I'm always surprised to see Glen Johnson labelled as a journeyman. True, he isn't the most stylish or talented of fighters, but he's always intended to reach the top, a feat which he has now achieved.

But is a journeyman necessarily a bad thing? Not every fighter is going to have the talent to reach world class level - if a fighter enters the sport as a profession just to make money at, say, British or European level, is that a bad thing?

People call Danny Williams a journeyman, but his attention has always been to get to the top - so is it an ability or intention thing?

The only journeyman that comes to mind is Julius Francis - he accepts pay days just to give up-and-coming fighters some round experience, and doesn't even try to win. He's only won 2 out of his last 16 bouts. Yet he used to be British & Commonwealth champ.

Journeyman = a qualified craftsman who works for an employer.

But my understanding of a boxing journeyman is a guy who gets his fair share of defeat.

I thought it was someone who was content just to stay at a level, just earning a paypacket and not even caring if they won or lost... especially someone who didn't mind being paid to lose. (albeit fairly, not taking a dive).

I wonder how many people actually know what a journeyman really IS?

A boxing journeyman is a guy who excels at fighting bums and fails at uping his game, a guy who doesn't have alot of public recognition, either..

A boxing journeyman is a guy who excels at fighting bums and fails at uping his game, a guy who doesn't have alot of public recognition, either..

In the UK its the fighter with 60% + defeats who get called journeymen.

I dont normally use that term because it a bit disrespectful, theres only a few boxers i dont respect for stepping though the ropes.

Name me some journeymen. As I said, only Francis comes to mind for me... taking money to advertise a newspaper on his boots, I ask you!

Name me some journeymen. As I said, only Francis comes to mind for me... taking money to advertise a newspaper on his boots, I ask you!

:D

There's a few, i cant think of there names because i dont think useless fighters should be allowed to be pro, definitely not fighters i care to remember.

Francis is a good journeyman, a test for the up and coming fighters.

> Journeyman = a qualified craftsman who works for an employer.
> But my understanding of a boxing journeyman is a guy
> who gets his fair share of defeat.

Boxer become a journeyman when he start loosing fights and won't retire.
Box is a sport, he can win some times but he never will be one of the best. For him boxing is no longer a way to glory it is a proffesion to earn a little of money.

So Holyfield is now a journeyman?

i thoguth a journeyman was a guy who fights anyone anywhere for chump change hence sanders fighting wlad in germany for what 150k?

I'm always surprised to see Glen Johnson labelled as a journeyman. True, he isn't the most stylish or talented of fighters, but he's always intended to reach the top, a feat which he has now achieved.

Leave Glen alone. He has to wake up for work. And that reminds me, you know his number? I need my pool cleaned.

> So Holyfield is now a journeyman?

He thought he is still great and can come back to glory so he was not a journeyman yet. I think that now he is done and if he decide to continue fighting then he become one from the next fight.

> Journeyman = a qualified craftsman who works for an employer.
> But my understanding of a boxing journeyman is a guy
> who gets his fair share of defeat.

Boxer become a journeyman when he start loosing fights and won't retire.
Box is a sport, he can win some times but he never will be one of the best. For him boxing is no longer a way to glory it is a proffesion to earn a little of money.

I tend to agree with this post. I'd always assumed a journeyman was someone who was more or less a gatekeeper to a division that you had to get past before you're really taken seriously.

Hassine Cherifi, anyone?

In my opinion a journeyman is someone who is a fairly talented boxer who only had enough skill (or was not properly managed) to get to contender status but couldn't make the jump to champ. Lovemore N'dou is a guy almost everyone will agree is a journeyman. He is a tough fighter who is not someone a prospect on his way up could just roll over. A journeyman is usually the guy who is a prospect's first real test. Bojado found that out when he got beat by JJ Leija. And Cotto found that out when he got by Lovemore but not before we found out that Cotto needs to keep his left hand up in the clinch.