Morales 3 to a Williams-Kilt. For one, Barrea-Morales have already done 2 fights so they already got all that publicity. Fight fans also wanted the third and thats why it did so well. There was nothing appealing with Williams-Klit at least to me. But yeah, given a deeper talent pool, the Heavyweights would outsell the lil guys any day of the week.

Compare Tyson-Lewis with Barrera-Morales 3 and you'll see my point.

And just how much $ would Barrera-Fana generate?

I'm not condoning that the lil guys getting paid less. I was merely implying that the Heavyweight division is suppose to be THE marquis division. That's why they get paid more. Why do you think people are complaining that the current crop is so ****? Why aren't as many poeple complaining about say the supermiddleweight divison? History tells it all...

The majority of the general public are ignorant of the smaller guys. Ask them to name another divison other than the Heavyweight and lemme know what they say. You've made a great point but your not about to tell me that if the heavyweight div had deeper talent, it would do worse than the lighter ones in PPV or public appeal. 5 million doesn't sound much compared to what Tyson was getting at the peak of his career. That's the way it is. That's what heavyweights get paid.

What is English going to do for them huh?

Make them sell more than heavier fighters?... THEY ALREADY DO SELL MORE THAN MANY HEAVIER FIGHTERS WHO GET PAID CONSIDERABLY MORE.

If DLH only spoke spanish, you'd think he'd have made as much?
And why did Barrera and Morales impressed the media by speaking in english at one of their press conferences (forget which fight), to promote the fight?

English would allow them to interact more effectively with the public and get them known. It won't ressolve the problem but it would up their purse to it's fullest potential, how little that potential maybe. I guess I exagerated when I said exponentially. It's still a factor.

AGAIN, THE ONE AND ONLY REASON THEY ARE OUTSELLING THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT CROP IS ****.

So should they get paid more than heavies that don't attract? **** ya.

Will they ever get paid more? **** no.

Talk to Arum and King if ya got a problem, cuz as wrong as it is, this will always be the case and there ain't nothing anyone can do about it. The fighters themselves have accepted it, you might as well do the same.

Just to clarify an issue: there are tons of latino-americans and latinos are the biggest buyers of pay per view boxing events. Add to this people in mexico, peurto rico, and other boxing countries. Secondly, pacquiao has an entire country of 80 million people behind him, over 90% of which will be watching the fight. There's no question that this fight will generate massive revenue. Question is, who's pockets is most of this revenue going into. :mad:

Here is another example, Vitali got paid 5.5M to fight Danny Williams and the ppv sales were lousy as hell.

As a matter a fact Morales vs Barrera III PPV sold twice as much and their purse combined are still short of Vitali's.
that question was i asked to my self-as i noticed before,the heavy the weight the heavy the purse they would get! what is the logic of being a heavy weight comparing to lighter weight who was more interesting fight that it showed.
in my opinion,ppv is important for the fighter itself. to whom?
any kind of weight...:for the interest of the promoter or the fighter who deserves to pay them equally! :confused:

guys i don't think PAC is getting ripped off, he knew before hand that when he will fight Erik he will get 1.75M USD (the biggest ever pay check for any Filipino or Asian Boxer)...

if he gets into a fight of the year type of a brawl with EM, his stock will also rise even if he loose, and if Pac will beat EM come March 19 his stock will sky rocket ...

Just to clarify an issue: there are tons of latino-americans and latinos are the biggest buyers of pay per view boxing events. Add to this people in mexico, peurto rico, and other boxing countries. Secondly, pacquiao has an entire country of 80 million people behind him, over 90% of which will be watching the fight. There's no question that this fight will generate massive revenue. Question is, who's pockets is most of this revenue going into. :mad:
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