Is this is a joke? I realize the depth of the super middleweight division How can a fight like this even be made?

For those who don't know...Joe Calzahge, 38-0 30 KOs, the reigning WBO supper middleweight champion is slated to face Mario Veit 45-1 23 KOs in a rematch.

In their first fight, Calzahge dropped Veit twice, in route to a first round tko.

This fight is a joke and so for that matter is Calzaghe.

What happened to Magee?

This fight is a joke and so for that matter is Calzaghe.

Not only do I despise his out of the ring antics, I cringe at him as a fighter. He is the most fraudulent joke in boxing at this moment.

I would enjoy watching Lacy Brutalize him. For whatever that is worth.
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I would enjoy Bernard coming up to beat Joe and Lacy.

Not only do I despise his out of the ring antics, I cringe at him as a fighter. He is the most fraudulent joke in boxing at this moment.

What 'out' of the ring antics would those be then?

How could Hopkins vs. Allen happen three times, the world would never know how these matchs are made :D

What happened to Magee?

He is still fighting Magee, the fight with Veit is taking place on may 7th.

I think Joe will fight Lacy at the end of this year, both Lacy and Calzaghe have to defend there belts , Lacy has already said he is defending his title, so i can see Calzaghe defending his belt and then setting up a unification fight between the two later in the year.

As for you people thinking Lacy would ko Calzaghe, you must be joking. Calzaghe will take Lacy apart i can see him winning inside 5, He's been in with a lot better opponents than Lacy, both sheik and williams hurt Lacy and the sheik fight was very close, Calzaghe gave sheik a beeting for 4 rounds then it got stopped in the 5th.

He is still fighting Magee, the fight with Veit is taking place on may 7th.

I think Joe will fight Lacy at the end of this year, both Lacy and Calzaghe have to defend there belts , Lacy has already said he is defending his title, so i can see Calzaghe defending his belt and then setting up a unification fight between the two later in the year.

As for you people thinking Lacy would ko Calzaghe, you must be joking. Calzaghe will take Lacy apart i can see him winning inside 5, He's been in with a lot better opponents than Lacy, both sheik and williams hurt Lacy and the sheik fight was very close, Calzaghe gave sheik a beeting for 4 rounds then it got stopped in the 5th.

I hope they do fight this year before JC moves up just to silence the critics even though I think there's tougher fights out there for him. Easy fight for Calzaghe, Lacy is not even close to being able to beat him. In fact I'd say Lacy is tailor-made for him.

Off topic but is it true that Magee beat Lacy in the amateurs?

I hope Calzaghie fights either Lacy or moves up to challenge Johnson, Tarver, Woods or even a rematch with Reid (however we all know thats not going to happen)this year.
He really needs to make a move, after his series of one sided title defences people are beggining to consider him a joke.

I hope Calzaghie fights either Lacy or moves up to challenge Johnson, Tarver, Woods or even a rematch with Reid (however we all know thats not going to happen)this year.
He really needs to make a move, after his series of one sided title defences people are beggining to consider him a joke.

Yeah, I had Reid in my mind as being a decent match given the closeness of their 1st fight and the fact that he's still performing quite well.

I don't know how true this is but i heard Reid might be fighting Kessler.

Lacy isn't close to Calzaghe's league. I don't think for a second Calzaghe will go to Germany on May 7. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose. Sven Ottke vs. Robin Reid is a prime example. Calzaghe could KO Veit again in the 1st and would probably lose the title on a DQ. Calzaghe needs to step up to light heavy badly. The money matches are there and Tarver, Johnson and Woods (possibly Jones Jnr too) need fights with him (since they all fought each other already).

I actually think Calzaghe has a chance of beating Lacy, Lacy is highly exploitable especially with that wide looping right hook.


It's well known that I have always thought low of Lacy.
And you know what I think of Calzaghe.

This fight is a joke and so for that matter is Calzaghe.

Calzaghe's gone on record and said he doesnt want to fight Veit, he's the WBO mandatory and is being forced into it. Calzaghe complained he couldnt motivate himself for a fighter he give a breating too already.

It sucks ass but i cant see this fight happening.

And people bash Hopkins for fighting Robert Allen. Same situation here..

Joey Calzone is a fraud, the WBO belt is worthless, and we should stop mentioning his name in the same breath as quality prizefighters like Lacy, Tarver, Johnson, etc. Even Clinton Woods makes Calzone look like a bum.

- SacTown1

Joey Calzone is a fraud, the WBO belt is worthless, and we should stop mentioning his name in the same breath as quality prizefighters like Lacy, Tarver, Johnson, etc. Even Clinton Woods makes Calzone look like a bum.

- SacTown1

Delete as applicable. You are:

a) Dumb as a pig.

b) A Roy Jones fan (in denial).

c) A German.

He is still fighting Magee, the fight with Veit is taking place on may 7th.

I think Joe will fight Lacy at the end of this year, both Lacy and Calzaghe have to defend there belts , Lacy has already said he is defending his title, so i can see Calzaghe defending his belt and then setting up a unification fight between the two later in the year.

As for you people thinking Lacy would ko Calzaghe, you must be joking. Calzaghe will take Lacy apart i can see him winning inside 5, He's been in with a lot better opponents than Lacy, both sheik and williams hurt Lacy and the sheik fight was very close, Calzaghe gave sheik a beeting for 4 rounds then it got stopped in the 5th.

Thanks for the clarification. And yeah I don't see Lacy beating Calzaghe either. He just gets hit way too much. Speaking of undeserving title shots. I can't see what Williams did to earn that shot. Lacy needs to fight much tougher competition before he should challenge Calzaghe.

Delete as applicable. You are:

a) Dumb as a pig.

b) A Roy Jones fan (in denial).

c) A German.
Actually, I am -
1. A college graduate with a degree in Strategic Management
2. A boxing fan who knows a fraud when he sees one
3. Irish

Calzone is an entertaining mid-range contender, but nothing more, his best win was against Byron Mitchell, a lousy former paper-chump, who nearly knocked calzone out in round 1.

Delete as applicable. You are:

a) Dumb as a pig.

b) A Roy Jones fan (in denial).

c) A German.
Oh yeah, David Haye is garbage also, but I'm sure you know that already

That is pretty cool. I majored in Finance at UT-panam.
Good stuff my brother, congrats on the finance degree, not an easy area of expertise to study.... maybe you could give HayeFan some advice on how to invest his nest-egg by betting against Joey Calzone whenever he decides to fight somebody with a pulse.

Actually, I am -
1. A college graduate with a degree in Strategic Management
2. A boxing fan who knows a fraud when he sees one
3. Irish

Calzone is an entertaining mid-range contender, but nothing more, his best win was against Byron Mitchell, a lousy former paper-chump, who nearly knocked calzone out in round 1.

Nearley knocked him out, i dont know what fight you were watching Calzaghe got knocked down but got straight back up and knocked him out the first person to do so, i don't think Mitchell had ever been knocked down before, Calzaghe was never hurt in the fight.

Nearley knocked him out, i dont know what fight you were watching Calzaghe got knocked down but got straight back up and knocked him out the first person to do so, i don't think Mitchell had ever been knocked down before, Calzaghe was never hurt in the fight.
All I got to say to HitterWitter is 2 words: Zab Judah.

Joey Calzone is a fraud, the WBO belt is worthless, and we should stop mentioning his name in the same breath as quality prizefighters like Lacy, Tarver, Johnson, etc. Even Clinton Woods makes Calzone look like a bum.

- SacTown1

Your so ****ing funny, LMFAO!!

Not funny ha ha, funny queer :D

Calzaghe's a fraud and shouldnt be mentioned in the same breath as Lacy(never beaten a decent fighter), Tarver(one hit wonder), Johnson(i like the guy so no insults)!!?? WTF??

You just dont know boxing!!

winning the WBO against Chris Eubank makes it worth a hell of a lot more than winning the IBF against Syd Vanderpool!! when you start to learn about boxing you will find that the fighters are bigger than the belts.

Actually, I am -
1. A college graduate with a degree in Strategic Management
2. A boxing fan who knows a fraud when he sees one
3. Irish

Calzone is an entertaining mid-range contender, but nothing more, his best win was against Byron Mitchell, a lousy former paper-chump, who nearly knocked calzone out in round 1.

Check out little Lord Fauntleroy, with his degree in Strategic Management, bonafide.

You may know how to strategise, manage even, but you know feck all about Joe Calzaghe.

Check out little Lord Fauntleroy, with his degree in Strategic Management, bonafide.

You may know how to strategise, manage even, but you know feck all about Joe Calzaghe.

It annoys me when people think degree's are the vertex of intelligence, there's far more to life than one lame subject.

You cant measure real intelligence with tests because it only tests the ability to learn a boring subject, its just a test of someone's attention span.

He knows **** all about Calzaghe!!

Your so ****ing funny, LMFAO!!

Not funny ha ha, funny queer :D

Calzaghe's a fraud and shouldnt be mentioned in the same breath as Lacy(never beaten a decent fighter), Tarver(one hit wonder), Johnson(i like the guy so no insults)!!?? WTF??

You just dont know boxing!!

winning the WBO against Chris Eubank makes it worth a hell of a lot more than winning the IBF against Syd Vanderpool!! when you start to learn about boxing you will find that the fighters are bigger than the belts.
Chris Eubank?!?! Oh yeah he was that over-the-hill over-hyped European with a rock-solid-physique and no ability.

You're right, Lacy hasn't beaten a decent fighter yet, all he's done is won a vacant belt against the over-hyped Vanderpool, but remeber he's only fought 20 times. Calzone has had double-digit "title defenses" against a bunch of nobody's.

And your'e also right, degrees don't make the man, it's the man that makes the degree (kinda like the title belts). The fancy piece of paper from Sacramento State isn't worth 10 cents, but my degree became worthwhile because it was a stepping stone to a 6-figure career at the age of 22.

Calzone and his promoter have made the belt worthless by defending against European nobody's. Now he's gonna fight Veit again?!?!?! IT'S A JOKE!

Remember children, this site is just for kicks, if we knew any better we'd be the promoters and managers of these guys.

- SacTown1

Looks like you know about as much about Calzaghe as you do about Eubank.

Do you think Joe's fans, even the hardcore few are happy about the prospect of a rematch with Veit? Of course not.

Joe's crowning moment fell through not so long ago after a very respectable offer to fight Hopkins (stateside) was declined.

I swear to God, you come off as someone who's entire beef with a fighter is based on watching 1 fight and a trip to boxrec.com.

Looks like you know about as much about Calzaghe as you do about Eubank.

Do you think Joe's fans, even the hardcore few are happy about the prospect of a rematch with Veit? Of course not.

Joe's crowning moment fell through not so long ago after a very respectable offer to fight Hopkins (stateside) was declined.

I swear to God, you come off as someone who's entire beef with a fighter is based on watching 1 fight and a trip to boxrec.com.
I've never been to boxrec.com, maybe I should check it out, and I've seen Calzone about 4 or 5 times now on Showtime, I'll admit that the kid's got dynamite in his left hand, but he's so incredibly awkward that he'd never have a chance against someone with mobility and skills that would give him angles and make him miss (Johnson, Tarver, etc.)...at this point it's a toss-up vs. Lacy becuase Lacy's never had to face a dynamite puncher, but Calzone will continue to earn the disrespect of US fans as long as he fights re-treads and has-been's.

Chris Eubank?!?! Oh yeah he was that over-the-hill over-hyped European with a rock-solid-physique and no ability.

You're right, Lacy hasn't beaten a decent fighter yet, all he's done is won a vacant belt against the over-hyped Vanderpool, but remeber he's only fought 20 times. Calzone has had double-digit "title defenses" against a bunch of nobody's.

And your'e also right, degrees don't make the man, it's the man that makes the degree (kinda like the title belts). The fancy piece of paper from Sacramento State isn't worth 10 cents, but my degree became worthwhile because it was a stepping stone to a 6-figure career at the age of 22.

Calzone and his promoter have made the belt worthless by defending against European nobody's. Now he's gonna fight Veit again?!?!?! IT'S A JOKE!

Remember children, this site is just for kicks, if we knew any better we'd be the promoters and managers of these guys.

- SacTown1

This european thing is one of my worst hate's, its so very wrong to judge a fighter on their origin. Anyway europe produces some of the best fighters in the sport.

Hope you do well in your job, a degree is worth getting if it takes you to the right places, but IMO its not a measure of someone's general intelligence.

Once again, i think your perception about european fighters is so wrong. Joe Calzaghe has beaten some very good, underated fighters. He doesnt want to fight Veit its the WBO who are forcing the mandatory on him.

I've never been to boxrec.com, maybe I should check it out, and I've seen Calzone about 4 or 5 times now on Showtime, I'll admit that the kid's got dynamite in his left hand, but he's so incredibly awkward that he'd never have a chance against someone with mobility and skills that would give him angles and make him miss (Johnson, Tarver, etc.)...at this point it's a toss-up vs. Lacy becuase Lacy's never had to face a dynamite puncher, but Calzone will continue to earn the disrespect of US fans as long as he fights re-treads and has-been's.

You need to visit boxrec.com

I dont understand why US fans dont respect Calzaghe?? Tarver, Johnson and Hopkins have all refused to fight him. It should be them you lose respect for.

I've never been to boxrec.com, maybe I should check it out, and I've seen Calzone about 4 or 5 times now on Showtime, I'll admit that the kid's got dynamite in his left hand, but he's so incredibly awkward that he'd never have a chance against someone with mobility and skills that would give him angles and make him miss (Johnson, Tarver, etc.)...at this point it's a toss-up vs. Lacy becuase Lacy's never had to face a dynamite puncher, but Calzone will continue to earn the disrespect of US fans as long as he fights re-treads and has-been's.

I seriously hope that you're an accurate reflection of American opinion as a whole.

It's going to be an eye opening year for you.

I seriously hope that you're an accurate reflection of American opinion as a whole.

It's going to be an eye opening year for you.
I'm just 1 man my brother, my opinion isn't the consensus of the entire USA, it's just my opinion, quite frankly I usually disagree with all of the US media regarding who's gonna make an impact....
I remember Ricardo Williams getting all of this hype afew years back, and all I could think of is "Great, another crack-head from Ohio with an Olympic background who'll amount to jack-squat"...meanwhile, Jermain taylor slowly climbed up the ranks with much less hype and has recently begun to prove his worth at 160...
It's not like I hate all European fighters man, I just don't respect the guys who refuse to travel to the States....Muhammad Ali fought in England and Germany, why can't Ottke and Calzone make a trip to NYC???

I have mad respect for Prince Naseem, because once he had smashed every European with a pulse, he brought his show to the US, and did very well against the best we had to offer, and he was respectful of Barrera & made no excuses for his loss

Lighten up everybody! This stuff is just for fun!

Actually, I am -
1. A college graduate with a degree in Strategic Management
2. A boxing fan who knows a fraud when he sees one
3. Irish

Calzone is an entertaining mid-range contender, but nothing more, his best win was against Byron Mitchell, a lousy former paper-chump, who nearly knocked calzone out in round 1.
what about spelling joes name correctly sacTown1

Although I 100% agree that if Calzaghe wants to enhance his reputation he needs to start fighting Stateside (although realistically while he`s signed to Warren this aint gonna happen), some of the knocks he`s getting here are well out of order. He hasnt accomplished nearly as much as he should have but you`ld have to be sticking your head in the sand to claim that guys like Johnson, Tarver and Lacy are a class above. Sactown youre entitled to your opinion and all, but your arguements are let down by your displays of wilful ignorance with claims like Eubank having "no ability" and Calzaghe being "nearly KOed" by Mitchell (as pointed out, Calzaghe popped straight back up and hammered the hell out of Mitchell). For all their good points, Lacy, Tarver and Johnson are all eminently beatable and to suggest that a marauding puncher like Calzaghe who, although he hasn`t fought as good a calibre of opponent as we`d hope for has still found ways to beat them all, wouldn`t "stand a chance" is ridiculous.

wouldn`t "stand a chance" is ridiculous.

I think William Joppy weighing in at the middle weight limit would give Calzone trouble. Beating Jimenez and Brewer does not really prove anything in my opinion, he should step up to the plate; or stfu.

When is Calzaghe going to step up? He's been champ for years, is unbeaten, and we STILL don't know if he's elite.

Well the problem in the SMW/LHW divisions for years is that the talent has been comparatively weak, geographically dispersed and dominated by the spectre of formerly untouchable Superman RJJ. Now RJJ is out of the picture, who is there with enough credibility/box office potential to lure Calzaghe out of the UK? Tarver`s been exposed, Johnson was widely considered a journeyman until very recently, Lacy`s untested. Interesting thought on Joppy, but you have to wonder whether the guy`s heart is in it and whether at his age he wants to get hit by the bigger-punching SMWs. Calzaghe`s at a bit of a dead-end right now, partly due to his refusal to travel but not wholly his fault. The other big problem is that so many people have already their minds up about him, so if he did beat Tarver/Johnson it`d be "well Tarver/Johnson`s old and on the slide" and if he did beat Lacy it`d be "guy was over-hyped anyway".

I think William Joppy weighing in at the middle weight limit would give Calzone trouble. Beating Jimenez and Brewer does not really prove anything in my opinion, he should step up to the plate; or stfu.

That's priceless.

I've print screened that post for a rainy day.

When is Calzaghe going to step up? He's been champ for years, is unbeaten, and we STILL don't know if he's elite.

Why dont you ask Bernard Hopkins, Sven Ottke and Steve Collins why Calzaghe hasn't 'stepped up' in your book.

Look at the Brits continue to defend Calzaghe.
Calzaghe has the resume of a PROSPECT.......
All we hear about is what Joe is GONNA do....& we've been hearing it for years.

I don't think I've ever seen a guy perfect the art of stagnation until Calzaghe came around.

Look at the Brits continue to defend Calzaghe.
Calzaghe has the resume of a PROSPECT.......
All we hear about is what Joe is GONNA do....& we've been hearing it for years.

I don't think I've ever seen a guy perfect the art of stagnation until Calzaghe came around.


Calzaghe is stagnating. Agreed.

Resume of a prospect? OK, who SHOULD he have faced?

Calzaghe is stagnating. Agreed.

Resume of a prospect? OK, who SHOULD he have faced?

Antwun Echols, RJJ about 3-4 years ago, Bernard Hopkins. Hopefully he'll fight Lacy at the end of the year.

Antwun Echols, RJJ about 3-4 years ago, Bernard Hopkins. Hopefully he'll fight Lacy at the end of the year.

Echols = IMO not much point

Jones = Dont know why this fight didnt happen, but it could have been good.

Hopkins - Like it or not he *****ed out of the Calzaghe fight, shame because that could have been good too.

Lacy = i have to agree, i'd really like to see this. IMO Lacy wouldnt stand a chance against a controlled Calzaghe but Calzaghe's never controlled during a fight, there both very reckless and someone get KO'd the **** out!!

[QUOTE=elveiel]Echols = IMO not much point

Echols would be a good fight for him. JC hasn't faced anyone with a pulse in a while. I think JC stops him because of Echols chin but with the power Echols has, it could be interesting.

Echols is waaaayyy past it.

Problem is Calzaghe is content to fight these pointless mandatories and not complain. The only way Joe fights the big fights is 1. Dump Frank Warren 2. Move to the USA and fight there (yes, i know Joe is scared of flying!).

How could Hopkins vs. Allen happen three times, the world would never know how these matchs are made :D

The first Allen-Hopkins was an NC, thus the rematch. The third time he was Hopkins's mandatory

I hope they do fight this year before JC moves up just to silence the critics even though I think there's tougher fights out there for him. Easy fight for Calzaghe, Lacy is not even close to being able to beat him. In fact I'd say Lacy is tailor-made for him.

Off topic but is it true that Magee beat Lacy in the amateurs?

Rubin Williams beat Jeff Lacy in the amateurs, too. Didn't matter last Saturday...

Rubin Williams beat Jeff Lacy in the amateurs, too. Didn't matter last Saturday...

Taylor beat Lacy in the amateurs, and In my half ass opinion, that would not matter if they fought as pros. Lacy would break him down in the later rounds; as well as he would do Calzaghe.

At best, these fighters could use their length to keep him at distance, but his chin is made of Iron. He would beat them both.

Looks like you know about as much about Calzaghe as you do about Eubank.

Do you think Joe's fans, even the hardcore few are happy about the prospect of a rematch with Veit? Of course not.

Joe's crowning moment fell through not so long ago after a very respectable offer to fight Hopkins (stateside) was declined.

I swear to God, you come off as someone who's entire beef with a fighter is based on watching 1 fight and a trip to boxrec.com.

I've seen Calzaghe on Showtime twice - once in an outdoor fight where he couldn't put away a guy that looked like a Sunday Night Fox Sports undercard fighter - and once in a hometown Cotto-Corley style stoppage against Byron Mitchell where people outside of the same geographical location of Wales all thought something was very fishy about that referee and Joe's "communication"

I wish someone would post some downloads of Calzaghe exhibiting what apparently I have missed. I have tons of points if that's your thing and want reimbursement.

Can anyone upload some Calzaghe fights?

Damn, how come these Calzaghe threads always die when I ask someone to upload some of his stuff?

lmao if u guys go over to the boxing.de site even germans think viet is gonna lose by KO

I don't think that fight will happen. I see JC moving up weight.

Antwun Echols, RJJ about 3-4 years ago, Bernard Hopkins. Hopefully he'll fight Lacy at the end of the year.


Jones. They were on a collision course in 2001. Tiger was the only challenge left for Roy at light heavy. Knowing that fight wasn't likely to ever take place outside of Germany, Jones started to take offers from Calzaghe seriously. I'm not sure why it didn't happen, Jones is known for being fickle(deservedly so), who knows? I dont.

Hopkins. The offer was made, and a genuine one at that. The money was good, great even, for Hopkins. The fight would take place stateside. The outcome? Offer declined. As a side note, I remember an interview Hopkins gave at the time of the offer. When asked about Calzaghe, Hopkins played oblivious, changing subject immediately on the interviewer. Hopkins is a shrewd man, his options never included Joe.

Echols. Most definitely. I'd have loved to have seen them fight a few years ago. Sh*t, even a faded version would be a more exciting prospect than Veit II or Magee. Echol's loss to Mundine makes him a backwards step though, and as much as Veit represents a greater step backwards in terms of competitiveness, he's Joe's mandatory. It's a 'nothing' fight, a bullsh*t fiasco that has pissed off ALL of Joe's fans. What it does mean though, is that Joe's still at 168, keeping alive the prospect of a showdown with Lacy.

I'm glad you were sensible enough to omit Ottke from that list.

Damn, how come these Calzaghe threads always die when I ask someone to upload some of his stuff?

I have some. I can't capture video though.

Surely someone out there has the Eubank fight?

I'm glad you were sensible enough to omit Ottke from that list.[/QUOTE]


LOL!!! Yeah he'd destroy Ottke & probably within 3 rounds & then get disqualified for legally KO'ing him.

I don't think that fight will happen. I see JC moving up weight.

It's looking likely.