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Benncollinsaad
09-14-2009, 05:25 PM
This is one of my fav fighters. Hands up those who love Terry Norris! Hands up those who think he was the best junior middleweight ever! He was simply amazing. Thats the right word to describe Terry Norris. He had it all. He had speed, he had talent, he had that left hook, he had movement, he had class.

So what went wrong in the end? When did he begin to slip, can somebody tell me?

Dynamite Kid
09-14-2009, 07:39 PM
I dont care what people say about Norris to me he will always be great fighter to me, he was just awesome to watch and in Threadstealers own words " ive never seen a fighter take so much pride in beating people up" he loved a fight and is easily one of the most exciting fighters of the 90's, his chin made him even more exciting oddly enough.

My own opinion is i think accumulation of punishment he had taken caught up with Norris in the end, he was a Boxer yes, but he was also a gunslinger at heart and he took some lumps in the fights he won because he wanted to have a tear up so much, plus getting knocked out a couple of times must of taken something from him physically. I put his inconsistency or lack of focus which ever you wanna call it, down to not getting the fights he wanted and being under motivated. I mean lets be honest if Norris never hit Santana Illegally he would never have won any of those fights.


He should of retired after the Mullings loss because he was done after that KO, he was supposed to be on coarse Dela Hoya apparently but the Mullings fight derailed things, he went on to fight Rosenblatt, Boudouani and he just looked aweful

You know even if you dont like Norris you gotta admire the excitement level he brought to a fight, he would either KO his man, go down or get knocked out but he would always show heart, aggression, skill, power.

I know Norris did not have a good chin and its not that i cant accept it because im a Norris fan, but some people go way over the top when they speak of his chin, its that kind of overreaction that makes me disagree with people, not because im a nuthugger, but if you have seen as many Norris fights as i have you would know Norris took his lumps sucked it up and came back majority of the time, he had stood and traded many times and shown no signs of being hurt and the people that knocked him out or hurt him were! good punchers or huge punchers (Jackson)


Junior Jones, Amir Khan are the epitome of a glass chin, they could never step inside and bang it out. If Norris had a glass jaw, they are packin super glass or some ****.

Benncollinsaad
09-14-2009, 07:43 PM
I dont care what people say about Norris to me he will always be great fighter to me, he was just awesome to watch and in Threadstealers own words " ive never seen a fighter take so much pride in beating people up" he loved a fight and is easily one of the most exciting fighters of the 90's, his chin made him even more exciting oddly enough.

My own opinion is i think accumulation of punishment he had taken caught up with Norris in the end, he was a Boxer yes, but he was also a gunslinger at heart and he took some lumps in the fights he won because he wanted to have a tear up so much, plus getting knocked out a couple of times must of taken something from him physically. I put his inconsistency or lack of focus which ever you wanna call it, down to not getting the fights he wanted and being under motivated. I mean lets be honest if Norris never hit Santana Illegally he would never have won any of those fights.


He should of retired after the Mullings loss because he was done after that KO, he was supposed to be on coarse Dela Hoya apparently but the Mullings fight derailed things, he went on to fight Rosenblatt, Boudouani and he just looked aweful

You know even if you dont like Norris you gotta admire the excitement level he brought to a fight, he would either KO his man, go down or get knocked out but he would always show heart, aggression, skill, power.

I know Norris did not have a good chin and its not that i cant accept it because im a Norris fan, but some people go way over the top when they speak of his chin, its that kind of overreaction that makes me disagree with people, not because im a nuthugger, but if you have seen as many Norris fights as i have you would know Norris took his lumps sucked it up and came back majority of the time, he had stood and traded many times and shown no signs of being hurt and the people that knocked him out or hurt him were! good punchers or huge punchers (Jackson)

Amen!:) Well put.

GJC
09-14-2009, 08:47 PM
I dont care what people say about Norris to me he will always be great fighter to me, he was just awesome to watch and in Threadstealers own words " ive never seen a fighter take so much pride in beating people up" he loved a fight and is easily one of the most exciting fighters of the 90's, his chin made him even more exciting oddly enough.

My own opinion is i think accumulation of punishment he had taken caught up with Norris in the end, he was a Boxer yes, but he was also a gunslinger at heart and he took some lumps in the fights he won because he wanted to have a tear up so much, plus getting knocked out a couple of times must of taken something from him physically. I put his inconsistency or lack of focus which ever you wanna call it, down to not getting the fights he wanted and being under motivated. I mean lets be honest if Norris never hit Santana Illegally he would never have won any of those fights.


He should of retired after the Mullings loss because he was done after that KO, he was supposed to be on coarse Dela Hoya apparently but the Mullings fight derailed things, he went on to fight Rosenblatt, Boudouani and he just looked aweful

You know even if you dont like Norris you gotta admire the excitement level he brought to a fight, he would either KO his man, go down or get knocked out but he would always show heart, aggression, skill, power.

I know Norris did not have a good chin and its not that i cant accept it because im a Norris fan, but some people go way over the top when they speak of his chin, its that kind of overreaction that makes me disagree with people, not because im a nuthugger, but if you have seen as many Norris fights as i have you would know Norris took his lumps sucked it up and came back majority of the time, he had stood and traded many times and shown no signs of being hurt and the people that knocked him out or hurt him were! good punchers or huge punchers (Jackson)


Junior Jones, Amir Khan are the epitome of a glass chin, they could never step inside and bang it out. If Norris had a glass jaw, they are packin super glass or some ****.
He didn't have a totally glass jaw just unfortunately he needed a better chin than he had for the style of fighter he was would probably be fairer.
I always link him with Saad in my mind from the point of view you always get your money's worth and whilst you can't have 100% confidence he'll win you can have 100% confidence you'll see a good fight.

Dynamite Kid
09-14-2009, 08:57 PM
He didn't have a totally glass jaw just unfortunately he needed a better chin than he had for the style of fighter he was would probably be fairer.
I always link him with Saad in my mind from the point of view you always get your money's worth and whilst you can't have 100% confidence he'll win you can have 100% confidence you'll see a good fight.

Cant argue with that.

Dynamite Kid
09-14-2009, 09:12 PM
Amen!:) Well put.

Thought you might enjoy this.

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RightCross94
09-15-2009, 02:02 AM
Terrific offensive fighter, and arguably the best 154 lber ever. His chin was pretty poor, but as Dynamite pointed out, the people that knocked him out were all good punchers. He was pretty chinny, but it gets exaggerated.

If he had had absolutely no chin whatsoever, he wouldn't have made it past the level of a fringe contender or even journeyman level, you have to be able to take a decent punch to get to the top. So even the guys at the top who look like they can't really take shots compared to most of their contemporaries, they can still take a much better shot than the average fighter.

ugly2000
09-15-2009, 02:44 AM
When you get wobbled in almost all of your fights you dont have the greatest chin. Nevertheless he was one of the top fighters of his time. His offensive skills were a thing of beauty. The only thing in my book that stops him from being an all time great is that he never beat another great in their prime. Man, I would of loved to see him fight James Toney when he was a middleweight. That might of done it for Norris.

onetwopunch
09-15-2009, 02:57 AM
Amazing offensive fighter, his chin was weak but man his combos were beautyfull, He truly lived up to his nick name terrible. If he had a better chin man..he would of been an ATG no doubt. I remmember way back he was suppose to fight Tito, at 154, but he backed out I really wanted to see that fight, then Tito ended up fighting some other dude forgot his name but it was at 154. But again Norris was 1 nasty offensive SOB.

sonnyboyx2
09-15-2009, 05:59 AM
great fighter and very fast and skilled but i would not go as far as saying he was the best 154lb fighter ever..Thomas Hearns would be my No1 154lber

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 06:59 AM
Thought you might enjoy this.

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Thanks!;) That was cool. About his chin, I don't think it's fair to say he had a terrible chin since he was only stopped by Julian Jackson himself and one other guy, I know his last name is Brown, while he was in his prime. So that really isn't much of an indicator that his chin is bad.

Trenchant
09-15-2009, 02:01 PM
I think Terry was awesome. I have like 7 of his fights on vhs. But his chin was probably what was his downfall, getting wobbled and hurt and coming back in all those fights took the toll. The Simon Brown Jab knockdown was an indicator of his chin being vulnerable and the the Troy Waters Fight. the Julian Jackson Knockout doesnt really count because that punch would have knocked out Frazier. lol.

BigMacFoster
09-15-2009, 02:42 PM
Never was a great fighter,At no point in his career was he a great fighter,Right place at the right time in reality.

Leonard was shot and washed up
Donald Curry was done at this point
Meldrick Taylor was a fading welterweight
John Mugabi,Who cares if he was at his best or not really,The guy was always an overhyped puncher who never warranted the hype that he recieved.


He was knocked out by a faded welterweight in Simon Brown during his prime,Got DQ'd against a journeyman twice in a row during his prime.



the Julian Jackson Knockout doesnt really count because that punch would have knocked out Frazier. lol.


That was hardly one of Jackson's greatest knockouts,It was a short right hand that did the business and Norris never recovered from it,The last two shots never mattered at all.

And since when was Joe Frazier the greatest standard for what a great chin was?

There are other Joe Frazier fights out there other than him getting his face puffed up from an average puncher in Muhammad Ali.


I know his last name is Brown, while he was in his prime. So that really isn't much of an indicator that his chin is bad.

Simon Brown.A very good welterweight during the mid to late 1980's.Hardly at his best when he fought Terry Norris.

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 03:12 PM
Never was a great fighter,At no point in his career was he a great fighter,Right place at the right time in reality.

Leonard was shot and washed up
Donald Curry was done at this point
Meldrick Taylor was a fading welterweight
John Mugabi,Who cares if he was at his best or not really,The guy was always an overhyped puncher who never warranted the hype that he recieved.


He was knocked out by a faded welterweight in Simon Brown during his prime,Got DQ'd against a journeyman twice in a row during his prime.



That was hardly one of Jackson's greatest knockouts,It was a short right hand that did the business and Norris never recovered from it,The last two shots never mattered at all.

And since when was Joe Frazier the greatest standard for what a great chin was?

There are other Joe Frazier fights out there other than him getting his face puffed up from an average puncher in Muhammad Ali.




Simon Brown.A very good welterweight during the mid to late 1980's.Hardly at his best when he fought Terry Norris.



I just knew!! this ****sucker MIB was gonna come in here with usual BS. The mofo knows nothing about Norris outside of what he reads on the internet, same as all the other fighters he discuss, this is called history section MIB so why dont you polish up on fighters you know nothing about. You are a puppet that recites other peoples opinions.

I love it when fools like you act like a Boxing encyclopedia because you can scour the internet in order read up on a fighters so you can use someone else's opinion, why dont you actually watch all those fights before commenting on them instead of being a puppet. Ironic that you accused Slicksouthpaw of doing what you do, reverse psychology eh? what you really mean is i do that same but im gonna tell you how retarded i think it is because you cant prove i do it. In your own head you know you do it though, so what a tit you are eh.

You spend more time talking Boxing that actually watching it, how retarded is that ?

BigMacFoster
09-15-2009, 03:35 PM
I just knew!! this ****sucker MIB was gonna come in here with usual BS. The mofo knows nothing about Norris outside of what he reads on the internet, same as all the other fighters he discuss, this is called history section MIB so why dont you polish up on fighters you know nothing about. You are a puppet that recites other peoples opinions.

I love it when fools like you act like a Boxing encyclopedia because you can scour the internet in order read up on a fighters so you can use someone else's opinion, why dont you actually watch all those fights before commenting on them instead of being a puppet. Ironic that you accused Slicksouthpaw of doing what you do, reverse psychology eh? what you really mean is i do that same but im gonna tell you how retarded i think it is because you cant prove i do it. In your own head you know you do it though, so what a tit you are eh.

You spend more time talking Boxing that actually watching it, how retarded is that ?


Oh looky look,The dynamite tit took me off ignore long enough so he could directly reply to me.

I will ask you again,Who is MIB?

Was any claims I made of Norris lies? Or were they perhaps an opinion founded upon facts.

Are you trying to claim Ray Leonard,Meldrick Taylor and Donald Curry were in their primes when Norris fought them?

I have followed all three of these mens careers and watched as many bouts of their respective careers as possible and I can tell you that all three were far from their best.


Have you ever watched a Donald Curry fight besides that against Lloyd Honeyghan,Milton McCrory and Terry Norris?

Do you claim Simon Brown was at his best when he knocked out Terry Norris?

SOUTHPAW16BF was exposed for the fraud that he was with his copying and pasting,Nobody came to his defense because they could not support what he was accused of.He further dug himself into a deeper grave when he claimed he had helped write those articles.


You are a hypocrite in reality,You just exposed yourself for the fanboy that you really are,When I discredit fighters like Marco Antonio Barrera and Terry Norris - Two fighters whom you idolize,Then all integrity goes out the window and the fanboy emerges.

Do not reply towards me unless you can make a legitimate point,Instead of falling back into the Alt accusations

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 03:42 PM
Oh looky look,The dynamite tit took me off ignore long enough so he could directly reply to me.

I will ask you again,Who is MIB?

Was any claims I made of Norris lies? Or were they perhaps an opinion founded upon facts.

Are you trying to claim Ray Leonard,Meldrick Taylor and Donald Curry were in their primes when Norris fought them?

I have followed all three of these mens careers and watched as many bouts of their respective careers as possible and I can tell you that all three were far from their best.


Have you ever watched a Donald Curry fight besides that against Lloyd Honeyghan,Milton McCrory and Terry Norris?

Do you claim Simon Brown was at his best when he knocked out Terry Norris?

SOUTHPAW16BF was exposed for the fraud that he was with his copying and pasting,Nobody came to his defense because they could not support what he was accused of.He further dug himself into a deeper grave when he claimed he had helped write those articles.


You are a hypocrite in reality,You just exposed yourself for the fanboy that you really are,When I discredit fighters like Marco Antonio Barrera and Terry Norris - Two fighters whom you idolize,Then all integrity goes out the window and the fanboy emerges.

Do not reply towards me unless you can make a legitimate point,Instead of falling back into the Alt accusations



Your a internet article Boxing historian i know it and you know it.

Donald Curry ? ive seen both his fights with Starling, Honeyghan, Norris, Nunn, McCallum, McCrory. Im not like you MIB i dont scour the internet to find about a fighter, if i have not seen a particular fighter or seen a particular fight of a fighter thats being discussed i wont comment on it because otherwise its just silly pretending you have.


Stop you reading and start watching fights you puppet.

BigMacFoster
09-15-2009, 03:56 PM
Your a internet articlie Boxing historian i know it and you know it.

Donald Curry ? ive seen both his fights with Starling, Honeyghan, Norris, Nunn, McCallum, McCrory. Im not like you MIB i dont scour the internet to find about a fighter if i have not seen a particular fighter or seen a particular fight of a fighter thats being discussed i wont comment on it because otherwise its just sill pretending you have.


Stop you reading and start watching fights you puppet.


When did I claim to be a boxing historian Tit?

I don't copy and paste articles and give no source as if to show that I had written them just like your good buddy SOUTHPAW16BF does.

Where were you to defend your E-friend on that occasion tough guy?

And rather than duck a question how about you answer it,Who is MIB? Or will you duck that question like you have ducked this since you first made the accusation?

How can you really prove you've seen those fights to me? the results are there up on the internet for all to see and there are plenty of reviews written on such fighters and fights for you to give such details on a fight.

I can easily claim that you are lying and have never seen these fights but that would be a baseless accusation,One of which a Tit like yourself is fond of making.

Grow a pair of balls and answer my questions

Was Ray Leonard,Donald Curry and Meldrick Taylor at their best when they were beaten by Terry Norris?

Was Simon Brown at his best when he knocked out Terry Norris?

Instead of acting like a fanboy and avoiding my points at all costs,How about you man up and respond to them.


I have also asked you countless of times to tell me of this MIB,Who you seem to be accusing me of being an ALT of.

If you were so sure I was an ALT then why don't you provide some evidence.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 04:01 PM
Your a internet article Boxing historian i know it and you know it.

Donald Curry ? ive seen both his fights with Starling, Honeyghan, Norris, Nunn, McCallum, McCrory. Im not like you MIB i dont scour the internet to find about a fighter, if i have not seen a particular fighter or seen a particular fight of a fighter thats being discussed i wont comment on it because otherwise its just silly pretending you have.


Stop you reading and start watching fights you puppet.

:fing02: He and mrboxer should start a message board of their own. Called the Assumptions About Boxing.:rolleyes:

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 04:06 PM
When did I claim to be a boxing historian Tit?

I don't copy and paste articles and give no source as if to show that I had written them just like your good buddy SOUTHPAW16BF does.

Where were you to defend your E-friend on that occasion tough guy?

And rather than duck a question how about you answer it,Who is MIB? Or will you duck that question like you have ducked this since you first made the accusation?

How can you really prove you've seen those fights to me? the results are there up on the internet for all to see and there are plenty of reviews written on such fighters and fights for you to give such details on a fight.

I can easily claim that you are lying and have never seen these fights but that would be a baseless accusation,One of which a Tit like yourself is fond of making.

Grow a pair of balls and answer my questions

Was Ray Leonard,Donald Curry and Meldrick Taylor at their best when they were beaten by Terry Norris?

Was Simon Brown at his best when he knocked out Terry Norris?

Instead of acting like a fanboy and avoiding my points at all costs,How about you man up and respond to them.


I have also asked you countless of times to tell me of this MIB,Who you seem to be accusing me of being an ALT of.

If you were so sure I was an ALT then why don't you provide some evidence.


MIB you know and i know that your a article warrior. Difference being you dont paste word for word.

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 04:07 PM
:fing02: He and mrboxer should start a message board of their own. Called the Assumptions About Boxing.:rolleyes:

The guy is a complete loser.

I know his kind, he is as soft as **** in real life.

BigMacFoster
09-15-2009, 04:24 PM
Well there you have it,Time and time again I have asked the Dynamite Tit to step up and validate his claims and time and time again he has failed not only avoiding the original claim but using irrelevant responses.


He objected to a post I made concerning his hero Terry Norris just like he ojected to an original post I made on one Marco Antonio Barrera.


You can't debate,You can't make an argument and yet you claim my views are inferior - laughable just like yourself of course.


It really is hilarious to see you consistently duck questions and arguments like this despite the fact that you was the one who wished to seek out such arguments in the first place.

Are you seeking attention? Why else would you try to seek out and argument over the internet when you don't even know what you are arguing about.


I'm glad you admitted that your E-buddy was a fraud however.Choose your E-buddies more carefully next time.


:fing02: He and mrboxer should start a message board of their own. Called the Assumptions About Boxing.:rolleyes:


http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304588

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 05:13 PM
Well there you have it,Time and time again I have asked the Dynamite Tit to step up and validate his claims and time and time again he has failed not only avoiding the original claim but using irrelevant responses.


He objected to a post I made concerning his hero Terry Norris just like he ojected to an original post I made on one Marco Antonio Barrera.


You can't debate,You can't make an argument and yet you claim my views are inferior - laughable just like yourself of course.


It really is hilarious to see you consistently duck questions and arguments like this despite the fact that you was the one who wished to seek out such arguments in the first place.

Are you seeking attention? Why else would you try to seek out and argument over the internet when you don't even know what you are arguing about.


I'm glad you admitted that your E-buddy was a fraud however.Choose your E-buddies more carefully next time.





http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304588



MIB the Internet Fraud!!

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 05:33 PM
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304588

Yes, and? That was a legitimate question, much more so than your "Hagler's overated legacy". Hagler was a true fighter, he could box and slug, unlike the trickster Whitaker. But I don't wanna re-open that door!:rolleyes:

Wukillabeez78
09-15-2009, 05:58 PM
I've always heard that Terry Norris trained just like he fought; high energy and lots of gym wars in sparring while preparing for fights. You have to have intensity when you train but Terry was so intense even while sparring that I think this contributed to his decline. There is this famous quote by somebody who witnessed Terry prepare for fights "Best boxing I ever watched live was sparring between the norris brothers". Terry and his brother Orlin really engaged one another in some unwarranted wars that had to have taken its toll over time. He was an exciting fighter to watch (one of my favorites) but I think he would have greatly benefited from stepping into the ring with some bigger name fighters as well. De La Hoya, Toney, Jones Jr, Hopkins, Trinidad and others were all around the same weight during the time he was active and it would have been nice to have seen him fight some of them...

JAB5239
09-15-2009, 06:06 PM
I've always heard that Terry Norris trained just like he fought; high energy and lots of gym wars in sparring while preparing for fights. You have to have intensity when you train but Terry was so intense even while sparring that I think this contributed to his decline. There is this famous quote by somebody who witnessed Terry prepare for fights "Best boxing I ever watched live was sparring between the norris brothers". Terry and his brother Orlin really engaged one another in some unwarranted wars that had to have taken its toll over time. He was an exciting fighter to watch (one of my favorites) but I think he would have greatly benefited from stepping into the ring with some bigger name fighters as well. De La Hoya, Toney, Jones Jr, Hopkins, Trinidad and others were all around the same weight during the time he was active and it would have been nice to have seen him fight some of them...

I have a good friend who was living in San Diego during Terry's hayday and trained with him. He says both brothers were brutal on sparring partners and each other. I have no doubt those sparring sessions have caught up to Terry today.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 06:09 PM
I have a good friend who was living in San Diego during Terry's hayday and trained with him. He says both brothers were brutal on sparring partners and each other. I have no doubt those sparring sessions have caught up to Terry today.

Especially when Orlin was a natural cruiser/heavyw.;)

Stoppage
09-15-2009, 06:09 PM
Man, Terry Norris was a beast. Always wanted to fight. I love his win over John Mugabi. It's a classic one rounder.

JAB5239
09-15-2009, 06:14 PM
Man, Terry Norris was a beast. Always wanted to fight. I love his win over John Mugabi. It's a classic one rounder.

He had everything but a chin. If Norris had a better set of whiskers he may have gone down as an all time great.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 06:19 PM
He had everything but a chin. If Norris had a better set of whiskers he may have gone down as an all time great.

Imo he was.;) Don't care what anybody says. His speed, skill and power comes by once every 20-30 years.

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 06:23 PM
I've always heard that Terry Norris trained just like he fought; high energy and lots of gym wars in sparring while preparing for fights. You have to have intensity when you train but Terry was so intense even while sparring that I think this contributed to his decline. There is this famous quote by somebody who witnessed Terry prepare for fights "Best boxing I ever watched live was sparring between the norris brothers". Terry and his brother Orlin really engaged one another in some unwarranted wars that had to have taken its toll over time. He was an exciting fighter to watch (one of my favorites) but I think he would have greatly benefited from stepping into the ring with some bigger name fighters as well. De La Hoya, Toney, Jones Jr, Hopkins, Trinidad and others were all around the same weight during the time he was active and it would have been nice to have seen him fight some of them...


Interesting, thanks for the info.

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 06:31 PM
Imo he was.;) Don't care what anybody says. His speed, skill and power comes by once every 20-30 years.

an ATG ? i would not go that far.

JAB5239
09-15-2009, 06:32 PM
Imo he was.;) Don't care what anybody says. His speed, skill and power comes by once every 20-30 years.

Where would you put him on an all time list, and why?

BigMacFoster
09-15-2009, 06:33 PM
Yes, and? That was a legitimate question, much more so than your "Hagler's overated legacy". Hagler was a true fighter, he could box and slug, unlike the trickster Whitaker. But I don't wanna re-open that door!:rolleyes:


The difference being of course is that when I gave such fights as examples I had actually watched them,You would point out such fights and after being exposed pretty much admitted you had never seen them just read about them.


And i you didn't understand what I had just posted then let me simplfiy it to such a limited mental capacity such as your own.


I know of Haglers career,His resume,His fights.I have watched,studied and read of them.

Can the same be said of you concerning Pernell Whitaker?

I don't think it can,Actually I know it can't


MIB the Internet Fraud!!


LOL at you editing your own response down to just a few words,but I saw what you originally posted,So let me make this as short drawn as possible.

Who is MIB?

show everyone that you are not a coward and a joker and answer it,Not a difficult thing to do especially considering you apparently have proof

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 06:33 PM
Where would you put him on an all time list, and why?

I already put him at nr.4 in the ATG thread. Just behind Hearns. Why? For all the reasons I already mentioned plus because he was such an exciting fighter. All action and fury. He was like a hurricane. Had a complete set of skills and amazing speed and powr.

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 06:36 PM
The difference being of course is that when I gave such fights as examples I had actually watched them,You would point out such fights and after being exposed pretty much admitted you had never seen them just read about them.


And i you didn't understand what I had just posted then let me simplfiy it to such a limited mental capacity such as your own.


I know of Haglers career,His resume,His fights.I have watched,studied and read of them.

Can the same be said of you concerning Pernell Whitaker?

I don't think it can,Actually I know it can't





LOL at you editing your own response down to just a few words,but I saw what you originally posted,So let me make this as short drawn as possible.

Who is MIB?

show everyone that you are not a coward and a joker and answer it,Not a difficult thing to do especially considering you apparently have proof



MIB you are a sad cunt, get a life stop creating ALT accounts because you! are to cowardly to stand by your opinion.

Oh yeah and start watching these fights before commenting, moron.

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 06:37 PM
I already put him at nr.4 in the ATG thread. Just behind Hearns. Why? For all the reasons I already mentioned plus because he was such an exciting fighter. All action and fury. He was like a hurricane. Had a complete set of skills and amazing speed and powr.

4 ? :rofl:

TheGreatA
09-15-2009, 06:39 PM
I know it's insulting to any Terry Norris fan but this fight can't be overlooked:

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Of course he did turn it around in their rematch:

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Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 06:39 PM
4 ? :rofl:

Please don't laugh like a cunt. What nr would you put him at? I don't give a **** what any of you think, Norris was one of the greatest!:boxing:

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 06:41 PM
I know it's insulting to any Terry Norris fan but this fight can't be overlooked:

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Of course he did turn it around in their rematch:

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Not insulting its just a fact, Norris whilst as exciting as he was he did have a shaky chin and he was no way a number 4 ATG, if at all.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 06:42 PM
Not insulting its just a fact, Norris whilst as exciting as he was he did have a shaky chin and he was no way a number 4 ATG, if at all.

But Barrera is, right?:lame:

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 06:43 PM
Who died and made you the one who decides ATG status??

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 06:45 PM
Please don't laugh like a cunt. What nr would you put him at? I don't give a **** what any of you think, Norris was one of the greatest!:boxing:


Well TBH i dont even have an ATG list i think they are too objectionable and a bit pointless.

Based on who he beat and at the point he beat them i would not rank him that high, if he had beaten a Tito, DLH then maybe you could argue.

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 06:48 PM
But Barrera is, right?:lame:

Who died and made you the one who decides ATG status??

Of coarse.

Are you talking to me?

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 06:48 PM
Well TBH i dont even have an ATG list i think they are too objectionable and a bit pointless.

Based on who he beat and at the point he beat them i would not rank him that high, if he had beaten a Tito, DLH then maybe you could argue.

It doesn't matter wether SRL or Taylor were not in their prime. If you seriously couldn't see by his sheer presence in the ring that he couldn't beat both of them in their prime, then its your problem.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 06:49 PM
Of coarse.

Are you talking to me?

No, the pope.:D

Stoppage
09-15-2009, 06:50 PM
I already put him at nr.4 in the ATG thread. Just behind Hearns. Why? For all the reasons I already mentioned plus because he was such an exciting fighter. All action and fury. He was like a hurricane. Had a complete set of skills and amazing speed and powr.

Just because he's one of your favorite fighters doesn't mean he's an all-time great. If you do then you know nothing about boxing. I'm not even gonna debate this with you because it's stupid.

Yes, he was a great fighter. But to say he was number 4 on an all-time great list is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here. You have him ahead of Muhammad Ali. That's how biased your list is.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 06:51 PM
Just because he's one of your favorite fighters doesn't mean he's an all-time great. If you do then you know nothing about boxing. I'm not even gonna debate this with you because it's stupid.

Yes, he was a great fighter. But to say he was number 4 on an all-time great list is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here. You have him ahead of Muhammad Ali. That's how biased your list is.

HAHAHA! Muhammad ALI?!! The fact that everybody INSISTS that Ali should be among top 3 ATG is what I find RIDICULOUS! It seems to me my friend that YOU are the one who knows nothing about boxing. How you all love to say that, don't you? You fuks.

The Point is: I CAN PUT WHOMEVER I THINK IS WORTHY ON THAT LIST. YOU CAN JUST SHUT THE FUK UP. Know why? Coz its MY LIST!

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 06:53 PM
It doesn't matter wether SRL or Taylor were not in their prime. If you seriously couldn't see by his sheer presence in the ring that he couldn't beat both of them in their prime, then its your problem.



It kind does yeah, it would of made no difference whether Taylor was in his prime because Norris was too strong for him but Leonard is different scenario.

You seem like an okay guy until we start discussing fighters you like and your objectivity goes out the window.

You dont need to tell me how good Norris was, i had him in my avator longer than you dont forget, my username was Terrible...

Just because i can be objectional and dont think he is ATG 4 dont make out i cant appreciate how good he is.



Majority of fans wont say he is ATG 4, not because they dont like him.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 06:54 PM
It kind does yeah, it would of made no difference whether Taylor was in his prime because Norris was too strong for him but Leonard is different scenario.

You seem like an okay guy until we start discussing fighters you like and your objectivity goes out the window.

You dont need to tell me how good Norris was, i had him in my avator longer than you dont forget, my username was Terrible...

Just because i can be objectional and dont think he is ATG 4 dont make out i cant appreciate how good he is.



Majority of fans wont say he is ATG 4, not because they dont like.

You sure of that? If they are his fans and are not rating him that high or even among top 10, then fuk them! They are not appreciating him enough. Cunts.

Now pardon me. I feel agressive and shouldn't be online anymore. I think I may even be bipolar.

Stoppage
09-15-2009, 07:00 PM
You sure of that? If they are his fans and are not rating him that high or even among top 10, then fuk them! They are not appreciating him enough. Cunts.

Now pardon me. I feel agressive and shouldn't be online anymore. I think I may even be bipolar.

I think Ch@mpBox@PR has met his match for the most biased person on the forum. It's too bad, really. This was a good thread up until you ruined it.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 07:01 PM
I think Ch@mpBox@PR has met his match for the most biased person on the forum. It's too bad, really. This was a good thread up until you ruined it.

Gee, I'm sorry. Maybe you oughta find a hiphop-based boxing forum.;) Its my thread anyway. I can ruin it if I want. Not that I want that.

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 07:03 PM
I hope this thread does not turn into a hate thread for Norris.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 07:07 PM
I hope this thread does not turn into a hate thread for Norris.

It might if you and stoppage continue questioning his ATG status!

Stoppage
09-15-2009, 07:08 PM
I hope this thread does not turn into a hate thread for Norris.

Same. I'll bring it back on topic.

Terry Norris altogether made 16 successful title defenses of his WBC light middleweight title. That's very impressive.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 07:09 PM
I remember either one of you or someone else said that Terry was perhaps the greatest junior middleweight ever. Shouldn't that be enough to cement his ATG status? And a top 10 ATG as well!?

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 07:11 PM
It might if you and stoppage continue questioning his ATG status!

Its because of you if it does. I dont have a problem with it because im a Norris fan, even though i dont agree with it, but i know some people will take issue with it.

You will start out trying to get people to give Norris props and end up turning people against him.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 07:12 PM
Its because of you if it does. I dont have a problem with it because im a Norris fan, even though i dont agree with it, but i know some people will take issue with it.

You will start out trying to get people to give Norris props and end up turning people against him.

Why is it so hard for you to admit he's an ATG, if you are a big fan??!!:thinking: I just don't get it.

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 07:14 PM
Same. I'll bring it back on topic.

Terry Norris altogether made 16 successful title defenses of his WBC light middleweight title. That's very impressive.

How would you see his chance against Whitaker, Tito, DLH, Chavez?

He was not that big of a 154 pounder and had spoken about moving down to 147 to get a big fight with Chavez or Whitaker.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 07:15 PM
How would you see his chance against Whitaker, Tito, DLH, Chavez?

He was not that big of a 154 pounder and had spoken about moving down to 147 to get a big fight with Chavez or Whitaker.

Not that big? He was 5'9 and quite muscular, as you can see from this pic. I don't think he was a more natural ww. But he would clean up down there for sure.

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 07:16 PM
Why is it so hard for you to admit he's an ATG, if you are a big fan??!!:thinking: I just don't get it.


I dont really want to get into whether he is an ATG or not TBH because its all about doing what we are doing now, bickering.

Like i said if you wanna make a case he is an ATG, what ever, but to make him number 4 ........

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 07:17 PM
I dont really want to get into whether he is an ATG or not TBH because its all about doing what we are doing now, bickering.

Like i said if you wanna make a case he is an ATG, what ever, but to make him number 4 ........

As I said, MY list, MY pick. Now lets return. I had him at 5 first if its of any comfort to you.:lol1:

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 07:18 PM
Not that big? He was 5'9 and quite muscular, as you can see from this pic. I don't think he was a more natural ww. But he would clean up down there for sure.


He said himself he could make 147 easy enough.

Quartey, Hearns are what i call a big WW's

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 07:19 PM
He said himself he could make 147 easy enough.

Quartey, Hearns are what i call a big WW's

Quartey was 5'7 or 5'8. But he was strong. Hearns the biggest WW before PWill.

TheGreatA
09-15-2009, 07:22 PM
Quartey was 5'7 or 5'8. But he was strong. Hearns the biggest WW before PWill.

All of the late 1980's WW's were pretty big. Breland was 6'3 but he was naturally skinny and couldn't put on any pounds. Milton McCrory was huge at 6'2 and drained himself to make weight. 6'2 Maurice Blocker who later fought Norris was a big WW as well.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 07:23 PM
All of the late 1980's WW's were pretty big. Breland was 6'3 but he was naturally skinny and couldn't put on any pounds. Milton McCrory was huge at 6'2 and drained himself to make weight. 6'2 Maurice Blocker who later fought Norris was a big WW as well.

And Hugo Pineda is 6'1. But he's a 90's fighter. Later moved up as high as cw. 6'4 Guillermo Jones fought as ww too in the start.

TheGreatA
09-15-2009, 07:24 PM
I think Norris fought at 149 against Meldrick Taylor. He could have surely made the welterweight limit.

Stoppage
09-15-2009, 07:24 PM
How would you see his chance against Whitaker, Tito, DLH, Chavez?

He was not that big of a 154 pounder and had spoken about moving down to 147 to get a big fight with Chavez or Whitaker.

I know he's gonna respond with hate to this, but whatever.

I think Whitaker would have beaten him but would have definitely had a lot of problems.

I'm not too sure about the Tito and DLH match-ups because.. yeah I just can't pick a sure winner.

As for Chavez, I think Norris would have beaten him. Chavez would be too small for Norris, in my opinion. Would be a heck of a battle, though. I don't think it would end in a knockout though. Probably Norris via decision.

JAB5239
09-15-2009, 07:24 PM
Please don't laugh like a cunt. What nr would you put him at? I don't give a **** what any of you think, Norris was one of the greatest!:boxing:

4 is far fetched. He was an excellent fighter, but his resume lack compared to true greats and his crushing defeats cannot be over looked. He isn't top 50 in my opinion but MAY crack the top 75. Thats no slight on Norris, there have just been a ton of great fighters through out history with better credentials.

Dynamite Kid
09-15-2009, 07:24 PM
Im done with your threads from now on Herbet. You are just too biased to have a good convo with.

Fans like you should stick to NSB with the rest of the ball hangers who blindly idolize fighters.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 07:26 PM
4 is far fetched. He was an excellent fighter, but his resume lack compared to true greats and his crushing defeats cannot be over looked. He isn't top 50 in my opinion but MAY crack the top 75. Thats no slight on Norris, there have just been a ton of great fighters through out history with better credentials.

Credentials? Is he to blame that he didn't exactly fight at the most exciting time? That's unfair.

TheGreatA
09-15-2009, 07:26 PM
And Hugo Pineda is 6'1. But he's a 90's fighter, more of.

Pineda fought at 140 lbs as well. Towered over Kostya Tszyu.

Possibly the biggest WW of all time was the current CW champion 6'4 Guillermo Jones who held minor titles at WW and challenged for the 154 lb WBA world title.

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 07:27 PM
Im done with your threads from now on Herbet. You are just too biased to have a good convo with.

Fans like you should stick to NSB with the rest of the ball hangers who blindly idolize fighters.

Who you calling Herbet?? Thats not my name, I can assure you. But guys like you just don't wanna listen.:nonono: So long English!

Benncollinsaad
09-15-2009, 07:28 PM
Pineda fought at 140 lbs as well. Towered over Kostya Tszyu.

Possibly the biggest WW of all time was the current CW champion 6'4 Guillermo Jones who held minor titles at WW and challenged for the 154 lb WBA world title.

Yep. I still am amazed at how that is possible...:eek:

JAB5239
09-15-2009, 07:34 PM
Credentials? Is he to blame that he didn't exactly fight at the most exciting time? That's unfair.

Unfair? How can you objectively rank him higher than fighters who fought and beat better competition? It seems you rank Norris on what may have been, not what actually was.

Norris isn't to blame for the time he fought in, but he shouldn't be blindly awarded either.

BigMacFoster
09-15-2009, 10:48 PM
It's ironic,Benncollinsaad has never seen one fight of the three fighters which make up his username.

Perhaps he's seen one more fight than the Dynamite Tit has



MIB you are a sad cunt, get a life stop creating ALT accounts because you! are to cowardly to stand by your opinion.

Oh yeah and start watching these fights before commenting, moron.



:bottle:

There ya go mate,Suck on that top.You're a spoilt child who ducks questions just like the chinless wonder Terry Norris ducked primed opponents

i'll give you another chance to answer the question.

Was Leonard,Taylor and Curry in their primes?

Who is MIB and how is he an alt of mine?

Grow a pair of balls and answer the question.

Dynamite Kid
09-16-2009, 06:16 AM
It's ironic,Benncollinsaad has never seen one fight of the three fighters which make up his username.

Perhaps he's seen one more fight than the Dynamite Tit has







:bottle:

There ya go mate,Suck on that top.You're a spoilt child who ducks questions just like the chinless wonder Terry Norris ducked primed opponents

i'll give you another chance to answer the question.

Was Leonard,Taylor and Curry in their primes?

Who is MIB and how is he an alt of mine?

Grow a pair of balls and answer the question.


Grow a pair of balls? MIB your some middle class toff who wouldn't even have the balls to go to a Boxing gym because you couldn't even handle the intensity of a training session, let along a competitive fight. You are one of those guys i see used to see come and go at the gym on a regular basis, you come a couple of time get licked in sparring and never show again, thats because people like you have no character, thats why you come on here to troll like a warrior because you cant do it in real life because you dont have the balls.

You talk about fights you have never seen because you have internet access where you can use other peoples opinions to validate that you know these fighters when you dont. If we were in a room together and we discussed Boxing where you had no internet access we would quickly establish that you know **** all about Boxing, its okay pretending to me and everyone else on here that, thats not the case, but deep down you know its basically true and that must make you feel like a right plonka, especially when you have the audacity to chastise others for doing the same. We know you thinks its a pretty pathetic thing to do because of the way you have reacted towards others, so how much of a cunt must you think you yourself are for doing the same and pretending otherwise ?

Middle class toffy nose cunt you are MIB.

Benncollinsaad
09-16-2009, 07:38 AM
Unfair? How can you objectively rank him higher than fighters who fought and beat better competition? It seems you rank Norris on what may have been, not what actually was.

Norris isn't to blame for the time he fought in, but he shouldn't be blindly awarded either.

Why do people rank McClellan higher than Norris?? I know many do. Because he beat Julian Jackson?? That Jackson was what, 4 years older than the one Norris fought? And the John Mugabi McClellan beat was nowhere near the one Terry beat either! Believe me, tho its only a year difference it still makes a difference.

TheGreatA
09-16-2009, 08:09 AM
Why do people rank McClellan higher than Norris?? I know many do. Because he beat Julian Jackson?? That Jackson was what, 4 years older than the one Norris fought? And the John Mugabi McClellan beat was nowhere near the one Terry beat either! Believe me, tho its only a year difference it still makes a difference.

Agreed that there's no way that McClellan could be rated above Norris in the all-time rankings. Despite all his potential McClellan didn't achieve a whole lot. Norris did.

Benncollinsaad
09-16-2009, 09:01 AM
Agreed that there's no way that McClellan could be rated above Norris in the all-time rankings. Despite all his potential McClellan didn't achieve a whole lot. Norris did.

And yet you think McClellan would ko Norris!:nonono: Maybe so, but what makes you think it couldn't happen the other way around? Norris was quicker than McClellan. Could hit almost as hard as he.

TheGreatA
09-16-2009, 09:21 AM
And yet you think McClellan would ko Norris!:nonono: Maybe so, but what makes you think it couldn't happen the other way around? Norris was quicker than McClellan. Could hit almost as hard as he.

McClellan was a huge middleweight, more like a light heavyweight or even a cruiserweight.

I've seen a picture of him standing next to Michael Moorer and Mike Tyson, and he looks no smaller than either of them, only thinner perhaps.

McClellan would tower over the naturally 150 pound Norris. Gerald was big enough to withstand Jackson's best punches so I doubt Norris would be able to dent him. McClellan on the other hand would hurt Norris with every punch he landed and bully him around the ring.

It wouldn't last very long.

Benncollinsaad
09-16-2009, 09:25 AM
McClellan was a huge middleweight, more like a light heavyweight or even a cruiserweight.

I've seen a picture of him standing next to Michael Moorer and Mike Tyson, and he looks no smaller than either of them, only thinner perhaps.

McClellan would tower over the naturally 150 pound Norris. Gerald was big enough to withstand Jackson's best punches so I doubt Norris would be able to dent him. McClellan on the other hand would hurt Norris with every punch he landed and bully him around the ring.

It wouldn't last very long.

Norris would be too fast for him I think. And if he landed the right punch first, McClellan would be hurt and out soon. It could go either way.

TheGreatA
09-16-2009, 09:30 AM
Norris would be too fast for him I think. And if he landed the right punch first, McClellan would be hurt and out soon. It could go either way.

I don't think he could hurt McClellan one bit. His best chance would be to use his speed to outpoint McClellan which I doubt he could do.

Benncollinsaad
09-16-2009, 09:43 AM
I don't think he could hurt McClellan one bit. His best chance would be to use his speed to outpoint McClellan which I doubt he could do.

Ok. We got to the bottom of that. Now lets return to reality. What other great 154 pounders could he beat?

TheGreatA
09-16-2009, 10:00 AM
Ok. We got to the bottom of that. Now lets return to reality. What other great 154 pounders could he beat?

I think Winky Wright, Nino Benvenuti and Ayub Kalule may have been good fights for him.

BigMacFoster
09-16-2009, 05:40 PM
Grow a pair of balls? MIB your some middle class toff who wouldn't even have the balls to go to a Boxing gym because you couldn't even handle the intensity of a training session, let along a competitive fight. You are one of those guys i see used to see come and go at the gym on a regular basis, you come a couple of time get licked in sparring and never show again, thats because people like you have no character, thats why you come on here to troll like a warrior because you cant do it in real life because you dont have the balls.

You talk about fights you have never seen because you have internet access where you can use other peoples opinions to validate that you know these fighters when you dont. If we were in a room together and we discussed Boxing where you had no internet access we would quickly establish that you know **** all about Boxing, its okay pretending to me and everyone else on here that, thats not the case, but deep down you know its basically true and that must make you feel like a right plonka, especially when you have the audacity to chastise others for doing the same. We know you thinks its a pretty pathetic thing to do because of the way you have reacted towards others, so how much of a cunt must you think you yourself are for doing the same and pretending otherwise ?

Middle class toffy nose cunt you are MIB.


Once again the Dynamite tit fails to answer a basic question.

So now we can indeed establish that he

A) Has never seen Curry,Leonard and Taylor in their prime
B) Is a paranoid drug-E user who is obsessed with some git called MIB
C) Is a an insecure self hating middle class ,mockney gooner who thinks by using second class citizen english and watching soccer it makes him working class.


Really son,You are owning yourself here,You're a 27 year old mummy's boy who is afraid of somebody over the internet.

Do I install fear inside of you Tit?

Do you fear me? An unknown internet poster over the internet? Are you really that sad and lonely to create a streak of paranoia inside of you?

Time to open up the curtains and let some sunlight inside your bedroom mate.


Grow a pair of balls and answer a question and don't accuse me of long drawn out posts when you just did the very same thing,Except my post was actually relevant where's we just heard your fantasisies of being a working class,tough guy who spends the entire day in the gym(and not making almost 20,000 posts in just two and a half years,Lol)


My original post was boxing related,None of your responses have been.

Take the plumbs out of your mouth and work it out gooner!