I realize this is a historical book, but still offensive none the less.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29223&item=6948548407&rd=1

Wow...
That's pretty offensive, in my opinion.

That is ridicolous, I don't know if he's wrong for selling it, or if the author is more wrong for writing it.

At least the seller is moving an historically significant collectible; posting it on these boards for the sake of posting it is what's offensive.

There are tons of other items like this one in existence. Are they coming next? I'm not sure what the point of linking this book is....

Sorry neils, didnt mean to offend
YOU!!

I just was a little bit shocked to see it on ebay. Even though it is historical, its not a part of history we should be proud of. I dont know why we would want to keep these type of things around, and I certainly dont know why anyone would want to own such an item.
Im not saying we should destory things like this and cover up the fact that this used to be a very racist nation, but collecting this stuff? I dont know about that.

Sorry neils, didnt mean to offend
YOU!!

I just was a little bit shocked to see it on ebay. Even though it is historical, its not a part of history we should be proud of. I dont know why we would want to keep these type of things around, and I certainly dont know why anyone would want to own such an item.
Im not saying we should destory things like this and cover up the fact that this used to be a very racist nation, but collecting this stuff? I dont know about that.

Yeah, the fact that it's on a site for collectors is what is most offensive. Especially the tacky way they sell the item. They seem to be following the eBay rules technically, but all that salesmanship speak is completely inappropriate.

Even though it's possibly the worst thing I've ever seen (at least in print), I think we should keep these things around, if only in archives or other appropriate places. People have a way of forgetting what things were like unless they're reminded now and then. Hopefully something this terrible will keep on horrifying people forever so that they think twice before they start drifting back towards that sort of behaviour.

I took my post down but I guess you had already began to reply.

I didn't know what type of responses you were aiming for by posting the link.

All you posted was the link without any other warning. Probably a disclaimer of some type would be appropriate. People just walking into that...

You didn't offend me. That book is a part of history, just like early silent movies that depicted blacks as simple, stupid, and clumsy people, or advertising with the big lips and exaggerated features. The link didn't bother me, but it might bother others.

At first I thought this was an acquitted or eyeh8you thread.

The collector may not even be racist, either. There are Civil War buffs, Confederate folks, all kinds of people who would find something like that to be a nice addition to Southern memorabilia.

I just thought some other words other than a link might be appropriate...

I took my post down but I guess you had already began to reply.

I didn't know what type of responses you were aiming for by posting the link.

All you posted was the link without any other warning. Probably a disclaimer of some type would be appropriate. People just walking into that...

You didn't offend me. That book is a part of history, just like early silent movies that depicted blacks as simple, stupid, and clumsy people, or advertising with the big lips and exaggerated features. The link didn't bother me, but it might bother others.

At first I thought this was an acquitted or eyeh8you thread.

The collector may not even be racist, either. There are Civil War buffs, Confederate folks, all kinds of people who would find something like that to be a nice addition to Southern memorabilia.

I just thought some other words other than a link might be appropriate...

I understand your point. Like I said, I was shocked to see the item on ebay so I posted it on this bored to get comments from you guys. I posted it without thinking about it too much, but I didnt think that it would offend, I thought it would be a good conversational topic. And it looks like it is.

It is offensive and I understand how some people wouldnt want to see that. I did put the word offensive in the title of the thread so I dont know how anyone could claim to be blindsided by clicking on the link. when I see offensive and I choose to click on a link I pretty much expect anything. We have seen a lot worse on this site. The last thing I am looking to do is offend the militant PC crowd. ;)

On a similar topic, has anyone seen Ghost World and remember the whole Cook's Chicken thing? That whole part of the story was just incredible.

I understand your point. Like I said, I was shocked to see the item on ebay so I posted it on this bored to get comments from you guys. I posted it without thinking about it too much, but I didnt think that it would offend, I thought it would be a good conversational topic. And it looks like it is.

It is offensive and I understand how some people wouldnt want to see that. I did put the word offensive in the title of the thread so I dont know how anyone could claim to be blindsided by clicking on the link. when I see offensive and I choose to click on a link I pretty much expect anything. We have seen a lot worse on this site. The last thing I am looking to do is offend the militant PC crowd. ;)

"offensive" can encompass a lot. For all we knew, it was an Iraqi abuse photo autographed by Lyndie England.

Imagine being an African-American and clicking the link blindly. I just thought you might label the link like you might label nudity, that's all.

Also, by not saying why you're linking it, you're not saying why you're posting something offensive. No one knows how to respond to it. Jack's like "yeah, that's offensive." Like, now what?

I wasn't calling you out, just hoping to see something clarified. I didn't figure this was the equivalent of an acquitted post, but I thought, "Yeah, and?"

That book is extremely offensive by todays standards. However, Such items must be viewed with historical perspective.

I'll tell you what I don't like is black kids calling each other the "n" word. There is just no placew for that in todays society.

On a similar topic, has anyone seen Ghost World and remember the whole Cook's Chicken thing? That whole part of the story was just incredible.

Ive never seen that. what is it all about?

No kidding, that is quite offensive. The book itself it very offensive. I remember when I was a kid, there was a resturaunt called "Sambos". They had to change the name because of an old book called "Little Black Sambo", and I have the book. It isn't remotely close to this one. The one I have is about a little boy in the jungle. A bit like "The jungle book"

Ive never seen that. what is it all about?

One of the characters on the show work's for a place called "Cook's Chicken", which is supposed to be a popular fast-food chicken place that's been around for a long time. Anyway, the guy who works there happens to have an old sign from when the place had a different name...I won't write it out, but just replace the 'k' in Cook's with an 'n', and you'll know what I mean. He has a catalogue of all the old logos and shows how it evolved from a cigar chomping African-American to a happy, innocent-looking blonde woman in a chef's hat.

It's all fictional, but the point is still important. I can't really do the story justice by describing it, but it's really interesting. One of the ideas is that all the PC-ness that has developed over the past ten to twenty years often just hides people's beliefs instead of improving them. You can see that a lot with the "extreme" politics that have developed at the same time, both on the left and right wings. People are careful about the words they use but they are just as fanatical as they ever were.

I'm not saying that America or the world is just as racist now and it was several decades ago...that issue's talked about in the movie, too.

Little Black Sambo was also written in the late 1800's. The story is a very nice one that has won critical acclaim. The biggest problem is the title. If you changed it to little boy blue or anything that isn't concidered a racial slur, there would be no criticism surrounding it.

Little Black Sambo was also written in the late 1800's. The story is a very nice one that has won critical acclaim. The biggest problem is the title. If you changed it to little boy blue or anything that isn't concidered a racial slur, there would be no criticism surrounding it.

The illustrations are pretty brutal as well, aren't they? I've seen that book once or twice.

Indicenatlly, didn't Agatha Christie have a book that had the same name as the one in that auction? I believe that later it was changed to "Ten Little Indians", and then changed again later when "Indians" became unacceptable.

On a similar note, the Disney film "Song of the South" featuring the Uncle Remus stoires with Br'er Rabbit and the gang has never been released on home video in the US because of the supposed racial overtones.

Heres the interesting background on this story.

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/sots.htm

On a similar note, the Disney film "Song of the South" featuring the Uncle Remus stoires with Br'er Rabbit and the gang has never been released on home video in the US because of the supposed racial overtones.

Heres the interesting background on this story.

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/sots.htm

Hey, that's an interesting story. I knew the film was "taboo" but I didn't know the details. Seems funny that Disney still has a Br'er Rabbit attraction at its theme parks (Splash Mountain), though I guess like the article says the objections weren't with the story themselves.

Wasn't the whole Uncle Remus story revived during the Atlanta Olympics? I seem to remember a story on the CBC up here that was similar to that, and seemed to be to just as suspiciously sanitized and idealized as the Disney version.

If I'm remembering this right, the slang used by reporters in the early 20th century that supposedly represented the way African-Americans spoke was called "Uncle Remus" speech, or something like that.

The Looney Tunes Cartoons from the 1920's-1940's were pretty racist as well.

http://bosko.toonzone.net/images/bosko-logo.gif

As a kid, a commonly used colour was n***** brown, to describe the colour of shoes etc. I remember being took for a pair of shoes in said colour, the term was bandied about quite openly. At that point in time, for most people it had no racist connotations it was just a hangover from the bad old days. i wouldn't dream of using it these days, and haven't heard it used since the late sixties. As for cartoons, look at Tom and Jerry. The only human in the scene was invariably the legs of the black lady and certainly from some of the cartoons she wasn't the hired help. These were made in the 40's and 50's so perhaps the producers were a little enlightened (sorry, big T&J fan ;) )

Lol :D

That is crazy, totally offensive. Never the less, its history. Just imaging what times were like back than.

I have a copy of Song of the South. The mess surrounding that movie is different that with this book. The most offensive part of the movie is a cartoon that involves Brer Rabbit becoming a "tar baby". Uncle Remus's character portrayal by James Baskett is delightful. Disney has been criticized for showing the post-emancipation relationship as friendly between the ex-slaves and masters, but the little "colored" boy isn't allowed to come to the white boy's birthday party and the black folk still keep mainly to themselves, singing spirituals and hanging out around bonfires outside while the white folk live in the houses - all that, while I'm not a history expert, seems to be historically at least partially accurate. From what I understand, the book is much more offensive than what turned up on the screen.

Song of the South has a fantastic performance by Baskett as Remus, is notable for being the first live action-cartoon hybrid feature, and features the famous song "Zip-idee-doo-dah". So I got a bootleg DVD that is decent quality for collector's sake.

That being said, I won't let my small children watch it until they are much older and have learned some history and we can discuss why the characters interact the way they did and a brief history of the civil rights movement...

People like to criticise historical figures, books, art, etc. based on the standards of today.

I consider myself somewhat of a historian and I can tell you that critiquing the past without an historical and cultural understanding of the time is pointless.

An example is that some people criticise Thomas Jefferson for owning slaves. What they don't understand is that African Americans were not even considered human beings in the 1700's. They were considerd a lesser species. Appalling by today's standards? Absolutely. But it doesn't mean Jefferson was a racist or a bad person. He was simply at the mercy of the world view of his time. As we all are.

Believe me 200-300 years from now, assuming the human race is still around, they will look back at us and judge us just as harshly as we judge those in our past.

People like to criticise historical figures, books, art, etc. based on the standards of today.

I consider myself somewhat of a historian and I can tell you that critiqing the past without an historical and cultural understanding of the time is pointless.

An example is that some people criticise Thomas Jefferson for owning slaves. What they don't understand is that African Americans were not even considered human beings in the 1700's. They were considerd a lesser species. Appalling by today's standards? Absolutely. But it doesn't mean Jefferson was a racist or a bad person. He was simply at the mercy of the world view of his time. As we all are.

Believe me 200-300 years from now, assuming the human race is still around, they will look back at us and judge us just as harshly as we judge those in our past.

People will look back on 2004 and be absolutely shocked that we still discriminated against homosexuals the way we do now. Things evolve and so do people and mindsets. There's a short propaganda film that's only 50 years old you can download at archive.org that called "Know Your Enemy - Japan." It's just as racist as the book in this thread. It's embarassing that it was made at a time when my grandparents were teenagers - some of that line of thinking still remains with them...

You might be right. I'm not sure homosexuality will ever be accepted as normal by the general population.

You are correct about the portrayal of the Japanese during the 1940's. I've been to the National Archives in Washington many times and once saw a fascinating exhibit of WWII war/propaganda posters. The Japanese were portrayed as vermin, rats, subhuman.

And after Pearl Harbor Americans were happy to accept that stereotype. You didn't see us rounding up German-Americans and sticking them in Interment camps.

god job thx

On a similar topic, has anyone seen Ghost World and remember the whole Cook's Chicken thing? That whole part of the story was just incredible.


yeah, it's ****ed up but, the new "political correctness" just pushes all that **** under the rug, BUT IT'S STILL THERE...i like what "the human stain" had to say about political correctness


and as for that racist book, it's a great book ...FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!

I dont know why we would want to keep these type of things around, and I certainly dont know why anyone would want to own such an item.
Im not saying we should destory things like this and cover up the fact that this used to be a very racist nation, but collecting this stuff? I dont know about that.

If we're not collecting them, and not owning them, and not 'keeping them around', but not destroying them, then wtf are we doing with them? :)

I think while things like this are not suitable influences for children, they have their place. Reading them now is unsettling/offensive to most people, but its still important history. That was obviously a view of what was acceptable back then. By looking back, we can appreciate how far our society has come. As stated, people will look back on us and wonder 'wtf' about something completely normal to us now.

People like to criticise historical figures, books, art, etc. based on the standards of today.

I consider myself somewhat of a historian and I can tell you that critiquing the past without an historical and cultural understanding of the time is pointless.

An example is that some people criticise Thomas Jefferson for owning slaves. What they don't understand is that African Americans were not even considered human beings in the 1700's. They were considerd a lesser species. Appalling by today's standards? Absolutely. But it doesn't mean Jefferson was a racist or a bad person. He was simply at the mercy of the world view of his time. As we all are.

Believe me 200-300 years from now, assuming the human race is still around, they will look back at us and judge us just as harshly as we judge those in our past.

I see what you're saying, but there's a fine line between accepting people's faults and pretending that they don't exist. The problem is that a lot of people don't even know, say, that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. People bring it up because usually that part of his life is ignored. It's buried underneath the hero-worship that goes on with the "Founding Fathers". This sort of thing always happens with people who are revered in the past.

Of course we're far from perfect now. People in the future will probably judge us quite harshly. But can you imagine what it would be like if they though that we were perfect? How would that be better? A lot of people think Jefferson was near-perfect. Better to talk about his faults then ignore them, even if we understand that in some ways he was just going along with what everyone else thought at the time.

this is far more offensive

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500 feckin quid for tickets worth 150 :eek:

and this one less offensive unless you happen to be a german gardener, love the last comment he makes.

German gardener has been told to cough up almost £1 million by an online auction company after winning bids for a luxury house, expensive car and a small aeroplane were made in his name.

Thomas Vogel, from Munich, said he thought it was a bad joke when he received emails from Ebay telling him he had successfully bid for items totalling £976,000.

The 22-year-old said: "I had to ask my girlfriend to check the emails as I couldn't believe what I was reading."

As well as a large property worth more than £830,000, he had also bought a Mercedes Roadster worth £101,000 and a light aircraft worth £27,000, among other objects.

Mr Vogel immediately told Ebay, and the police, that he had not bid for any of the items but the auctioneers said the contracts had to be honoured.

Ebay spokeswoman Heike Fuss told German newspaper Abendzeitung: "We are very careful to make sure that our security system has no holes in it and that it can't be attacked by hackers.

"In the past there have been one or two similar cases where customers claim not to have bought the goods, but we do not believe it was the work of hackers. More than likely they were not careful with their passwords."

Mr Vogel said he has now started to receive legal notices from the companies whose products he bought through Ebay, demanding that he either pay up or face court action.

He said: "I don't know what I'm going to do or how I'm going to pay. I can't plant that many trees." :eek:

wow
i think at the time
the book wasnt offencive at the time.
but now days with all the political
correcnes there is going out
this book is pretty ****ign offencive.
yet im not african american, but besides the
"N" word i didnt see any racist comments.

wow , they are getting good money for some of that stuff, I only got 36 bucks for the sopranos banner i put up there

damn thats not cool :eek:

i think coz its from 1897 the black poeple neva had much repest not being racist but they were slaved so they never had a moral status and i think thats where thats came from ,

however i still think its offensive

i think coz its from 1897 the black poeple neva had much repest not being racist but they were slaved so they never had a moral status and i think thats where thats came from ,

however i still think its offensive

Wow. absolutely brilliant. :rolleyes:

Okay - is it offensive Round 2:

This pic came off of a site that usually just has its daily pic being a political cartoon or picture, sometimes doctored, sometimes captioned. This particular picture struck me as a racist image immediately and I wondered what it was doing on the page.

Then a few days later, I noticed it must have caused quite a stir with some other readers, too.

What's you guys's take?

Offensive or an innocent picture that people rushed to judgment on?

http://img110.exs.cx/img110/210/babydog8da.jpg

SITE DISCLAIMER:
This innocent image of a baby doing what all babies do... put everything in their mouthes..
caused quite a stir! Visitors assumed it had some deeper meaning. Several emails
suggested it was a "racist" image. It's sad that people see an asian baby and not just
a baby. It's worse that people can't see something humorous in the most
simple of images. It certainly speaks to our times. - Webmaster

if it was a china baby putting a cat in its mouth i could understand (and laugh to) but i dont get why that pic would be offensive.

if it was a china baby putting a cat in its mouth i could understand (and laugh to) but i dont get why that pic would be offensive.

I'm not very good at determining what Asian country someone is from; I know that some countries do eat dog. My first thought was that the pic was a slam at those that do.

Now I almost feel guilty...if it was a white kid, I'm not sure what my reaction to the pic would have been...

It's true that we judge other people though in relation to how we view ourselves; I wonder what an Asian person's reaction to the pic would be

People get so wound up over **** like this. Yes, its tasteless, yes its offensive but to remove it is also censorship and an over reaction. Words and books aren't racist. Context and thoughts are racists, but words aren't.

People need to stop being so P.C. Laugh at stuff like retard jokes. Don't be a mindless sheep. In the words of Dennis Miller "Piss off against it all, rebel against it all and most importantly LAUGH at it all because the only that seperates holy scripture from totally bull**** is your perspective.

I think its just a picture poking fun at an asian stereotype. What may make it offensive is that its a picture of a baby. If it was picture of a grown Chinese guy eating an actual dog, I dont know what people would be able to say about it. The fact of the matter is that some people of asian decent eat dogs. I guess the more I think about it, its kind of sick to use that picture as an asian joke. Its like saying "Look! This kid is learning how to eat dogs as a baby like the rest of the asians!" Or something like that. Its just silly and im not offended. Im not asisn either so that could have something to do with it. I wonder if the Pinoy crowd is offended by the pic, or if it just makes them hungry?? :joke: Chill...

I think its just a picture poking fun at an asian stereotype. What may make it offensive is that its a picture of a baby. If it was picture of a grown Chinese guy eating an actual dog, I dont know what people would be able to say about it. Its a ****ing asian guy eating a dog, and im sure it happens hundreds of times a day. The fact of the matter is that some people of asian decent eat dogs. I guess the more I think about it, its kind of sick to use that picture as an asian joke. Its like saying "Look! This kid is learning how to eat dogs as a baby like the rest of the asians!" Or something like that. Its silly, but im not offended. Im not asisn either so that could have something to do with it. I wonder if the Pinoy crowd is offended by the pic, or if it just makes them hungry?? :joke: Chill...

thats racist, eating a black puppy, what will you feel if it was a white puppy ...

I'm not offended. :D

On a similar note, the Disney film "Song of the South" featuring the Uncle Remus stoires with Br'er Rabbit and the gang has never been released on home video in the US because of the supposed racial overtones.

Heres the interesting background on this story.

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/sots.htm

Though SNL did a HILARIOUS Uncle Remus spoof. You know the uncle Jemima's pure mash liquor sketch?

You can purchase Song of the South at songofthesouth.biz. My copy was very good quality, with extras, chapter selections...

Funny when I saw that picture, my first thought was about animal cruelty and the idiot parents of that unfortunate child. Didn't even strike me about the child being asian and eating a dog.

I don't really find it racist to say some asian cultures eat dogs anyhow. If that were a picture of an american baby eating a chicken, I wouldn't be offended because it depicted americans as eating chickens, I'd be pissed if it looked like the chicken were in pain. Not pissed at the child, children are innocent (mostly). Pissed at the parents.

I saw a rerun of Cops (a show I hate usually) and this ****ing idiot let two of his kids, all 4 years old or younger, tumble out of his truck (they were sitting in the cab with him, not in the back). Then he stopped, quickly piled them back into the truck, and drove for several miles to an adult video store before checking on the well-being of his own kids. ****ed up. His kids had a near death experience, but damn it, daddy's getting his ****! Then deal with the kids.

oh what was the auction for? its been removed

It was for a book. Ten little ******s. I don't know if you ever learned the song in school "ten little indians" well back 100 years ago it was 10 little ******s. The book was like 100 years old, so I think people thought of it as history not entertainment, so it wasn't really racist.

Funny I just bought Song of the South for my uncle. He had been looking for it. I can understand why they say it is racist, but my God, Driving Miss Daisy wasn't? lol, seriously.

And Song of the South is a good little movie.

Brer Rabbit punches a tar baby I think. But it shows Rabbit's stupidity for doing such.