rocky juarez is over rated IMO. he still hasn't taken on any top 15 gyz. all these gyz are like 33-7, he needs to take on sum good gyz. against raheem, he KD in the 2nd, but the 3 point deudctions were dum, and most thought that the scorecards were pretty in accurate as it is. A rematch of that would be nice. or for juraez to take on a contendor.

lol, I had a feeling that last nights vicious one round knock out just wouldnt be enough for some people! He's in line for a title next...will that help? I like the guy alot, he has loads of potential and I really expected last night to be a much tougher test for him! I sure didnt expect him to floor the guy 3 times and get the stoppage in the first round! :eek: Good for you Rocky!

I don't know about Rocky,I mean I see that he has potential, but remember he struggled really badly against another prospect Zahir Raheem and even with the hometown ref, I thought he lost that fight!

Time will tell with Juarez...

I don't know about Rocky,I mean I see that he has potential, but remember he struggled really badly against another prospect Zahir Raheem and even with the hometown ref, I thought he lost that fight!

Time will tell with Juarez...

thats true, but remember, for every fighter, there will be another fighter that has a certain style that will give them fits! For Jones it was Tarver, and for Mosley it was Forrest, and for DLH it's Mosley, etc...the list goes on and on. Hopefully that was what the deal was in Rockys fight against Raheem. I do wish they'd fight a rematch and we could possibly find out if that was the deal or not. But, giving Rocky full credit, he has gone on since then in impressive fashion, with impressive stoppages. He's still young with plenty of time to improve too! ;)

i personally also feels that he lost the fight against raheem. he hasn't faced real opposition yet

I also feel that he lost to Raheem. That ref was just rediculous.

i personally also feels that he lost the fight against raheem. he hasn't faced real opposition yet

Give him some time Riz.....you cant blame his management for being careful ;) Hopefully after the title fight he's got coming up he'll step it up in opposition. It worried me last night when they said that Juan Diaz would be fighting Ebo Elder. The guy isnt a great boxer (Elder) but he's a tough one and not so easy to dispose of. (I brought him up cause they are similar in my mind..Juarez and Diaz, both being Texas boys, etc.)

thats true, but remember, for every fighter, there will be another fighter that has a certain style that will give them fits! For Jones it was Tarver, and for Mosley it was Forrest, and for DLH it's Mosley, etc...the list goes on and on. Hopefully that was what the deal was in Rockys fight against Raheem. I do wish they'd fight a rematch and we could possibly find out if that was the deal or not. But, giving Rocky full credit, he has gone on since then in impressive fashion, with impressive stoppages. He's still young with plenty of time to improve too! ;)

Thats a postive way of looking at it! And your right he is still young, only 24, and your right every fighter has that certain nemsis, that offsets their own style.

Its just that everytime you see a prospect struggle you immediately think, "well he wasn't as good as we thought." I think its a natural reaction to say that.

I was really high on Rocky before the Raheem fight, but maybe he just had an off night against a tough opponent.However I do wanna see him step up soon, so that we can be sure how good this kid really is!

Thats a postive way of looking at it! And your right he is still young, only 24, and your right every fighter has that certain nemsis, that offsets their own style.

Its just that everytime you see a prospect struggle you immediately think, "well he wasn't as good as we thought." I think its a natural reaction to say that.

I was really high on Rocky before the Raheem fight, but maybe he just had an off night against a tough opponent.However I do wanna see him step up soon, so that we can be sure how good this kid really is!

That guy in your avatar, might be suspected of homosexual tendencies. All five feet eight inches of him.

For Jones it was Tarver, and for Mosley it was Forrest,

Not really. Roy did beat Tarver after all in the first fight, and that was the worst he's ever looked. He also was old when he fought Tarver. Everyone knows a prime Roy would have beaten Tarver much more decisvely.

Forrest totally dominated Mosley.

Two different things.

As for Juarez, he definitely lost vs Raheem.

Ah man that's gonna be a good fight vs Chi.

Ah man that's gonna be a good fight vs Chi.

Yup I stil remember the Chi fighting Morales...that was a krazi fight, but what fight w/out Morales isn't lok'd out!

Juarez-Chi...SD going to NEW champ Juarez.

I dont think Chi has the speed of Z.Raheem to frustrate Rocky. Plus Chi has those huge ass calfs I think he's going to be looking to go to war and test the youngsta. Hopefully there are a few knockdowns on both sides. PPV fight?

Not really. Roy did beat Tarver after all in the first fight, and that was the worst he's ever looked. He also was old when he fought Tarver. Everyone knows a prime Roy would have beaten Tarver much more decisvely.

Forrest totally dominated Mosley.

Two different things.

As for Juarez, he definitely lost vs Raheem.

I have to disagree. Jones, at best, eeked out a draw in the first fight, and every boxing magazine I subscribe to all said the same thing; that Jones had finally met someone who's style was a problem for him, and that his ego would be his downfall by fighting the rematch. Thats word for word what Ring and many others said after that first bout. And its amusing that nobody thought or said that Jones was 'old' until Tarver beat him. I still think Tarver's style was the problem for Jones, and would have been regardless of when they fought. Just my opinion, of course :)

I don't know about Rocky,I mean I see that he has potential, but remember he struggled really badly against another prospect Zahir Raheem and even with the hometown ref, I thought he lost that fight!

Time will tell with Juarez...

I had Juarez winning that fight with the point deductions and the knockdown. In my opinion the ref didn't do any favors to Raheem by taking away the points but he did do him a favor by taking away Rocky's inside fighting by breaking them up so quick. If Rocky had been allowed to fighting on the inside I think he would of stopped Raheem later in the fight.

rocky juarez is over rated IMO. he still hasn't taken on any top 15 gyz. all these gyz are like 33-7, he needs to take on sum good gyz. against raheem, he KD in the 2nd, but the 3 point deudctions were dum, and most thought that the scorecards were pretty in accurate as it is. A rematch of that would be nice. or for juraez to take on a contendor.


at least he's exciting.

That guy in your avatar, might be suspected of homosexual tendencies. All five feet eight inches of him.

WTF are you talking about?

Nobody really knows if Juarez is overrated rated or not up to this point. But his next bout will surely does. The tough Korean is Juarez's key to the top. If he get's past Chi, then Juarez is definitely ready for the big boys namely Pacquiao, Marquez, Barrera, Harrison, etc.

And its amusing that nobody thought or said that Jones was 'old' until Tarver beat him. I still think Tarver's style was the problem for Jones, and would have been regardless of when they fought. Just my opinion, of course :)

always have loved your opinion, though I think you bring up Jones in about every post, j/k.

I actually said jones had gotten old DURING Jones-Tarver I. I mean the guy just laid on the ropes half the time. Jones hasnt got his legs anymore. I havnt watched the Johnson fight again, but I think itd be fun to time how long he spent OFF the ropes.

always have loved your opinion, though I think you bring up Jones in about every post, j/k.

I actually said jones had gotten old DURING Jones-Tarver I. I mean the guy just laid on the ropes half the time. Jones hasnt got his legs anymore. I havnt watched the Johnson fight again, but I think itd be fun to time how long he spent OFF the ropes.

You love my opinion? :eek: Wow, thats news to me buddy cause I seem to remember months ago you telling me how much you couldnt stand me! :D I know I'm not confusing you with any of my other "fans" cause you have a unique user name (dear God, you hated me!!!)
Believe it or not, I dont intend to bring Jones up all the time, and didnt realize that I did til you pointed it out. I'll work on that some, ok.
I didnt see your post about him being old, etc...so I'll take your word for it :)

And its amusing that nobody thought or said that Jones was 'old' until Tarver beat him. I still think Tarver's style was the problem for Jones, and would have been regardless of when they fought. Just my opinion, of course

Tarver's style gave problems to Roy when Roy was 34/35. This Roy has dramatacially less footwork than the young Roy, and that's the main difference.

I have my own polls on ********** (they HATE Roy for the most part) and 80% thought Roy won the 1st fight.

Plenty of people thought Roy was slowing down, even since the Woods fight...but they also thought that he was able to get away with it at that point.

2.5 years later, after losing muscle to come back to lightheavy, he wasn't able to get away with it. Roy is only human after all, but fighting him at 35 and fighting him at 25 are two totally different things.

Problems or not, prime vs prime, I doubt 20% of anyone on this site would pick Tarver to win.

Tarver's style gave problems to Roy when Roy was 34/35. This Roy has dramatacially less footwork than the young Roy, and that's the main difference.

I have my own polls on ********** (they HATE Roy for the most part) and 80% thought Roy won the 1st fight.

Plenty of people thought Roy was slowing down, even since the Woods fight...but they also thought that he was able to get away with it at that point.

2.5 years later, after losing muscle to come back to lightheavy, he wasn't able to get away with it. Roy is only human after all, but fighting him at 35 and fighting him at 25 are two totally different things.

Problems or not, prime vs prime, I doubt 20% of anyone on this site would pick Tarver to win.

I'll never forget my first post here and all the negative feedback it got! I said that Jones's name won him that fight, a fight that deserved a draw at best. I'm just one of these that dont see him (or never did) as 'super human' and/or the best thing that ever happened to the sport. He fought alot of deadbeats and was never really tested (his chin) so we'll never know how well he would hold up under good, solid, flush punches. I can admit that he was a great fighter..just not the best I ever saw.

rocky juarez is over rated IMO. he still hasn't taken on any top 15 gyz. all these gyz are like 33-7, he needs to take on sum good gyz. against raheem, he KD in the 2nd, but the 3 point deudctions were dum, and most thought that the scorecards were pretty in accurate as it is. A rematch of that would be nice. or for juraez to take on a contendor.

Yea, i though raheem won the fight. But Juarez is constantly getting impressive, especially last night.

Hate Him!!!!!!

Hate Him!!!!!!

Why on earth do you hate him? :eek: He's a real decent, stand up type of guy...has real class, and the sport is in a severe shortage of those types of personalities. The more "good guys" the sport can get the better!

Hate Him!!!!!!

What reason would there be to hate a guy like Juarez? I mean the guy doesn't talk **** about his opponents and comes across as a nice person so why would you hate him? If it's the fight against Raheem then that's really not his fault. The blame should go on the ref and Raheem himself for making the same mistake over and over.

Rocky Juarez ain't overrated.

You know, given his youth & relative lack of experience, I'll give him a pass on the Raheem fight. The ref ****ed that fight ALL up, and Raheem's dirt wasn't helping either. Don't stigmatize the kid because he fought a competent fighter who knew ow to take him off his game. Give 'em a rematch, with a different venue & referee, and Juarez wins.

Juarez is an impressive prospect, but I don't think he has the experience to beat a tough customer like Chi. He didn't even beat Z. Raheem. If he can pull off an upset and beat Chi, he has to give Raheem a rematch

man i didn't mean like as a person, i meant as a boxer from a fan's perspective.
eg. i hate barrera the boxer, doesn't mean i wish he dies or anything
im jus sayin he hasn't fought legit contendors, and hes not going to last. give him chi or sumin and he'll lose
guaranteed

"hate barrera the boxer"

You are my new best friend & confidant. :D

Seriously, though, give Juarez a little break. No one had a perfect upcoming. NO, I don't think he can beat Injin Chi right now, but truthfully, I don't think he'll beat him two years from now either. Chi's too rough & hard for him. It's not about experience, just styles. Chi is too much for anyone at 126 not named Pacquiao or Marquez.

man i didn't mean like as a person, i meant as a boxer from a fan's perspective.
eg. i hate barrera the boxer, doesn't mean i wish he dies or anything
im jus sayin he hasn't fought legit contendors, and hes not going to last. give him chi or sumin and he'll lose
guaranteed

I think Chi is the perfect opponent for Juarez and I think he will beat Chi. Even if he beats Chi I have a feeling everybody saying he will lose will say that Chi was made for Juarez which I think he is.

Yeah, Raheem basically kept Juarez off him in the opening rounds, until he got tired, But i think Juarez is more mature.

"hate barrera the boxer"

You are my new best friend & confidant. :D

Seriously, though, give Juarez a little break. No one had a perfect upcoming. NO, I don't think he can beat Injin Chi right now, but truthfully, I don't think he'll beat him two years from now either. Chi's too rough & hard for him. It's not about experience, just styles. Chi is too much for anyone at 126 not named Pacquiao or Marquez.

Chi is tough but he's nothing more than a straight foward banger. Juarez is more than a banger and I think he will beat him. You say stylewise Chi will beat Juarez but Chi's style matches up perfectly for Juarez style to beat. He will be there in front of him all night. If any style will give Juarez trouble it will be movers with a long reach who know how to use it.

Sure, Chi has a style that Juarez could LOOK GOOD AGAINST, but Juarez' bread & butter, his punch, would be wasted on Chi. Chi is straight-ahead, but he's also a busybody who happens to have a good punch himself. It'd be a damned good fight, to say the least, but I can see Chi just bearing down on Juarez & KO'ing him late.

I think Chi is the perfect opponent for Juarez and I think he will beat Chi. Even if he beats Chi I have a feeling everybody saying he will lose will say that Chi was made for Juarez which I think he is.


Sad, but true! Very good point ;) Most fighters take it 'safe' when theyre still young ...which Rocky is. Why rush him into taking a stupid fight..as in a fight that's not right for him at this moment? What's the hurry? :confused: Give him time to grow and improve, just like most boxers do.

Sad, but true! Very good point ;) Most fighters take it 'safe' when theyre still young ...which Rocky is. Why rush him into taking a stupid fight..as in a fight that's not right for him at this moment? What's the hurry? :confused: Give him time to grow and improve, just like most boxers do.
i dont wannna wait!!!
i want my next boxing superstar nowwwwww
why do we have to wait????
i want the next big thing now!!!!!!!
:bottle:

i dont wannna wait!!!
i want my next boxing superstar nowwwwww
why do we have to wait????
i want the next big thing now!!!!!!!
:bottle:

Jeff Lacy, Miguel Cotto, Calvin Brock, Samuel Peter, Jermain Taylor, Kermit Cintron....plenty of young guys on the verge of being superstars right now.

Jeff Lacy, Miguel Cotto, Calvin Brock, Samuel Peter, Jermain Taylor, Kermit Cintron....plenty of young guys on the verge of being superstars right now.

think Juan Diaz has a place in there too?? I do!

Jeff Lacy, Miguel Cotto, Calvin Brock, Samuel Peter, Jermain Taylor, Kermit Cintron....plenty of young guys on the verge of being superstars right now.
without a doubt
and just like juarez
they all seem to be taken their time
which is good
but lim just sayin its hard to wait for all them to finally fight the top guys so they can stake their claim

im a big juarez fan myself and i dont think that he lost that fight to raheem. imao raheem has a style that is difficult for rocky because he is very fast & a good counter puncher. i remember hearing in the pre fight that they had fought before as ametuers and raheem beat him then. i think he has that style that will give rocky problems every time they fight