View Full Version : question for the experts: can a big guy be dangerous on the inside (up close)?


justin04
03-07-2005, 01:56 AM
i just re-watched vitali k vs. lennox lewis, a fight between two big heavyweights, and i noticed that although vitali seemed to land more solid shots at range, lewis seemed to be alot better at working on the inside (remember the big uppercuts he popped klitschko with), even though he has longer arms than klitschko.

here is my question, for the people on here who know more about boxing than i do: what is the relationship, if any, between the size of the fighter, in terms of height and/or arm length, and how effective they will probably be on the inside? are there any heavyweights over 6'4" who are exceptional inside fighters?

and if anyone has time, what is the ideal size for a heavyweight? i happen to think that right now riddick bowe size is the best - 6'4" with long arms, good versatile medium size.

DCReprezenta
03-07-2005, 02:00 AM
I believe dimensions play a big part in what style would be the most efficient for a heavyweight, and for any weight for that matter....Example, David Tua and Mike Tyson both are short and compact, both have excelled in turning short punches with amazing force due to their compact low to the ground solid frames and bases. Michael Grant was known for fighting inside and got knocked out a few times, he was 6'7 wit the longest reach in boxing. Bottom line, if u can drive then dont walk.

PessimisticPug
03-07-2005, 02:24 AM
Generally the big guys never fought very well on the inside. But there are always exceptions. It seemed that the smaller men were always able to work well on the inside, with their shorter arms and compact punches. There are bigger men that can throw on the inside but Im unable to think of any right now, maybe a coincidence. The problem that big guys face on the inside is that they first need to get low or atleast as low as their opponents to be effective. Then they must try to shorten their punches on the inside with their longer arms which can be difficult. Like I said I can no think of any bigger guys that work well on the inside, but they are out there I'm sure......Rockin'

Riddick
03-07-2005, 07:52 AM
Bowe was excellent inside fighter but usually good inside fighters are types like Marciano, Tyson and Tua. That's how its always been.

DrDac
03-07-2005, 08:59 AM
I agree with DC, I also feel that physical dimensions of the fighter have a lot of carry-over into in-fighting.

czars_salad
03-07-2005, 09:06 AM
Bowe was excellent inside fighter but usually good inside fighters are types like Marciano, Tyson and Tua. That's how its always been.
and they were small, a great addition are henry armstrong and frazier

jack_the_rippuh
03-07-2005, 09:27 AM
Hopkins - a tall middleweight is good on the inside..

boxernyc
03-07-2005, 09:36 AM
What is the relationship, if any, between the size of the fighter, in terms of height and/or arm length, and how effective they will probably be on the inside?

are there any heavyweights over 6'4" who are exceptional inside fighters?

and if anyone has time, what is the ideal size for a heavyweight? i happen to think that right now riddick bowe size is the best - 6'4" with long arms, good versatile medium size.

Like most people are saying the smaller guys do better on the inside. It is really out of necesity and the larger guys will have trouble working on the inside because of the dimensions of their arms and the height of a shorter opponent. And because it just makes sense to train on keeping the shorter guys away with longer punches. If the opponent is relatively the same size (ala Lewis - Klitschko) then uppercuts are going to be effective but hooks will still have trouble landing.

Sorry don't know.

The ideal size for a heavyweight seems to be somewhere around 7'4" and 280 lbs. At least that's the way the weight class is going. If you look back at old school heavyweights they were around 6' and around 190 and up. Now it seems like the lightest you can be is 220. I think the ideal is to be fast and tall and not necesarily as heavy. 6'4 does sound good and lean and strong at around 220.

Well that is my 'expert' ;) opinion.

DCReprezenta
03-07-2005, 12:00 PM
Hopkins - a tall middleweight is good on the inside..
but much better commanding the fight from a distance.

jack_the_rippuh
03-07-2005, 12:01 PM
but much better commanding the fight from a distance.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that. I mean he's broke down fighters on the inside even more effective than he boxed on the outside. How many Hopkins fights have you seen?

DCReprezenta
03-07-2005, 12:04 PM
I wouldn't go as far as to say that. I mean he's broke down fighters on the inside even more effective than he boxed on the outside. How many Hopkins fights have you seen?
hmmmm maybe about 15 from every part of his career.....fought Roy on the inside and lost, fought Mercado on the inside and got a draw............boxed Trinidad from safe distances and won, boxed De La Hoya from safe distances and won........Bottom line, jus becuz u CAN fight on the inside doesnt mean that u SHOULD.

jack_the_rippuh
03-07-2005, 12:08 PM
hmmmm maybe about 15 from every part of his career.....fought Roy on the inside and lost, fought Mercado on the inside and got a draw............boxed Trinidad from safe distances and won, boxed De La Hoya from safe distances and won........Bottom line, jus becuz u CAN fight on the inside doesnt mean that u SHOULD.

Actually fighting Roy from the outside would be a dumb decision. I seen parts of that fight, it looked to be a tactical fight and was mostly on the outside. He took the Mercado fight on late notice, he destroyed the guy in a rematch. Look at round 10 of the Trinidad fight where he actually has him hurt from beating him down on the inside. Standing down on your punches (on the inside) allows you to hit alot more effectively.

DCReprezenta
03-07-2005, 12:10 PM
Actually fighting Roy from the outside would be a dumb decision. I seen parts of that fight, it looked to be a tactical fight and was mostly on the outside. He took the Mercado fight on late notice, he destroyed the guy in a rematch. Look at round 10 of the Trinidad fight where he actually has him hurt from beating him down on the inside. Standing down on your punches (on the inside) allows you to hit alot more effectively.
Dude...erybody know Hopkins fights from the outside, that's y he is called the most defensive minded fighter in the game.

jack_the_rippuh
03-07-2005, 12:25 PM
Dude...erybody know Hopkins fights from the outside, that's y he is called the most defensive minded fighter in the game.

Okay, but I never said he didn't fight from the outsid. If you look at my original post all I said was, "Hopkins - A tall Middleweight is good on the inside." and he is good on the inside..

leff
03-07-2005, 03:47 PM
Well a tall guy can offcourse be good one the inside, but why should they risk when they can stay on the outside and jabb , which is a lot safer.

Yes tua, tyson, frazier,marciano are examples of good inside fighter.

But they have to fight on the inside because they can out jabb their taller opponents.

If you have too do something youl will be good at it.