who gave Ali a hardes Fight
Liston
or
Foreman

who gave Ali a hardes Fight
Liston
or
Foreman
none of the two

he made liston a coward mother___
he toyed foreman with his rope-a-dope trick

frazier gave him three unforgettable fights, all historic in the sport

:boxing: Frazier gave him the toughest fights. :boxing:

Joe Frazier gave Ali his hardest fights...

Between Liston & Foreman it was definitely Foreman who gave the hardest fight. Liston didn't really do jack to Ali either time. Even though Ali did the famous rope-a-dope to Foreman, Big George was still landing some big ass shots, even if most of them were to Ali's arms. Foreman blocked shots hurt too.

Holmes gave Ali his worst beating I thought. I just feel sick seeing that fight. Ali had no business in that ring at that point, period.

The worst I've seen him hurt in his prime was against Henry Cooper. In terms of dragging him into a war I'd go with Frazier.

His fights with Norton weren't exactly easy either. Matter of fact, Norton's the only guy to break Ali's jaw..

Out of the two id have to say Foreman as the only time Ali looked as though he was in any trouble at all against Liston was when he claimed he couldnt see during the first fight, the knockout in the second also looked very dubious, the fight had barley started.
Overall though i dont think there is any question that Fraizer pushed him to the limit like no one else at the time could.

It would have been a better thread if you said Norton and Frazier..

Between those two, Foreman. Why do you think Ali did the rope-a-dope?

- D

Holmes gave Ali his worst beating I thought. I just feel sick seeing that fight. Ali had no business in that ring at that point, period.
In the time when Ali fought Holmes he was just a standing corpse. Any HW on that time could give Ali a big beating with just a few slaps so that fight is pointless.

Between Liston and Foreman, Foreman gave him the tougher fights.

Frazier gave him the toughest fights overall, with Henry Cooper, and Ken Norton close seconds.

I fell that Norton was robbed against Ali as well.

Between those two, Foreman. Why do you think Ali did the rope-a-dope?

- D
Because of a rope-a-dope "technique" fight with Foreman was not very hard. Ali took all big shots on gloves and ropes helped him a lot. The fight with Frazier III was most hard, Ali told that this was the closest thing to dye of. He was sitting for a few minutes on the middle of the ring before he could stand up. It's possible that he could not finish the 15th round at all. The whole evening after fight Ali spent in his bed recovering, while Frazier was dancing and singing in the lobby.

Liston didn't really compete...

Foreman gave him a tough one, but Ali knew what he had to do to win...

Frazier is the winner here...Ali just had to fight it out with him in three tough fights...Lost the first one, won the second, the 3rd was pretty much even until the final rounds...

who gave Ali a hardes Fight
Liston
or
Foreman

Neither one.....He exposed those chumps as paper champions. Ali's hardest fight was clearly the first Frazier fight. Called simply 'The Fight' it lived up to the hype and has with stood the test of time.

Neither one.....He exposed those chumps as paper champions.

Would you like to name some heavyweights who are not either:

"chumps". or "Paper Champions".

I cant wait to see Tyson's name in the list. A true paper champion at its finest.

To Mike Hunt

Yeah, Liston and Foreman only paper champs? dude, I dont believe that you have any clue as to what you are saying. Foreman wins the gold at the olympics ko's frazier. Ya, you may be right, he only looks tough on paper,lmao And Liston, that guy was feared by everybody, he was a murderous puncher. But i suppose that liston could not even punch through the paper that his title was fabricated on. Get real dude...Rockin'

Would you like to name some heavyweights who are not either:

"chumps". or "Paper Champions".

I cant wait to see Tyson's name in the list. A true paper champion at its finest.

Did I hurt your feelings or can't anyone have a different opinion than yours?

Who did Liston ever beat? A scared Floyd Patterson twice? One title defense for Liston, two at the most? After his lose to Ali Liston was basically never heard from again.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting to be labeled great.

Did I hurt your feelings or can't anyone have a different opinion than yours?


It is hard to trust your credibility when you do not have the balls to defend a fighter.

and all you do is rip them apart. There are many people like you on these forums, easy to talk smack.

Get worried when they have to back it up.

Post your "supposed" list of heavies that outweighs mine, and will not be "rejected" like you say.
:boxing:

To Mike Hunt

Yeah, Liston and Foreman only paper champs? dude, I dont believe that you have any clue as to what you are saying. Foreman wins the gold at the olympics ko's frazier. Ya, you may be right, he only looks tough on paper,lmao And Liston, that guy was feared by everybody, he was a murderous puncher. But i suppose that liston could not even punch through the paper that his title was fabricated on. Get real dude...Rockin'


The question was who gave Ali the hardest fight, I said neither.
Liston quit on Ali in the first fight and may have taken a dive in the second fight. Real impressive, whos clueless?

the liston and foreman fights were not ali's hardest fights. the guy who gave him the most trouble was doug jones, who he fought in 1963, cassius clay (as he was then) barely escaped with a 10 round decision.

to mikehunt,

with all do respect, I was responding to your statement of Liston and Foreman being paper champions. If you would like to divert my question with a thoughtless jab, then I would like to drop a right hand over that thoughtless poke and ask you, how are Liston and Foreman paper champions.........Rockin'

with all do respect, I was responding to your statement of Liston and Foreman being paper champions. If you would like to divert my question with a thoughtless jab, then I would like to drop a right hand over that thoughtless poke and ask you, how are Liston and Foreman paper champions.........Rockin'

I don't usually give history lessons.....

Other than beating a scared to death Floyd Patterson to win the title, who did Liston beat? No one. Other than his title defense againt a still scared to death Patterson, how many defenses did Liston make? None. After the second loss to Ali did Liston was basically never heard from again.

Foremans career looks alot like Listons. Big win over Frazier, great win over Frazier. After that?

Slip your lazy right, land devestating left hook and still champion!

It is hard to trust your credibility when you do not have the balls to defend a fighter.

and all you do is rip them apart. There are many people like you on these forums, easy to talk smack.

Get worried when they have to back it up.

Post your "supposed" list of heavies that outweighs mine, and will not be "rejected" like you say.
:boxing:

Is it the reading or understanding what you have read that is the problem here? I have backed up my opinion each and every time I have responded tough guy.........

Is it the reading or understanding what you have read that is the problem here? I have backed up my opinion each and every time I have responded tough guy.........

you criticise me and my list,

and you have yet to formulate a better one. That is all I am saying.

ken norton gave ali the most trouble joe frazier is second.

you criticise me and my list,

and you have yet to formulate a better one. That is all I am saying.

I quit, you win.................Great List.

I don't usually give history lessons.....

Other than beating a scared to death Floyd Patterson to win the title, who did Liston beat? No one. Other than his title defense againt a still scared to death Patterson, how many defenses did Liston make? None. After the second loss to Ali did Liston was basically never heard from again.

Foremans career looks alot like Listons. Big win over Frazier, great win over Frazier. After that?

Slip your lazy right, land devestating left hook and still champion!


Trust me, you are no champion. I am on my feet. That hook only looked devastating because when it glanced my shoulder I happened to slip in the vomit that was on the canvas that I heaved up when I read your original comment. It does not matter if Floyd was scared or if you didnt like Floyd, the fact is that he was the champion and Liston took that from him. Besides, Liston beat who was out there at the time of him coming up. He took out Cleveland Williams twice I believe and that man was no tomato can. As for Foreman, taking out Wepner and Chuvalo may not be impressive at all to you but they were two of the descent guys on the scene. If knocking out Joe Fraizer is nothing of an accomplishment, or knocking him out twice means nothing than Fraizer must have not been anybody on the heavyweight scene. And we all know that Ken Norton wasnt **** either. The belt that you claim to wear is tainted and in your imagination.

Just last week my mother made me promise her that I would quit slapping retards, therefore I must with draw from this rediculous debate with you. You win mike, your correct when you degrade George Foreman and Sonny Liston, they were ****.

I do believe that we have another paper champion on our hands. All hail boxing scene paper champion, Mikehunt.........Rockin'

I thought it was Antonio Inoki! It was his most frustrating fight and almost bored him to death:p Seriously, there was more to it than being an early MMA spectacle. Ali scouted Inoki a few days before the fight, and got scared as hell when he saw the grappling that Inoki was doing. :boxing:

the liston and foreman fights were not ali's hardest fights. the guy who gave him the most trouble was doug jones, who he fought in 1963, cassius clay (as he was then) barely escaped with a 10 round decision.

really? never heard of this fight how did he fight him?

Didn't Ali himself said that his third with Frazier was the toughest fight of his life, he gave everything he had and if Frazier didn't quit in the 14th he had no gas left in the tank?

Did I heard that or it was just a dream?

Didn't Ali himself said that his third with Frazier was the toughest fight of his life, he gave everything he had and if Frazier didn't quit in the 14th he had no gas left in the tank?

Did I heard that or it was just a dream?

Exactly (beside Frazier didin't want to quit but his traineer gave up the fight), that should cut off any further speculations.

Didn't Ali himself said that his third with Frazier was the toughest fight of his life, he gave everything he had and if Frazier didn't quit in the 14th he had no gas left in the tank?

Did I heard that or it was just a dream?

yes your right mann
the George Foreman was also a tough fight, but ali pulled it off

foreman was a little bit harder than liston, but the hardest has to be joe frazier, and george chuvallo who wouldn't give up...

really? never heard of this fight how did he fight him?
it was at the garden, jones was a good fighter with a decievingly patchy record. clay got hurt in the first from a right hand, hurt jones in the second, and after failing to stop jones in the forth (as he had predicted) jones came on and won the fifth,sixth,seventh and eighth rounds. clay dug his heels in in the nineth and tenth to win a close decision 5-4, 1 even. it was'nt a popular decision and there was debris thrown into the ring afterwards. jones wanted a rematch but never got one.