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GroundSt.Pound
09-06-2009, 07:08 PM
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42380&d=1252271560

This definitely a great way to improve your striking.

Is there anyone in this sport more dedicated than this kid?

Jesus. He should be banned from getting better. It's just not fair to the other WW's.

LOL

We want Floyd
09-06-2009, 11:18 PM
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42380&d=1252271560

This definitely a great way to improve your striking.

Is there anyone in this sport more dedicated than this kid?

Jesus. He should be banned from getting better. It's just not fair to the other WW's.

LOLP4P the Dutch fighters are generally not as athletic or technical as their Thai counterparts, although there have been a few who are up to par with the Thai's best.

I don't know man, I just love how the Thais do it. I'd rather train with the Thais, but that's just me.

Can anyone tell me, that there are current Dutch/European fighters that are as smooth as the likes of Saenchai and Buakaw?

GroundSt.Pound
09-06-2009, 11:43 PM
P4P the Dutch fighters are generally not as athletic or technical as their Thai counterparts, although there have been a few who are up to par with the Thai's best.

I don't know man, I just love how the Thais do it. I'd rather train with the Thais, but that's just me.

Can anyone tell me, that there are current Dutch/European fighters that are as smooth as the likes of Saenchai and Buakaw?

Maybe not as smooth as Buakaw but a large percentage of the best strikers in the world come out of Holland.

Hoost, Manheof, Aerts, Dekker, Souwer, Spong, Bojasky, Schilt, etc

JMM-PAC
09-06-2009, 11:47 PM
****in hell dude, any chance you could stop kissing GSP's ass. your comments are really bad ass kissing comments

Is there anyone in this sport more dedicated than this kid?
Jesus. He should be banned from getting better. It's just not fair to the other WW's.

dude get a grip! you ass kisser!

We want Floyd
09-06-2009, 11:50 PM
Maybe not as smooth as Buakaw but a large percentage of the best strikers in the world come out of Holland.

Hoost, Manheof, Aerts, Dekker, Souwer, Spong, Bojasky, Schilt, etcPsst, dude none of those guys w/ the exception of Dekker are as smooth as Thailand's best.

Alot of those guys don't even come close as far being technical fighters if you put 'em against the Thais master technicians.

They're the best at the heavier weightclass. But P4P Thais are still generally the best!!

GroundSt.Pound
09-07-2009, 12:17 AM
****in hell dude, any chance you could stop kissing GSP's ass. your comments are really bad ass kissing comments



dude get a grip! you ass kisser!

Is there something wrong with admiring a fighter I enjoy watching or commenting on his work ethic?

Kiss my ass

Move BRICKS™
09-07-2009, 12:19 AM
Psst, dude none of those guys w/ the exception of Dekker are as smooth as Thailand's best.

Alot of those guys don't even come close as far being technical fighters if you put 'em against the Thais master technicians.

They're the best at the heavier weightclass. But P4P Thais are still generally the best!!

Have Saenchai and Buakaw won more K1 titles than Holland/Dutch boys? Nope. Bonjasky is a Netherlands Muay Thai boxer and he has plenty more K1 titles than Saenchai(0) and Buakaw(3) combined. Same with Ernesto Hoost. K1 is the best kickboxing organization in the world. To win a title there means more than any Thai tournament. K1 is the cream of the crop, why on Earth would you train with the guys who hold a combined three titles when you can train with Jerome Le Banner, who alone has had 3 K1 Titles and is always in the final four in tournaments?

I wouldn't pass up an opportunity to train with those guys - Fedor doesn't.

We want Floyd
09-07-2009, 12:28 AM
Have Saenchai and Buakaw won more K1 titles than Holland/Dutch boys? Nope. Bonjasky is a Netherlands Muay Thai boxer and he has plenty more titles than Saenchai and Buakaw combined. Same with Ernesto Hoost.

I wouldn't pass up an opportunity to train with those guys - Fedor doesn't.Umm, first off, there's no division for Saenchai to fight in, in K-1.

I guess Saenchai could really beef up and fight at K-1 MAX, sh*t Zambidis is short as it is and Saenchai is like 5'3-5'5 max and obviously his bone structure is that of a small dude.

Second, the Dutch don't have to worry about competing with Thais in the HW in K-1. You gonna tell me those K-1 HW is on par with the athleticism and skills as the K-1 MAX fighters?

Souwer is good for the rules he fights in. But, Buakaw is overrall the better athlete.

And no, I'm not saying that the Dutch are sh*t, no , not at all. But, there's nothing and I mean nothing compared to the f**kin' Thais. It's their f**kin' sport for chrissakes.

Thais over the Dutch, and it ain't even up for debate. Ya don't know Muay Thai if you even think the Dutch are better than the Thais.

Move BRICKS™
09-07-2009, 12:34 AM
Umm, first off, there's no division for Saenchai to fight in, in K-1.

I guess Saenchai could really beef up and fight at K-1 MAX, sh*t Zambidis is short as it is and Saenchai is like 5'3-5'5 max and obviously his bone structure is that of a small dude.

Second, the Dutch don't have to worry about competing with Thais in the HW in K-1. You gonna tell me those K-1 HW is on par with the athleticism and skills as the K-1 MAX fighters?

Souwer is good for the rules he fights in. But, Buakaw is overrall the better athlete.

And no, I'm not saying that the Dutch are sh*t, no , not at all. But, there's nothing and I mean nothing compared to the f**kin' Thais. It's their f**kin' sport for chrissakes.

Thais over the Dutch, and it ain't even up for debate. Ya don't know Muay Thai if you even think the Dutch are better than the Thais.

Tiger Woods beats white folks at golf, it doesn't matter dude. Put the level of competition on display instead of talking size and strength. These K1 guys have been fighting the top competition in the world forever. Especially for a more gritty and applicable type of striking structure, these big Holland/Dutch dudes are going to be able to apply striking better to MMA ten fold than pure Thai fighters. You can't hit someone with an elbow on the crown of the head in MMA.

We want Floyd
09-07-2009, 01:38 AM
Tiger Woods beats white folks at golf, it doesn't matter dude. Put the level of competition on display instead of talking size and strength. These K1 guys have been fighting the top competition in the world forever. Especially for a more gritty and applicable type of striking structure, these big Holland/Dutch dudes are going to be able to apply striking better to MMA ten fold than pure Thai fighters. You can't hit someone with an elbow on the crown of the head in MMA.Your right, race or ethnic group doesn't play a role. But, the Thais have been doin' it for thousands of years and how long have the Dutch been doin' it, lol

K-1 guys fighting the top competition in the world, that's HW. I simply don't see how those K-1 Heavies are even on par with the top Thai fighters P4P.

"able to apply striking better to MMA ten fold than pure Thai fighters" Psst, ask the folks that have been on the receiving end of Silva's knees, it all started with the Muay Thai plum.

You wanna know what seperates the Thais from the rest of the Muay Thai fighters outside of Thailand. The clinch game!! Not even Dekkers had a sic clinch game!

Move BRICKS™
09-07-2009, 02:36 AM
Your right, race or ethnic group doesn't play a role. But, the Thais have been doin' it for thousands of years and how long have the Dutch been doin' it, lol

K-1 guys fighting the top competition in the world, that's HW. I simply don't see how those K-1 Heavies are even on par with the top Thai fighters P4P.

"able to apply striking better to MMA ten fold than pure Thai fighters" Psst, ask the folks that have been on the receiving end of Silva's knees, it all started with the Muay Thai plum.

You wanna know what seperates the Thais from the rest of the Muay Thai fighters outside of Thailand. The clinch game!! Not even Dekkers had a sic clinch game!

Compare Muay Thai clinch specialists in MMA to dirty boxing/kickboxing specialists? It's more applicable to MMA is what I'm saying. The way JLB fights is more applicable to MMA, it's a great investment for GSP.

We want Floyd
09-07-2009, 03:50 AM
Compare Muay Thai clinch specialists in MMA to dirty boxing/kickboxing specialists? It's more applicable to MMA is what I'm saying. The way JLB fights is more applicable to MMA, it's a great investment for GSP.Haha, dude, WTF.

Dude, define for me "dirty boxing". All it is, is being able to execute moves that are considered illegal in boxing, ie using the shoulder to bump your opponent and grabbing one limb and striking with the other, that's dirty boxing. Muay Thai clinch is a whole new art all in itself, it's basically stand-up grappling, it's got multiple moves. A whole practice session is devoted to it.

What is exactly more applicable in MMA? Any manuever is applicable in MMA, as long as it's not gouging someone's eye out, hitting your opponent's testicles(you wouldn't have to worry about it).

The reason why "dirty boxing" seems more applicable to your eyes is because it's alot easier to execute it. Muay Thai clinching is more sophisticated than simply bumping someone's face with your shoulder.

And, not too many MMAers even know how to properly clinch. It's simply not taught enough or the trainers themselves are crap. You don't see it enough in the UFC, doesn't mean it's not as effective!! That's why when someone like Silva or Brandon Vera executes it. Alot of fighters in the UFC simply don't know how to counter it.

polybus
09-07-2009, 07:15 AM
We want Floyd is a joke
thai stick ant even the best unless you get it else where

Slimey Limey
09-07-2009, 10:18 AM
Your right, race or ethnic group doesn't play a role. But, the Thais have been doin' it for thousands of years and how long have the Dutch been doin' it, lol

K-1 guys fighting the top competition in the world, that's HW. I simply don't see how those K-1 Heavies are even on par with the top Thai fighters P4P.

"able to apply striking better to MMA ten fold than pure Thai fighters" Psst, ask the folks that have been on the receiving end of Silva's knees, it all started with the Muay Thai plum.

You wanna know what seperates the Thais from the rest of the Muay Thai fighters outside of Thailand. The clinch game!! Not even Dekkers had a sic clinch game!

I do wonder how these MT lads are able to throw people around so easily(Watch any earlier Buakaw matches). It's like they're better at it than Judoka.

Lucky Charms
09-07-2009, 12:22 PM
****in hell dude, any chance you could stop kissing GSP's ass. your comments are really bad ass kissing comments



dude get a grip! you ass kisser!

Eh, it's just a man crush. Completely heterosexual.

We want Floyd
09-07-2009, 02:43 PM
I do wonder how these MT lads are able to throw people around so easily(Watch any earlier Buakaw matches). It's like they're better at it than Judoka.That's what I've been trying to point out to Move Sh*t, err Bricks.

I'm glad you brought it up. When I said that the Thais are so much "smoother". A great example of it, is when they simply dump their opponents on the ground and make it look so effortless.

The Dutch/Euro fighters in general are not like the Thais, they do it through sheer strength, the Thais have perfected their techniques.

How often have I seen it, when Skysports or some other foreign sports channel is showing Muay Thai bouts between smaller Thai fighters against a bigger Euro or Dutch fighter and the little Thai's are just tossin' em around w/o exerting much force. I see all the time.

The fluidity of the Thais compared to the Dutch, they're simply not on the same level in general!

The Dutch maybe the next best thing outside of Thailand, but, they're a distant second compared to the overall fighting skills/athletic ability of the Thais. For chr*ssakes, the Thais start at around the age of 8 years old.

Junito-Rulez
09-07-2009, 04:24 PM
In Muay Thai it's:
1) Thailand
2) Netherlands
3) France

European have lesser clinch games than Thai guys. Thai perfected their techniques but lack size and pure strength.

I've been very impressed with some MT guys from France like Farid Vuillaume, Samir Mohamed or Farid Khider. French are very underrated IMO.

Move BRICKS™
09-07-2009, 04:31 PM
That's what I've been trying to point out to Move Sh*t, err Bricks.

I'm glad you brought it up. When I said that the Thais are so much "smoother". A great example of it, is when they simply dump their opponents on the ground and make it look so effortless.

The Dutch/Euro fighters in general are not like the Thais, they do it through sheer strength, the Thais have perfected their techniques.

How often have I seen it, when Skysports or some other foreign sports channel is showing Muay Thai bouts between smaller Thai fighters against a bigger Euro or Dutch fighter and the little Thai's are just tossin' em around w/o exerting much force. I see all the time.

The fluidity of the Thais compared to the Dutch, they're simply not on the same level in general!

The Dutch maybe the next best thing outside of Thailand, but, they're a distant second compared to the overall fighting skills/athletic ability of the Thais. For chr*ssakes, the Thais start at around the age of 8 years old.

I'm done here, you are a retard.

Pork Chop
09-09-2009, 05:38 PM
I dunno man, some of the guys I think deserve to be in the same sentence as the Thais:
Petrosyan, Souwer, Liam Harrison, JWP, Farid Villaume... there are others

Petrosyan's recent win streak is RIDICULOUS.
Souwer's style isn't that pretty, but it's effective.

The rest have major wins in Thailand.

I don't know that I put LeBanner in that lot though.
best fighter to never win a K1 WGP
I like him but his style's got some holes

Left2theliver
09-09-2009, 09:35 PM
Dutch, thai in the end it's still great muay thai. Different styles as well, you'll benefit either way but i do think that training in holland might actually be better for the MMA game than in thailand.


Anuwat, Yodsanklai, Buakaw, Souwer, Kyshenko, Aerts, JLB, Hoost, Bojansky...all ****ing amazing athletes and fighters. Shiiiit I'd train with any of them anyday of the week.

Naps
09-09-2009, 09:41 PM
In any discipline there are good people from any country in the world. It's like saying only the Brazillians can do BJJ.

The Dutch have an incredible history of fighters over the last 10 years, as do the Thai's, the Yanks, the French etc.

How anyone can judge a fighter on nationality frankly amazes me.

Naps
09-09-2009, 09:47 PM
The Dutch maybe the next best thing outside of Thailand, but, they're a distant second compared to the overall fighting skills/athletic ability of the Thais. For chr*ssakes, the Thais start at around the age of 8 years old.

I have a picture of me stood next to a Thai fighter when I went on holiday there a bit back. Don't get me wrong, he is a superior fighter to me, but just by the picture, you could NEVER say that he would "throw me around"

However, I agree with what you say about their technical skill, they learn the form from an age where us westerners start learning how to add 4+8 sums. I just feel that physically they suffer, they don't have the natural beef for any kind of fighting that involves strength, such as MMA, or a Muay fight where the ref allows a bit of rough stuff.

We want Floyd
09-10-2009, 01:19 AM
I have a picture of me stood next to a Thai fighter when I went on holiday there a bit back. Don't get me wrong, he is a superior fighter to me, but just by the picture, you could NEVER say that he would "throw me around"

However, I agree with what you say about their technical skill, they learn the form from an age where us westerners start learning how to add 4+8 sums. I just feel that physically they suffer, they don't have the natural beef for any kind of fighting that involves strength, such as MMA, or a Muay fight where the ref allows a bit of rough stuff.To an extent I agree.

Re: the not having "natural beef", could it be that the SE Asian diet does not have enough protein? I mean, you look at the Asians that grew up in America, their height is about the same as their SE Asian countrymen, however, they seem beefier.

Alot of times, when you see the Thais, get manhandled against the Euro's, I don't think it's a matter of the Euro's being naturally stronger, it's because the Thais are having to move up in weightclass.

How many times have I seen top-flight Muay Thai fighters, who you use to fight in the 126-135lbs weightclass in Thailand and when they fly over to the Netherlands, the same 135lber is having to face a 150-160lbs Dutch fighter, ya dig.

Naps
09-10-2009, 01:44 AM
To an extent I agree.

Re: the not having "natural beef", could it be that the SE Asian diet does not have enough protein? I mean, you look at the Asians that grew up in America, their height is about the same as their SE Asian countrymen, however, they seem beefier.

Alot of times, when you see the Thais, get manhandled against the Euro's, I don't think it's a matter of the Euro's being naturally stronger, it's because the Thais are having to move up in weightclass.

How many times have I seen top-flight Muay Thai fighters, who you use to fight in the 126-135lbs weightclass in Thailand and when they fly over to the Netherlands, the same 135lber is having to face a 150-160lbs Dutch fighter, ya dig.

Yeah, I agree with that. Often weight get forgotten, but at the end of the day, with Thais, you are (usually) only a true heavyweight if you are fat.

Here is a picture of me when I was pretty light, about 190 (I'm nearer 220 now), and I'm being trained by the biggest guy in the gym, and probably one of the biggest guys I saw while I was there.

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.nettos-ak-snc1/v1973/48/59/516534670/n516534670_1221819_7750.jpg

Make your own opinion, but I think it shows how as a race they are not as big. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming I could woop that guy, one good leg kick and he could break my bones... but someone of my size, as well trained as that guy will win everytime. Think about it.

We want Floyd
09-10-2009, 01:56 AM
Yeah, I agree with that. Often weight get forgotten, but at the end of the day, with Thais, you are (usually) only a true heavyweight if you are fat.

Here is a picture of me when I was pretty light, about 190 (I'm nearer 220 now), and I'm being trained by the biggest guy in the gym, and probably one of the biggest guys I saw while I was there.

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1973/48/59/516534670/n516534670_1221819_7750.jpg

Make your own opinion, but I think it shows how as a race they are not as big. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming I could woop that guy, one good leg kick and he could break my bones... but someone of my size, as well trained as that guy will win everytime. Think about it.That's what I've been saying the whole time, duh.

What did I say, that when the Thais go to the Netherlands, they're usually outsized! So, I don't know if it's a question of the Euros being stronger, but more of a size advantage, well, yes, they're being outmuscled as well, because they're going against naturally bigger guys.

P4P my $$$$ still on the Thais.

BTW, I went to Thailand years ago, but the peeps I traveled with could careless about Muay Thai, therefore I didn't get to do the whole Muay Thai thing.

How does the Thai training differ from our training. I mean, I know they say it's "watered down", but what exactly is watered down, I'm asking what specifically is the difference in their training routine vs ours. thanks

BigMacFoster
09-10-2009, 01:01 PM
Two glass jawed fighters,Oh well,I like Le banner,Always been a fan despite him consistently failing to step up when it mattered most,He and his legitimate knockout power has always been a joy to watch and he's not a coward like Georges St Pierre is

Why is St Pierre training striking anyway? He should stick to what he always does,Taking down smaller opponents and grinding them out into decisions

The guy is a wrestler with a glass jaw who fights like a easter bunny,One solid shot on that china chin and he will crumble,Mark my words

The guy was terrified when a tired worn out Thiago Alves had him on his back,Like a deer caught in headlights,The guy just isn't a natural born real fighter,He doesn't have the fighters heart and he doesn't have the fighters instinct and even his fanboys know he doesn't have heart


He's afraid to go out and finish a fight in fear of giving up a position and leaving himself open,The moment Jon fitch showed any capabilities in his striking Georges St Pierre immediately took him to the ground

The man had to wear out a lightweight before having the guts to stand toe to toe with him,When Penn could barely lift his arms

The man is no fighter,He's just a wrestler with a glass jaw and the day he meets an opponent who can defend his takedowns then he is truly f*cked

GroundSt.Pound
09-10-2009, 01:40 PM
Two glass jawed fighters,Oh well,I like Le banner,Always been a fan despite him consistently failing to step up when it mattered most,He and his legitimate knockout power has always been a joy to watch and he's not a coward like Georges St Pierre is

Why is St Pierre training striking anyway? He should stick to what he always does,Taking down smaller opponents and grinding them out into decisions

The guy is a wrestler with a glass jaw who fights like a easter bunny,One solid shot on that china chin and he will crumble,Mark my words

The guy was terrified when a tired worn out Thiago Alves had him on his back,Like a deer caught in headlights,The guy just isn't a natural born real fighter,He doesn't have the fighters heart and he doesn't have the fighters instinct and even his fanboys know he doesn't have heart


He's afraid to go out and finish a fight in fear of giving up a position and leaving himself open,The moment Jon fitch showed any capabilities in his striking Georges St Pierre immediately took him to the ground

The man had to wear out a lightweight before having the guts to stand toe to toe with him,When Penn could barely lift his arms

The man is no fighter,He's just a wrestler with a glass jaw and the day he meets an opponent who can defend his takedowns then he is truly f*cked

Anyone who gets clipped in the back of the head will drop. That doesn't mean he has a glass jaw.

Nobody @ WW can defend his TD's. You Fail there.

And yeah, he was so afriad of Fitch's stand-up prowess. He dropped Fitch like 5 times.

Damn St. Pierre for doing what works for him. ****ing Idiot

But who am I kidding. You're an troll poster anyway

Pork Chop
09-10-2009, 02:04 PM
....

How does the Thai training differ from our training. I mean, I know they say it's "watered down", but what exactly is watered down, I'm asking what specifically is the difference in their training routine vs ours. thanks

Thai training goes something like:
wake up and do running before 7am, usually 30 min to an hour (5 to 10km)
train for 2 hours in the morning session: jump rope, shadow, bag, pads, technique & clinch

break for shower, lunch, nap

in the evening, do a second session (some camps don't do the run)
2 hours of jump rope, shadow, bag, pads, technique & clinch

The training just seems to go on for ever
-their shadow is relaxed
-heavybag, they tend to throw single shots for minutes on end - not quite as high intensity bag work as you'll see out of the dutch or even americans
-pad work, they have the best pad holders in the game, lots of defense & reaction mixed in, some trainers go for "beautiful boxing" (throwing single techniques going for perfect form, speed, & power), other's mix it up more
-clinch work is where they shine, they spend about 10x the amount of time doing clinch work as non Thais. they do it from a very young age and they have a lot of tricks to take advantage of leverage & mess up your balance


my buddy goes to thailand every year, he's a big boy like me, with over a decade of experience, and he gets thrown all over the place in the clinch

my coach who comes to visit half the year throws all of us around in training, some guys even bigger than me, in the mid 200s; when he fought he was around 135


as far as the thais going and getting beaten by bigger europeans, that was kinda my point. the guys i listed have beaten thais in their own weight class. Souwer has a win over Yodsenklai for cryin out loud - saw that fight and it was not a robbery like some will claim. Farid has a draw against Yod!

I also don't think 7 pounds is *that* huge a deal to be giving up. I mean Orono Wor Petchpun (new orono) has had most of his success around 130 and 140, lost a few times to Saenchai (1-3 against him), has got 3-2 against Singdam, but has a knee-TKO victory against Yodsenklai like half a year before Yod won both the Thai & WBC titles at 154lbs.


EDIT: Naps - that gym looks familiar, but not like a Bangkok gym. Phuket? Koh Samui?

BigMacFoster
09-10-2009, 02:45 PM
Anyone who gets clipped in the back of the head will drop. That doesn't mean he has a glass jaw.

Nobody @ WW can defend his TD's. You Fail there.

And yeah, he was so afriad of Fitch's stand-up prowess. He dropped Fitch like 5 times.

Damn St. Pierre for doing what works for him. ****ing Idiot

But who am I kidding. You're an troll poster anyway


Yes it does,Some can take a punch and others can't,He took one solid punch and did the chicken dance and tapped out.

I said the moment someone does deend his takedowns,He is f*cked,You could see the terror in his face when Alves was able to get back to his feet,because he knows that they are getting closer and closer to solving his takedowns

fitch in brief moments threw shots to the body,Which troubled St Pierre and at which point St Pierre instantly took him down

But who am I kidding. You're a St Pierre fanboy anyway

We want Floyd
09-10-2009, 11:48 PM
Thai training goes something like:
wake up and do running before 7am, usually 30 min to an hour (5 to 10km)
train for 2 hours in the morning session: jump rope, shadow, bag, pads, technique & clinch

break for shower, lunch, nap

in the evening, do a second session (some camps don't do the run)
2 hours of jump rope, shadow, bag, pads, technique & clinch

The training just seems to go on for ever
-their shadow is relaxed
-heavybag, they tend to throw single shots for minutes on end - not quite as high intensity bag work as you'll see out of the dutch or even americans
-pad work, they have the best pad holders in the game, lots of defense & reaction mixed in, some trainers go for "beautiful boxing" (throwing single techniques going for perfect form, speed, & power), other's mix it up more
-clinch work is where they shine, they spend about 10x the amount of time doing clinch work as non Thais. they do it from a very young age and they have a lot of tricks to take advantage of leverage & mess up your balance


my buddy goes to thailand every year, he's a big boy like me, with over a decade of experience, and he gets thrown all over the place in the clinch

my coach who comes to visit half the year throws all of us around in training, some guys even bigger than me, in the mid 200s; when he fought he was around 135


as far as the thais going and getting beaten by bigger europeans, that was kinda my point. the guys i listed have beaten thais in their own weight class. Souwer has a win over Yodsenklai for cryin out loud - saw that fight and it was not a robbery like some will claim. Farid has a draw against Yod!

I also don't think 7 pounds is *that* huge a deal to be giving up. I mean Orono Wor Petchpun (new orono) has had most of his success around 130 and 140, lost a few times to Saenchai (1-3 against him), has got 3-2 against Singdam, but has a knee-TKO victory against Yodsenklai like half a year before Yod won both the Thai & WBC titles at 154lbs.


EDIT: Naps - that gym looks familiar, but not like a Bangkok gym. Phuket? Koh Samui?Thanks for the info.

But, I figured that their training sessions would pretty much be a full day for the Thais, they're afterall pro-fighters! Maybe I phrased the question wrong. How about this, In general, is their training philosophy different from the American Muay thai trainers(not including the Thais that came over from Thailand)

Pork Chop
09-11-2009, 12:15 PM
Thanks for the info.

But, I figured that their training sessions would pretty much be a full day for the Thais, they're afterall pro-fighters! Maybe I phrased the question wrong. How about this, In general, is their training philosophy different from the American Muay thai trainers(not including the Thais that came over from Thailand)

The thai theory on training is the "slow burn" theory.

They start from a young age, they work out twice a day (for up to 6 hours total), 5 days a week - may not seem like much, but it really adds up when you're talking 30 hours of training a week. They have the best trainers & pad holders in the game, so the technique is flawless.

They also have careers with 300 fights. They don't spar that hard in the gym very often, because they're fighting every 2 to 3 weeks.
There's no amateur program, so they jump straight into pro, but everyone else does too.

They get to learn their craft through so many fights - it's also easier because they have a very relaxed outlook on fighting, it's more about composure & technique than going sloppy & bawlz out.

A lot of their training I wouldn't say is as intense/high speed (ie burnout training) as our's or the Dutch, partly because they don't have the time limitations that we have.

A few of the Thai coaches I've met are reluctant to spend a lot of time to perfect your form. For example, they'd rather give you one detail and then come back to fix something else only after another thousand repetitions of the kick; instead of correcting your form every step of the way.

I've had some American coaches who wouldn't let you go a single rep if it's not perfect. Definitely a different philosophy. Of course the "beautiful boxing" trainers who stress technique over intensity are more likely to fix flaws in your technique, but they still require a high number of repetitions.

Still Pimpin
09-13-2009, 11:22 PM
GSP's the WW king. He'll be fine as long as he stays far away from MW, that includes Hendo, Marqette, and the true p4p beast in the world A.Silva.

No need to worry he doesn't have the balls to step up to the MW plate.