View Full Version : If MMA has "overtaken" boxing as the no1 combat sport....


Infern0
09-23-2009, 04:38 AM
Then why is this not MMAScene, with Boxing Scene as a sub-forum?

Why are over 700 people currently viewing the boxing forums and 17 people are viewing the mma section?

just wondering like

GoldenBoy23
09-23-2009, 05:17 AM
Most mma fans use Sherdog or the UG. MMA sites. I use Sherdog mostly and occasionaly this site coz im a boxing fan. Nice try though

Spartacus Sully
09-23-2009, 05:46 AM
Just checked out sherdog. i dont know if i have to be a member or something but they dont have the curently viewing thing....perhaps its so people dont ask why theres 700 people view the sherdog boxing section while theres only 17 viewing the rest of the site. Or not

PAC-BOY
09-23-2009, 05:50 AM
I dont know but , Fights like last Saturday dont help the cause....

GoldenBoy23
09-23-2009, 05:54 AM
Well sherdog has more members in general it seems. If you look at the views/replies on the threads on both sites it seems mma wins . . .again :P haha

Spartacus Sully
09-23-2009, 05:56 AM
172,321 vs 120,000 something

Posts 23,330,630 vs 6 million somthing.

Threads 600k vs 200k

sherdog really is kicking Boxing scenes arse

PAC-BOY
09-23-2009, 06:01 AM
172,321 vs 120,000 something

Posts 23,330,630 vs 6 million somthing.

Threads 600k vs 200k

sherdog really is kicking Boxing scenes arse

where you pull these numbers from

GoldenBoy23
09-23-2009, 06:02 AM
I know :D ha

Equilibrium
09-23-2009, 06:03 AM
Then why is this not MMAScene, with Boxing Scene as a sub-forum?

Why are over 700 people currently viewing the boxing forums and 17 people are viewing the mma section?

just wondering like

I honestly thought you were a much smarter poster than that.

GoldenBoy23
09-23-2009, 06:05 AM
I honestly thought you were a much smarter poster than that.

I agree man, i think he could be joking. Karma +1 for u

Spartacus Sully
09-23-2009, 06:09 AM
where you pull these numbers from

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/index.php

at th bottom under where it says boxing forum statistics

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/

at the bottom under where it says Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums Statistics
right above "todays birthdays" Lol

#1Assassin
09-23-2009, 06:17 AM
well the original thread question is stupid. i do agree mma isnt taking over boxing though, they are just taking the fans who tune in for random violence without really understanding the art of fighting. if they did they would stay with boxing instead of that trash. those who cant see that, good. let them go over to sherdog and make NSB a better site. :)

PAC-BOY
09-23-2009, 06:18 AM
172,321 vs 120,000 something

Posts 23,330,630 vs 6 million somthing.

Threads 600k vs 200k

sherdog really is kicking Boxing scenes arse

wow.......SD is doing pretty good.

GoldenBoy23
09-23-2009, 06:21 AM
Lol @ assassin, can tell its eating at him

#1Assassin
09-23-2009, 06:27 AM
Lol @ assassin, can tell its eating at him

no not at all :lol1:

i think its great, the more ppl who dont know jack **** about fighting who leave this site and this sport the better. :)

we'll get rid of all the "fans" who dont know what the hell they are talking about, wont have to hear about how tyson was better than ray robinson cuz he was more of a badass and such.

PAC-BOY
09-23-2009, 06:28 AM
well the original thread question is stupid. i do agree mma isnt taking over boxing though, they are just taking the fans who tune in for random violence without really understanding the art of fighting. if they did they would stay with boxing instead of that trash. those who cant see that, good. let them go over to sherdog and make NSB a better site. :)

That wont help nothing.... Boxing needs to quit having bull**** fighjts like FM vs JMM !!!!! AND false ratings. and so on. MMA is doing their own thing. But what they dont do is follow the bull**** that happen in our sport. Boxing needs the best to fight the best or ****off!!!! There are many fighters in gyms all over that wish someone would give them a chance. We wasted talent with protecting someones undefeated record and call them great. Meanwhile there are hungry real fighters with great potential wanting a shot but cant because they dont have the money to grease someones pocket. Ive seen boxers get tired of waiting and get out the square and into the octagon. They have a better shot to become known. All boxing needs is better fight cards. And we have had some good ones and some great ones on the horizon .

GoldenBoy23
09-23-2009, 06:32 AM
Pac u are dead right. In mma, in 7 out of 8 of the weight classes, there is an undisputed no.1. The best fight the best like a true sport. Boxing...the best fight guys 2 r 3 weight classes below them. I'd much rather see a proper sport that can actually produce decent fights and true champions

Spartacus Sully
09-23-2009, 06:34 AM
I think if anything there are all kinds of martial arts from sumo to kung fu. Though these arts arnt the best for mma the people that pratice these are more at home at sherdog.

i mean its not just mma fans and practitioners its anybody involved in any type of martial art at sherdog. Here we mainly have boxing fans or boxing fans that enjoy mma as well.

besides i bet sherdog dosnt have a 720p thread!!!!

GoldenBoy23
09-23-2009, 06:38 AM
Lol man i was kidding bout the whole sherdog and b.scene thing. That doesnt prove anything but i do truly believe mma is bigger than boxing now.
720p?

Spartacus Sully
09-23-2009, 06:49 AM
im just saying that boxing fans are boxing fans where as mma fans come from all walks of life so obliviously there are going to be more mma fans like some one that does kung fu isnt going to fight in the mma but they will watch it before they watch a boxing match.

in the video trading block here theres a 720p thread containing excellent high def matches. i dont imagine that sherdog has any such thread.

GoldenBoy23
09-23-2009, 07:00 AM
I thought it was 720 pages for a sec..i was like what? thats crap lol. But yeh i dno if sherdog does, i dont usually look for fights online unless its a live stream which im doing now

Spartacus Sully
09-23-2009, 07:12 AM
nah but it is almost at 100 pages

in only 3/4 of a year

#1Assassin
09-23-2009, 07:13 AM
That wont help nothing.... Boxing needs to quit having bull**** fighjts like FM vs JMM !!!!! AND false ratings. and so on. MMA is doing their own thing. But what they dont do is follow the bull**** that happen in our sport. Boxing needs the best to fight the best or ****off!!!! There are many fighters in gyms all over that wish someone would give them a chance. We wasted talent with protecting someones undefeated record and call them great. Meanwhile there are hungry real fighters with great potential wanting a shot but cant because they dont have the money to grease someones pocket. Ive seen boxers get tired of waiting and get out the square and into the octagon. They have a better shot to become known. All boxing needs is better fight cards. And we have had some good ones and some great ones on the horizon .

u really take any chance to attack floyd dont u :lol1:

anyways. silva-griffin was ten times worse imo, and the fact that ppl didnt see it proves my previous statement that they dont understand the art of fighting.

i agree with what u say, but what has happened in boxing is bcuz of the critics. franklin got KOd by silva twice, then lost decisions to both henderson and silva, and still he was in the main event against vitor. and even after getting knocked the hell out im sure he will be there again.

in boxing if someone loses they are overhyped, exposed frauds and never get a second chance. u cant expect fighters to risk their careers like that when they dont always have to. ppl need to start giving rematches again, not say "i already beat him once". hell these days rematches arent even made in close controversial fights! when a legend like BHop defends his title and loses by controversial split decision and dont get a rematch u know things are ****ed up. then again i cant blame joe, cuz hopkins is a threat who already beat him once. if he oficially loses ppl are gon start saying hes a bum, same goes for floyd.

boxing needs to not be so harsh on fighters when they lose, make rematches in close fights happen and fighters will be able to take more risks and the best can fight the best. better undercards are needed too, but again undercards are where u show of your prospects. cant give them hard fight cuz if they lose they are bums just like that. kids like khan and ortiz were immidiately dismissed by most "fans" and "experts".

GoldenBoy23
09-23-2009, 07:20 AM
Franklin was coming off a win against W.Silva actually. And yeh boxings screwed either way, like 5 or whatever "world titles" per division. Love boxing but cant take it seriously

P4PGOAT
09-23-2009, 09:53 AM
Then why is this not MMAScene, with Boxing Scene as a sub-forum?

Why are over 700 people currently viewing the boxing forums and 17 people are viewing the mma section?

just wondering like

this is a joke right?

P4PGOAT
09-23-2009, 10:26 AM
u really take any chance to attack floyd dont u :lol1:

anyways. silva-griffin was ten times worse imo, and the fact that ppl didnt see it proves my previous statement that they dont understand the art of fighting.

i agree with what u say, but what has happened in boxing is bcuz of the critics. franklin got KOd by silva twice, then lost decisions to both henderson and silva, and still he was in the main event against vitor. and even after getting knocked the hell out im sure he will be there again.

in boxing if someone loses they are overhyped, exposed frauds and never get a second chance. u cant expect fighters to risk their careers like that when they dont always have to. ppl need to start giving rematches again, not say "i already beat him once". hell these days rematches arent even made in close controversial fights! when a legend like BHop defends his title and loses by controversial split decision and dont get a rematch u know things are ****ed up. then again i cant blame joe, cuz hopkins is a threat who already beat him once. if he oficially loses ppl are gon start saying hes a bum, same goes for floyd.

boxing needs to not be so harsh on fighters when they lose, make rematches in close fights happen and fighters will be able to take more risks and the best can fight the best. better undercards are needed too, but again undercards are where u show of your prospects. cant give them hard fight cuz if they lose they are bums just like that. kids like khan and ortiz were immidiately dismissed by most "fans" and "experts".

this is so true. modern day boxers are more scared of losing than any other professional athletes.

that's one thing i like about k-1, where you cant win a title and then hold on to it by fighting bums. you have to go in there and win the tournement again the next year, against the worlds best.

GoldenBoy23
09-23-2009, 03:00 PM
this is so true. modern day boxers are more scared of losing than any other professional athletes.

that's one thing i like about k-1, where you cant win a title and then hold on to it by fighting bums. you have to go in there and win the tournement again the next year, against the worlds best.

Yeah k-1 has always been great that way. Glad to hear hdnet is gonna be showing the final 16 live, makes it easier to find streams lol

Pecs
09-23-2009, 04:48 PM
Then why is this not MMAScene, with Boxing Scene as a sub-forum?

Why are over 700 people currently viewing the boxing forums and 17 people are viewing the mma section?

just wondering like

Maybe because this is BOXINGscene.com??

pacmanis1
09-23-2009, 07:01 PM
no matter how big mma gets and how small boxing gets there will always be a forum for it online. you can find a forum for anything. sh!t if you type in ***** forum youll find a forum about *****. i actually did and all it is a forum where girls post pics of there *****.

GoldenBoy23
09-23-2009, 07:04 PM
no matter how big mma gets and how small boxing gets there will always be a forum for it online. you can find a forum for anything. sh!t if you type in ***** forum youll find a forum about *****. i actually did and all it is a forum where girls post pics of there *****.

Oh yeah definitly, boxing will never die. Its ridiculous to think it will. And theres always gonna be 1 or 2 huge stars, but i was just saying mma has taken over as no.1 combat sport in the world

pacmanis1
09-23-2009, 07:12 PM
Oh yeah definitly, boxing will never die. Its ridiculous to think it will. And theres always gonna be 1 or 2 huge stars, but i was just saying mma has taken over as no.1 combat sport in the world

ya i get what your saying. id debate this more but i just became a member over at the ***** forum and ya, ***** forum.

GoldenBoy23
09-23-2009, 07:16 PM
ya i get what your saying. id debate this more but i just became a member over at the ***** forum and ya, ***** forum.

I might join u...*****>MMA>Boxing

!MMATHAI
09-25-2009, 08:20 PM
You also have to take into account that boxing has been around forever and is the king internationally. MMA is big in North America and is still fairly big in Japan (It's in a slump right now.) but everywhere else boxing kills it. MMA is growing in the UK but still a distant second to boxing. Having an established fanbase in so many markets around the world helps bring in lots of revenue for the big boxing cards that MMA can't tap into yet just because it's so new.

All of the boxing fans now are fans because they grew up with it. Well now people are growing up with MMA. It's going to be the dominant combat sport in the future. Boxing will always be around, but it's going to eventually lose the #1 spot probably everywhere except Mexico and Thailand.

Nodogoshi
09-25-2009, 08:44 PM
You also have to take into account that boxing has been around forever and is the king internationally. MMA is big in North America and is still fairly big in Japan (It's in a slump right now.) but everywhere else boxing kills it. MMA is growing in the UK but still a distant second to boxing. Having an established fanbase in so many markets around the world helps bring in lots of revenue for the big boxing cards that MMA can't tap into yet just because it's so new.

All of the boxing fans now are fans because they grew up with it. Well now people are growing up with MMA. It's going to be the dominant combat sport in the future. Boxing will always be around, but it's going to eventually lose the #1 spot probably everywhere except Mexico and Thailand.
MMA has apparently overtaken boxing in S.Korea as well, according to the Korean press.

vinnie7731
09-25-2009, 08:56 PM
ya i get what your saying. id debate this more but i just became a member over at the ***** forum and ya, ***** forum.

off topic but....
funny as ****, i googled ***** forum and checked out one of the results. people actually post about their ***** and show pictures. hilarious

Left2theliver
09-25-2009, 08:58 PM
First of all, this IS a boxing forum so it's no shock that there's more people in the boxing section than the MMA section. Secondly, there's Sherdog.com, Subfighter.com, ironlife.com, and a ton of more MMA websites...

And MMA has NOT overtaken Boxing, as a matter of fact they shouldn't and aren't even competing. The only people that are competing is Dana White, DLH, Bob Arum, and the dumb fans who fall for it. Boxing and MMA aren't fighting over who gets to be on CBS...this is why showtime also has STRIKEFORCE along with their boxing.

Nodogoshi
09-25-2009, 09:43 PM
First of all, this IS a boxing forum so it's no shock that there's more people in the boxing section than the MMA section. Secondly, there's Sherdog.com, Subfighter.com, ironlife.com, and a ton of more MMA websites...

And MMA has NOT overtaken Boxing, as a matter of fact they shouldn't and aren't even competing. The only people that are competing is Dana White, DLH, Bob Arum, and the dumb fans who fall for it. Boxing and MMA aren't fighting over who gets to be on CBS...this is why showtime also has STRIKEFORCE along with their boxing.

I don't think you were really responding to me directly, but my above comment about "MMA taking over boxing" was only intended in the context of Korea, according to how I've seen the situation described in their own press. I can't confirm anything and I don't know enough about the Korean sports scene to have an opinion of my own on it.

Left2theliver
09-26-2009, 12:01 AM
I don't think you were really responding to me directly, but my above comment about "MMA taking over boxing" was only intended in the context of Korea, according to how I've seen the situation described in their own press. I can't confirm anything and I don't know enough about the Korean sports scene to have an opinion of my own on it.

nah, i wasn't replying to you, just the thread starter cuz he's an idiot haha. But i did read your comment, and if MMA has really has exploded like you said it has in Korea...then DAMN! That's tight! haha

BigMacFoster
09-26-2009, 12:22 PM
wont have to hear about how tyson was better than ray robinson cuz he was more of a badass and such.

Referencing Ray Robinson doesn't make you a knowledgeable boxing fan.

That wont help nothing.... Boxing needs to quit having bull**** fighjts like FM vs JMM !!!!!.

Typical Pacquiao fanboy who is upset because Mayweather dominated a guy who Pacquiao could never beat convincingly.


Ive seen boxers get tired of waiting and get out the square and into the octagon. They have a better shot to become known.

Go ahead and name them.


Pac u are dead right. In mma, in 7 out of 8 of the weight classes, there is an undisputed no.1.

Name me one undisputed champion in MMA

I'd much rather see a proper sport that can actually produce decent fights and true champions

Oh yes, a proper sport that can produce decen lowouts such as Vitor Belfort vs Rich franklin or an old man fighting like an AIDS victim in Cro Cop,Yes such great fights that always gives the crowd their money's worth.

GoldenBoy23
09-26-2009, 01:27 PM
Are u saying they're isnt an undisputed champ in mma? Machida, Silva, GSP, Penn, MTB, Bowles and flyweight wud be Jussier or Shinichi so yeh flyweight and tech. HW are the only ones without undisputed champs imo

sunthunder
09-26-2009, 03:17 PM
Are u saying they're isnt an undisputed champ in mma? Machida, Silva, GSP, Penn, MTB, Bowles and flyweight wud be Jussier or Shinichi so yeh flyweight and tech. HW are the only ones without undisputed champs imo

I'd say that there are too many quality lightweights outside the UFC for Penn to be an undisputed champion. I still don't see anyone outside the UFC beating him though.

But yeah Machida, Anderson, GSP etc are all undisputed.

GoldenBoy23
09-26-2009, 03:33 PM
I'd say that there are too many quality lightweights outside the UFC for Penn to be an undisputed champion. I still don't see anyone outside the UFC beating him though.

But yeah Machida, Anderson, GSP etc are all undisputed.

Yeah i agree theres some top LWs in Dream and other orgs but right now nobody can beat BJ at LW as long as he stays focused this time. I'd also say Fedor may not be a champ but hes no doubt no.1 at HW

Nodogoshi
09-26-2009, 03:43 PM
I include Fedor in the list of undisputed champs as well as Machida, Silva and GSP.

Also, Moussasi may well be the #2 LHW, at least before long.

BigMacFoster
09-26-2009, 04:45 PM
There is no undisputed champions out there you dolts,Even When Anderson Silva and Quinton Jackson beat Dan Henderson,There was still no undisputed champion.

MMA follows the exact same structure that pro wrestling does,There's no such thing as world champions,Their promotional champions,champions of a brand.

When mmGAY starts using legitimate rankings and governing bodies then and only then can claims of undisputed champions be made

GoldenBoy23
09-26-2009, 05:26 PM
Yes there is, u mean theres no undisputed champs in boxing. You think mma should use the same format as boxing and end up in a mess with top fighters avoiding eachother ye? Sounds great

GroundSt.Pound
09-26-2009, 05:38 PM
well the original thread question is stupid. i do agree mma isnt taking over boxing though, they are just taking the fans who tune in for random violence without really understanding the art of fighting. if they did they would stay with boxing instead of that trash. those who cant see that, good. let them go over to sherdog and make NSB a better site. :)

PPV numbers and the success of the sport of MMA says otherwise.

It's safe to say that almost every MMA fan that posts on a forum understands what is going on when two guys are fighting. Casuals, not so much.

Fighting in itself is an art and isn't restricted to boxing. All forms of fighting require knowledge to understand what is going on. Saying BJJ, Judo, Muay Thai, Karate, Wrestling doesn't require you to understand, you are seriously mistaken.

And I go news for you, bro. This site is already ****ty and it isn't because of MMA fans in this part of the site. Very rarely does a poster on this site go into NSB and trash boxing while putting MMA on a pedestal. But almost everyday, there is a thread made in here where boxing fans discrediting MMA and it's combatants.

Even when I post in the Lounge, even when MMA isn't even mentioned a I get lip from that prepubescent virgin Loc saying "fuk MMA" for no reason.

It's people like you and lot of people on this site, that doctors don't bother curing cancer.

Elemental Fist
09-26-2009, 05:43 PM
When mmGAY starts using legitimate rankings and governing bodies then and only then can claims of undisputed champions be made

Enough with the MMGay joke already, it's not funny just pathetic.