View Full Version : Tarver's legacy


Benncollinsaad
09-17-2009, 07:14 PM
I have always been kinda fascinated with Antonio Tarver. Maybe because he is an unusual figure. In several ways. He didn't wanna turn pro after he failed to make the olympic team the first time, so he waited another four years. That is pretty rare and admirable. It meant so much to him to make it in the olympics and as amateur. He could have turned pro earlier and by now he would surely have a much better pro record than he does. Instead of 27-6, it would be something like 47-6. Thats one other question I'd like to ask btw. How good would his legacy be if he had turned pro earlier? In late '92 or early '93?

Lets see first who ruled the 175 division back then...Virgil Hill was the WBA champ and recognised by many as the best LHW back then I think. Henry Maske became the IBF champ after beating Charles Williams in March '93. Jeff Harding had reigned as the WBC champ thru '93 before being dethroned by Mike McCallum in '94. So...how would Tarver do against these guys?

Spray_resistant
09-17-2009, 07:20 PM
That is very admirable and shows alot of dedication for him to have waited. 4 years can be a long chunk of your life, I didn't know that actually. That said I think he would beat any of the fighters named except for McCallum. Unfortunately for him his legacy is that of a one hit wonder, and he will be forever known as the guy who layout RJJ with one perfect eyes closed straight left.

Benncollinsaad
09-17-2009, 07:24 PM
He will also be known for having beaten 3 out of 5 guys that beat him. And 2 out of 3 of those were by ko. First he lost to Eric Harding, then stopped him in 5. Then he lost to RJ and ko'd him in 2. Then he lost to Johnson and beat him in the rematch

Stoppage
09-17-2009, 07:29 PM
I can't say how he would do against those guys, since he didn't fight at the time. So it's hard to imagine how we would be in his prime.

But with that aside, he's still had a very good career, even if it was a late start. He's been a three-time world champion and beat the top competition that included Roy Jones, Glen Johnson, Clinton Woods, Montell Griffin, Eric Harding and Reggie Jonson. Five of them were champions at one time or another.

In the end, I think he's left a good legacy in the light-heavyweight division.

Spray_resistant
09-17-2009, 07:30 PM
He will also be known for having avenged 3 out of his 5 losses. And 2 out of 3 were ko's. First he lost to Eric Harding, then stopped him in 5. Then he lost to RJ and ko'd him in 2. Then he lost to Johnson and beat him in the rematch

Almost no one knows who Harding is and Johnson is unfamiliar to casual fans....his connection to RJJ is the bases of his legacy and fortunately for him though he came out on top. That is actually why he is so unpopular because he ko'd mr. un-ko-able. Had he started earlier we could have seen plenty of great fights, I wonder how he would have done against Toney, or Daruisz Michalwhatever.

Benncollinsaad
09-17-2009, 07:33 PM
Almost no one knows who Harding is and Johnson is unfamiliar to casual fans....his connection to RJJ is the bases of his legacy and fortunately for him though he came out on top. That is actually why he is so unpopular because he ko'd mr. un-ko-able. Had he started earlier we could have seen plenty of great fights, I wonder how he would have done against Toney, or Daruisz Michalwhatever.

Yeah, Toney vs Tarver would be a fun fight. But unfortunately Toney was crap at 175 and lost all his major matches there. Mostly because he didn't train sufficiently. I don't think its fair to say Tarver will be remembered ONLY for that knockout over Roy Jones. He will be also remembered as an exciting fighter, at least from '97 to 2005, and a COLORFUL guy.;)

Spray_resistant
09-17-2009, 07:44 PM
Yeah, Toney vs Tarver would be a fun fight. But unfortunately Toney was crap at 175 and lost all his major matches there. Mostly because he didn't train sufficiently. I don't think its fair to say Tarver will be remembered ONLY for that knockout over Roy Jones. He will be also remembered as an exciting fighter, at least from '97 to 2005, and a COLORFUL guy.;)

I will remember his boastful personality and the fights with Johnson but most ppl won't because most fans are not hardcore fans who watch every televised boxing match like you or me....just keep that in mind.

Benncollinsaad
09-17-2009, 07:53 PM
I will remember his boastful personality and the fights with Johnson but most ppl won't because most fans are not hardcore fans who watch every televised boxing match like you or me....just keep that in mind.

Yeah, well screw them anyway!:D Who cares about their perception of the Magic Man!;) :boxing:

jreckoning
09-17-2009, 09:01 PM
It's actually nice to see people give Tarver some love here. He's usually **** on left and right in NSB section of the forum despite his victories against plenty of high quality guys and the fact that he has never been stopped no matter who he fought.

He's mailed it in a couple of times and lost when he should of won, but has some good victories against the top 10 and top 20 at light heavy.

I remember him from the Olympics but really only became a fan when I went to one of his fights, and saw him get off the deck to beat a tough experienced Reggie Johnson.


A motivated Tarver would've been hard to handle for anyone because he's a crafty boxer and in his prime, he could crack.

He fought back from a lot of adversity to make the Olympic team and turned out to be a fine pro.

Bushidō
09-17-2009, 11:43 PM
I have always been kinda fascinated with Antonio Tarver. Maybe because he is an unusual figure. In several ways. He didn't wanna turn pro after he failed to make the olympic team the first time, so he waited another four years. That is pretty rare and admirable. It meant so much to him to make it in the olympics and as amateur. He could have turned pro earlier and by now he would surely have a much better pro record than he does. Instead of 27-6, it would be something like 47-6. Thats one other question I'd like to ask btw. How good would his legacy be if he had turned pro earlier? In late '92 or early '93?

Lets see first who ruled the 175 division back then...Virgil Hill was the WBA champ and recognised by many as the best LHW back then I think. Henry Maske became the IBF champ after beating Charles Williams in March '93. Jeff Harding had reigned as the WBC champ thru '93 before being dethroned by Mike McCallum in '94. So...how would Tarver do against these guys?

As much as I hate Tarver I think he could have been a really good fighter. The problem with him is that he seems to be scared to get hit. Yes no one likes to be hit but he seemed content just waiting and waiting until he could set up the perfect punch. If he was more aggressive he could have used his height and reach against anyone. Maybe its just not in him. If he fought everyone like how he fought Johnson the 2nd time he would have gave any light heavyweight problems

Obama
09-18-2009, 12:05 AM
Yeah, Toney vs Tarver would be a fun fight. But unfortunately Toney was crap at 175 and lost all his major matches there. Mostly because he didn't train sufficiently. I don't think its fair to say Tarver will be remembered ONLY for that knockout over Roy Jones. He will be also remembered as an exciting fighter, at least from '97 to 2005, and a COLORFUL guy.;)

This is a myth. Toney actually should be undefeated at 175, he was robbed against Griffin twice. The second robbery was down right disgraceful. Can't speak on the Thadzi fight, haven't seen it, but Toney didn't make 175 anyways.

MANGLER
09-18-2009, 12:12 AM
Tarver is a good fighter, but nothin more than that. Had he turned pro sooner, I think he woulda been worse off actually. His legacy is based off RJ. Fightin him at his prime or fightin Hill and the other top LHW's at that time, Tarver woulda got beat.

Spray_resistant
09-18-2009, 12:51 AM
This is a myth. Toney actually should be undefeated at 175, he was robbed against Griffin twice. The second robbery was down right disgraceful. Can't speak on the Thadzi fight, haven't seen it, but Toney didn't make 175 anyways.

I had him winning both too, the 1st fight Griffin can make and argument but Toney clearly won the 2nd fight.....I always wondered why they robbed him, I mean who the **** was Montell Griffin at that point? What big fights down the road were they trying to set up to give him 2 wins over Toney?

Obama
09-18-2009, 01:19 AM
I had him winning both too, the 1st fight Griffin can make and argument but Toney clearly won the 2nd fight.....I always wondered why they robbed him, I mean who the **** was Montell Griffin at that point? What big fights down the road were they trying to set up to give him 2 wins over Toney?

Well, he did give RJJ his first "loss". But yea...for whatever reason they just had it in for Toney.

Numa
09-18-2009, 01:39 AM
Not much of a legacy. He'll only ever be known as the guy that beat a past his prime weight depleted Jones.

Obama
09-18-2009, 01:44 AM
I'd like to see Tarver in a Fabulous Five Oldtimers Tournament. It will be held at CW. Fighters involved:

The Magic Man
RJJ
The Executioner
Lights Out
The Road Warrior

I think it would sell quite well tbh.

Spray_resistant
09-18-2009, 01:58 AM
I'd like to see Tarver in a Fabulous Five Oldtimers Tournament. It will be held at CW. Fighters involved:

The Magic Man
RJJ
The Executioner
Lights Out
The Road Warrior

I think it would sell quite well tbh.

That is one of the best ideas I have heard on this forum. It would get alot of attention and all are legit fights because everyone is past their best,and because of it I doubt any fight would be too onesided........but imagine how pissed Adamek and the other top guys at CW would be with the old timers stealing their thunder that they never really had to begin with.....green k sent for such a creative idea.

Obama
09-18-2009, 02:13 AM
That is one of the best ideas I have heard on this forum. It would get alot of attention and all are legit fights because everyone is past their best,and because of it I doubt any fight would be too onesided........but imagine how pissed Adamek and the other top guys at CW would be with the old timers stealing their thunder that they never really had to begin with.....green k sent for such a creative idea.

Thanks man. :boxing:

Benncollinsaad
09-18-2009, 07:45 AM
I like the idea too. I think it would be interesting to see if Tarver can make it well fighting above his usual weight. He was always a skinny guy altho he had the height to fight above 175. At the Rocky Balboa filming he had bulked up for real, weighed around 218! But since speed was a vital part of his game, I dunno how he would do if he were weighed down by muscles and unable to use that asset. Toney and Road Warrior would thrive, since they are not known as fast fighters, Toney used to be quite fast in his prime, but after he left 168 he wasn't anymore.