View Full Version : Vera vs Couture


LiamNO1
09-13-2009, 01:53 PM
Ufc 105 at light heavyweight its offical. Bj penn was going to headline the bill but he is know fighting at 107 because rampage pulled out of rashad fight.

We want Floyd
09-13-2009, 02:03 PM
Ufc 105 at light heavyweight its offical. Bj penn was going to headline the bill but he is know fighting at 107 because rampage pulled out of rashad fight.This would be a great opportunity for Vera if he can pull it off to put himself back on the map.

This is a winnable fight for "The Truth", he has to keep it standing for as long as he can. And I also see Vera being competitive with Couture on the ground but his striking is definitely better than Randy's.

Junito-Rulez
09-13-2009, 04:49 PM
Randy by UD. He's a bigger man and a great wrestler. Nogueira was a much taller man than Vera and has better hands. Vera needs to stay on the outside, kickbox and avoid the clinch. Vera's thai clinch only work against bums. Couture is the best man he's ever faced.

Left2theliver
09-13-2009, 05:13 PM
Wow...this'll b a real tough one for Vera...like stated before, unless he keeps on the outside and kick boxes he'll be alright. But if he get's into any close ranged combat, it'll be real tough, expecially if Couture gets that clinch.

Dice
09-13-2009, 05:53 PM
Unless Vera can channel the old form, he's gonna get murdered, if Minotauro cant submit Randy, niether can Vera, Randy's not gonna let Vera dance around, he's a top level hall of fame wrestler so Vera WILL BE GETTING TAKEN DOWN.

Like I said Vera can win if he finds the old magic but Randy is still randy and he's fighting at a good weight

Nodogoshi
09-13-2009, 06:22 PM
I think Randy's going to rough him up and possibly stop him late.

MJ406
09-13-2009, 06:53 PM
already mentioned but Vera has to keep it standing if he wants to win

**and Randy was dropped 2x his last fight by Nog, who isn't the heaviest handed of fighters .. how can he handle the kicks of Vera?

should be a good one.

jakkups
09-13-2009, 07:11 PM
I bet against Randy more often than not and it's no different this time round. I can see Vera getting the W. Randy has slowed down alot and was getting a job done on him by Nog in the standup exchanges. Randy will still have the edge in physical strength and grappling so it would be in his best interest to close the distance, work the clinch and use his wrestling to maximum effect. Problem I see arising for Randy is the overall movement and fluidity on the feet. The "old man" is starting to show alot more and in his last fight the combinations he usually throws weren't effective because he's losing speed, and quite possibly his reactions are getting worse. He's not going to outstrike Vera IMO due to the speed being vastly different both with strikes and on the feet, which could lead to Randy either committing to something or coming in and getting hit with a few stiff shots.

MJ406
09-13-2009, 07:48 PM
and if it comes down to if Randy can take Vera's strikes .. well I don't like his chances of victory.

IMO Couture was very fortunate to survive the 3 rounds with Nog, as those knockdowns were pretty rough .. more so the second one.

Naps
09-13-2009, 09:49 PM
I'll put points on Vera if anyone wants a bet?

Still Pimpin
09-13-2009, 11:28 PM
Vera's a flake. I'll take Randy because he knows how to step to the plate. Vera has let me down one to many times and Randy surprises more often than not. Even in the Nog fight I was trippin on how much of a beat down Randy could take and still give his all.

StillUnknown
09-14-2009, 12:34 AM
this matchup came from nowhere. UFC must've been desparate for main event. i cant get excited for this fight.

vera better keep it standing if he wants to win.

i think Randy's chin is done at this stage in his career, if vera can land a good shot i think he can finish Randy. more likely to happen is randy taking him down repeatedly and grinding out a victory

tocayito1
09-14-2009, 01:18 AM
randy is done as much as i love him...hes no longer capable of fighting at the level he use to fight in...vera wins by tko....he has better standup than big nog and faster hands plus his leg kicks will destroy randys legs only chance randy has is to take him down.....he looked slow and sloppy against big nog who btw has overrated boxing

tocayito1
09-14-2009, 01:22 AM
and if it comes down to if Randy can take Vera's strikes .. well I don't like his chances of victory.

IMO Couture was very fortunate to survive the 3 rounds with Nog, as those knockdowns were pretty rough .. more so the second one.

i dont remember which one it was but when nog dropped randy...randy was ko'd he was out and recovered very fast his whole body went limp and his neck stiffened up...when he hit the mat i think it woke him up but he was def out when he got caught with that left hook

fallenloki
09-14-2009, 02:57 AM
Let's see if Brandon can step up to the plate and make something happen... My gut tells me Randy, but if Brandon turns up the offense we could see him go out with a shin shot to the dome.

Punch Me
09-14-2009, 03:02 AM
I like this matchup. I have some question marks about these two fighters and I want them answered in the ring :-D

Safest bet would be Randy by UD, because I don't think Vera is aggressive enough.

We want Floyd
09-14-2009, 03:35 AM
I like this matchup. I have some question marks about these two fighters and I want them answered in the ring :-D

Safest bet would be Randy by UD, because I don't think Vera is aggressive enough.That's the issue with Vera in all his big fights, Silva, Werdum and Jardine, he lacks the tenacity, he just waits and waits for the right time, but sometimes you've gotta take the fight to your opponent.


I hope Vera has corrected this, 'cause sometimes it takes more than just kicks to an opponent's thighs.

Still Pimpin
09-14-2009, 03:45 AM
I like this matchup. I have some question marks about these two fighters and I want them answered in the ring :-D

Safest bet would be Randy by UD, because I don't think Vera is aggressive enough.



true. Aggression and distance.

I think it's fair to say him being put on his back is a definite. However, what he does when they stand back up will answer all the questions we need to know.

Dice
09-14-2009, 11:11 AM
I'll put points on Vera if anyone wants a bet?

I got Couture how much you wanna bet?

I cant believe Randy is the underdog in this, aside from a punchers chance Vera is gonna get ran through.

Randy got dropped by Nog because A, Nog's boxing is underrated and B) Randy's biggest weapon, his wrestling, couldnt be used because no one wants to go to the ground with minotauro, you saw it yourselves, the minute it hit the ground for 10 seconds Nog was switching up submissions, even when he was on the bottom he swept Randy.

Randy had no choice but to keep it standing against Nog, Brandon Vera is not Minotauro. his ground game is no where near Nog's although it is good and his strength is Leg Kicks which is gonna kill him because the minute one leg goes up Randy is gonna shoot in at 100 mph and slam him. Even if Vera gets the Muay Thai clinch he loves, Randy's gonna latch on that Greco Roman clinch and pound him out.

jakkups
09-14-2009, 01:14 PM
I wouldn't think Randy's the underdog as far as the bookies are concerned. If he is I'd be surprised. I just think that he has slowed down alot and the last fight proved it IMO.

Randy had a good chin, but he's getting older than he already is and the resistance and reactions are slowing down. Nog caught him and dropped him with punches that wouldn't normally do anything to Randy. And Nog is not a puncher. In fact Nog's boxing isn't underrated to me at least. He can throw basic punches but he is very easy to hit and the thing which has got him through standup exchanges during his career isn't his skills with his hands, it's the iron chin. That said he was getting the better of Randy throughout both in the center and up-close in the clinch. Randy comes in too often with these lunging left hooks which Vera will see coming and could make him pay IMO.

Vera has the speed of movement and with his hands/legs to catch Randy coming in which is what Randy needs to do in order to win this bout. I don't see him outstriking Vera and Randy's chin has had it's button pressed one too many times in the last two bouts against guys who aren't anywhere near the counter striker striker Vera is, have the variety in combinations that he has, nor do they have the speed that he has. If Vera keep's moving and turning Randy, it'll force Randy to come in with reckless abandon which could be either a good thing so long as he can take the shots and still get the clinch or a bad thing if he can't take the shots.

Dice
09-14-2009, 01:51 PM
So lets put these points up then if you guys are so confident, yall kno i got Randy, lets up em up

MJ406
09-14-2009, 06:26 PM
i dont remember which one it was but when nog dropped randy...randy was ko'd he was out and recovered very fast his whole body went limp and his neck stiffened up...when he hit the mat i think it woke him up but he was def out when he got caught with that left hook

I think it was the second time Nog dropped him ... where Randy's legs looked to come out from under him

and while Nog isn't known for being a slugger, it was a very well aimed punch that hit him right on the button.

Randy sure did look momentarily out .. or at least stunned when he hit the floor.

agree with jakkups, age seems to be catching up with Couture, he's not as quick, and his punch resistance has gotten worse over time.

he's 45 though ... completely understandable.

phallus
09-14-2009, 09:53 PM
vera hasn't looked too impressive lately, i think randy can use his wrestling and keep taking vera down and mauling him on the ground. randy is old but i think he has just enough left to beat vera by lay and pray, matt lindland style.

it's a good thing dana signed randy to another 6 fight contract, he'll have to retire when the 6 fights are up, otherwise randy would go sign with strikeforce and get knocked out cold by fedor

tocayito1
09-14-2009, 10:41 PM
I think it was the second time Nog dropped him ... where Randy's legs looked to come out from under him

and while Nog isn't known for being a slugger, it was a very well aimed punch that hit him right on the button.

Randy sure did look momentarily out .. or at least stunned when he hit the floor.

agree with jakkups, age seems to be catching up with Couture, he's not as quick, and his punch resistance has gotten worse over time.

he's 45 though ... completely understandable.

yea i know and what sucks even more is that he signed an extension for 6 more fights in 26 months i hate to see him keep going like this when he cant fight at the highest level any more hes going to be fighting at 48 yrs old and he can get seriously hurt

MJ406
09-15-2009, 01:12 AM
I'd be very surprised to see Randy finish that entire 6 fight contract up.

it is a shame, that while his last fight he put on a good performance, it might be his last fighting at a high level (maybe he gets by Vera, who is trying to rebuild his own career at 205)

and who knows how good Couture's chin is, as it almost cost him last fight out.

**still looking forward to seeing Randy vs Vera, as it'll be shown on s-p-i-k-e

thurrmac
09-15-2009, 03:17 AM
i want vera to win this one... bcoz randy is an old man...

pugilistfan
09-15-2009, 02:11 PM
This better not be a PPV.

PowerpuG
09-15-2009, 02:34 PM
zuffa should absorb wec so there's more title fights.. that way we wont have to see headlines like vera/couture and rich franklin catchweight fights.. btw randy wins this by UD...

MOREBASS
09-16-2009, 11:28 AM
zuffa should absorb wec so there's more title fights.. that way we wont have to see headlines like vera/couture and rich franklin catchweight fights.. btw randy wins this by UD...


You mean the UFC ? Zuffa already owns the WEC, but the only problem I have with that is that we would no longer get the WEC fights for free, which I like.

MJ406
09-16-2009, 04:25 PM
zuffa should absorb wec so there's more title fights.. that way we wont have to see headlines like vera/couture and rich Franklin catchweight fights.. btw randy wins this by UD...

I don't think either of the fights are too too bad for a main event.

plus Couture/Vera is on free TV in the united states.