Do you guys think Foreman would have came out with a different strategy and maybe paced himself a little better? Or perhaps Ali just had the style that would beat him every time. Lets hear it

Ali was all wrong for Foreman and would have beat him no matter what.

A lot of people just think Ali "got lucky" with the rope-a-dope tactic, but Ali was out boxing and landing shots the whole fight. Foreman could barely touch him with a clean shot.

Styles make fights.

Ali was too inside George's head

Foreman.

The only reason he won the first one is because Foreman gassed so early on when Ali used rope-a-dope. If Foreman had realised this he wouldn't of been so aggressive.

i think Foreman would have won, correct me if im wrong but wasnt he the favourite going in to the fight? and people claimed Ali was old?

nevertheless, Foreman is withouth a doubt one of the hardest hitting boxers of all time, and i just think he would have focused more on accuracy than the aggresive style he used against Ali.

While I don't agree that "Ali was too inside foremans head".foreman showed asolutely nothing post-zaire that he had improved mentally as a fighter,Ali raped foremans aura that night in africa.He bent that big bastard over and he royally screwed the aura right out of him

I've said before that I'm not big on these hypothetical matchups and all we can do is speculate.

but had Ali fought foreman in a rematch I could see that fight following a pattern to of that of forrest-Mosley 2,Where there was alot of clinching and hitting on the reak and one opponent fighting scared to death of that right hand.

It was a rather pleasant suprise to see foreman jump back into the ring and actually fight a ranked contender in Ron Lyle.


Ken Norton was owed his title shot no doubt and after that fight Ali should have just pissed off out of sight instead of getting damn near killed by Earnie Shavers and losing to jokers like Leon Spinks

Foreman was a "head case" for atleast a year after getting KO'd by Ali.

He was in shock and denial.He was depressed and in despair.He couldn't believe or accept that he not only got beat,but got KNOCKED OUT.That blew his mind.

He was making every excuse known to man kind.The ropes were to loose.The heat got to him.He got a fast count.He was drugged etc. etc. He was in no shape to fight Ali mentally or physcially right after there 1st fight.

Ali would have beaten George even worse if they would have fought right away after the 1st fight.George was fat and out of shape,and not training.But MENTALLY he was even worse.

Can't picture George beatin Ali.

foreman would of one easily,foreman had the first fight won and then he got careless,if foreman fought ali the way foreman fought in his comeback years he would win by 15 decision,ali had a good chin and would of been hard to knockout:boxing:

foreman would of one easily,foreman had the first fight won and then he got careless,if foreman fought ali the way foreman fought in his comeback years he would win by 15 decision,ali had a good chin and would of been hard to knockout:boxing:

No offense, but did you even watch the fight?

Ali won almost every single round with ease and was clearly winning the fight. It was a boxing lesson.

Ali was landing clear, hard shots and Foreman was barely connecting with anything.

Foreman was a "head case" for atleast a year after getting KO'd by Ali.

He was in shock and denial.He was depressed and in despair.He couldn't believe or accept that he not only got beat,but got KNOCKED OUT.That blew his mind.

He was making every excuse known to man kind.The ropes were to loose.The heat got to him.He got a fast count.He was drugged etc. etc. He was in no shape to fight Ali mentally or physcially right after there 1st fight.

Ali would have beaten George even worse if they would have fought right away after the 1st fight.George was fat and out of shape,and not training.But MENTALLY he was even worse.

Read the above.I was 18 years old when they fought,and Foreman was a "head case" for a year following the fight.He was SHOCKED and in deep despair,and mentally unfit.Ali would have beaten him even worse if they would have fought again right away.

I say Foreman. I'm sure he's not THAT dumb to walk into Ali's traps after it happened to him the first time. I just don't see it happening twice.

I say Foreman. I'm sure he's not THAT dumb to walk into Ali's traps after it happened to him the first time. I just don't see it happening twice.

The next fight Ali would have been dancing,and easily win a UD

The 1st fight Ali could not dance because they were fighting in a 16 foot ring! The canvas was also padded with soft padding,not enabling Ali to dance like he wanted to.

Most championship fights the ring is 20-24 feet,but they fought in a 16 foot ring and Ali could not dance.In a rematch as Ali is the champion I'm sure it would have been a 24 foot ring!! And Ali would have been able to dance and out box George from the center of the ring.

No offense, but did you even watch the fight?

Ali won almost every single round with ease and was clearly winning the fight. It was a boxing lesson.

Ali was landing clear, hard shots and Foreman was barely connecting with anything.yes i have viewed the fight and i stand by my comment,foreman is far more the better all round boxer,foreman in my opinion probably the best heavyweight all time:boxing:

yes i have viewed the fight and i stand by my comment,foreman is far more the better all round boxer,foreman in my opinion probably the best heavyweight all time:boxing:

Did you just say Foreman was an all around better boxer than Muhammad Ali?

Maybe you were being sarcastic...I hope.:wtf1:

i kinda see foremans style almost like sonny listons...big, heavy hitter, really no style except to bash your head in as hard as they can.. and look what happen to liston...sure some may think the "phantom punch", liston threw the fight and couldve gotten back up..but the fact is he knew that if he got back up ali wouldve been all in his face dancing circles around him..and it wouldve just happened again with foreman....so Ali for the win..

Did you just say Foreman was an all around better boxer than Muhammad Ali?

Maybe you were being sarcastic...I hope.:wtf1:no i was not kidding ali just had better foot work than foreman,foreman had the better jab,the stronger punches,foreman lost that fight because he was not in it,i know that is no excuse but foreman is just a lot better than ali:boxing:

no i was not kidding ali just had better foot work than foreman,foreman had the better jab,the stronger punches,foreman lost that fight because he was not in it,i know that is no excuse but foreman is just a lot better than ali:boxing:

Does Forman have better hand speed? Is Forman the smarter fighter? Does Forman have a better chin? Does Forman have better stamina? Does Forman have better reflexes? Does Forman have better foot speed?

Does Forman have better hand speed? Is Forman the smarter fighter? Does Forman have a better chin? Does Forman have better stamina? Does Forman have better reflexes? Does Forman have better foot speed? ali has better hand speed,foreman is the smarter fighterforeman has a better chin,foreman has better stamina,foreman and ali have the same reflexes,and ali has better foot speed,i have it scored 3 for foreman 2 for ali and 1 even:boxing:

ali has better hand speed,foreman is the smarter fighterforeman has a better chin,foreman has better stamina,foreman and ali have the same reflexes,and ali has better foot speed,i have it scored 3 for foreman 2 for ali and 1 even:boxing:

You have just lost the "little" credibility that you had.

Please go play games some where else.

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I dont like Ali at all, but the same thing woulda happened...

ali has better hand speed,foreman is the smarter fighterforeman has a better chin,foreman has better stamina,foreman and ali have the same reflexes,and ali has better foot speed,i have it scored 3 for foreman 2 for ali and 1 even:boxing:

Dude, we all respect peoples' opinions here, but come on...get real.

I don't think any respectable boxing fan could read your aforementioned statement with a straight face lol.

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I actually think Foreman would because he would be so hungry for revenge that he would just go wild in the ring. Ali would have to yield to that pressure. Nobody's chin would be good enough against a berserker Foreman.

Dude, we all respect peoples' opinions here, but come on...get real.

I don't think any respectable boxing fan could read your aforementioned statement with a straight face lol.

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I actually think Foreman would because he would be so hungry for revenge that he would just go wild in the ring. Ali would have to yield to that pressure. Nobody's chin would be good enough against a berserker Foreman.

That's certainly an interesting theory...however, the consensus is that he kind of went "wild" the first time, hence why he tired himself out.

That's certainly an interesting theory...however, the consensus is that he kind of went "wild" the first time, hence why he tired himself out.

Well, he'd be less "enthusiastic" in the beginning. He'd just attack and then wait for Ali to get off the ropes. Then Ali wouldn't have a choice, unless he wanted to get dqd. George once said that he made a mistake by following Ali around and that he shoulda let Ali come to him, because HE was the champion, not Ali. Reasonable theory, wouldnt you say?:D

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Teddy??:rofl:

Ali could take George's punchers. No one else could. Ali had one of the greatest chins of all times, and out boxed george rather easily that night. Same outcome. And if George tried to slow his pace down so that he wouldn't tire he would get outboxed even more clearly and KOed.

you make a good point but if they would of fought 10 times foreman would of won 9,look at these fighters that they both fought,george chuvalo ali went the full fifteen rounds with the granite chin canadian,foreman tkoed him,frazier beat ali,foreman annahilated frazier,ken norton beat ali,foreman pummeled him,even though ali got revenge against frazier and norton

you make a good point but if they would of fought 10 times foreman would of won 9,look at these fighters that they both fought,george chuvalo ali went the full fifteen rounds with the granite chin canadian,foreman tkoed him,frazier beat ali,foreman annahilated frazier,ken norton beat ali,foreman pummeled him,even though ali got revenge against frazier and norton

No disrespect, but your logic is severely flawed. Every true boxing fan knows that styles make fights. Just because Foreman KOd people faster than Ali did means absoluely nothing as far as who's better.

Foreman beats Ali 9 out 0f 10 times? As most people will say, Ali's style was perfect for beating Foreman. Very little would have changed after the first fight, other than Foreman being smarter. He would still get outboxed.

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from or what your objective is with this thread. You come on here with claims that Foreman is faster than Ali, quicker reflexes, a better boxer, a smarter fighter and a better chin than Ali and you expect to be taken seriously? I like Foreman, but you need to be a bit more objective.

Also, look up the definition of "run-on sentence.":op:

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Shut this baby down.

Ali was all wrong for Foreman and would have beat him no matter what.

A lot of people just think Ali "got lucky" with the rope-a-dope tactic, but Ali was out boxing and landing shots the whole fight. Foreman could barely touch him with a clean shot.

Styles make fights.

I agree. Ali was whoopin his ass the whole fight. Foreman wasn't landing many clean shots, as you said. I made a similar thread in here a while back but I've recently re-watched the bout and I don't see how Foreman could beat Ali. I just don't see it.

you make a good point but if they would of fought 10 times foreman would of won 9,look at these fighters that they both fought,george chuvalo ali went the full fifteen rounds with the granite chin canadian,foreman tkoed him,frazier beat ali,foreman annahilated frazier,ken norton beat ali,foreman pummeled him,even though ali got revenge against frazier and norton

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Knowledgeable boxing fans don't subscribe to the triangle theory, and you clearly are. You can't be serious with this logic? Fighter A beats fighter B and fighter B beats fighter C. Does this mean fighter A automatically beats fighter C? No, it doesn't and it's been proven false time and time again.

Ali would've won
I'm not saying that Foreman isn't strong
infact he is
he is one of the strongest and greatest boxers of all times
but Ali was fast
Ali was able to take Foreman's punches and punch him back
my opinion is that Ali would win over Foreman again and again and again

I always wonder why there never was a rematch between the two.

Because Ali never wanted one,Pretty simple to understand really.Foreman was in the running for a title shot ater he raped Frazier for the second time but perhaps Ali knew his limits at this stage.

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