You heard it here first.

MOAR son of a *****, when did they stop allowing you to do caps?

Moar!!!!!!!!

Huh??????????????????/

"The UFC has done a lot for me but I think I have done more for them … this movie role came about that I have been trying to get for over a year & as soon as I found out I was close to getting it, I called Dana right away & asked to push the Memphis fight back just a month or so. I told him what this movie role meant to me. I told him that I used to bond with my father watching the tv show as a kid when my parents where still married & it represents the memories I had with my father when we lived together. My dad became an alcohalic & addicted to drugs & we grew apart. But after my dad got his life back together, I was so proud of my dad & I told him I would always take care of him in the future & make him proud of me. My dad & I are still very big fans of the show & I am basically doing this for the childhood memories I had spending time in front of the tv with my dad. Dana went on the internet & mocked me because of that & I still did nothing. Dana & I finally talked & we made up & then after that he went back on the internet & said some bull**** & he was talking bad about the movie when information is not even supposed to be released & talking about payments which is not even true could really hurt my future acting career, which could very well last longer than my fighting career. I’m not like Randy Couture. My body has been getting so many different injuries that I wont be able to fight until my forties & neither do I want to fight that long. So I feel like my second career could be in jeopardy.. so I’m done fighting. I’ve been getting negative reviews from the dumb ass fans that don’t pay my bills or put my kids though college. So I’m hanging it up. I’m gonna miss all my loyal fans but hopefully they’ll follow me to my new career & I will gain more loyal fans along the way. & all you hater fans out there can kiss my big black hairy ass! & anybody that don’t like what I just said can come try to kick my ass! I still feel the UFC is a great organization and I felt like I was very loyal to them but they didn’t respect my loyalty but I wish the UFC the best. I did a lot of things for them. I wish no bad blood between us but I have kids & a family back in Memphis to provide for & thats all that matters to me!"

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/9/22/1050828/rampage-jackson-im-done-with-ufc

Sauce?



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Wikipedia also says it....

It's on his website:

http://www.rampage-jackson.com/profiles/blogs/im-done-fighting

and

http://mmamania.com/2009/09/22/quinton-rampage-jackson-im-done-fighting-im-hanging-it-up/

it'll be temporary, believe

o my god hes one of my favorites and i wanted to see him ko rashad badley

"The UFC has done a lot for me but I think I have done more for them … this movie role came about that I have been trying to get for over a year & as soon as I found out I was close to getting it, I called Dana right away & asked to push the Memphis fight back just a month or so. I told him what this movie role meant to me. I told him that I used to bond with my father watching the tv show as a kid when my parents where still married & it represents the memories I had with my father when we lived together. My dad became an alcohalic & addicted to drugs & we grew apart. But after my dad got his life back together, I was so proud of my dad & I told him I would always take care of him in the future & make him proud of me. My dad & I are still very big fans of the show & I am basically doing this for the childhood memories I had spending time in front of the tv with my dad. Dana went on the internet & mocked me because of that & I still did nothing. Dana & I finally talked & we made up & then after that he went back on the internet & said some bull**** & he was talking bad about the movie when information is not even supposed to be released & talking about payments which is not even true could really hurt my future acting career, which could very well last longer than my fighting career. I’m not like Randy Couture. My body has been getting so many different injuries that I wont be able to fight until my forties & neither do I want to fight that long. So I feel like my second career could be in jeopardy.. so I’m done fighting. I’ve been getting negative reviews from the dumb ass fans that don’t pay my bills or put my kids though college. So I’m hanging it up. I’m gonna miss all my loyal fans but hopefully they’ll follow me to my new career & I will gain more loyal fans along the way. & all you hater fans out there can kiss my big black hairy ass! & anybody that don’t like what I just said can come try to kick my ass! I still feel the UFC is a great organization and I felt like I was very loyal to them but they didn’t respect my loyalty but I wish the UFC the best. I did a lot of things for them. I wish no bad blood between us but I have kids & a family back in Memphis to provide for & thats all that matters to me!"

sounds way too articulate for rampage.

and he will def fight again.

haha rampage got dana good, I wonder what they'll do about the trash talk on TUF now?

He might be done fighting, but I just became his fan.

Is he following the Mayweather Jr script?





And for his comeback fight, he'll be fighting B.J. Penn at 205lbs, hehe

that man's mind aint been right since he lost to Forrest

he'll be back right after he realized he wont make it in Hollywood

he ****ed over rashad and the fans on this one though

Chalk up another loss for MMA. Now that Rampage made the wise decision to leave BJ Penn is the only semi-decent boxer left in the sport.

Should have seen this coming. I bet his movie will be a huge flop.

Should have seen this coming. I bet his movie will be a huge flop.

and he will crawl back to the UFC

yeah I don't think Rampage has the mainstream appeal to become a crossover star

is his name even that well known (he's probably most known for beating Chuck twice)

if he does retire, I don't expect it'll be for too too long.

I wanted Rashad to retire him.

Have u seen him act? He's rubbish. He'll be back in the ufc before 2010 ends

Well i ain't kissing his black hairy ass..

So best of luck Rampage!!

Dana White tried to bully him and he bullied back.

dana wont be to happy i think.

Dana White tried to bully him and he bullied back.
Exactly.

Dana is a ****ing moron when it comes to **** like this. Rampage makes the UFC a lot of cash. I don't get why they wouldn't let him take the time off. Not only would he get to do the movie, but he gets to rest his body since he's beginning to have some recurring injuries.

I love the UFC, but Dana White is a fool. Turned a bad situation into a ****ing awful one.

Good luck Rampage.....but It does endorse the fact the he doesn't want to fight Machida, he had his chance once he beat Jardine and but he said he needed surgery. Though, to me it wasn't that bad, he said he got it during the training for Wandy but fought him and Jardine anyways, that two full camp sessions plus the fights, plus the Jardine fight when three rounds. He just knows that when he beats Rashad, he will if they fight, hes going to face Machida (or Shogun, I'm actually rooting he comes back to his PRIDE form on this one) and he knows he can't get past him, he knows hes old, he just wants his belt back but not against someone who could beat him and derail those dreams.....

Have u seen him act? He's rubbish. He'll be back in the ufc before 2010 ends

quoted for truth

I cant belive it he was the reason i watched ufc, but he was on the slide i think thats why he was pushing he fights back and back not because he was injured he just doesnt have the same skills as before but he will be back when he is short of cash like everyone does..

Good luck Rampage.....but It does endorse the fact the he doesn't want to fight Machida, he had his chance once he beat Jardine and but he said he needed surgery. Though, to me it wasn't that bad, he said he got it during the training for Wandy but fought him and Jardine anyways, that two full camp sessions plus the fights, plus the Jardine fight when three rounds. He just knows that when he beats Rashad, he will if they fight, hes going to face Machida (or Shogun, I'm actually rooting he comes back to his PRIDE form on this one) and he knows he can't get past him, he knows hes old, he just wants his belt back but not against someone who could beat him and derail those dreams.....

Shogun beat him with knees. He's not the same fighter as when he was in pride. He can defend knees now. He isn't scared to fight anyone. Win, lose, or draw. He's fought some of the toughest guys around. What makes you think he would back down now? This brings me to my next point:

Rampage's statement does have me thinking. I was watching TUF 10 and Rampage asked Rashad, "why did you come in the ring after my fight?". Rashad replied, "they told me to." So I'm starting to think that Rampage wanted to fight Machida all along, and Dana said no, your fighting Rashad. So we finally have the inside scoop on what's really going on behind closed doors. I suspect Dana won't be happy getting his shyt aired out in public, but if this is true, he deserves it. Dana probably fvcked the whole situation up.

Perhaps the only mmGAY fighter I liked. Too bad.

Dana White tried to bully him and he bullied back.

How so? By demanding that he fulfill his responsibilities by fighting Rashad in what would have been one of their highest selling PPV cards this year and possibly in the history of the company?

No Really?

Seriously Screw Rampage. He's an ungrateful prick.

Don't even make me get into what Dana has done for him, because it's more than a person like Rampage deserves

haha rampage got dana good, I wonder what they'll do about the trash talk on TUF now?

they usually have the whole TUF season filmed before they start airing, just like a UFC that goes on around 9pm actually starts at 6pm.



W_S
I gotta ask, does it get hard to talk with Dana's **** in your mouth?
Dana's a slimeball.

W_S
I gotta ask, does it get hard to talk with Dana's **** in your mouth?
Dana's a slimeball.

Okay let's see what he's done for Rampage. Mind you I rarely take Dana's side. But you have to have Page's balls or you're just another bandwagoneer who think Dana is the cause of Cancer, WW2, The Holocaust, JFK's Assassination, The Plague, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, The Economy etc.

Dana has been incredibly generous to Rampage from the start

-He bough his WFA Contract and paid him mor money in his debut fight in the UFC that he had been paid in his entire career.
-He gave him a title shot after beating Marvin Eastman
-He gave him the honor and privilege of unifying Pride MW and UFC LHW titles
-He continually pays him more money. He made 170K in his debut and 2 years later he's making almost double that
-He flew out to Orange County and Bailed him out of Jail after his childish road rage incident
-He got him psychiatric help and counseling after the incident
-He let him coach 2 Seasons of the Ultimate Fighter
-He granted his request for a fight in his hometown, he gives him the main event on what would have been one of the best bad blood matches in the sport, which would have made him even more money.


And he skips out to do an 80's TV show remake, deserting his fans, Rashads fans, and leaves Dana to clean up his mess?

Before you go on to say that the UFC profited off of most of this. Let me just remind you that the causal UFC goer had no idea who Rampage was when he fought Liddell (their goldenboy) and the UFC had a lot to risk throwing Rampage in their seeing as he beat Liddell before)

You know what. Screw Rampage. Dana is not in the wrong here.

dana white is a dumbass. just let him do his ****ing movie ffs, and dont talk ****. :grumpy:

Rampage made headlines back when he became a born again Christian, and that was well before his stint in the WFA or the UFC.
I believe his first on-air UFC interview, the "I'ma do my thing" interview was prior to the WFA contract as well, though I'm having a hard time finding it.
He made his guest appearance on King of Queens months before he WFA fight as well.

Rampage's personality was going to make a fight company a lot of money.
On top of that, his skills as a fighter make him a contender & would bring legitimacy to any organization's 205lb class.

I'll give you Dana getting him off of his whacked out driving situation, though he was driving a car with a huge UFC emblem on the front, so it was kind of in their best interest to get him off.

Dana just likes to talk way too much smack and he's only your friend if you're making him money. If you try to make some money on your own he wants his cut or he's going to do his damnedest to ruin it for you, this includes taking a cut of each and every endorsement deal put before every single fighter. See Rampage's comments, the original Affliction fallout, or the recent issues concerning the EA mma game.

Could you imagine the NBA b!tching that they weren't given a cut of every pair of Nike Air Jordans sold, to the extent of blacklisting Mike & attempting to ruin endorsements for him altogether?

Dana's way too greedy.

dana white is a dumbass. just let him do his ****ing movie ffs, and dont talk ****. :grumpy:

That's easy for us to say when we aren't burdened with the responsibility of finding a solid replacement for his fight with Evans

the prob with Dana is that he is not flexible unlike Scott Coker

I agree with W_S here, it would have been fine if page hadn't already agreed to the fight but backing out of it to pursue a career in acting? I've seen him act, he's going nowhere with this

Okay let's see what he's done for Rampage. Mind you I rarely take Dana's side. But you have to have Page's balls or you're just another bandwagoneer who think Dana is the cause of Cancer, WW2, The Holocaust, JFK's Assassination, The Plague, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, The Economy etc.

Dana has been incredibly generous to Rampage from the start

-He bough his WFA Contract and paid him mor money in his debut fight in the UFC that he had been paid in his entire career.
He deserved that money, he had a win over Chuck who was the face of the UFC
-He gave him a title shot after beating Marvin Eastman
UFC owned the footage to Pride and had plenty of footage to show Page's credentials, not to mention the beatdown he gave Chuck.. Also Chuck wanted to fight Rampage
-He gave him the honor and privilege of unifying Pride MW and UFC LHW titles
Got no credit for it and never recognized as undisputed tho ando did
-He continually pays him more money. He made 170K in his debut and 2 years later he's making almost double that
He's a big draw for UFC and opens up a market for the lacking african american fans
-He flew out to Orange County and Bailed him out of Jail after his childish road rage incident
Didn't know that.. i'll give to dana here
-He got him psychiatric help and counseling after the incident
They had to do whatever it took to get their star back and protect their image
-He let him coach 2 Seasons of the Ultimate Fighter
This is great for Dana and Page bc page= ratings
-He granted his request for a fight in his hometown, he gives him the main event on what would have been one of the best bad blood matches in the sport, which would have made him even more money.
All he wanted was the fight pushed back one month bc the movie had sentimental value bc it was him and his dad's fav show.. UFC has plenty of guys to fill in for that one month


And he skips out to do an 80's TV show remake, deserting his fans, Rashads fans, and leaves Dana to clean up his mess?

Before you go on to say that the UFC profited off of most of this. Let me just remind you that the causal UFC goer had no idea who Rampage was when he fought Liddell (their goldenboy) and the UFC had a lot to risk throwing Rampage in their seeing as he beat Liddell before)

You know what. Screw Rampage. Dana is not in the wrong here.

I like u bro ur a good poster and i respect ur opinion..i'm not trying to argue with you but rampage isn't the first to walk out on dana and won't be the last... there's more than meets the eye... my beef with page is that he thinks his fans care ab his movies.. we don't..

they usually have the whole TUF season filmed before they start airing, just like a UFC that goes on around 9pm actually starts at 6pm.



W_S
I gotta ask, does it get hard to talk with Dana's **** in your mouth?
Dana's a slimeball.

Yeah I know but how are they gonna hype it now? With everyone knowing Rampage is retired.

How so? By demanding that he fulfill his responsibilities by fighting Rashad in what would have been one of their highest selling PPV cards this year and possibly in the history of the company?

No Really?

Seriously Screw Rampage. He's an ungrateful prick.

Don't even make me get into what Dana has done for him, because it's more than a person like Rampage deserves

I agree. As much as I dislike Dana, Rampage has thoroughly outdouched him.

Okay let's see what he's done for Rampage. Mind you I rarely take Dana's side. But you have to have Page's balls or you're just another bandwagoneer who think Dana is the cause of Cancer, WW2, The Holocaust, JFK's Assassination, The Plague, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, The Economy etc.

Dana has been incredibly generous to Rampage from the start

-He bough his WFA Contract and paid him mor money in his debut fight in the UFC that he had been paid in his entire career.
-He gave him a title shot after beating Marvin Eastman
-He gave him the honor and privilege of unifying Pride MW and UFC LHW titles
-He continually pays him more money. He made 170K in his debut and 2 years later he's making almost double that
-He flew out to Orange County and Bailed him out of Jail after his childish road rage incident
-He got him psychiatric help and counseling after the incident
-He let him coach 2 Seasons of the Ultimate Fighter
-He granted his request for a fight in his hometown, he gives him the main event on what would have been one of the best bad blood matches in the sport, which would have made him even more money.


And he skips out to do an 80's TV show remake, deserting his fans, Rashads fans, and leaves Dana to clean up his mess?

Before you go on to say that the UFC profited off of most of this. Let me just remind you that the causal UFC goer had no idea who Rampage was when he fought Liddell (their goldenboy) and the UFC had a lot to risk throwing Rampage in their seeing as he beat Liddell before)

You know what. Screw Rampage. Dana is not in the wrong here.

Though all of this is true, it sort of speaks to Dana's naivete and non-saviness in a way as much as anything.

I might just be pot shotting Dana here, but suddenly he doesn't look like such an "ingenious business man," which people are often all-too-ready to declare him as.

That's easy for us to say when we aren't burdened with the responsibility of finding a solid replacement for his fight with Evans

Once again I'm perfectly ready to label Dana and Rampage both douches. However this is nobody's problem but Dana's and the rest of the UFC management.

Business is business after all. As long as Page didn't break the law in breaking with his UFC contract, Dana White can basically pound sand.

doesnt rampage have to fulfill his contract??? doesnt he have fights left? is there gonna be the same issues as with couture?

doesnt rampage have to fulfill his contract??? doesnt he have fights left? is there gonna be the same issues as with couture?

it wont be like the couture situation because rampage isn't looking to fight another fighter in a different promotion

as long as rampage is on this "retirement" kick, theres nothing that really can be done

at the end of the day, you cant make a fighter step in the cage

it wont be like the couture situation because rampage isn't looking to fight another fighter in a different promotion

as long as rampage is on this "retirement" kick, theres nothing that really can be done

at the end of the day, you cant make a fighter step in the cage

at least there wont be a drawn out battle

well, its to bad rampage is done for now. i always looked forward to watching him fight. hopefully he will be back.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/ufc/2651890/Dana-White-Rampage-Jackson-is-acting-like-a-baby-Quinto-Jackson-quits-UFC.html

Interesting to see what Dana has to say.

I like u bro ur a good poster and i respect ur opinion..i'm not trying to argue with you but rampage isn't the first to walk out on dana and won't be the last... there's more than meets the eye... my beef with page is that he thinks his fans care ab his movies.. we don't..

My point is, that Dana doesn't owe Rampage anything. The only reason Quinton can put asses in seats, boost ratings on TUF and make the money he does is because of Dana and the UFC. If Zuffa hadn't bought Rampage's contract from the WFA, he wouldn't even be a household name. Just "that guy" who Silva and and Shogun knocked into next week.

Dana paid him money, gave him huge opportunities and took big risks with Rampage when they first signed him.

I think Dana deserves the benefit of the doubt here.

And I think people need to step back, stop being a Dana hater and look at this objectively.

My point is, that Dana doesn't owe Rampage anything. The only reason Quinton can put asses in seats, boost ratings on TUF and make the money he does is because of Dana and the UFC. If Zuffa hadn't bought Rampage's contract from the WFA, he wouldn't even be a household name. Just "that guy" who Silva and and Shogun knocked into next week.

Dana paid him money, gave him huge opportunities and took big risks with Rampage when they first signed him.

I think Dana deserves the benefit of the doubt here.

And I think people need to step back, stop being a Dana hater and look at this objectively.

i agree.
dana may come across like a douchebag sometimes but he has done a lot for the fighters on his payroll and the sport in general.
personally dana is not a bad guy. i met him twice and on both occasions he spent time talking to me and the people around me. so i think he is genuine and means well.

So after all the hype and the talking and how he dodged the fight once already, then a full ****ing season of the ultimate fighter ... now he pulls off the ultimate douchbaggery ?

I know some of you remember him from Pride but he's been spiraling, he can't handle Rashad and he can't handle Machida. Rampage is WEAK and he wants out. The Forrest lackluster performance was the end of it. (they even fed him poor ultra-shot Chuck,lol)

I don't understand how some of you think he could beat Rashad nowadays.

Also, the first episode of the ultimate fighter was a good indicator of his ultimate failure, sorry for bashing your idol though :sad6:

My point is, that Dana doesn't owe Rampage anything. The only reason Quinton can put asses in seats, boost ratings on TUF and make the money he does is because of Dana and the UFC. If Zuffa hadn't bought Rampage's contract from the WFA, he wouldn't even be a household name. Just "that guy" who Silva and and Shogun knocked into next week.

Dana paid him money, gave him huge opportunities and took big risks with Rampage when they first signed him.

I think Dana deserves the benefit of the doubt here.

And I think people need to step back, stop being a Dana hater and look at this objectively.

On the flip side though Rampage really doesn't owe Dana anything, either. That's not to say that Dana hasn't done a lot for Rampage, but like I said business is business, and it's a cruel world in the commerce community. So basically ****ing some one over in business is something which goes on all the time, and something which White is most certainly complacent in as well.

Just saying.

On a personal level it may be a different story. However, one of Dana's prime tactics is to attempt to personalize business matters in order to skew appearances, for example, as in the case of the most recent Fedor negotiations. What I mean by that is how how he personalized everything, saying he was so fed up and stressed out, blah blah blah. While it may have been true, it is actually quite irrelevant to the actual circumstances. Of course the job of a promoter can be very stressful, however he used this to avoid talking about any real issues.

This is just Dana White being Dana White. The guy's great at what he does, which is basically being a con man. To give just one example to support this observation, take the way Dana conducts himself in public and on TUF with all of the profanity, **** talking through the press, etc. Well, the guy has a wife and kids at home and I highly doubt he conducts himself that way in his personal life. It's a persona, and nothing more, and this is I believe why Dana insists that nobody would want his job.. because it involves being phony day in and day out. This also may be why he's by all accounts a good guy in person, although that is not to say it is not part of the act, as it were.

This isn't about Dana White, this is about dodging a fight and screwing over your boss and your fans and your legacy. And being unprofessional.

This isn't about Dana White, this is about dodging a fight and screwing over your boss and your fans and your legacy. And being unprofessional.
I'm not denying any of that.. except the screwing over your boss part.

Biting the hand that feeds you? Yes. But Dana as "the big boss" is really just part of his smoke and mirrors.

I think Rampage seems like a dumb **** for pulling this stunt, and it may bite him in the ass. It also certainly does look as though he is ducking competition, particularly becuase I believe Rashad, and clearly Machida, would be favored in either match up. That said, he's free to manage his career however he chooses. In addition to this, it is far too easy to second guess Rampage when none of us know all of the facts, so I basically have to leave it at that.

Again with Dana White. When I said the boss I meant the UFC as an organization. I mean, other fighters go in there and get beat, like Nogueira, who was like a zombie with Mir, so that they don't screw the organization's plans.

And he pulls off a fight with no legitimate reason ? He's lying, especially the part about putting off the fight "a month or so", more like a month or 6.

P.S.: I hate him, so I hope it's good riddings. He should go wreck some havok in his Rampage-mobile, and get arrested. Like what he did after that Forrest fight, where he couldn't check any leg kicks. He was like a handicapped person. Bull**** champion.

Again with Dana White. When I said the boss I meant the UFC as an organization. I mean, other fighters go in there and get beat, like Nogueira, who was like a zombie with Mir, so that they don't screw the organization's plans.

And he pulls off a fight with no legitimate reason ? He's lying, especially the part about putting off the fight "a month or so", more like a month or 6.

P.S.: I hate him, so I hope it's good riddings. He should go wreck some havok in his Rampage-mobile, and get arrested. Like what he did after that Forrest fight, where he couldn't check any leg kicks. He was like a handicapped person. Bull**** champion.

I know what you meant, but all the same nonetheless. Dana White is a promoter. He is not a boss to fighters.

Fighters are their own bosses.

This is a basic thing about combat sports.

I don't know why you say that. They're not their own boss, they need the money, the recognition, the fans even.

Very few ppl go around doing whatever they want in their carreers, certainly not the fighters.

I really don't understand what you mean. Maybe you mean they *should* be their own bosses ?

I don't know why you say that. They're not their own boss, they need the money, the recognition, the fans even.

Very few ppl go around doing whatever they want in their carreers, certainly not the fighters.

I really don't understand what you mean. Maybe you mean they *should* be their own bosses ?

The lines are a little blurred because of the monopolist business practices of the UFC which stifle competition and reduces fighters into Dana's *****es.

However a fighter is very much his own boss in the sense that they by-in-large control the progression of their own career.

For instance, Arlovski walked away from his UFC contract. Other fighters, such as Muhammad Lawal, have stated public that he is not interested in signing with the UFC (without actually mentioning the UFC by name) because he would prefer to be in charge of when and how often he fights (in other words, he doesn't want to risk being sidelined for extended periods).

For example my dad is a freelance computer programmer, which basically means he is the sole proprietor of a computer software consulting firm which contracts it's services out to corporations. He may (and does) sign a one year contract which has him working in a cubicle side-by-side with employees of the company, but he remains his own boss.

It is very similar with fighters. A professional fighting career is (not is like, is) a private entrepreneurial enterprise and each and every fighter is basically the owner of a small company, in a way quite similar to how I described above using the example of a freelance software engineer (my father, in this case). This is also why fighters retain managers, accountants, attorneys, PR men, etc.

As I stated initially though, the UFC's business practices to a degree defy the situation which I have described, due to the stifling effect on competition, which diminishes fighters' leverage, and in turn, diminishes their market value. But then, you could just as well say the same thing about the effect of Microsoft on the software development industry (in keeping to my previous example). This concludes the comparison though, as you immediately get into apples vs oranges (two different industries; two different companies; two different corporate philosophies; different scale; etc.).

I hope this makes some sense.

For the record, I have a B.S. in economics and will begin post-graduate studies next week. That's not to say that I'm an ultimate authority or that my reasoning is infallible, I only mean to say that I am not simply blowing smoke out of my ass. Feel free to disagree.

Again with Dana White. When I said the boss I meant the UFC as an organization. I mean, other fighters go in there and get beat, like Nogueira, who was like a zombie with Mir, so that they don't screw the organization's plans.

And he pulls off a fight with no legitimate reason ? He's lying, especially the part about putting off the fight "a month or so", more like a month or 6.

P.S.: I hate him, so I hope it's good riddings. He should go wreck some havok in his Rampage-mobile, and get arrested. Like what he did after that Forrest fight, where he couldn't check any leg kicks. He was like a handicapped person. Bull**** champion.

On this note, we really don't know if there is a legitimate reason or not.

Let's just say for the sake of argument that Rampage has had some sort of injury--for example an eye injury or a brain injury--which is compromising to his long-term health.

I'm not suggesting that this is the case, but my point is that we do not know all of the details. At the end of the day, it's his decision and his career/life.

I don't know why you say that. They're not their own boss, they need the money, the recognition, the fans even.

Very few ppl go around doing whatever they want in their carreers, certainly not the fighters.

I really don't understand what you mean. Maybe you mean they *should* be their own bosses ?

fighters are self employed contractors.

On the flip side though Rampage really doesn't owe Dana anything, either. That's not to say that Dana hasn't done a lot for Rampage, but like I said business is business, and it's a cruel world in the commerce community. So basically ****ing some one over in business is something which goes on all the time, and something which White is most certainly complacent in as well.

Just saying.

On a personal level it may be a different story. However, one of Dana's prime tactics is to attempt to personalize business matters in order to skew appearances, for example, as in the case of the most recent Fedor negotiations. What I mean by that is how how he personalized everything, saying he was so fed up and stressed out, blah blah blah. While it may have been true, it is actually quite irrelevant to the actual circumstances. Of course the job of a promoter can be very stressful, however he used this to avoid talking about any real issues.

This is just Dana White being Dana White. The guy's great at what he does, which is basically being a con man. To give just one example to support this observation, take the way Dana conducts himself in public and on TUF with all of the profanity, **** talking through the press, etc. Well, the guy has a wife and kids at home and I highly doubt he conducts himself that way in his personal life. It's a persona, and nothing more, and this is I believe why Dana insists that nobody would want his job.. because it involves being phony day in and day out. This also may be why he's by all accounts a good guy in person, although that is not to say it is not part of the act, as it were.

exactly. no on e in the business is doing anything as a favour to anyone else. they're simply making decisions based on self interest. the idea of rampage owing the ufc is a joke.

I just want to say something to Rampage's defense.

Fighting is short money.

Yes, the UFC is paying guys better than they report - purses are 6 figures, but often fighters will pull down 7 from bonuses and points off the ppv. i don't count sponsorship money because no other sport in the world considers sponsorship money part of their sport-paycheck. UFC, however feels entitled to this sponsorship money, they own the "image" of all fighters on contract, and they take a huge cut, going out of their way to limit sponsorship opportunities for their fighters. In my opinion, this really isn't any better than Don King bleeding fighters dry.

So we've got a situation where at least the reported values of fight purses are artificially low, where fighters are not making money like top name boxers (who still manage to get into financial trouble themselves), and even their residual income is not only capped/limited, but dipped into by their promotional company.

Athletics is short money, meaning that an athlete has to earn as much money in a short time as possible and hope that he has some sort of image/brand that he can market once his competing days are through.

As we said before, UFC is dipping into that athlete money wherever possible and are severely limiting fighters' abilities to build & market an image/brand that would make them money once their career is finished.

Rampage in this instance is really doing what's best for himself and his image/brand. Hollywood money is much better than fighting money, and it's much longer (lasting).
Like I said before, Rampage made a guest appearance on a popular sitcom before ever signing with the UFC, so saying that Dana built his image/brand from square one is false.
Surely, the UFC helped increase that image, but having Rampage on TUF to bolster ratings has also done a lot for the UFC.

I just want to say something to Rampage's defense.

Fighting is short money.

Yes, the UFC is paying guys better than they report - purses are 6 figures, but often fighters will pull down 7 from bonuses and points off the ppv. i don't count sponsorship money because no other sport in the world considers sponsorship money part of their sport-paycheck. UFC, however feels entitled to this sponsorship money, they own the "image" of all fighters on contract, and they take a huge cut, going out of their way to limit sponsorship opportunities for their fighters. In my opinion, this really isn't any better than Don King bleeding fighters dry.

So we've got a situation where at least the reported values of fight purses are artificially low, where fighters are not making money like top name boxers (who still manage to get into financial trouble themselves), and even their residual income is not only capped/limited, but dipped into by their promotional company.

Athletics is short money, meaning that an athlete has to earn as much money in a short time as possible and hope that he has some sort of image/brand that he can market once his competing days are through.

As we said before, UFC is dipping into that athlete money wherever possible and are severely limiting fighters' abilities to build & market an image/brand that would make them money once their career is finished.

Rampage in this instance is really doing what's best for himself and his image/brand. Hollywood money is much better than fighting money, and it's much longer (lasting).
Like I said before, Rampage made a guest appearance on a popular sitcom before ever signing with the UFC, so saying that Dana built his image/brand from square one is false.
Surely, the UFC helped increase that image, but having Rampage on TUF to bolster ratings has also done a lot for the UFC.Unless your name is Will Smith, Cruise, yadda, yadda. But, I don't think so, you wanna know how many folks fail in Hollywood?

I mean, yes, an A-List Hollywood actor does about $20 mill per movie and a top UFC star's yearly salary doesn't even come close to that figure. But, Hollywood is a hard ladder to climb!!

Props to Rampage for following his dream, but, I don't know, man.

Fighting is short money.

What exactly do you mean by short? Fighting money may not be guaranteed in boxing but, Rampage had Guaranteed $325,000 purse for each fight and likely a cut of the PPV's plus money from sponsors.

Hollywood money is much better than fighting money, and it's much longer (lasting).


Maybe if you're a star. But this is Rampage's (aruguably) his first big movie role. Before this he had a cameo appearance on King of Queens and a part in Never Surrender which looked like it was directed from a home video camera, by a five years old, with scripts and acting you'd find in after dark ****o minisodes on HBO.

Judging by how MMA fighters have been doing in Hollywood, I wouldn't say anything guaranteed or long. These guys maybe be able to talk some **** in front of a camera, but their acting is horrible. The only fighter who had a major film role was Randy Couture in Redbelt and he had literally no camera time.

In the state of this economy, I'd take the guaranteed money, rather than investing in a movie that may not do very well at all.

What exactly do you mean by short? Fighting money may not be guaranteed in boxing but, Rampage had Guaranteed $325,000 purse for each fight and likely a cut of the PPV's plus money from sponsors.



Maybe if you're a star. But this is Rampage's (aruguably) his first big movie role. Before this he had a cameo appearance on King of Queens and a part in Never Surrender which looked like it was directed from a home video camera, by a five years old, with scripts and acting you'd find in after dark ****o minisodes on HBO.

Judging by how MMA fighters have been doing in Hollywood, I wouldn't say anything guaranteed or long. These guys maybe be able to talk some **** in front of a camera, but their acting is horrible. The only fighter who had a major film role was Randy Couture in Redbelt and he had literally no camera time.

In the state of this economy, I'd take the guaranteed money, rather than investing in a movie that may not do very well at all.I know man, look at what happened to that sorry @ss of a MMA fighter named, Roger Huerta. He too "retired" from MMA to pursue an acting career.

And recently he was back in the cage to lose to f**kin' Maynard, lol.

Like I said, it's cool for folks to follow their dreams, but, Hollywood is a different kind of animal. Anyway, best of luck to Rampage. We'll miss ya in the cage.

yah, but what you're not understanding is a character actor can make flicks LONG after their athletic career is finished.

Look at Terry Crews (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0187719/), and if he's successful I could see Rampage reaching that level, dude's been in like 19 movies since his NFL career was finished and has made money in the ball park of mma fight money for each one.

On top of that, there's a chance in hollywood to make money off of residuals.
I've already demonstrated that money off of residuals in mma's a pipe dream.
You think Liddel's gonna make good money off of his retirement?
The guy's gonna be whoring himself out to every reality show that comes along.

....The only fighter who had a major film role was Randy Couture in Redbelt and he had literally no camera time.

In the state of this economy, I'd take the guaranteed money, rather than investing in a movie that may not do very well at all.

Actually Don Frye's a better actor
been in movies in Japan and the US
was a supporting character in Big Stan (rob schneider film that also had couture)
more importantly he was a big supporting player in Public Enemies with Johnny Depp

Couture's not a great actor, he was in Scorpion King 2 as a major player, but he's never been good on the mic in interviews.

I don't think mma money is guaranteed; not when 1 fight can lead to a career ending injury. Bit parts in acting is a way to stay in the public eye, slowly build your craft, and make decent money.

You think Liddel's gonna make good money off of his retirement?
The guy's gonna be whoring himself out to every reality show that comes along.


I don't think mma money is guaranteed; not when 1 fight can lead to a career ending injury. Bit parts in acting is a way to stay in the public eye, slowly build your craft, and make decent money.

This may have been true 10 years ago when the sport was still in it's blooming stage. But now big money sponsorships, and jobs with the company for guys like Liddell can provide him with a very health living.

A guy like Frank Trigg when he retires, can easily have a job commentating and he owns his own MMA apparel company. Guy Mezger is making well commentating for Dream and K-1 and he's also President of HDnet fights owned by Mark Cuban.

Guys are opening their own gyms, branding, making MMA clothing, coaching, managing. There really isn't a stop for fighters in the sport when they get injured or retire.

Guys like De La Hoya aren't climbing up the Hollywood Ladder and he's making BIG $$$ promoting.

It's a lot safer to stay "in the business" they venture out of it, at which time you are basically starting from ground zero.

I dunno, time will tell on Liddel; Bonner too while we're at it.
I think you do have a good point; that there are a lot more opportunities now to make money in the fight business once your fighting days are up.

On the other hand mezger's kind of a moot point, he was one of the first wave of guys to leave the UFC for Japan and real money. Trigg did the same much later only to come back & get pounded by koschek.

Look at Coleman. Lost all his Pride money in a divorce and said that the UFC contract didn't give him any sort of money for a decent training camp. He's the head of Hammerhouse, which may not be the greatest camp but had some names - Randleman, Brandon Lee Hinkle, Baroni, and Simms - Kerr used to work out with them too.

As far as Rampage in acting, i think he's got about the same head start that Ice Cube did when he acted in Boyz n tha Hood. While it remains to be seen if he'll be anywhere near as good as Cube (or Crews for that matter); should he even be half decent he can expect pretty good money.

Is he following the Mayweather Jr script?





And for his comeback fight, he'll be fighting B.J. Penn at 205lbs, hehe

that man's mind aint been right since he lost to Forrest

he'll be back right after he realized he wont make it in Hollywood

he ****ed over rashad and the fans on this one though

if rampage can get into a couple of big budget action movies, i don't think we'll be seeing him back in the UFC. he's not a good actor but he has charisma and some of the other intangibles to be good in films, and who says u need talent to be an actor. most of todays' top money earners are there because they're pretty or known for banging lots of other famous people, not because they can act

if rampage can get into a couple of big budget action movies, i don't think we'll be seeing him back in the UFC. he's not a good actor but he has charisma and some of the other intangibles to be good in films, and who says u need talent to be an actor. most of todays' top money earners are there because they're pretty or known for banging lots of other famous people, not because they can act

These are why I think Rampage has a shot to bring in solid money from acting.

Heck, even Bob Sapp's been in a bunch of relatively successful movies now, essentially playing the same exact character.

Like I said, Frye's probably got the best chance to succeed in hollywood. he's like a cross between tom selleck and jesse ventura. He was even a main character in a godzilla movie (aka one of the greatest movies of all time aka Godzilla: Final Wars).

These are why I think Rampage has a shot to bring in solid money from acting.

Heck, even Bob Sapp's been in a bunch of relatively successful movies now, essentially playing the same exact character.

Like I said, Frye's probably got the best chance to succeed in hollywood. he's like a cross between tom selleck and jesse ventura. He was even a main character in a godzilla movie (aka one of the greatest movies of all time aka Godzilla: Final Wars).

i watched the midnight meat train last night, it has rampage in it for about 5 minutes. he was entertaining to watch, i could see him doing well in more / bigger parts that.