Vitali's steroid use (http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=2123&more=1)

I am not pointing fingers at anyone, and I am unsure whether or not I condone steroid use:

but I have heard some derogatory things about steroid use, coming from people who support Vitali Klitschko.

he is a POSTER BOY for steroid use. He even admitted it.

Obviously I cannot send a link from ********boxing.com

Does this harm his credibility?

To simply say that he is a poster boy for steroid use doesn't really do justice to what supposedly happened. Supposedly, he took steroids unknowingly from his trainer to help him recuperate from an injury. That cost him his place in the olympics, if memory serves. According to him and his corner, he had never used them before that incident and hasn't since, but if it came to light that he was still using them, I would surely be one of the first ones off his bandwagon lol

Vitali's steroid use (http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=2123&more=1)

I am not pointing fingers at anyone, and I am unsure whether or not I condone steroid use:

but I have heard some derogatory things about steroid use, coming from people who support Vitali Klitschko.

he is a POSTER BOY for steroid use. He even admitted it.

Obviously I cannot send a link from ********boxing.com

Does this harm his credibility?
His credibility can't be harmed if it hasn't alreasy been established. 3 straight victories over 3 flabby un-skilled fighters doesn't make you champion. A victory over Rahman will help to establish a little credibility, but unification is the only way to gain respect on this side of the Atlantic.

As for the 'roids, take the reports with a grain of salt. Everyone in the Northern California knows that the San Francisco Chronicle is tabloid nonsense, but ESPN continues to use their articles concerning the BALCO investigation as if the statements are factual.

I'm sure that The Klitschko brothers have dabbled in 'roids and supplements, but I'm also pretty certain that both guys train hard and haven't been breaking the rules since their arrival to the states.

- SacTown1

He already takes enough heat because of being a white rock'em sock'em robot, but for him to be one on steroids would just be too much lol

To simply say that he is a poster boy for steroid use doesn't really do justice to what supposedly happened. Supposedly, he took steroids unknowingly from his trainer to help him recuperate from an injury. That cost him his place in the olympics, if memory serves. According to him and his corner, he had never used them before that incident and hasn't since, but if it came to light that he was still using them, I would surely be one of the first ones off his bandwagon lol

First off:

I will find another link regarding this story..only problem is its compatability with this forum.

Regardless of him using it for therapeutics, he still used them. Canseco claims that he injected BigMac with steroids.......for what "purpose" we dont know. Perhaps BigMac was having a lower-back problem.......I seriously doubt it. I am not pointing fingers at Vitali, considering he did that himself.

He already takes enough heat because of being a white rock'em sock'em robot, but for him to be one on steroids would just be too much lol

There is no secret.

Vitali Klitschko Admitted to using steroids.

and was disqualified from the olympics because of it.

i thought vitali took doctor perscribed medical steriods to recover from leg injuries in a kick boxing fight?

steroid half life in the body (http://www.steroidtips.com/detection.htm)

I am unsure as to which steriod class Vitali used.

If he sustained a "leg injury" why would he be competing in the olympics?

Did elapsed therapy time overlap the Olympics?

If so, this would explain why he tested positive.

If not, this means he used steroids in preparation for fights.

Well, you can not simply speculate on fact of using steroids by Vitaly Klitschko, although its usage was pretty common in former USSR. Without solid facts dont blame him on this subject or add "in my opinion".

steroid half life in the body (http://www.steroidtips.com/detection.htm)

I am unsure as to which steriod class Vitali used.

If he sustained a "leg injury" why would he be competing in the olympics?

Did elapsed therapy time overlap the Olympics?

If so, this would explain why he tested positive.

If not, this means he used steroids in preparation for fights.

i didnt even know vitlai was an olyimpian, and i dunno at what time he tested and such all i know is that the doc gave them to him cause of a leg injury

Well, you can not simply speculate on fact of using steroids by Vitaly Klitschko, although its usage was pretty common in former USSR. Without solid facts dont blame him on this subject or add "in my opinion".


He admitted it.

search on the internet, or read his autobiography.

There is nothing "controversial" about anything I am saying.

especially when you point the finger at yourself.

i didnt even know vitlai was an olyimpian, and i dunno at what time he tested and such all i know is that the doc gave them to him cause of a leg injury


Steroid use claims by Williams (http://www.capetimes.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2338647&fSectionId=1454&fSetId=520)

ya it says it there doctor was treating him from a injury from kickboxing if the doctor gives u it u know i dont see how it can be cheating but then again i guess it is? i dunno there are tons of diff steriods but he has been clean since then he also started his pro career in 1996.

ya it says it there doctor was treating him from a injury from kickboxing if the doctor gives u it u know i dont see how it can be cheating but then again i guess it is? i dunno there are tons of diff steriods but he has been clean since then he also started his pro career in 1996.

Apparently, it has been a while since he quit against Byrd.

People still think of him as "quitali".

Or how about Roid Jones:

http://www.*************.net/news/stories/61774588.php

Or how about Roid Jones:

http://www.*************.net/news/stories/61774588.php

If people were hanging on RJJ's ballsack like they are VK.
RJJ would deserve this kind of media attention. He is pretty much out of the fight game though.
:boxing:

i thought vitali took doctor perscribed medical steriods to recover from leg injuries in a kick boxing fight?


...This is old news and it was prescribed by a doctor and not a true steroid but it turned up on the banned list. It didn't mean **** and he never used it again. He is not and never was a juicer. This topic has been done a million times around here. Find somehthing new to talk about or maybe try and come up with an original thought.

He admitted it.

search on the internet, or read his autobiography.

There is nothing "controversial" about anything I am saying.

especially when you point the finger at yourself.


...He admits it because it was totally unintentional and he had nothing to hide. Nothing more and nothing less. Why do you think Wlad always tested clean? Those guys train together and do the same nutritional stuff. If Vitali knowlingly took steroids then Wlad would have been sure to follow his older brothers lead. He didn't because it never happened the way you would like to portray it. Vitali took something the doctor prescribed and it was a complete accident and a one time deal. End of story!!!!!

There is no secret.

Vitali Klitschko Admitted to using steroids.

and was disqualified from the olympics because of it.


I know it isn't a secret that he used them in the Olympics, that's what I meant when I said it cost him his place there. I'm just saying that he takes enough heat already, IMO partly because of his skin color, and mostly because of his clumsy style, and if it came to light that he was a consistent user of steroids now, as opposed to his use being a one time incident which is the story to the best of my knowledge, then I would certainly never try to defend that. But if what he says is true, then I would let him slide.

His credibility can't be harmed if it hasn't alreasy been established. unification is the only way to gain respect on this side of the Atlantic.

Just curious, If unification is the only way to gain respect, what did you think of Lennox Lewis dupming the IBF and WBA belts?

Vitali's steroid use (http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=2123&more=1)

I am not pointing fingers at anyone, and I am unsure whether or not I condone steroid use:

but I have heard some derogatory things about steroid use, coming from people who support Vitali Klitschko.

he is a POSTER BOY for steroid use. He even admitted it.

Obviously I cannot send a link from ********boxing.com

Does this harm his credibility?

You submit a one-sided story like this with the hidden intent of causing trouble.

Congratulations.

If you had read the entire story, you would see that what Vitali admitted was that they were given to him during the olympics AND HE WAS UNAWARE OF WHAT THEY WERE GIVING HIM. HE HAD NO INTENTION OF USING THEM. THEY WERE GIVEN TO HIM WITHOUT HIS KNOWELEDGE.

Stop trying to cause trouble.

I'm just saying that he takes enough heat already, IMO partly because of his skin color

I could really care less if he used steroids or not.

My point is, if Shane Mosley openly admitted using steroids, or Fernando Vargas admitted it, they would be shunned by the media.

Somehow....I think you are right about the "skin color" thing.

I just dont think he has taken ANY heat for it.

I had to take steroids as eye drops for an eye injury once, would that count as cheating?

I think that there is a difference between using steroids to enhance your performance and using it as a healing agent.

His credibility can't be harmed if it hasn't alreasy been established. 3 straight victories over 3 flabby un-skilled fighters doesn't make you champion. A victory over Rahman will help to establish a little credibility, but unification is the only way to gain respect on this side of the Atlantic.

As for the 'roids, take the reports with a grain of salt. Everyone in the Northern California knows that the San Francisco Chronicle is tabloid nonsense, but ESPN continues to use their articles concerning the BALCO investigation as if the statements are factual.

I'm sure that The Klitschko brothers have dabbled in 'roids and supplements, but I'm also pretty certain that both guys train hard and haven't been breaking the rules since their arrival to the states.

- SacTown1


You can also extend that quote to say that other professional boxers are just as likely to have (especially heavyweights, David Tua, anyone?) used them as well.

You submit a one-sided story like this with the hidden intent of causing trouble.

Congratulations.

If you had read the entire story, you would see that what Vitali admitted was that they were given to him during the olympics AND HE WAS UNAWARE OF WHAT THEY WERE GIVING HIM. HE HAD NO INTENTION OF USING THEM. THEY WERE GIVEN TO HIM WITHOUT HIS KNOWELEDGE.

Stop trying to cause trouble.

Barry Bonds' defense against steroid allegations was very similar to your "caps-lock" fury.

How could I be causing trouble, when I am merely speculating on his KNOWN steroid use.

I hate to break the news to you. Your boy used Roids.

Apparently, it has been a while since he quit against Byrd.

People still think of him as "quitali".


Really? What people? You are the first one I have heard use that term.

I had to take steroids as eye drops for an eye injury once, would that count as cheating?

I think that there is a difference between using steroids to enhance your performance and using it as a healing agent.

I could care less if he "cheated".

I am more interested in the principal of the matter.

Why does he recieve the benefit of the doubt; regarding his use.

Why has the media circled Vargas and not Vitali. Thats all.

I cant remember a time when any boxing announcer discussed this

matter. It seems like a conspiracy to me.

Barry Bonds' defense against steroid allegations was very similar to your "caps-lock" fury.

How could I be causing trouble, when I am merely speculating on his KNOWN steroid use.

I hate to break the news to you. Your boy used Roids.


Because you say things like "He is the poster boy for steroid use" or some such nonsense. You already have your mind made up, and just want to spread that opinion in the thinly veiled guise of false objectivity.

If you go to the doctor and he gives you somethign, you trust him to give you the right thing. If he did not, you would not be at fault, now would you?

Incidentally, the "caps lock fury" was for your benefit, as you apparently have a hard time hearing, or digesting actual logic, I thought I would make it easy for you.

I could care less if he "cheated".

I am more interested in the principal of the matter.

Why does he recieve the benefit of the doubt; regarding his use.

Why has the media circled Vargas and not Vitali. Thats all.

I cant remember a time when any boxing announcer discussed this

matter. It seems like a conspiracy to me.

Don't forget Mayweather. They jumped him, too. And they were wrong. You should know better than to do anything more than take what the media says with a grain of salt.

Hey Gran Torino,

Why the name Gran Torino?

Hey Gran Torino,

Why the name Gran Torino?

I named it after my favorite car. Got it just after graduation. It was a 72 Gran Torino Sport with a 351Cleveland (thats the engine). She was my baby till a drunk plowed into her. But life goes on, you know?

I named it after my favorite car. Got it just after graduation. It was a 72 Gran Torino Sport with a 351Cleveland (thats the engine). She was my baby till a drunk plowed into her. But life goes on, you know?

Sad to here it, I had a 73 Sport (351 C)fastback in college, and recently sold a 74 Gran Torino W/Starski and Hutch body code

Vitali's steroid use (http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=2123&more=1)

I am not pointing fingers at anyone, and I am unsure whether or not I condone steroid use:

but I have heard some derogatory things about steroid use, coming from people who support Vitali Klitschko.

he is a POSTER BOY for steroid use. He even admitted it.

Obviously I cannot send a link from ********boxing.com

Does this harm his credibility?

There was one incident, which cost him his spot at the Olympics. He said that the drug was taken unknowningly. The guy is not an idiot, although even an idiot would have the common sense not to take a supplement to increase his performance for an event that he knows he'll be banned from once he test positive for it. You're not suggesting that an elite amateur athelete coming up in an amateur system of the former Soviet Union didn't expect drug testing prior to any qualification event?

You're not suggesting that an elite amateur athelete coming up in an amateur system of the former Soviet Union didn't expect drug testing prior to any qualification event?

absolutely not. I am suggesting, that he might have been misinformed by his trainer, as to the half life of the drug in his system. Vitali is a sports/nutrition science doctorate;

however I question his understanding of Steroidial effects.

I also am trying understand why he recieved little or no media attention following this incident. Vargas was bombarded with allegations, while Vitali admitted to taking a substance.

i'm a vitali k fan, but if i ever found out for certain that he was taking steroids i'd loose all respect for him. you're supposed to be the champ based on how good of a boxer you are, not how good of a chemist your trainer is...

that being said it sounds like there isn't any real evidence at this point.

"His credibility can't be harmed if it hasn't alreasy been established. 3 straight victories over 3 flabby un-skilled fighters doesn't make you champion."

I don't think Sanders is un-skilled, he is too old right now and don't have the stamina for 12 rough rounds, that why he lost. Also the 3 straight victories was impressive and ended by knockdowns. There is no other HW right now who have so impressive last 3 fights.

"A victory over Rahman will help to establish a little credibility, but unification is the only way to gain respect on this side of the Atlantic"

Rhaman is nothing special over the guys VK fought before.
Unification gives an credibility everywhere in the World. Why do you think that "this side of the Atlantic" is the bellybutton of the World?

> that being said it sounds like there isn't any real evidence at this point

So if there is no eveidence (there a people over there who already check this after each fight) then stop throwing the trash on him.

runwkives is just a vitali hater trying to get peopel to flame him so he can call them vitali nuthuggers

runwkives is just a vitali hater trying to get peopel to flame him so he can call them vitali nuthuggers

For one:

You are an idiot.

you never read my posts, you assume too many things.

If you would read them, you will see that I like Vitali

I also like to make fun of his clumsy ass.