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BattlingNelson
09-21-2009, 06:49 PM
I got this idea from a danish forum. Let's see how you guys handle this assignment.

Find the largest group of fighters that fought for a world championship and where they all have fought each other.


For example:

Leonard, Hearns, Benitez, Duran

Battling Nelson, Jimmy Britt, Joe Gans, Terry McGovern.

Stoppage
09-21-2009, 07:30 PM
Felix Trinidad, Oscar de la Hoya, Ricardo Mayorga, Fernando Vargas

Gettin Jiggy
09-21-2009, 08:59 PM
Muhhamad ali, joe frazier, george foreman, george chuvalo,

1SILVA
09-21-2009, 09:12 PM
I got this idea from a danish forum. Let's see how you guys handle this assignment.

Find the largest group of fighters that fought for a world championship and where they all have fought each other.


For example:

Leonard, Hearns, Benitez, Duran

Battling Nelson, Jimmy Britt, Joe Gans, Terry McGovern.

Alexis Arguello, Bobby Chacon, Bazooka Limon, and Cornelius Boza Edwarrds. Arguello stopped them all. The rest beat the hell out of each other

BattlingNelson
09-22-2009, 09:08 AM
Nice offers gents.

Here's another quartet:

Joe Louis, Primo Carnera, Jack Sharkey, Max Baer.

I cannot find a fiver :purity:

Benncollinsaad
09-22-2009, 09:12 AM
Delahoya, Mosley, Vargas, Mayorga

Benncollinsaad
09-22-2009, 09:12 AM
Nice offers gents.

Here's another quartet:

Joe Louis, Primo Carnera, Jack Sharkey, Max Baer.

I cannot find a fiver :purity:

Did Schmelling fight Carnera??

Sgt. Pain
09-22-2009, 11:24 AM
hmmm pretty hard :)

1SILVA
09-22-2009, 11:38 AM
Nice offers gents.

Here's another quartet:

Joe Louis, Primo Carnera, Jack Sharkey, Max Baer.

I cannot find a fiver :purity:

Hopkins, Jones, Johnson, Tarver

Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran

BattlingNelson
09-22-2009, 12:52 PM
Saad Muhammad, Johnson, Mwale, Mustafa Muhammad.

Damn. There really should be a fiver among the LHW's of that era.

1SILVA
09-22-2009, 02:44 PM
Saad Muhammad, Johnson, Mwale, Mustafa Muhammad.

Damn. There really should be a fiver among the LHW's of that era.

Wilfredo Gomez, Carlos Zarate, Lupe Pintor and Alberto Davila

BattlingNelson
09-22-2009, 03:16 PM
I put some records into a spreadsheet to make the comparison, but still a fiver is lacking.

Tyson, Smith, Tubbs, Nielsen

BattlingNelson
09-22-2009, 03:17 PM
Wilfredo Gomez, Carlos Zarate, Lupe Pintor and Alberto Davila

I've never looked in the small divisions. Could be a fiver there.

JAB5239
09-22-2009, 04:59 PM
I've never looked in the small divisions. Could be a fiver there.

I don't know if you're counting the "colored" heavyweight title from the early 20th century, but I'd bet there would be a hell of a good list there as many of those guys were constantly forced to fight each other.

mickey malone
09-22-2009, 05:27 PM
Walcott, Charles, Marciano, Louis

mickey malone
09-22-2009, 07:00 PM
Here's five...

Muhammad Ali
Joe Bugner
Jimmy Ellis
Earnie Shavers
Ron Lyle

American_Ninja
09-22-2009, 07:14 PM
Here's five...

Muhammad Ali
Joe Bugner
Jimmy Ellis
Earnie Shavers
Ron Lyle

You could add George Foreman to that list to. He fought
Ali, and Lyle, not sure if he ever fought Bugner or Ellis. Joe Frazier fought Ali, Ellis, Foreman, and Bugner?

1SILVA
09-22-2009, 08:23 PM
I've never looked in the small divisions. Could be a fiver there.

Jung Koo Chang, Hilario Zapata, German Torres, Amado Ursua

mickey malone
09-23-2009, 03:53 AM
You could add George Foreman to that list to. He fought
Ali, and Lyle, not sure if he ever fought Bugner or Ellis. Joe Frazier fought Ali, Ellis, Foreman, and Bugner?
No.. Foreman never fought Bugner or Ellis..

Ali beat Bugner twice, Shavers once, Lyle once & Ellis once.. All DC's..
Bugner beat Ellis (pts) Lost to Shavers (cuts) & dropped DC's to Ali & Lyle..
Shavers Lost to Ali, Lyle, but beat Bugner & Ellis..
Ellis lost to all of them..
Lyle lost to Ali & beat Ellis, Bugner (pts) & Shavers by KO..

Jimmy Young is almost there, but he never fought Bugner..

GJC
09-23-2009, 10:19 AM
No.. Foreman never fought Bugner or Ellis..

Ali beat Bugner twice, Shavers once, Lyle once & Ellis once.. All DC's..
Bugner beat Ellis (pts) Lost to Shavers (cuts) & dropped DC's to Ali & Lyle..
Shavers Lost to Ali, Lyle, but beat Bugner & Ellis..
Ellis lost to all of them..
Lyle lost to Ali & beat Ellis, Bugner (pts) & Shavers by KO..

Jimmy Young is almost there, but he never fought Bugner..
Impressive Micky but does it count, Bugner only ever fought Ali for the title as such or am I misreading the question?

Benncollinsaad
09-23-2009, 10:52 AM
Shavers was very erratic. One day he would beat Norton in one round, then the next he gets stopped by Ron Lyle. Who was a solid fighter but far from a great one. Also Jerry Quarry knocked out Shavers in one round.

mickey malone
09-23-2009, 11:00 AM
Impressive Micky but does it count, Bugner only ever fought Ali for the title as such or am I misreading the question?
Well the question does state 'who fought for a world title & also fought each other'..

Ellis won the vacant WBA title by outpointing Gerry Quarry, & lost it by KO to Joe Frazier who unified the titles..

Bugner as already stated fought Ali for the title..

Lyle also fought Ali for the title, as did Earnie Shavers..

All of them have at one time or another fought for a world title, & more relevently, have all fought each other to..
Ironically, Ellis who lost to all of them, was the only one (besides Ali of course) who actually won a version of the title..

GJC
09-23-2009, 11:22 AM
Well the question does state 'who fought for a world title & also fought each other'..

Ellis won the vacant WBA title by outpointing Gerry Quarry, & lost it by KO to Joe Frazier who unified the titles..

Bugner as already stated fought Ali for the title..

Lyle also fought Ali for the title, as did Earnie Shavers..

All of them have at one time or another fought for a world title, & more relevently, have all fought each other to..
Ironically, Ellis who lost to all of them, was the only one (besides Ali of course) who actually won a version of the title..
Fair go I misread the question, will have another look at this now

BattlingNelson
09-23-2009, 06:20 PM
Here's five...

Muhammad Ali
Joe Bugner
Jimmy Ellis
Earnie Shavers
Ron Lyle
Well done. :fing02:

BoxingPromoter
09-23-2009, 06:35 PM
Here's one:

Holyfield, Ruiz, Rahman, Toney...

GJC
09-23-2009, 06:45 PM
SRR, Fulmer, Pender, Basilio is a 4 but I can't help thinking there must be a five in that era and weight category can think of a few who fought at least two of them I think someone who has more patience than me will add a 5th.

BattlingNelson
09-23-2009, 06:53 PM
To add a little spice to this assignment I'll give 10K for the first fiver not involving Muhammad Ali and 100K for the first sixer.

Bundana
09-23-2009, 07:33 PM
Ali
Bonavena
Chuvalo
Ellis
Patterson

Ali
Chuvalo
Ellis
Patterson
Quarry

If Quarry had fought Bonavena we would have a sixer!

BoxingPromoter
09-24-2009, 11:18 AM
Iíve got another one Bat, here:

-George Foreman, Evander Holyfield, Bert Cooper, and Michael Moorer

GJC
09-24-2009, 12:37 PM
SRR, Fulmer, Pender, Basilio is a 4 but I can't help thinking there must be a five in that era and weight category can think of a few who fought at least two of them I think someone who has more patience than me will add a 5th.


On the same theme the whole
Rubin Carter
Dick Tiger
Joey Giardello
Emille Griffith
Joey Archer
Don Fulmer
Carlos Monzon
Nino Benvenuti
era must be worth mining too lots of interlockings 4's

BattlingNelson
09-24-2009, 05:34 PM
I randomly checked an era of welters and came up with these four:

Simon Brown, Terry Norris, Luis Santana, Vincent Pettway.

So still no fiver for me :crying:

oldgringo
09-24-2009, 05:49 PM
chavez, mancini, ramirez, camacho...

mickey malone
09-25-2009, 03:16 AM
Well done. :fing02:
Thanks.. This is a good post (brain teaser)..

I'm working on a 6, but it's hard work if you don't remember the fights (fighters)

Looking through the records to do this will make you dizzy...

BennyST
09-25-2009, 05:09 AM
Yep, can think of many fours but no fiver yet.

One great era would have been the 60's bantamweight era. I know that the large majority all fought each other, but can't be bothered going through records to check.

Jose Medel
Chucho Castillo
Lionel Rose
Ruben Olivares
Fighting Harada
Jesus Pimentel
Bernado Caraballo

I can remember that all of these guys fought each other but I'm not that certain that each and every one intersect perfectly.

I know that Rose fought Castillo, Olivares, Harada, Medel and I think Caraballo.
I know that Olivares fought Castillo, Rose, Medel, and Pimentel but I'm pretty sure that him and Harada didn't meet.
I know that Castillo fought Rose, Olivares, Caraballo, Pimentel and Medel but I don't think he met Harada either.


Anyway, great topic. I'll have to think of some more.

BennyST
09-25-2009, 05:23 AM
chavez, mancini, ramirez, camacho...

Chavez and Mancini never fought from memory. That era though would probably hold a few fours that did.

Actually, around that time just below would be great to check out. I can think of many fighters from that era whom all fought each other.

Jose Luis Ramirez
Bobby Chacon
Jose Torres
Arguello
Boza Edwards
Rafael Limon
Rolando Navarette
Julio C. Chavez
Arturo Frias
Danny Lopez

Apart from Julio C. Chavez I think nearly each of these guys fought each other at one time and you might be able to get a fiver or more out of these. Great era.

BattlingNelson
09-25-2009, 11:13 AM
Just now I did a check on Harry Greb and some contemporaries. I couldn't even find a 4.

I WILL find a fiver without Ali soon before I go mental!

Bundana
09-26-2009, 03:12 PM
Would love to take that 10k from you, Bat... and thought this fiver might do the trick:

Bob Foster
Roger Rouse
Andy Kendall
Dick Tiger
Eddie Cotton

But, on closer inspection, Tiger and Cotton of course never met. Same old story - so close, but ind the end one measly fight is always missing!

Still looking, though.

BattlingNelson
09-26-2009, 03:37 PM
Would love to take that 10k from you, Bat... and thought this fiver might do the trick:

Bob Foster
Roger Rouse
Andy Kendall
Dick Tiger
Eddie Cotton

But, on closer inspection, Tiger and Cotton of course never met. Same old story - so close, but ind the end one measly fight is always missing!

Still looking, though.
:lol1:

Nice try still!

Richie-G
09-26-2009, 05:08 PM
havent done any research but if you count the colored heavyweight title, im sure that
jack johnson
sam mcvey
joe jeanette
sam langford

all fought each other and held the colored title at one point or another......... im sure a fifth could be found in this group.....

Bundana
09-26-2009, 05:41 PM
Ted Wright
Emile Griffith
Luis Rodriguez
Nino Benvenuti
Denny Moyer

FINALLY!!

Bundana
09-27-2009, 07:26 AM
Hi Bat,


In order to prevent the IRS from laying their sticky fingers on my hard-earned winnings, I would appreciate, if you will be kind enough to transfer the 10k to my secret bank account in The Cayman Islands:


CAYMAN ISLANDS COMMERCE BANK
Account number: 00286K - 5487 8539 2281 8934


Thank you very much,
Bundana

PS: This windfall will come in very handy in connection with my 3Ĺ-week vacation to Rio de Janeiro this december. Just think of the kind of fun an extra 10K will buy you down there... if you know, what I mean! My first 18-year-old mulatto-girl, I will definetely dedicate to you!!

BattlingNelson
09-27-2009, 08:06 AM
Ted Wright
Emile Griffith
Luis Rodriguez
Nino Benvenuti
Denny Moyer

FINALLY!!
Awesome!!!!!! Well done man. :beerchug:

I'll transfer the 10K to your cayman Island account ASAP :lol1:

There's still 100K for the first sixer and I'll give out 10K for the next fiver with fighters you havent used in this solution and without Muhammad Ali.

Bundana
09-27-2009, 08:29 AM
Thanks a lot - now I can really afford my vacation.


All the best,
Bundana