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1SILVA
09-17-2009, 12:11 AM
Who do you consider the best boxer ever to come out of Japan? I am partial to Yoko Gushiken, a great body puncher who had tremendous stamina

JAB5239
09-17-2009, 12:33 AM
Who do you consider the best boxer ever to come out of Japan? I am partial to Yoko Gushiken, a great body puncher who had tremendous stamina

Fighting Harada. Don't know anything about Gushiken but will chech him out.

Harada's wins over Jofre and Medal are huge though.

1SILVA
09-17-2009, 12:39 AM
Fighting Harada. Don't know anything about Gushiken but will chech him out.

Harada's wins over Jofre and Medal are huge though.

On the video trading block forum, komai has a 1978 fight of Gushiken. Harada is in the IBHOF, so he is probably the best from japan. Watch Gushiken, you will enjoy his fighting style. A very underrated fighter.

JAB5239
09-17-2009, 12:44 AM
On the video trading block forum, komai has a 1978 fight of Gushiken. Harada is in the IBHOF, so he is probably the best from japan. Watch Gushiken, you will enjoy his fighting style. A very underrated fighter.

I will check him out. Thank you.

mhager91490
09-17-2009, 02:33 AM
Fighting Harada without a doubt, he won his first title against the highly skilled Thailander Pone Kingpetch at nineteen I think it was, his run at Bantam was one of the best and he even had success as high as featherweight. I will post his first fight with Pone Kingpetch on Youtube soon.

Silencers
09-17-2009, 05:43 AM
I'd go with Harada as well.

The Monk
09-17-2009, 11:41 AM
Yep, Fighting Harada for me as well.

Gushiken had a great run at light-fly, 13 defences I think, but he didn't really beat any stand-out names and didn't attempt to unify the titles.

Spartacus Sully
09-17-2009, 02:36 PM
I hear Ippo Makunochi's pretty good but i dont know if i would call him the greatest

BennyST
09-18-2009, 12:22 PM
Fighting Harada for me too. Amazing fighter. Jiro Watanabe is also great.

There are quite a few very fine fighters though. I always liked 'Guts' Ishimatsu. Very fun to watch and a fine champion too. Had a terrible start to his career turning pro very young, which is why his record doesn't really fit with how great he was. Was a wild brawler who turned into a stunning boxer over the course of his career and lost most of his fights while still in his teens but those losses were to some great (and a few not so great) fighters in Ismael Laguna, Lionel Rose, Rene Barrientos. Made a rather amazing turnaround after changing trainers and went on a nearly unbeaten run from 71 to 76 including a great lightweight title run with wins over lightweight champs Rodolfo Gonzalez x 2, Arturo Pineda x2, and HOFer Ken Buchanan, with his only loss in that period to Roberto Duran in 72 for a WBA title shot before finally losing his title to Esteban De Jesus at the end of 76 or 77 and retiring shortly after that.

Check out his fights against the great lightweight champ Rodolfo Gonzalez. Good stuff.

Hiroshi Kobayashi was also a great champion, with a very good boxing style and a highly probably HOF'er. This period for Japan's fighter was by far the best. They had a pile of really amazing fighters and champions that ruled the divisions they were in for quite some time.

Kobayashi: He was the undisputed SFW champ for four years and made seven defenses of his WBA title, giving up the WBC half way through his run. He beat a lot of great fighters among them Yoshiaki Numata (also one of Japans very best champions. Numata beat Flash Elorde for the undisputed SFW titles, as well as Rene Barrientos, Lionel Rose, etc before losing it to Kobayashi but Numata would go on to regain the WBC title after Kobayashi relinquished it), Jaime Valladares 56-3, Antonio Amaya 34-3 x 2, Carlos Ruben Canete 74-4, Ricardo Arredondo 54-4, Rene Barrientos 24-4, Katsutoshi Aoki 46-6, Kang II Suh 32-8 (many people don't know this fighter but he was a great contender during this time who's only title fight came against Elorde which he lost by decision, but he beat some great fighters too including the undefeated Mando Ramos, Numata, Kobayashi, Arthur Persley 77-7 etc etc), Mitsunori Seki 42-6 (who fought everyone from Sugar Ramos to Pone Kingpetch to Vincente Saldivar). All of these guys were the top fighters and/or champions. Great fighter! Got slaughtered sadly when he moved up to try and beat a young Roberto Duran though.

Some other really fine fighters are Royal Kobayashi, Yoko Gushiken, Hozumi Hasagawa, Joichiro Tatsuyoshi (was a weird mix of a Japanese Aaron Pryor and Arturo Gatti. Fun to watch!), Toshiaki Nishioka, Hideyuki Ohashi, Katsuo Tokashiki (these last two guys were in some of the best fights ever at light-flyweight with Jung Koo Chang, especially the Tokashiki fight!!!!. Must see fights!). All of the above were or are great champs at some point with many titles to their names. There are many more though.

All up the best would probably be Harada, Watanabe, Gushiken, and Kobayashi.

1SILVA
09-18-2009, 12:54 PM
Fighting Harada for me too. Amazing fighter. Jiro Watanabe is also great.

There are quite a few very fine fighters though. I always liked 'Guts' Ishimatsu. Very fun to watch and a fine champion too. Had a terrible start to his career turning pro very young, which is why his record doesn't really fit with how great he was. Was a wild brawler who turned into a stunning boxer over the course of his career and lost most of his fights while still in his teens but those losses were to some great (and a few not so great) fighters in Ismael Laguna, Lionel Rose, Rene Barrientos. Made a rather amazing turnaround after changing trainers and went on a nearly unbeaten run from 71 to 76 including a great lightweight title run with wins over lightweight champs Rodolfo Gonzalez x 2, Arturo Pineda x2, and HOFer Ken Buchanan, with his only loss in that period to Roberto Duran in 72 for a WBA title shot before finally losing his title to Esteban De Jesus at the end of 76 or 77 and retiring shortly after that.

Check out his fights against the great lightweight champ Rodolfo Gonzalez. Good stuff.

Hiroshi Kobayashi was also a great champion, with a very good boxing style and a highly probably HOF'er. This period for Japan's fighter was by far the best. They had a pile of really amazing fighters and champions that ruled the divisions they were in for quite some time.

Kobayashi: He was the undisputed SFW champ for four years and made seven defenses of his WBA title, giving up the WBC half way through his run. He beat a lot of great fighters among them Yoshiaki Numata (also one of Japans very best champions. Numata beat Flash Elorde for the undisputed SFW titles, as well as Rene Barrientos, Lionel Rose, etc before losing it to Kobayashi but Numata would go on to regain the WBC title after Kobayashi relinquished it), Jaime Valladares 56-3, Antonio Amaya 34-3 x 2, Carlos Ruben Canete 74-4, Ricardo Arredondo 54-4, Rene Barrientos 24-4, Katsutoshi Aoki 46-6, Kang II Suh 32-8 (many people don't know this fighter but he was a great contender during this time who's only title fight came against Elorde which he lost by decision, but he beat some great fighters too including the undefeated Mando Ramos, Numata, Kobayashi, Arthur Persley 77-7 etc etc), Mitsunori Seki 42-6 (who fought everyone from Sugar Ramos to Pone Kingpetch to Vincente Saldivar). All of these guys were the top fighters and/or champions. Great fighter! Got slaughtered sadly when he moved up to try and beat a young Roberto Duran though.

Some other really fine fighters are Royal Kobayashi, Yoko Gushiken, Hozumi Hasagawa, Joichiro Tatsuyoshi (was a weird mix of a Japanese Aaron Pryor and Arturo Gatti. Fun to watch!), Toshiaki Nishioka, Hideyuki Ohashi, Katsuo Tokashiki (these last two guys were in some of the best fights ever at light-flyweight with Jung Koo Chang, especially the Tokashiki fight!!!!. Must see fights!). All of the above were or are great champs at some point with many titles to their names. There are many more though.

All up the best would probably be Harada, Watanabe, Gushiken, and Kobayashi.

Great post. Thanks for the insight. The problem is that their is not a lot of available footage of these tremendous fighters. Every great Japanese Wrestler of the last 30 years there is footage available, but not so with the boxers.

BennyST
09-18-2009, 01:25 PM
Great post. Thanks for the insight. The problem is that their is not a lot of available footage of these tremendous fighters. Every great Japanese Wrestler of the last 30 years there is footage available, but not so with the boxers.

Yes, that's sadly very true. Though I'm sure the fights I mentioned up there should be available somewhere. They are very famous fights. Check youtube or the trading block here for them. You should be able to find them.

oniham
09-18-2009, 04:30 PM
I hear Ippo Makunochi's pretty good but i dont know if i would call him the greatest

That damn Ippo Makunochi and his Dempsey roll

w.smith '86
09-18-2009, 11:39 PM
My favorite Japanese fighter is Shinji Takehara. Won the WBC middleweight title and is the highest weight champion in Japanese History.

He was a hard hitter, I think he went 24-1 with like 18 KOs.

Lost to William Joppy after only one defense but I did like watching him fight. It's kind of a what if thing in my opnion, thinking about what would've been had he not detached a retina after the Joppy fight.

1SILVA
09-19-2009, 08:21 AM
Another excellent Japanese fighter was Eijiro Murata. His only two losses were to the great Jeff Chandler, and within one year he fought both the WBC champ Lupe Pintor and the WBA champ Chandler to 15 round draws. With some luck, he would have been the 188 pound crown. Pintor wisely never fought him again, but Chandler, showing he was the best 118 pounder of his time, gave Murata two rematches.

Leakbeak
09-19-2009, 11:18 AM
Doesn't Japan need to produce a noteable fighter before such a thread is warranted? Just because Uncle Paulie made Rocky wear a Kimono robe in the first film, it doesn't mean that he's Japanese! Maybe they should stick to karate and the like

Gettin Jiggy
09-19-2009, 11:28 AM
Fighting Harada

mickey malone
09-23-2009, 09:31 AM
Koichi Wajima is worth a mention.. He was a 2 time WBA L/M champ between 71 & 76, as well as a feared puncher with an all out attacking style.. Not as good as Harada though..

Fighting Cougar
11-01-2009, 02:33 AM
Joichiro Tatsuyoshi was known as a japanese boxing hero, But IMO Fighting Harada.

mhager91490
11-01-2009, 08:43 AM
Joichiro Tatsuyoshi was known as a japanese boxing hero, But IMO Fighting Harada.

Joe Tatsuyoshi is a guy who has been overrated for a his courage and aggresiveness for a long time. We all saw what happened when he got into the ring with an elite fighter in Sahaprom.

TheGreatA
11-01-2009, 10:01 AM
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mhager91490
11-01-2009, 10:13 AM
Fighting Harada-Alan Rudkin

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Fighting Cougar
11-02-2009, 05:42 PM
Joe Tatsuyoshi is a guy who has been overrated for a his courage and aggresiveness for a long time. We all saw what happened when he got into the ring with an elite fighter in Sahaprom.

Well yes, he is no Fighting Harada or anything alike, it was just good to see him in that first Sahaprom fight, and imo he wasnt an elite when he stepped in with Zaragoza he's the one who made it clear after that it was all courage with tatsuyoshi.

BennyST
11-02-2009, 10:43 PM
Joe Tatsuyoshi is a guy who has been overrated for a his courage and aggresiveness for a long time. We all saw what happened when he got into the ring with an elite fighter in Sahaprom.

Well, yes, but Sahaprom was a very, very special fighter. Could have been one of the ATG's, and I mean true ATG's, if he hadn't started so late. If he had started as a teenager instead of in his mid twenties, nearly thirty, can you imagine how good he would have been?

Anyway, Sahaprom is an ATG already, just a lower tier kind of one. One of the greatest BW's ever in my opinion. Great offense mixed with beautiful defense. Really great to watch. Very natural fighter.

mickey malone
11-03-2009, 04:43 AM
Well, yes, but Sahaprom was a very, very special fighter. Could have been one of the ATG's, and I mean true ATG's, if he hadn't started so late. If he had started as a teenager instead of in his mid twenties, nearly thirty, can you imagine how good he would have been?

Anyway, Sahaprom is an ATG already, just a lower tier kind of one. One of the greatest BW's ever in my opinion. Great offense mixed with beautiful defense. Really great to watch. Very natural fighter.
Glad somebody mentioned Sahaprom.. He's a big time hero out here..
There's some extremely good fighters in Thailand, but due to corruption, there's a shortage of rich people to sponsor them.. Because of this stranglehold, it's only the big corporate companies, that can afford to do this.. In some cases, the fighter has to change his name to that of the sponsor.. One poor sod, & a sound world champion to boot was a certain Megadon 3K Battery lol.. No wonder, they don't get the reconition!

Geez!... If I had the wonga, thre'd be a little coffee coloured mickey malone, right up there with the very best of em!

mickey malone
11-04-2009, 02:24 AM
I wouldn't say he was the greatest Japanese fighter, but I'm surprised nobody mentioned Ohba Masai who was flyweight champion between 70 & 73..
Like Salvador Sanchez, he was an undefeated world champ, who was also killed in a car crash..

mhager91490
11-04-2009, 03:03 AM
I wouldn't say he was the greatest Japanese fighter, but I'm surprised nobody mentioned Ohba Masai who was flyweight champion between 70 & 73..
Like Salvador Sanchez, he was an undefeated world champ, who was also killed in a car crash..

Masao Ohba from the few fights I have seen of him was a very workmanlike fighter, he wasn't very fast or powerful but he got the job done and he had to get off the floor to win a few fights. He did very well with his career with the tools he was given.

mhager91490
11-04-2009, 03:06 AM
Well, yes, but Sahaprom was a very, very special fighter. Could have been one of the ATG's, and I mean true ATG's, if he hadn't started so late. If he had started as a teenager instead of in his mid twenties, nearly thirty, can you imagine how good he would have been?

Anyway, Sahaprom is an ATG already, just a lower tier kind of one. One of the greatest BW's ever in my opinion. Great offense mixed with beautiful defense. Really great to watch. Very natural fighter.

It never set well with me that Galaxy gets all of the praise he gets but an excellent Thai fighter like Sahaprom gets looked over, in the same line of thinking Khaokor gets passed over too much for his brother as well.

mickey malone
11-04-2009, 11:39 PM
Masao Ohba from the few fights I have seen of him was a very workmanlike fighter, he wasn't very fast or powerful but he got the job done and he had to get off the floor to win a few fights. He did very well with his career with the tools he was given.
Agreed.. I don't think he'd have become an ATG, but was still a very good fighter.. Trust me to get his name, arse about face lol..