View Full Version : Do you consider these fighters ATG's?


Stoppage
09-17-2009, 01:16 PM
Naseem Hamed
Aaron Pryor
Joe Calzaghe

In your opinion, are any of these fighters an all-time great?

ji23
09-17-2009, 01:33 PM
Naseem Hamed
Aaron Pryor
Joe Calzaghe

In your opinion, are any of these fighters an all-time great?
**** 2 the hell naw not one of them maybe the closest is Aron Pryor but not even

bojangles1987
09-17-2009, 01:41 PM
Naseem Hamed
Aaron Pryor
Joe Calzaghe

In your opinion, are any of these fighters an all-time great?

Hamed not quite, Pryor and Calzaghe yes. I'm not talking top 10 or 20 or anything, but their in the top 50-75 and that's ATG to me.

sonnyboyx2
09-17-2009, 03:08 PM
Naseem Hamed
Aaron Pryor
Joe Calzaghe

In your opinion, are any of these fighters an all-time great?
Pryor is one of the great Light-Welters of All Time
Calzaghe is one of the great Super-Middles of All Time
Hamad was a fantastic TV fighter & very good Featherweight, Yet wether they are ATGs is a different thing.. IMO Pryor would have been a tough fight for anyone at Light-Welter, Calzaghe i could name a dozen who would beat him same goes for Hamed

mrboxer
09-17-2009, 03:14 PM
i just have pryor and calzaghe on my list the prince was just an average showman/boxer:boxing:

JAB5239
09-17-2009, 05:26 PM
Naseem Hamed
Aaron Pryor
Joe Calzaghe

In your opinion, are any of these fighters an all-time great?

ATG is very subjective to begin with. All are a possibility for top 100, but I don't think any of them are a clear cut choice for top 50 or better based on their resumes. Just my opinion of course.

Obama
09-17-2009, 05:56 PM
Pryor yes, Calzaghe no. #1 JWW >>>>> #1 SMW

Hamed? :nonono:

I only call ppl ATGs that might make the top 100, Calzaghe and Hamed certainly do not.

1SILVA
09-17-2009, 10:12 PM
Naseem Hamed
Aaron Pryor
Joe Calzaghe

In your opinion, are any of these fighters an all-time great?

AARON PRYOR-the greatest 140 pounder of all time

BigMacFoster
09-18-2009, 06:01 AM
Naseem Hamed's resume>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joe Calzaghe's.It's not even close

Hamed's resume is much deeper than Pryor who's whole legacy is based off of one win over a faded great in Alexis Arguello,He beat no good fighters outside of that,Just a couple of those mediocre asian fighters who the WBA would often throw out as mandatory challengers.


Aaron Pryor is not ATG,And it's a pretty sorry state of a boxing fans view when he is ranked as such.


AARON PRYOR-the greatest 140 pounder of all time

That certainly is debatable.What makes him anymore a candidate than Antonio Cervantes or Julio Cesar Chavez and as much as I dislike him Kostya Tszyu?

BennyST
09-18-2009, 11:22 AM
Naseem Hamed's resume>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joe Calzaghe's.It's not even close

Hamed's resume is much deeper than Pryor who's whole legacy is based off of one win over a faded great in Alexis Arguello,He beat no good fighters outside of that,Just a couple of those mediocre asian fighters who the WBA would often throw out as mandatory challengers.


Aaron Pryor is not ATG,And it's a pretty sorry state of a boxing fans view when he is ranked as such.




That certainly is debatable.What makes him anymore a candidate than Antonio Cervantes or Julio Cesar Chavez and as much as I dislike him Kostya Tszyu?

It would seem that you forgot he won his title by knocking out Cervantes. Still, I don't think he's the greatest 140 pounder but he's definitely one of them.

Ziggy Stardust
09-18-2009, 12:09 PM
I think Calzaghe slips into the tail end of the ATG lists, Pryor and Hamed are near-greats.

Poet

Benncollinsaad
09-18-2009, 01:11 PM
Joe is an ATG and everyone who says anything else is a hate monger and a Bhop fanatic.:boxing:

JAB5239
09-18-2009, 02:42 PM
Joe is an ATG and everyone who says anything else is a hate monger and a Bhop fanatic.:boxing:

You are amazing at backing up your reasons and logic!:fing02:

Benncollinsaad
09-18-2009, 02:49 PM
You are amazing at backing up your reasons and logic!:fing02:

Why, thank you!:-P

Stoppage
09-18-2009, 03:23 PM
I guess I'll give my views on this since I was the one that started the thread.

I think Hamed and Pryor were great fighters in their division but aren't worthy of being considered an all-time great.

The reason for Hamed is because, although he was a talented fighter, he lost his biggest fight against Marco Antonio Barrera. You can say he wasn't the same fighter and that's understandable. But he didn't even seek a rematch against him.

For Pryor, he was a relentless force and I think he's a great fighter.. but not all-time material. But I think he could have been. In my opinion, he could have given Duran, Leonard and Benitez a lot of trouble, if they fought him. He asked Leonard for a title shot but Leonard refused. I guess that's understandable considering how much of a ring warrior Pryor was. He even beat Thomas Hearns in the amateurs. Even though Hearns was only 17, I still find it impressive. Also, wins over Cervantes and Arguello is very good.

As for Calzaghe I didn't really follow his career much, so I'll let the others decide.

billionaire
09-19-2009, 12:17 AM
supper middleweight is the weakest division alltime, how the hell can you say calzaghe is an ATG even tho he never faced the best in his division.....he won the ring belt and never defended it, the rest of defenses were some bull**** belts....

hameds resume is the strongest of that list......because of his attitude everyone dismisses his career....

▀ringer
09-19-2009, 05:38 AM
Hamed and Pryor were great fighters in their respective divisions but I don't consider either of them to be a true "All Time Great".

Not that I have this gigantic list of guys whom I personally consider to be "All Time Greats", but if I did ; I wouldn't consider either of them. Though Hamed's record of competition is lightyears beyond Pryor's IMO.

Calzaghe would definitely make my list if I were to take the time and come up with a personal opinion list of my top 100. Maybe I'd even post it here only to have everybody tell me their list is better and that my list sucks **** or that so and so shouldn't be ranked as high as he is because of A, B, C, and D. :lol1:

But yeah ; I consider Calzaghe a great, for what that's worth.

Joe2608
09-19-2009, 11:48 AM
My opinion is that they are all ATG's in their respective divisions. However, i don't see any of them getting into a real top 100 ATG list which considers all of the weight divisions.

mickey malone
09-23-2009, 09:39 AM
Calzaghe: Yes.
Pryor: No.
Hamed: Should have been, but decided not to.

BigMacFoster
09-23-2009, 11:39 AM
It would seem that you forgot he won his title by knocking out Cervantes. Still, I don't think he's the greatest 140 pounder but he's definitely one of them.

forgive me,It's just that Pryor has faced and beat so many great fighters that I forgot that he beat Cervantes for the title.

Pryors stacked resume is to blame here,Not me.

I don't see how people rate Muhammad Ali over Trevor berbick or Mike Tyson over Danny Williams either.

GJC
09-23-2009, 11:47 AM
To be fair none of them has got a top notch resume but you can level that against fighters who are on the ATG list.