View Full Version : Gunnar Barlund


Boxing_12
09-15-2009, 02:25 PM
A fighter that is never talked about in the boxing world! He was European Amateur champion at heavyweight in Budapest, Hungary in 1934; beat H. P. Floyd of England in the final.

Had over 80 fights. Stopped Buddy Bear, and even made the front cover of a ring magazine.

He was also from Finland, a country that dosent get to many good boxers. any footage of him around, billy conn stopped him in 8.

TheGreatA
09-15-2009, 02:30 PM
Here's some footage of one of his last fights:

http://www.yle.fi/player/player.jsp?actionpage=3&id=7290&locale=

Likely the best boxer that Finland ever produced, not that too many boxers have come out of Finland. He was once ranked number 3 (early on in his career) and another time number 2 contender (after stopping Baer) for Joe Louis' title by the Ring Magazine, unfortunately Bärlund was injured when the fight was close to being made.

Bärlund was a strong body puncher. His best ever display was against the giant Buddy Baer when he stopped the much bigger man with a relentless body attack. Another one of his big wins was avenging an earlier loss in the Olympics against Alberto Lovell, the Olympic gold medalist. Bärlund outpointed Lovell in the pros.

Boxing_12
09-15-2009, 02:56 PM
Here's some footage of one of his last fights:

http://www.yle.fi/player/player.jsp?actionpage=3&id=7290&locale=

Likely the best boxer that Finland ever produced, not that too many boxers have come out of Finland. He was once ranked number 3 (early on in his career) and another time number 2 contender (after stopping Baer) for Joe Louis' title by the Ring Magazine, unfortunately Bärlund was injured when the fight was close to being made.

Bärlund was a strong body puncher. His best ever display was against the giant Buddy Baer when he stopped the much bigger man with a relentless body attack. Another one of his big wins was avenging an earlier loss in the Olympics against Alberto Lovell, the Olympic gold medalist. Bärlund outpointed Lovell in the pros.

Is he a icon in Finland? And how do you think he would of faired against Louis, and did Conn just destroy him?

TheGreatA
09-15-2009, 02:57 PM
There was a lot of controversy about the Billy Conn-Gunnar Bärlund fight.

I don't know all the details but Bärlund ended up losing his purse and was suspended for a year by the Illinois athletic commission because the fight was suspected of being a possible fix or atleast a quitjob. No one thought Conn could stop the much bigger, durable Bärlund.

According to Bärlund's own words, the fight was competitive, a little too competitive in fact (putting the Louis-Conn bout at risk) until his crooked manager Paul Damski decided to throw in the towel for reasons unknown to him. His manager stated he stopped the fight due to a cut although the ring doctor had allowed Bärlund to continue. Bärlund never forgave him, and testified against his manager, claiming he was not in on anything and wanted to fight on.

Boxing_12
09-15-2009, 03:00 PM
There was a lot of controversy about the Billy Conn-Gunnar Bärlund fight.

I don't know all the details but Bärlund ended up losing his purse and was suspended for a year by the Illinois athletic commission because the fight was suspected of being a possible fix or atleast a quitjob. No one thought Conn could stop the much bigger, durable Bärlund.

According to Bärlund's own words, the fight was competitive, a little too competitive in fact (putting the Louis-Conn bout at risk) until his crooked manager Paul Damski decided to throw in the towel for reasons unknown to him. His manager stated he stopped the fight due to a cut although the ring doctor had allowed Bärlund to continue. Bärlund never forgave him, and testified against his manager, claiming he was not in on anything and wanted to fight on.

Wow, so he was giving Conn a good fight, and why did Barlund's manager stop it?

Do you think Louis would of stopped Barlund?

TheGreatA
09-15-2009, 03:04 PM
Is he a icon in Finland? And how do you think he would of faired against Louis, and did Conn just destroy him?

He was very popular in his own time but he has largely been forgotten about today.

Here's a statue that was built in his honour:

http://helsinkippusa.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/gb.jpg

http://www.taidemuseo.hel.fi/ximg/0img/gunnar-barlund-10.jpeg

A couple of pictures:

http://hak.fi/gunnarb.jpg

http://www.antekprizering.com/barlundexh3000-1243.jpeg

TheGreatA
09-15-2009, 03:06 PM
Picture from the Conn bout:

http://www.antekprizering.com/connbarlund4540.jpeg

http://www.antekprizering.com/connbarlund5670.jpeg

http://billyconn.net/aPhotos/galleries/fightpic/barlund.jpg

Boxing_12
09-15-2009, 03:08 PM
Picture from the Conn bout:

http://www.antekprizering.com/connbarlund4540.jpeg

http://www.antekprizering.com/connbarlund5670.jpeg

http://billyconn.net/aPhotos/galleries/fightpic/barlund.jpg

I thought you would provide some insightfull information, thanks mate.

TheGreatA
09-15-2009, 03:12 PM
Wow, so he was giving Conn a good fight, and why did Barlund's manager stop it?

Do you think Louis would of stopped Barlund?

According to Bärlund's own words that is. I have not read any good accounts on the fight yet, most have been dealing with the aftermath (the trial with Bärlund and his manager).

Louis would have likely stopped Bärlund who would have been a sitting target to his punches. Now Bärlund was tough but throughout his career he had a problem with cuts. Louis would have cut him up and TKO'd him with sharp punching. The one thing that may have worked in Bärlund's favour was that he could have crowded Louis as was his style, which Louis admitted was a bit of a weakness of his.

I believe the only man to cleanly KO Bärlund was Tommy Gomez at the very end of Bärlund's long career. GJC's favorite Joe Baksi stopped Bärlund in the last round of their fight which is listed as a KO but from what I've read it was a technical stoppage.

Boxing_12
09-15-2009, 03:18 PM
According to Bärlund's own words that is. I have not read any good accounts on the fight yet, most have been dealing with the aftermath (the trial with Bärlund and his manager).

Louis would have likely stopped Bärlund who would have been a sitting target to his punches. Now Bärlund was tough but throughout his career he had a problem with cuts. Louis would have cut him up and TKO'd him with sharp punching. The one thing that may have worked in Bärlund's favour was that he could have crowded Louis as was his style, which Louis admitted was a bit of a weakness of his.

I believe the only man to cleanly KO Bärlund was Tommy Gomez at the very end of Bärlund's long career. GJC's favorite Joe Baksi stopped Bärlund in the last round of their fight which is listed as a KO but from what I've read it was a technical stoppage.

Interesting. How do you think Barlund would of fared against other heavyweights of his era Baer, Schelmling, Walker, Abe Simon etc.

TheGreatA
09-15-2009, 03:29 PM
Interesting. How do you think Barlund would of fared against other heavyweights of his era Baer, Schelmling, Walker, Abe Simon etc.

I think Baer and Schmeling were of higher class than Bärlund to be honest. It's possible that he may have upset Baer on a good night, since Baer could be very inconsistent but that's a rather slim possibility.

Walker was smaller but he had success against many top heavyweights. He was a bit before Bärlund's time but had the two met in their relative primes, Bärlund would have had a decent chance because Walker would have fought his fight. Bärlund had problems with good boxers but in a slugging match he often came out the victor. Walker was as game as any boxer I've ever seen though and could have very well overcome the 30 lb difference in weight.

Simon was extremely strong, durable and had great stamina for a man of his size. Bärlund KO'd Buddy Baer who himself had KO'd Abe Simon.. Baer was in trouble in the early rounds against Simon but he came back to stop Simon with powerful punches to the head and body. Bärlund on the other hand just destroyed and KO'd Baer with body punches.

Bärlund was not the puncher that Buddy Baer was however but he had a good body attack which could have done damage to the much bigger man. It's also possible that Simon would have tired out Bärlund with his size and strength advantage. It's difficult to say without extensive film of both.

Boxing_12
09-15-2009, 03:34 PM
I think Baer and Schmeling were of higher class than Bärlund to be honest. It's possible that he may have upset Baer on a good night, since Baer could be very inconsistent but that's a rather slim possibility.

Walker was smaller but he had success against many top heavyweights. He was a bit before Bärlund's time but had the two met in their relative primes, Bärlund would have had a decent chance because Walker would have fought his fight. Bärlund had problems with good boxers but in a slugging match he often came out the victor. Walker was as game as any boxer I've ever seen though and could have very well overcome the 30 lb difference in weight.

Simon was extremely strong, durable and had great stamina for a man of his size. Bärlund KO'd Buddy Baer who himself had KO'd Abe Simon.. Baer was in trouble in the early rounds against Simon but he came back to stop Simon with powerful punches to the head and body. Bärlund on the other hand just destroyed and KO'd Baer with body punches.

Bärlund was not the puncher that Buddy Baer was however but he had a good body attack which could have done damage to the much bigger man. It's also possible that Simon would have tired out Bärlund with his size and strength advantage. It's difficult to say without extensive film of both.

Here's a interesting fight. Primo Canera vs Barlund? That would be a interesting one

Alec900
09-15-2009, 07:08 PM
Is he a icon in Finland? And how do you think he would of faired against Louis, and did Conn just destroy him?

some would know about amateur tournament named after him but that's about it.
Finland really isn't boxing country

cotto16
09-16-2009, 10:22 PM
Probaly Finland's best ever fighter!

BigMacFoster
09-16-2009, 10:34 PM
You know,I haven't seen St.Lion around these parts in a little bit.Ever since he lost the respect and was accused of being an ALT by ThGreatA,He has disappeared.

Since he left us,Boxing_12 has shown up with with constant starting of threads and a similar style of posting.


Now I am not making accusations here.......but I do wonder


:Thinkingo


Likely the best boxer that Finland ever produced.

Probaly Finland's best ever fighter!


Perhaps the bestest contact fighter to ever come out of Finland

Boxing_12
09-16-2009, 10:50 PM
Actually am no ones alt, and if i want to say something i will say it on my only account.

You are the alt, foster. everyone knows u and slimey limey are the same peroson. I belive Great A and GJC have already sussed you out.

Am a young up and coming boxer who just wants to learn, i appriecet Great A uploading all these great fights for me to learn off, and i hope he continues to do it.

BigMacFoster
09-16-2009, 11:59 PM
I believe St.Lion used to link me directly with Slimey Limey as an ALT.

I don't believe TheGreatA ever did Suss me out as an ALT.In fact,He doesn't make he habit of accusing me of being an ALT either,Neither does GJC anymore.

I merely pointed out such a coinky-dink,St.Lion regularly started threads in this forum and since TheGreatA broke his heart,He has been MIA,Then you just happened to show up.


Not that I cares about basic misspellings either,But St.Lion also spelt words fairly similar to how you did.

Again,No accusations being thrown around here

Boxing_12
09-17-2009, 11:15 AM
I believe St.Lion used to link me directly with Slimey Limey as an ALT.

I don't believe TheGreatA ever did Suss me out as an ALT.In fact,He doesn't make he habit of accusing me of being an ALT either,Neither does GJC anymore.

I merely pointed out such a coinky-dink,St.Lion regularly started threads in this forum and since TheGreatA broke his heart,He has been MIA,Then you just happened to show up.


Not that I cares about basic misspellings either,But St.Lion also spelt words fairly similar to how you did.

Again,No accusations being thrown around here

You and slimey limey post the exact same, no one likes u around here you ****ing moron!

ebarlund
12-14-2010, 01:59 PM
I know this thread is a year old or more.I was doing a family project and saw this thread on google and signed on to this site to reply It seems you have a great working knowledge of my grandfather. He is still revered in his home country, especially since he has the statue in Helsinki and there are many items on him in their boxing hall of fame. I am the son of Richard Barlund, and my son is also named Gunnar, so his name lives on. I appreciate all the fantastic insight into my Grandfathers career. My grandmother told me about Damski and my father has made mention over a scotch of the Conn fight. It always made them incredibly angry. One thing is clear. He was a man of honor and would never throw a fight. They always thought Damski took advantage of him. He died of Parkinsons, and I am positive his long amateur and pro career was a contributing factor, but his hands were still like stone when he passed - an iron grip. Thank you for knowing something and remembering my grandfather.

TheGreatA
12-15-2010, 10:30 AM
I know this thread is a year old or more.I was doing a family project and saw this thread on google and signed on to this site to reply It seems you have a great working knowledge of my grandfather. He is still revered in his home country, especially since he has the statue in Helsinki and there are many items on him in their boxing hall of fame. I am the son of Richard Barlund, and my son is also named Gunnar, so his name lives on. I appreciate all the fantastic insight into my Grandfathers career. My grandmother told me about Damski and my father has made mention over a scotch of the Conn fight. It always made them incredibly angry. One thing is clear. He was a man of honor and would never throw a fight. They always thought Damski took advantage of him. He died of Parkinsons, and I am positive his long amateur and pro career was a contributing factor, but his hands were still like stone when he passed - an iron grip. Thank you for knowing something and remembering my grandfather.

Great to hear from you. :fing02:

Bärlund's legacy becomes increasingly relevant with the rise of another heavyweight contender from around here, Robert Helenius. It remains to be seen whether Helenius can accomplish what Bärlund did in his time, who was at best a top 3 ranked contender by the Ring Magazine in Joe Louis's time. He wasn't far from a title shot himself, after all boxers worse than him got a shot at the championship.

Regardless of what Helenius goes onto achieve, Bärlund's accomplishments will stand on their own, he was one of the pioneers of the sport in this country and will always be remembered by the boxing fans who are interested in the sport's rich history, such as myself.

McGoorty
09-01-2011, 11:13 AM
According to Bärlund's own words that is. I have not read any good accounts on the fight yet, most have been dealing with the aftermath (the trial with Bärlund and his manager).

Louis would have likely stopped Bärlund who would have been a sitting target to his punches. Now Bärlund was tough but throughout his career he had a problem with cuts. Louis would have cut him up and TKO'd him with sharp punching. The one thing that may have worked in Bärlund's favour was that he could have crowded Louis as was his style, which Louis admitted was a bit of a weakness of his.

I believe the only man to cleanly KO Bärlund was Tommy Gomez at the very end of Bärlund's long career. GJC's favorite Joe Baksi stopped Bärlund in the last round of their fight which is listed as a KO but from what I've read it was a technical stoppage.
There's that name again,... Joe Baksi (GJC where are you ??). This is an interesting thread, I was wondering about the Finns, I couldn't have named one Finn boxer which I always thought a bit strange seeing as though they are a lengendary race of tough men. Barlund looks extremely tough in that photo, I couldn't begin to imagine what it's like to be punched in the face in a Finnish winter, it used to hurt pretty bad enough when I was freezing my ass off in temperatures like 12 degrees, and that's above zero not minus .... LOL

McGoorty
09-01-2011, 11:38 AM
Actually am no ones alt, and if i want to say something i will say it on my only account.

You are the alt, foster. everyone knows u and slimey limey are the same peroson. I belive Great A and GJC have already sussed you out.

Am a young up and coming boxer who just wants to learn, i appriecet Great A uploading all these great fights for me to learn off, and i hope he continues to do it.
A young up and coming boxer !!.... I wish you all the best son, but keep your wits about you, the game has always had many seedy characters involved in the running of fighters and events. If you are surrounded by good people you will be ok. I hope you become the champ.... cheers .

Greatest1942
09-01-2011, 12:29 PM
Interesting. How do you think Barlund would of fared against other heavyweights of his era Baer, Schelmling, Walker, Abe Simon etc.

he did face Nova who stopped him on cuts.

"A deep gash under the eye that caused the claret to spurt from the wound, caused the official to stop the bout amidst angry protests from Barlund's chief of staff, Paml Damski."

-Nat Fleischer. The Ring

Besides Baksi, Tami Maurello stopped him in the third round too in 1945.

"Barlund was badly cut up after (two) rounds of slugging and his handlers decided that he was unable to come out for the third round." (From The Ring,1945)

My sources might be faulty here, but his last fight was in 1948.

Abe Simon actually decisioned Burland who gave up almost 60 pounds. I think Scmelling , Max baer beats him too.

Greatest1942
09-01-2011, 01:27 PM
he did face Nova who stopped him on cuts.

"A deep gash under the eye that caused the claret to spurt from the wound, caused the official to stop the bout amidst angry protests from Barlund's chief of staff, Paml Damski."

-Nat Fleischer. The Ring

Besides Baksi, Tami Maurello stopped him in the third round too in 1945.

"Barlund was badly cut up after (two) rounds of slugging and his handlers decided that he was unable to come out for the third round." (From The Ring,1945)

My sources might be faulty here, but his last fight was in 1948.

Abe Simon actually decisioned Burland who gave up almost 60 pounds. I think Scmelling , Max baer beats him too.

More on Nova- Barlund:-


There are some news paper reports
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=x4BZAAAAIBAJ&sjid=C0kNAAAAIBAJ&pg=4878,2549290&dq=barlund+gunnar&hl=en

Nova got up from a Knock down to score a TKO.