THEY ARE BOTH MY IDOLS! THE THRILL IS FAST APPROACHING.
GOOD LUCK!!!!

undefinedTHEY ARE BOTH MY IDOLS! THE THRILL FAST IS APPRAOCHING.
GOOD LUCK!!!!

ZEZ you crack me up! Lets just hope youre not an english professor :p

Yep, I like both of them a lot. This one has a chance to be one of the great fights.

This one will be a war. May god bless them both and see that neither is damaged seriosly...............Rockin'

I Was Just Hasten To Write, Geeee!
NOW SPAWNED CORRECTION ABOVE ;)

A bloody KO will settle all the trash-talking. Hope Pacman will be the last man standing.

I am also rooting for Pacman but hope both fighters come out with something left.

I am also rooting for Pacman but hope both fighters come out with something left.


I'm sure they will . They're both great warriors and there will never be true losers in this fight. Both will surely come out of this fight better experienced boxers :cool:

Now this fight puzzles me, Before I would have picked Morales easy becuz of his toughness and Pacquaio's the more vulnerable fighter....but Pacquaio has hurt Barrera (something Morales failed to do) and also gave Marquez (who i think is even more put togetha than Barrera and Morales) hell......wouldnt be surprised of Pacquaio stops Morales.

Now this fight puzzles me, Before I would have picked Morales easy becuz of his toughness and Pacquaio's the more vulnerable fighter....but Pacquaio has hurt Barrera (something Morales failed to do) and also gave Marquez (who i think is even more put togetha than Barrera and Morales) hell......wouldnt be surprised of Pacquaio stops Morales.


Though many would argue your point (that since Pac beat Barrera he would have a good chance on beating Erik, who lost recently to Barrera), you are right in thinking that the fight could go either way. There are even some who predict a draw but by the nature of both fighters (both being sluggers), I wouldn't bet on the fight going the full distance.

JrJones beat the crap out of barrera,
Did he do the same to morales?

styles make fights...

correct, styles make fights....but who for the last 5 years have people been saying are the mirror images of each other? Barrera and Morales....who for the last 5 years have pretty much equaled each other in every aspect of the word? Barrera and Morales..........and when i compared Pac Man's performance against Barrera, i was making the point that Pac Man has brought the most disciplined of boxers in the division to the canvas, hard to believe he cant/wont do the same to Morales.

correct, styles make fights....but who for the last 5 years have people been saying are the mirror images of each other? Barrera and Morales....who for the last 5 years have pretty much equaled each other in every aspect of the word? Barrera and Morales..........and when i compared Pac Man's performance against Barrera, i was making the point that Pac Man has brought the most disciplined of boxers in the division to the canvas, hard to believe he cant/wont do the same to Morales.
ur insane if u think barrera and morales styles are mirror image
theyve been compared as mexican stars
not their styles
their styles couldnt be more different

Wake up! Who has dropped Morales? Just because he dropped barrera and JMM dont mean the same ****s going to happen to Morales.

ur insane if u think barrera and morales styles are mirror image
theyve been compared as mexican stars
not their styles
their styles couldnt be more different


I thought Morales was offensive and Barrera Counter-puncher type brawler/boxer...?

two great fighters in their prime imo... seems like this fight will end early by exciting like hagler and hearns... but what i said before i want it to be like gatti ward... but we'll see... and after this fight this place will be hectic... but i got manny to win the fight...

ur insane if u think barrera and morales styles are mirror image
theyve been compared as mexican stars
not their styles
their styles couldnt be more different
They are both boxer/punchers, jus thrive in opposing hands...Barrera with the left, Morales with the right.

I thought Morales was offensive and Barrera Counter-puncher type brawler/boxer...?
and Morales is not a brawler first, if u watch his fights in recent time he boxes then resorts to brawling if necessary....ie, vs. Ayala & Chavez.

I was talk about barrera most of his fights he slugs it out he tried it again pacman and got beat to the punch, you make no point either way.

They are both boxer/punchers, jus thrive in opposing hands...Barrera with the left, Morales with the right.
morales is about pressure comin forward
barreras about waiten to counter

Wake up! Who has dropped Morales? Just because he dropped barrera and JMM dont mean the same ****s going to happen to Morales.
Dude, Morales got stunned by Jesus Chavez and Chavez isnt as relentless nor aggressive as Pac Man....that shows you that Morales can be hurt. And who else to prove one's chin than Pacquaio who's floored the other 2 mexican featherweight kings numerous times.

Morales has actually been the counterpuncher in recent years...did you not see his fight against Barrera?

Anyone Can get stunned morales aint a machine. That still doesent prove **** Pacman has some losses so WTF Does that mean hes a peice of ****? no.

Anyone Can get stunned morales aint a machine. That still doesent prove **** Pacman has some losses so WTF Does that mean hes a peice of ****? no.
Dude, are u serious?....in recent times can you honestly say Morales has been as impressive as Pac Man?....both can be hurt, both are human, but the fact still remains that we know Pac Man can hurt the toughest of opponents, can Morales do the same?

.......any fighter can be hurt.. you make no point though i guess pac man is going to win because morales got hurt by chavez

listen man, any fighter can be hurt...but what im sayin is neither Barrera or Marquez have been able to hurt Pac Man...what does Morales bring to the table that those 2 didnt? please answer dat.

Right Hook
Accurate Uppercut
Ability to fight hurt really well honestly when he gets punched it seems to get him going


pacman leaves him self open
I Beleive pacman is a one dimensional fighter he is going to be really predictable and already figured out he better come in with something else other than that running left because morales will be prepared I think it was morales that challenged pacman hes not a fool he knew what he was doing. this is morales's fight

Dude, Morales got stunned by Jesus Chavez and Chavez isnt as relentless nor aggressive as Pac Man....that shows you that Morales can be hurt. And who else to prove one's chin than Pacquaio who's floored the other 2 mexican featherweight kings numerous times.

His chin's been proven and tested. For me it's more of a question of just how ****ing hard can Pac hit. Yep his power's also been proven but if he floors Morales ah man it'd be something else. Correction when he floors Morales lol

His chin's been proven and tested. For me it's more of a question of just how ****ing hard can Pac hit. Yep his power's also been proven but if he floors Morales ah man it'd be something else. Correction when he floors Morales lol


lol :boxing:

.......any fighter can be hurt.. you make no point though i guess pac man is going to win because morales got hurt by chavez

I think he was merely implying if you can get hurt, you can get knocked out.

Honestly dude, I criticized Pac Man jus as u are doing...I jus knew Barrera would dismantle him inside of 5 rounds "Too aggressive, too offensive, no defense" i said about Pac Man, then about a 30 minutes after the first bell im proven wrong.......So when I heard about his fight against Marquez (who i felt is more naturally a better boxer than Barrera) I said "well, he's gonna naturally do what Barrera should have done, being so that he's been doing that his whole career and didnt recently make the transition"...then after that first round i was silenced......................Morales no doubt is the truth, but he neither offensively or defensively is that much more diffrent than the 2 guys who Pacquaio put thru hell, and yes Morales fights well hurt but just as u say Morales turns on that 2nd gear when he is hurt, Pac Man turns on his 2nd gear when he gets u hurt.

PS: When a guy knocks out a p4p champion and gives anotha one hell for a full 12 rounds....he usually isnt 1-Dimensional.

listen man, any fighter can be hurt...but what im sayin is neither Barrera or Marquez have been able to hurt Pac Man...what does Morales bring to the table that those 2 didnt? please answer dat.

One ****ing wicked uppercut. And Pac's weakness is the right hook. Too bad EM ain't gonna land first.

yeah he is he never does **** but throws the left.

STOP COMPARING THESE FIGHTS MORALES IS NOT BARRERA AND NOT JMM OK

different fighters

AND PACMAN IS ONE DIMENSIONAL he has yet to prove the he is not

honestly neither of us can sit here and say what's goign to happen because on any given day anything can happen and its going to be whoever brings there **** to the table that day that will pull it off.

Thats a honest opinion

yeah he is he never does **** but throws the left.

STOP COMPARING THESE FIGHTS MORALES IS NOT BARRERA AND NOT JMM OK

different fighters

AND PACMAN IS ONE DIMENSIONAL he has yet to prove the he is not
wow, knocking out Barrera and physically beating up Marquez proves nothing...guess you are right Mr. Sensai of Boxing Knowledge sir.

yeah he is he never does **** but throws the left.

STOP COMPARING THESE FIGHTS MORALES IS NOT BARRERA AND NOT JMM OK

different fighters

AND PACMAN IS ONE DIMENSIONAL he has yet to prove the he is not

he's not. He just has a favorite money punch and **** ya it's been working out well. I gurantee you if the Marquez fight never happened, you would have NEVER heard of this assesment. You don't land 8-12 punch combos on Barrera and be called one-dimensional.

im out numbered hahaha

wow, knocking out Barrera and physically beating up Marquez proves nothing...guess you are right Mr. Sensai of Boxing Knowledge sir.


DONT BE A ****ING **** TALKER take that **** some where else

im out numbered hahaha

Sorry for the gangbang but nah seriously dude, watch the barrera fight again, one-dimensional would be the last thing you'd say about him. Trust me.

nah its fine the fights close and almost here no one really know what is really going to happen most of us are probably talking out of are asses for all we know its going to end as a no contest on a accident headbutt.

nah its fine the fights close and almost here no one really know what is really going to happen most of us are probably talking out of are asses for all we know its going to end as a no contest on a accident headbutt.

well it's cool to discuss. But that would suck if fight ends up stopped on cuts or something which is likely to happen (southpaw vs orthodox -asking for headbutts specially both fighters come forward)

Sorry for the gangbang but nah seriously dude, watch the barrera fight again, one-dimensional would be the last thing you'd say about him. Trust me.
And lets not forget his fight against Marquez, you also dont counter a brilliant counter puncher like Juan Manuel and be called one-dimensional.......Pacquaio actually outboxes these guys while outbrawling them, thats the scary thing, he dodges punches and comes around and in between them.

lol he floored marquez 3 times and dident win.

lol he floored marquez 3 times and dident win.
thats a testament to Juan Manuel's determination, but had Pacquaio got the nod i wouldnt have been surprised.

And lets not forget his fight against Marquez, you also dont counter a brilliant counter puncher like Juan Manuel and be called one-dimensional.......Pacquaio actually outboxes these guys while outbrawling them, thats the scary thing, he dodges punches and comes around and in between them.

Yeah, a lot of people say pac got schooled after round 2, but after JMM took the middle rounds it was back and forth.

It's his footwork and head movements taht give them the most toruble. As if fighting a southpaw isn't awkward enough. You got head movements that distract you, in and out rythm that ****s with your distance calculations, and a left hand bomb you have to watch for as well. Let's not forget his handspeed and stamina. Thats' why he's able to neutralize boxers. Jabs have nothing on him. Honestly, can you name me another southpaw that muster up as much body and head movements as Pac in a span of 12 rounds?

Yeah, a lot of people say pac got schooled after round 2, but after JMM took the middle rounds it was back and forth.

It's his footwork and head movements taht give them the most toruble. As if fighting a southpaw isn't awkward enough. You got head movements that distract you, in and out rythm that ****s with your distance calculations, and a left hand bomb you have to watch for as well. Thats' why he's able to neutralize boxers. Jabs have nothing on him. Honestly, can you name me another southpaw that muster up as much body and head movements as Pac in a span of 12 rounds?
he's like a 12 round prime Mike Tyson. And i had money on Marquez that fight so i was naturally biased on fight night, but honestly there was no schooling Juan Manuel did his thing but was never dominant. It kinda appeared that when Pac Man decided to drop bombs, he did jus that.

he's like a 12 round prime Mike Tyson. And i had money on Marquez that fight so i was naturally biased on fight night, but honestly there was no schooling Juan Manuel did his thing but was never dominant. It kinda appeared that when Pac Man decided to drop bombs, he did jus that.

Yeah, Morales can weather storms but not for 12 rounds. An not at that pace at least imo. We'll see
To top it off Marquez' style fits Manny's like a glove and he was in prime condition in that fight, trained at 10K feet or more I heard. And he still went down, down and down.

Yeah, Morales can weather storms but not for 12 rounds. An not at that pace at least imo. We'll see
To top it off Marquez' style fits Manny's like a glove and he was in prime condition in that fight, trained at 10K feet or more I heard. And he still went down, down and down.
And I hate to compare again, but Marquez is also far more defensive in nature than Morales and still got caught, Should be interesting to see how Morales tries to avoid Pac Man.....Best case scenario for Morales is that he takes Pac Man's punch and gives him a laugh like he did Ayala, Worst case scenario for Morales is that his right eye (which swells grotesquely) gets closed early becuz he would then be led to the slaughter.

undefinedTHEY ARE BOTH MY IDOLS! THE THRILL IS FAST APPRAOCHING.
GOOD LUCK!!!!
pacman will win

Though many would argue your point (that since Pac beat Barrera he would have a good chance on beating Erik, who lost recently to Barrera), you are right in thinking that the fight could go either way. There are even some who predict a draw but by the nature of both fighters (both being sluggers), I wouldn't bet on the fight going the full distance.
YAAAP!PINOY IS ALWAYS BUHAY!!!!

And I hate to compare again, but Marquez is also far more defensive in nature than Morales and still got caught, Should be interesting to see how Morales tries to avoid Pac Man.....Best case scenario for Morales is that he takes Pac Man's punch and gives him a laugh like he did Ayala, Worst case scenario for Morales is that his right eye (which swells grotesquely) gets closed early becuz he would then be led to the slaughter.

Lol nah man that ain't happenin. But it would be very funny to see Morales taunt Pac and Pac would just smiling from the challenge.

I think Morales' defense should be his offense and back Pac up, to the ropes. He's too upright and slow to dip down like Marquez, no way he can mimic the performance. If he doesn't knock out Pac he's in for a long night.

Now this fight puzzles me, Before I would have picked Morales easy becuz of his toughness and Pacquaio's the more vulnerable fighter....but Pacquaio has hurt Barrera (something Morales failed to do) and also gave Marquez (who i think is even more put togetha than Barrera and Morales) hell......wouldnt be surprised of Pacquaio stops Morales.


Morales is a more complete fighter than Marquez...Marquez can't fight going forward (take the lead) as well as Erik and is not nearly as versatile as Erik. Erik can box and set his opponent up , he can brawl, or he sit back and counterpunch when he wants to.

Erik has hurt Barrera many times in their three fights. He had Barrera hurt 3-4 times down the stretch of their third fight...and who can forget that 5th round of their first fight. He just could never quite put him down or away.

this fight is TTTOOOOOOOO CLOSE TO CALL!!!! one minute i think morales is gonna win and then i think pacquaio is gonna win. i must say that barrera is my favourite boxer but i will admit this, pacman is NOT A 1 DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER. even though it pains me to watch the video against barrera, pacman showed that he is more than just a boxer who relies on just his left hand. his handspeed is phenomenal and he has excellent combo's to the body and the head.

morales is also a terrific boxer, if he chooses to box rather than get dragged into a war he could perhaps still be undefeated. the point im making is both fighters are terrific fighters and both fighters have a great chance come march 19th.

this fight is not so one sided as many people think. this fight will come down to who wants it more and in my opinion, morales has more to lose than pacquaio which is why i think he just might do it, then again, pacman is a monster and im sure he wants it just as much as morales. this fight is to close to call.

Morales is a more complete fighter than Marquez...Marquez can't fight going forward (take the lead) as well as Erik and is not nearly as versatile as Erik. Erik can box and set his opponent up , he can brawl, or he sit back and counterpunch when he wants to.

Erik has hurt Barrera many times in their three fights. He had Barrera hurt 3-4 times down the stretch of their third fight...and who can forget that 5th round of their first fight. He just could never quite put him down or away.

Morales got hurt as well in that 5th round and Barrera had his moments.

I will say 1 thing.

All hell is going to break loose on this forum after this fight.

Regardless of who wins etc.

I hope, and HOPE it is not a draw.

That would mark the starting point for WW3 between the two opposing

sides on BS.

Scratch that:

I CANT WAIT!

Morales got hurt as well in that 5th round and Barrera had his moments.


Absolutely...it was the small version of 10th rd. Bowe/Holy. Barrera took some nasty shots and answered back with his own arsenal.


I still think that Morales has had Barrera hurt more often than the converse.

Absolutely...it was the small version of 10th rd. Bowe/Holy. Barrera took some nasty shots and answered back with his own arsenal.


I still think that Morales has had Barrera hurt more often than the converse.

Yeah or Gatti/Ward 1 round 9
Both parties put the hurting one each other but for the sake of the conversation, yes he was hurt by Morales numerous of time. Just never hurt enough to go down.

I also think arsenal-speaking, Marquez is if not more complete than Morales. Yes Morales is more effective offensiveley but that's his style and not Marquez'. I'll tell you right now EM has nothing on JMM fighting backwards. Boat rocks both ways.

I also think arsenal-speaking, Marquez is if not more complete than Morales. Yes Morales is more effective offensiveley but that's his style and not Marquez'. I'll tell you right now EM has nothing on JMM fighting backwards. Boat rocks both ways.

Great Post Mooks. you are a hundred percent correct. Styles make fights, and in the case of the featherweights;

speculation runs rampant troughout the division.

Tough comparisons between Offensive and Defensive minded fighters.

Yeah or Gatti/Ward 1 round 9
Both parties put the hurting one each other but for the sake of the conversation, yes he was hurt by Morales numerous of time. Just never hurt enough to go down.

I also think arsenal-speaking, Marquez is if not more complete than Morales. Yes Morales is more effective offensiveley but that's his style and not Marquez'. I'll tell you right now EM has nothing on JMM fighting backwards. Boat rocks both ways.


When I think of complete I think of being able to do everything. I can't think of the last time I saw Marquez take the lead in a fight or succeed in an all out brawl (I don't count the Pac fight). Morales knows how to attack with the jab/right and lure you into the uppercut, he can stay outside and pot-shot, he can definitely counter (7th rd. of the 3rd Barrera fight is a nice example...pristine right counter over Barreras punch), he can brawl (outside of some of his Barrera encounters).

Marquez is great at what he does, but he doesn't do enough to be viewed as the more complete fighter IMO. He's also had the luxury of doing his work against lesser competition than Morales. Some great counterpunchers in the history of the game have shown the ability to attack and break their opponent down, thus making them more of a complete fighter (ex: Toney/Hopkins/Hagler come to mind). In conclusion...Morales is a more complete fighter because I say so... :moon:

When I think of complete I think of being able to do everything. I can't think of the last time I saw Marquez take the lead in a fight or succeed in an all out brawl (I don't count the Pac fight). Morales knows how to attack with the jab/right and lure you into the uppercut, he can stay outside and pot-shot, he can definitely counter (7th rd. of the 3rd Barrera fight is a nice example...pristine right counter over Barreras punch), he can brawl (outside of some of his Barrera encounters).

Marquez is great at what he does, but he doesn't do enough to be viewed as the more complete fighter IMO. He's also had the luxury of doing his work against lesser competition than Morales. Some great counterpunchers in the history of the game have shown the ability to attack and break their opponent down, thus making them more of a complete fighter (ex: Toney/Hopkins/Hagler come to mind). In conclusion...Morales is a more complete fighter because I say so... :moon:


lol okay, but only cuz you say so :D


But being more "complete" don't mean **** if your gonna get hit first :D

In "aresnal-Speaking", Morales is more complete fighter than Marquez.

In "aresnal-Speaking", Morales is more complete fighter than Marquez.

very arguable.

very arguable.

I dont really think so, Morales is a better balanced fighter and thus is in position many more times than marquez to throw a greater variety of EFFICIENT punches.

I dont really think so, Morales is a better balanced fighter and thus is in position many more times than marquez to throw a greater variety of EFFICIENT punches.

hey if you want to talk efficient Marquez throws a lil over 40 rounds per round and he's able to neutralize his opponents regardless of their styles. Consistant and efficient if you ask me. Can't get more efficient than a counterpuncher who hold two belts. If there's something I'd give Morales over Marquez, it's power and accuracy from distance. But arsenally-wise (what I mean is range of different punches your able to throw), Marquez ain't under Morales.

MY question is why did JMM chicken out of the rematch? he has no name! or marketing value and he wanted alot of money?hahhaha even his own promoter said it was ridiculous for JMM to demand that kinda money since he was not the draw. Arum I think is rooting for pacman secretly he has been praising him and stuff, Arum wants to sign pacman since pacman is leaving Murad muhammed.

Pacman has tremendous power! it seems everytime he moves up a class he takes power with him! kinda like roberto duran, he has tremendous speed and moving feints.

Morales has Heart and the warrior spirit and a sneak uppercut. But he lacks handspeed but he has alot of tricks to use, but he has to be cautious. Morales himself is not even trash talking, he said pacman is a great warrior and he respects him unlike barrera.


this will be a fight of the ages.

I cannot wait.

hey if you want to talk efficient Marquez throws a lil over 40 rounds per round and he's able to neutralize his opponents regardless of their styles. Consistant and efficient if you ask me. Can't get more efficient than a counterpuncher who hold two belts. If there's something I'd give Morales over Marquez, it's power and accuracy from distance. But arsenally-wise (what I mean is range of different punches your able to throw), Marquez ain't under Morales.

I didnt say efficient fighters, i said efficient punches. Marquez stands straight up more than Morales and it limits the variety of punches he is able to throw. You stand straight straight up and throw an uppercut, then stand like Morales, and throw one, big difference in the punching power (efficiency) of the punch. Which is why you see Morales throwing more uppercuts, hooks and shots to the body from a greater assortment of angles than you see Marquez. The range of different punches, as you put it favors Morales considerably over Marquez. And it will give Morales more openings to punish Pacquiao for any mistakes he makes.

Morales himself is not even trash talking, he said pacman is a great warrior and he respects him unlike barrera.


True.

Morales never respected MAB due to his pre fight comments.

For one, there is a divide in Mexico between the Upper and Lower class. "Cortes" and "Chiapas".

MAB---coming from an upper-class background in Mexico City...made comments about the Tijuana born Morales not having decent shoes.

A prejeduced slur produced that disrespect.

Just pointing that out.

great points from both guys but yeah i think marquez holds his own in the skills department, even with a legend like erik

listen man, any fighter can be hurt...but what im sayin is neither Barrera or Marquez have been able to hurt Pac Man...what does Morales bring to the table that those 2 didnt? please answer dat.

I guess you didn't get to see PacMan - JMM. JMM rocked PacMan for something like 10 rounds. He didn't Knock him down, but he definately hurt him.

True.

Morales never respected MAB due to his pre fight comments.

For one, there is a divide in Mexico between the Upper and Lower class. "Cortes" and "Chiapas".

MAB---coming from an upper-class background in Mexico City...made comments about the Tijuana born Morales not having decent shoes.

A prejeduced slur produced that disrespect.

Just pointing that out.

The urban legend that has MAB being "upper class" is downright hillarious.

I didnt say efficient fighters, i said efficient punches. Marquez stands straight up more than Morales and it limits the variety of punches he is able to throw. You stand straight straight up and throw an uppercut, then stand like Morales, and throw one, big difference in the punching power (efficiency) of the punch. Which is why you see Morales throwing more uppercuts, hooks and shots to the body from a greater assortment of angles than you see Marquez. The range of different punches, as you put it favors Morales considerably over Marquez. And it will give Morales more openings to punish Pacquiao for any mistakes he makes.

Just cuz a punch is more power don't mean it's more efficient. Marquez don't put (or have for that matter) as much power as Morales does for stylistic reasons. Morales would load up on a punch more than Marquez. Not always but more often. Most of JMM's punches are in counter bunches. Very seldom have I seen him throw one punch with all his power.

The urban legend that has MAB being "upper class" is downright hillarious.


:D . No pun intended at a fighter's social stature:

but MAB's upbringing was "Silver Spooned" compared to Erik's living

above a boxing gym.

I guess you didn't get to see PacMan - JMM. JMM rocked PacMan for something like 10 rounds. He didn't Knock him down, but he definately hurt him.

rocked Pac for ten rounds? A lil exageration isn't it? Pac was visibly stunned TWICE in that match, one of them he brings his hands up to say he's fine.

GO PACMAN :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

rocked Pac for ten rounds? A lil exageration isn't it? Pac was visibly stunned TWICE in that match, one of them he brings his hands up to say he's fine.

I am betting: that you are awaiting this fight more than anyone on earth Mooks.

You are a walking promotion for this fight; rightfully so.

I do not want to forget that it will air.
:)

JMM is the best counterpuncher right now,I still think morales and barrera are chickens for not fighting him, I give pacman props for being brave enough to step up to the plate.

rocked Pac for ten rounds? A lil exageration isn't it? Pac was visibly stunned TWICE in that match, one of them he brings his hands up to say he's fine.

Just a little. But JMM did rock PacMan for at least 8 rounds.

And don't put much importance on Pac bringing his hands up to says he's fine, for that very expression shows that he was, indeed, really hurt.

:D . No pun intended at a fighter's social stature:

but MAB's upbringing was "Silver Spooned" compared to Erik's living

above a boxing gym.

MAB grew up in Iztacalco, State of Mexico. Not exactly North Tijuana, but certainly not a priviledged barrio, either.

But it's funny that just because MAB called EM "indio", then everybody assumes that he's upper class, which is not the case. Not at all. But that legend helps selling tickets, you know? :D

Just cuz a punch is more power don't mean it's more efficient. Marquez don't put (or have for that matter) as much power as Morales does for stylistic reasons. Morales would load up on a punch more than Marquez. Not always but more often. Most of JMM's punches are in counter bunches. Very seldom have I seen him throw one punch with all his power.

You basically almost touched on it there, because of stylistic reasons, Morales has a greater assortment of punches than marquez. And if they land they land with more power.

Just a little. But JMM did rock PacMan for at least 8 rounds.

And don't put much importance on Pac bringing his hands up to says he's fine, for that very expression shows that he was, indeed, really hurt.

Or it could mean he was just stunned :D Cuz he went right after Marquez and the latter inteligently backed off. He counterpunched impressively for 8 rounds yeah, I had it 8-4. Pac winning due to the 3 KDs giving him a 10-6 round.

You basically almost touched on it there, because of stylistic reasons, Morales has a greater assortment of punches than marquez. And if they land they land with more power.

Nah man just cuz your leading doesn't mean that you have a greater assortment of punches in your repertoire. JMM would counter you with every punch in the book, which is also hella harder cuz he's working with a much much smaller time frame when your countering as opposed to when your initiating the combinations. IF they land yes, Morales' punches would have more power, but it's as much a question of style as physical capabilities. Morales IS stronger.

Well it's debatable to see who has a more complete set of arsenal, personally I'd like to see these two in the ring too bad we'll never see it.

I am betting: that you are awaiting this fight more than anyone on earth Mooks.

You are a walking promotion for this fight; rightfully so.

I do not want to forget that it will air.
:)

You have no idea. This is a dream match up for me even if my boy looses, I always regarded Morales as the "ultimate test" if you will. So last year when Pac drawed JMM and Morales signed the fight vs MAB I was really disappointed cuz I thought this fight would have never materialiazed. **** Arum and Murad, heck I should be promoting this fight :D

You have no idea. This is a dream match up for me even if my boy looses, I always regarded Morales as the "ultimate test" if you will. So last year when Pac drawed JMM and Morales signed the fight vs MAB I was really disappointed cuz I thought this fight would have never materialiazed. **** Arum and Murad, heck I should be promoting this fight :D

haha. I know.

you have broke this fight, Morales, and Pacman down several times.

I might add:

it is a very interesting topic.

haha. I know.

you have broke this fight, Morales, and Pacman down several times.

I might add:

it is a very interesting topic.

I've studied, analyzed, argued, pondered, dreamt,...-every single verb you can possibly do before a big fight I've done. There's just so many variables and factors to take into consideration, I just can't wait to see how everything unfolds. Best part is in 12 DAYS! Ah man it's gonna be the longest week and half :mad: ....

One thing I hope does not happen:

is Pacman storming out and shocking everyone like he did against JMM. Entering that fight, everyone knew that Pac could punch. It was shocking to me, and my friends whom I was watching the fight with..that he dominated in the early rounds like he did.

I am not doubting Morales, considering I am giving him the edge in this fight. On the other hand,

How will he weather a storm by Pacman. If he gets dropped...

will he get up?

One thing I hope does not happen:

is Pacman storming out and shocking everyone like he did against JMM. Entering that fight, everyone knew that Pac could punch. It was shocking to me, and my friends whom I was watching the fight with..that he dominated in the early rounds like he did.

I am not doubting Morales, considering I am giving him the edge in this fight. On the other hand,

How will he weather a storm by Pacman. If he gets dropped...

will he get up?


The punches Pac hit Marquez with WONT floor Morales...especially in the early parts of the fight. Later on, it'll be a different story. I think Manny will have to hit Erik with many punches and the left cross multiple times to put him down. Erik has the best chin 130 and under. He's never really been down and has never been critically hurt...all while eating some flat out bombs. If he is dropped he will get up, unless he's just flattened by some perfect punch. Erik ain't no ho...he's a beast.

Erik has the best chin 130 and under. He's never really been down and has never been critically hurt...all while eating some flat out bombs.

Im not going to argue with that.

I will say though.....JMM's chin is not glassy by any means, and Manny made it look as if.

One thing I hope does not happen:

is Pacman storming out and shocking everyone like he did against JMM. Entering that fight, everyone knew that Pac could punch. It was shocking to me, and my friends whom I was watching the fight with..that he dominated in the early rounds like he did.

I am not doubting Morales, considering I am giving him the edge in this fight. On the other hand,

How will he weather a storm by Pacman. If he gets dropped...

will he get up?

He ain't gonna bumrush Morales. You can't take out Morales that early. No WAY! Roach and Manny knows that and thast why their fight plan is for a full 12 rounds

A couple of theories why he exploded against JMM. Here's mine: To be honest, I don't think you try to take out a 2-belt champion in the 1st round. What I DID see is Marquez landing a straight right down the pipe that Pac probably felt. Right after that he unleashes the power left to give back as good as he took...except Marquez went down. So he tries to take him out off teh first round, landing consistantly with the straight left and just kept dropping Marquez. His instincts took over and he TRIED to make it a short night.

Another theory from a poster (I forget who) is that Roach knew that Marquez has teh best style against Manny and the plan was to take him out early.

Morales would get up easy. But one thing I'll tell you, if ever he gets dropped. He'll throw away the fight plan and will unload. Then you see a war. Pac needs controlled agression, Morales has the tools to take him out should he come in too carelessly. Morales can wheather the strom if he keeps Pac at range but if Pac gets inside, his faster fists would mash up Morales' face like turkey stuffing.

Another theory from a poster (I forget who) is that Roach knew that Marquez has teh best style against Manny and the plan was to take him out early.


So you do not think Roach/Pac have been working on a similar tactic to get Morales out of there quickly...

because if he does not, knowing what we learned from the JMM fight, he could give Morales the chance to dictate the fight with his Jab and uppercut....the 2 things I feel Pac should fear.

So you do not think Roach/Pac have been working on a similar tactic to get Morales out of there quickly...

because if he does not, knowing what we learned from the JMM fight, he could give Morales the chance to dictate the fight with his Jab and uppercut....the 2 things I feel Pac should fear.
Yep confused arguemnt. gues the plan WAS to take him out early. Marquez poses more of a threat to him cuz of his counterpunching style. So breaking him down would have been hella difficult. You can't land many punches if your getting countered on your first as opposed to how he handled Barrera which was systematic dismantling.
Body shots investment was key in that Barrera fight and this is actually what Roach and Manny have been working on. They've worked lowering his left straight 6 inches down, aimed right at the sternum for a killer blow (THAT would hurt...a lot...) and a right hook that Roach believes to have as much power as his left when Pac pivots correctly (huge improvement as we saw in PAc's fght vs 3k battery last december). They're preparing for 12 rounds of non stop punching.
Morales' jab would have a hard time landing. I'm not taking anything away from it but Pac's head and body movements would make him just that much harder to be jabbed. Barrera's jab was negated in his fight with Pac and Merchant even belives Barrera's jab is better than that of Morales.

Now the upperut heheh is something else. Roach acknowledged this during the press conference. They've worked on lateral movements to neutralize it. One thing I noticed in teh Morales Chavez fight, when Chavez got dropped with the wickd uppercut, he was basically standing front his own left hand blocking his view of the motion. So he got caught clean. Pac's rythm is key but if he decised to stand there, he'll eat one and that's damn sure.

Morales can dictate a fight cuz he's succesfull at making fighters fight at his own pace. He even said about a week ago, "The fighter who could dictate the pace of the fight will be the winner". Noticed that Barerra was the most successfull against their fight when he got off first. He upped the tempo from round 1 and that's what gave him the early orunds. He took rounds 7 and 8 as a breather and that's when Morales got his rythm going. Hey, it's a lot harder to punch when your getting punched :boxing:

Speed would be the deciding factor in this fight. It will dictate the pace, it will determine the winner.

But hey what do I know :hijacked:

He counterpunched impressively for 8 rounds yeah, I had it 8-4. Pac winning due to the 3 KDs giving him a 10-6 round.

Then you actually had JMM winning, like most boxing experts did. Your 8-4 in rounds, scoring the first 10-6 for Pac, gives JMM a 113-112 win over Manny:

8 (x10) 80
3 (x9) 27
1 (x6) 6

Total points JMM: 113

4 (x10) 40
8 (x9) 72

Total points PacMan: 112

Finally we agree :D

Then you actually had JMM winning, like most boxing experts did. Your 8-4 in rounds, scoring the first 10-6 for Pac, gives JMM a 113-112 win over Manny:

8 (x10) 80
3 (x9) 27
1 (x6) 6

Total points JMM: 113

4 (x10) 40
8 (x9) 72

Total points PacMan: 112

Finally we agree :D

Or was it 7-5 I forget :D Nah but seriously I had Pac winning by one point 113-112. I know I gave Pac rounds 1-2,7,9,10

The only big problem I had was Jutras card 115-110. That means he gave rounds 1 and 2 to PAc and 3-12 to Marquez. WTF was that!?!?

Or was it 7-5 I forget :D Nah but seriously I had Pac winning by one point 113-112. I know I gave Pac rounds 1-2,7,9,10

The only big problem I had was Jutras card 115-110. That means he gave rounds 1 and 2 to PAc and 3-12 to Marquez. WTF was that!?!?

I gave Manny 4 rounds and I thought I was being VERY generous.

Jutras was no worse than the one who had Manny winning 7 rounds (115 - 110) I mean, what other rounds could he possibly saw PacMan winning?

Go Pacquiao!!!

I gave Manny 4 rounds and I thought I was being VERY generous.

Jutras was no worse than the one who had Manny winning 7 rounds (115 - 110) I mean, what other rounds could he possibly saw PacMan winning?

4 is generous? You can't get serious. I gave it 7-5 and that's giving Marquez the close rounds!
bro, I'm telling you I watched the fight near ten times, paying close attention to which punches landed and missed and I have to say some of the rounds were too close. Almost impossible to pick a winner . Among them was 7,8,11, they were way too close to call. 1,2,9-10 were Pac's hands down.

How many times did you see the fight?

it's gona be a great fight, can't wait to see it. i just pray that nobody gets ****ed up

ONE-DIMENSIONAL BOXER

With the way PACMAN manhandled Barrera, I just can't believe some people still doubt his skills. He may not be invincible but to say he's a one-dimensional fighter is totally absurd. You'll see.

So he got caught clean. Pac's rythm is key but if he decised to stand there, he'll eat one and that's damn sure.


Chances of him standing there are slim to none. When roach was working on neutralizing the uppercut, what punch would Pac throw. A right hook counter?

Chances of him standing there are slim to none. When roach was working on neutralizing the uppercut, what punch would Pac throw. A right hook counter?

Yep a stiff right hook assuming of course he lands :confused:

4 is generous? You can't get serious. I gave it 7-5 and that's giving Marquez the close rounds!
bro, I'm telling you I watched the fight near ten times, paying close attention to which punches landed and missed and I have to say some of the rounds were too close. Almost impossible to pick a winner . Among them was 7,8,11, they were way too close to call. 1,2,9-10 were Pac's hands down.

How many times did you see the fight?

3 times.

Rounds 1 and 2 were obviously Pac's.
Rounds 3 - 6 were JMM's hands down
Round 7 was Pac's (very close though)
Round 8 - 9 were JMM's (though the 9th was close)
Round 10 was Pac's
Rounds 11 - 12 were JMM's

8 - 4, 113 - 112 JMM

Remember that besides looking at punches thrown and landed, there's a thing called ring generalship which you also have to take into account when scoring a fight. And JMM overwhelmed Manny in that category througout the fight.

3 times.

Rounds 1 and 2 were obviously Pac's.
Rounds 3 - 6 were JMM's hands down
Round 7 was Pac's (very close though)
Round 8 - 9 were JMM's (though the 9th was close)
Round 10 was Pac's
Rounds 11 - 12 were JMM's

8 - 4, 113 - 112 JMM

Remember that besides looking at punches thrown and landed, there's a thing called ring generalship which you also have to take into account when scoring a fight. And JMM overwhelmed Manny in that category througout the fight.

Clean punching, effective agressiveness, ring generalship and defense, yeah i know how to score. 9 was the clearest round for Manny in terms of all four of the criteria but agree to disagree I guess. Now I know how two people can view a fight differently. :cool:

Now I know how two people can view a fight differently. :cool:

Specially if you're on different sides of the fence, rooting for different protagonists! Absolutely, you'll see the fight on different perspectives! :boxing:

It's a Pick Em as everyones saying I quit argueing everyone has a point let's just wait and see who brings it. Win or Lose both will come out of this fight a champion regardless.

It's a Pick Em as everyones saying I quit argueing everyone has a point let's just wait and see who brings it. Win or Lose both will come out of this fight a champion regardless.
MUY BIEN MI AMIGO ,EL DOS KABALIEROS. VIVA!MEHICO VIVA PILIPINO!EL ULTIMO HOMBRE AMO ES GANADOR!!!![QUOTE]

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what did you say?

Now this fight puzzles me, Before I would have picked Morales easy becuz of his toughness and Pacquaio's the more vulnerable fighter....but Pacquaio has hurt Barrera (something Morales failed to do) and also gave Marquez (who i think is even more put togetha than Barrera and Morales) hell......wouldnt be surprised of Pacquaio stops Morales.
now that's how i and many others see it too.

correct, styles make fights....but who for the last 5 years have people been saying are the mirror images of each other? Barrera and Morales....who for the last 5 years have pretty much equaled each other in every aspect of the word? Barrera and Morales..........and when i compared Pac Man's performance against Barrera, i was making the point that Pac Man has brought the most disciplined of boxers in the division to the canvas, hard to believe he cant/wont do the same to Morales.
plus you could also consider Manny's consistency in knocking his opponents down and 70% KO record. i dont think EM's gonna be an excemption to that when Manny lands his devastating left straight/uppercut.

Wake up! Who has dropped Morales? Just because he dropped barrera and JMM dont mean the same ****s going to happen to Morales.
this is why this fight is gonna be exciting. coz Morales has never faught a fighter as powerful and as quick as Pacman. and Pacman never faught a fighter as durable as Morlaes. but if you'll ask me which will prevail, speed and power or durability? i think its speed and power that has the edge.

yeah he is he never does **** but throws the left.

STOP COMPARING THESE FIGHTS MORALES IS NOT BARRERA AND NOT JMM OK

different fighters

AND PACMAN IS ONE DIMENSIONAL he has yet to prove the he is not
yet to prove? i thought i heared that before his fight against MAB , and another before JMM, and now am hearing this again before EM. Pac has proven himself long before he faught JMM through the personality of the top P4P of the featherwight, legendary Barrera by KO, and has further proven it by decking JMM 3x in the first round and fight the rest of the match till 12 rounds half partially handicaped. Morales is not a measuring tool to prove Pac's worthiness. Morales is just another great fighter that Manny can use to further elevate his greatness and vice versa.

Honestly dude, I criticized Pac Man jus as u are doing...I jus knew Barrera would dismantle him inside of 5 rounds "Too aggressive, too offensive, no defense" i said about Pac Man, then about a 30 minutes after the first bell im proven wrong.......So when I heard about his fight against Marquez (who i felt is more naturally a better boxer than Barrera) I said "well, he's gonna naturally do what Barrera should have done, being so that he's been doing that his whole career and didnt recently make the transition"...then after that first round i was silenced......................Morales no doubt is the truth, but he neither offensively or defensively is that much more diffrent than the 2 guys who Pacquaio put thru hell, and yes Morales fights well hurt but just as u say Morales turns on that 2nd gear when he is hurt, Pac Man turns on his 2nd gear when he gets u hurt.

PS: When a guy knocks out a p4p champion and gives anotha one hell for a full 12 rounds....he usually isnt 1-Dimensional.
very well said. though i respect Morales' effectivenes, Pac is no Superman but deffinitely an extra ordinary fighter. he's still young and can still learn a lot more. and everytime he learns something new, he just become more and more dangerous.

honestly neither of us can sit here and say what's goign to happen because on any given day anything can happen and its going to be whoever brings there **** to the table that day that will pull it off.

Thats a honest opinion
no offense bro but i noticed that you're fond of using the **** word in most of your post. is that realy necessary? :D

lol he floored marquez 3 times and dident win.
yeah i agree. this is why outside factors like boxing politics is considered as a big factor in every match. specially at MGM Grand Las Vegas and with Bob Arum involved. that is when a deserving fighter does not get what he deserves that makes it so sad in this sport.

Morales is a more complete fighter than Marquez...Marquez can't fight going forward (take the lead) as well as Erik and is not nearly as versatile as Erik. Erik can box and set his opponent up , he can brawl, or he sit back and counterpunch when he wants to.

Erik has hurt Barrera many times in their three fights. He had Barrera hurt 3-4 times down the stretch of their third fight...and who can forget that 5th round of their first fight. He just could never quite put him down or away.
i dont think so. EM may know how to counter and he may have power and accuracy but he doesnt have the speed and patience of JMM. this is why i consider JMM as a more dangerous fighter than EM.

When I think of complete I think of being able to do everything. I can't think of the last time I saw Marquez take the lead in a fight or succeed in an all out brawl (I don't count the Pac fight). Morales knows how to attack with the jab/right and lure you into the uppercut, he can stay outside and pot-shot, he can definitely counter (7th rd. of the 3rd Barrera fight is a nice example...pristine right counter over Barreras punch), he can brawl (outside of some of his Barrera encounters).

Marquez is great at what he does, but he doesn't do enough to be viewed as the more complete fighter IMO. He's also had the luxury of doing his work against lesser competition than Morales. Some great counterpunchers in the history of the game have shown the ability to attack and break their opponent down, thus making them more of a complete fighter (ex: Toney/Hopkins/Hagler come to mind). In conclusion...Morales is a more complete fighter because I say so... :moon:
a fighter doesnt need to be complete to win a fight and to be recognized. its on how he efefctively utilizes his style. and i think JMM's is better than EM's.

JMM is the best counterpuncher right now,I still think morales and barrera are chickens for not fighting him, I give pacman props for being brave enough to step up to the plate.
that makes Pacman so different above all these 3M's.

I didnt say efficient fighters, i said efficient punches. Marquez stands straight up more than Morales and it limits the variety of punches he is able to throw. You stand straight straight up and throw an uppercut, then stand like Morales, and throw one, big difference in the punching power (efficiency) of the punch. Which is why you see Morales throwing more uppercuts, hooks and shots to the body from a greater assortment of angles than you see Marquez. The range of different punches, as you put it favors Morales considerably over Marquez. And it will give Morales more openings to punish Pacquiao for any mistakes he makes.
the problem of JMM's opponents is before they can give their combos, JMM either would hit them first with combos or block their 1st or 2nd throw so he could do his quick power combinations nutralizes his opponent's combinations. and i dont see in EM the ability to smother that.

He ain't gonna bumrush Morales. You can't take out Morales that early. No WAY! Roach and Manny knows that and thast why their fight plan is for a full 12 rounds

A couple of theories why he exploded against JMM. Here's mine: To be honest, I don't think you try to take out a 2-belt champion in the 1st round. What I DID see is Marquez landing a straight right down the pipe that Pac probably felt. Right after that he unleashes the power left to give back as good as he took...except Marquez went down. So he tries to take him out off teh first round, landing consistantly with the straight left and just kept dropping Marquez. His instincts took over and he TRIED to make it a short night.

Another theory from a poster (I forget who) is that Roach knew that Marquez has teh best style against Manny and the plan was to take him out early.

Morales would get up easy. But one thing I'll tell you, if ever he gets dropped. He'll throw away the fight plan and will unload. Then you see a war. Pac needs controlled agression, Morales has the tools to take him out should he come in too carelessly. Morales can wheather the strom if he keeps Pac at range but if Pac gets inside, his faster fists would mash up Morales' face like turkey stuffing.
you may be right when you said EM's not that easy to finish in the early rounds. but i strongly believe that Roach and Pac are planning to bring everything they can in the early rounds coz this si one of Em's weaknesses. Em is slow in the early rounds. so i dont see it impossible for EM to drop or be KO'ed in the early rounds (though i hardly think so) if Manny will be giving his best immediately.

i admit i am a big PACMAN fan but b4, and up to now, i am still and also a big fan of El Terrible. as the fight gets near, i feel that i should only support one of these great boxers. i respect and admire morales but definitely, more than just being a Filipino, my heart is for manny. it will be a tough fight. to end the fight in TKO would be my biggest wish for the man but nonetheless just the win would suffice my emptiness. i'm hoping 4 da best!!! good luck manny!

i admit i am a big PACMAN fan but b4, and up to now, i am still and also a big fan of El Terrible. as the fight gets near, i feel that i should only support one of these great boxers. i respect and admire morales but definitely, more than just being a Filipino, my heart is for manny. it will be a tough fight. to end the fight in TKO would be my biggest wish for the man but nonetheless just the win would suffice my emptiness. i'm hoping 4 da best!!! good luck manny!
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