View Full Version : Can you do the shoulder role


Bobby Shaw
09-04-2009, 02:50 AM
How many of you guys can do the shoulder role

Alexandros
09-04-2009, 05:42 AM
u need to spell it right 1st :D

Chr0nic
09-04-2009, 07:36 AM
easy as pie, no lie

mrboxer
09-04-2009, 10:06 AM
shoulder role is not necessary it is on its way out:boxing:

supRa
09-04-2009, 05:50 PM
why would u wanna make u self look like a jackass?

Shambleton
09-04-2009, 05:56 PM
It's not a difficult skill to learn.

''The Man''
09-04-2009, 05:58 PM
It's not a difficult skill to learn.

Yes it is...............It takes alot of practise and you have to try and use it alot in sparring to get comfortable with it. Floyd Mayweather has mastered it.

Archie Moore invented it

Danster0507
09-04-2009, 06:05 PM
Afraid not, it doesn't really fit in with my style to be honest, everytime I've tried it I've just got nailed in the face lol

''The Man''
09-04-2009, 06:08 PM
Afraid not, it doesn't really fit in with my style to be honest, everytime I've tried it I've just got nailed in the face lol

James Toney said when he first started doing he was getting battered, practis makes perfect.

Mundine has a underrated shoulder role.

JoHnNyBoXeR
09-04-2009, 06:20 PM
Afraid not, it doesn't really fit in with my style to be honest, everytime I've tried it I've just got nailed in the face lol

what he said

*Jean_Pierre*
09-04-2009, 09:16 PM
I can roll one shoulder forwards and the other backwards at the same time which I practice while shadow boxing on the trampoline.

RightHooker
09-04-2009, 09:36 PM
Usually when I try it, it works, but I'm no good countering off of it so I don't use it much.

Junito-Rulez
09-04-2009, 09:42 PM
Yes i do it's a big part of my game. I watch a lot of tapes of Moore, Toney and Mayweather and i practice it in training and shadow boxing.

It's not easy to learn. It takes time and hard work.

fraidycat
09-05-2009, 12:28 PM
Are you talking about the Dempsey Roll or the Philly Shell? I've heard both called the "shoulder roll." The Dempsey roll is tough, you move in a figure-8 and throw hooks on the upswing, IIRC. I imagine you'd eat a lot of leather getting it right.

I'm a southpaw, so the Philly Shell is a bad idea for me.

Akucapri
09-05-2009, 03:54 PM
Yea I do it all the time and I'm southpaw

record 0-42


/jk

Danster0507
09-05-2009, 04:01 PM
James Toney said when he first started doing he was getting battered, practis makes perfect.

Mundine has a underrated shoulder role.

haha yeah I suppose, I'm told my style is similar to Cotto's so I don't really use the shoulder roll, I've been watching a lot of tapes of Cotto recently to see what aspects of his game I can use in my own

fraidycat
09-05-2009, 09:21 PM
Yea I do it all the time and I'm southpaw

record 0-42


/jk

There was an old schtick that Sammy Davis Jr. used to do on the Dean Martin show. He pretended to be a boxer named "Kid Palomino." He used to say, "I have a perfect record. 0 and 42, all by knockout."

BrooklynBomber
09-05-2009, 09:24 PM
You mean "roll", right? I mean I am not sure that pretending to be a shoulder such a good thing in boxing.

fraidycat
09-05-2009, 09:37 PM
You mean "roll", right? I mean I am not sure that pretending to be a shoulder such a good thing in boxing.

Whoa. An etymological *****slap. Good to see ya, Bomber.

Doctor_Tenma
09-05-2009, 09:39 PM
Usually when I try it, it works, but I'm no good countering off of it so I don't use it much.

Great great point, I can do the shoulder roll but countering off of it is the hard part.

BrooklynBomber
09-05-2009, 09:49 PM
Whoa. An etymological *****slap. Good to see ya, Bomber.

I was glad seeing your name once again in the "last post" section of training and nutrition. I been shot up lately though, there is so much advice(especially on the countering off the shoulder roll) I could give, but lately people dont know the basics right and they already wanna do a mayweather.

Oh, and, did you build your house yet?

fraidycat
09-05-2009, 09:52 PM
I was glad seeing your name once again in the "last post" section of training and nutrition. I been shot up lately though, there is so much advice(especially on the countering off the shoulder roll) I could give, but lately people dont know the basics right and they already wanna do a mayweather.

Oh, and, did you build your house yet?

Ended up buying a huge old barn on Puget Sound and renovating it. The market tanked so hard while I was waiting for my permits to go through that I was able to buy this place and pimp it cheaper -- and faster -- than building.

No **** about people not knowing the basics and wanting to be pros. This forum has become like Special Ed.

BrooklynBomber
09-05-2009, 09:58 PM
Ended up buying a huge old barn on Puget Sound and renovating it. The market tanked so hard while I was waiting for my permits to go through that I was able to buy this place and pimp it cheaper -- and faster -- than building.

No **** about people not knowing the basics and wanting to be pros. This forum has become like Special Ed.

I am glad you got the house. I bet you built a small boxing gym there too.


Anyway, you got me in a good mood and for the kids here not knowing the shoulder roll I will tell this, do not try to do it unless you have a perfect balance, good coordination and above average footwork. A right maneuvre consists of a sidestep, a duck to the side, a cover with a shoulder and then you push of with a foot that you sidestepped with to counter. All this has to be done synergetically, in a right order and very very fast. If you do it wrong you fall off balance and get a nice hole in your defense that even a paraplegic can get an advantage of.

fraidycat
09-05-2009, 10:30 PM
I am glad you got the house. I bet you built a small boxing gym there too.


You know me too well. Weight bench, 20' climbing rope in a tree outside, heavy bag, slip bag, & chinup/dip station, plus I've got a full cord of maple still to split and my little skiff which I row a couple times a week (it's crabbing season, gotta check those pots!) And I got a Goddamn badass dog for a running partner, a 120-lb. American Bulldog.

/hijack

BrooklynBomber
09-05-2009, 10:54 PM
You know me too well. Weight bench, 20' climbing rope in a tree outside, heavy bag, slip bag, & chinup/dip station, plus I've got a full cord of maple still to split and my little skiff which I row a couple times a week (it's crabbing season, gotta check those pots!) And I got a Goddamn badass dog for a running partner, a 120-lb. American Bulldog.

/hijack

Thats heavier then majority of training and nutrition regular posters.

fraidycat
09-05-2009, 11:13 PM
Thats heavier then majority of training and nutrition regular posters.

Okay, THAT's funny.

I'd hate to fight him, that's for damn sure.

BrooklynBomber
09-05-2009, 11:55 PM
Okay, THAT's funny.

I'd hate to fight him, that's for damn sure.

I remember, when I had my dog(arab bred doberman) if the bastard wanted to take me down, he just needed enough space to ref up that speed and he would usually get me down with that sideliner jump, And that bastard was only about 100 pounds at most. Now a healthy 120 pound bully is like a cannonball there, and he does not even need space to put up good speed number on you. Yeah, I love dogs, all right.

fraidycat
09-06-2009, 12:46 AM
I remember, when I had my dog(arab bred doberman) if the bastard wanted to take me down, he just needed enough space to ref up that speed and he would usually get me down with that sideliner jump, And that bastard was only about 100 pounds at most. Now a healthy 120 pound bully is like a cannonball there, and he does not even need space to put up good speed number on you. Yeah, I love dogs, all right.

Dobies are great. Tor is not that bright but he's suicidally devoted and he has simple commands down, even under duress. He just finished Advanced Personal Protection training where he was trained to drive, corner, and pin. He will not engage with teeth unless the perp fights back or one of us gives him the command.

Imagine this guy sitting on your chest, in the freezing rain, waiting for my wife or me to come outside with a Glock and see what all the screaming is about:

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l346/joeythesaint08/100_2363.jpg

And BTW, that's a 26" collar that's so tight around his neck. :headbang:

Chr0nic
09-06-2009, 04:45 AM
I am glad you got the house. I bet you built a small boxing gym there too.


Anyway, you got me in a good mood and for the kids here not knowing the shoulder roll I will tell this, do not try to do it unless you have a perfect balance, good coordination and above average footwork. A right maneuvre consists of a sidestep, a duck to the side, a cover with a shoulder and then you push of with a foot that you sidestepped with to counter. All this has to be done synergetically, in a right order and very very fast. If you do it wrong you fall off balance and get a nice hole in your defense that even a paraplegic can get an advantage of.
you dont need footwork for the shoulder roll, your on the ropes
if you lot are trying the shoulder roll in the center of the ring hahahaha that **** is funny... :dunce:
i can counter off it without my feet budging

fdotorres
09-06-2009, 12:54 PM
no, but i can do the dempsey role!!

Alexandros
09-06-2009, 01:37 PM
i can do it easily, but i dont use it because my stance is very basic. :D