In each of these fights, the victor was accused of getting a gift decision on popularity alone. If anyone has seen any of these fights, do you agree with the decision?

Jones v Tarver I (I agree that Jones stuggled, but he won)

Leonard v Hagler (Haven't seen it yet, most people think that Hagler really won.)

Ali v Norton III (Ali did win...barely)

Wepner v Terell (Robbery. Christmas for Wepner in June.)

Louis v Walcott I (Total Robbery. Walcott made Louis look like ass.)

To add to the list of controversial fights:

DLH V.S. Mosley 2. (DLH obviously robbed)
Byrd V.S. Oquendo. (some conspiracy talk, but I gave byrd the decision.)

and in recent memory.

Tarver V.S. Johnson. (Tarver being COMPLETELY robbed by the judges).

Mayweather-Castillo I

yea maybe it was because I just wasnt used to seeing Floyd hit as much. I just thought Castillo out-hustled and out-muscled him for the win.

i think even the HBO crew, who usually kisses the HBO fighter's ass had Castillo winning.(i know for a fact Lederman had Castillo up)

Hagler totally won that fight against Leonard...that was a very bad decision. :boxing:

I wish I could have seen Tarver v Johnson. I know that there is no way Johnson could defeat Tarver unless the judges were members of his family.

I wish I could have seen Tarver v Johnson. I know that there is no way Johnson could defeat Tarver unless the judges were members of his family.

After watching the fight, you will think the judges are his children. Its absolutely ridiculous. Tarver was busier, and outlanded Johnson. Reminded me of Lewis/Holy 1. A lightheavyweight version of that fight.

I was rooting for Johnson, but Tarver won that fight. After seein the first fight, unless Johnson makes some changes in his game plan, I don't give him much chance of winning the rematch.

Isn't it amazing that Ring magazine called Johnson "Fighter of the Year" based, mainly, on his fights with Jones and Tarver? Those kinds of things make being a boxing fan feel dirty.

Isn't it amazing that Ring magazine called Johnson "Fighter of the Year" based, mainly, on his fights with Jones and Tarver? Those kinds of things make being a boxing fan feel dirty.

I dont agree with his ranking. And I think he is one of the most overrated fighters on the scene.

I don't believe any sane boxing fan would agree. But this is the same magazine that comes up with a new, bogus, P4P list every issue.

Hagler totally won that fight against Leonard...that was a very bad decision. :boxing:

That one is arguable, the worst was the draw they gave Leonard in his 2nd fight with Hearns.

I don't believe any sane boxing fan would agree. But this is the same magazine that comes up with a new, bogus, P4P list every issue.

I totally agree. And since ive given out all my karma today.

That critique of Ring Magazine is worth the 500 im sending you.

So, we're in agreement on something else? The phony P4P ratings that "have the lifespan of a mayfly with health problems and suicidal tendencies."

RJJ in the Olympics
that was a robbery.

dlh sturm-#1 lamest modern decision imo

what about de la hoya and tito that was a robbery...

chavez-whitaker (pea, this is one is incredible, this is probably the worst decision I can think of)

hagler-leonard (leonard, it hurts to say that cos marv is my favorite fighter, but he fought such a dumb fight and conducted such dumb negotiations on ring, rounds and anything. Leonard is a ***** anyway for never giving the rematch)

marquez-pacman (pacman, I don't think he was robbed of anything but it is unconceivable that the fight was decided by an error!! if the judge who scored the 1st round 10-7 scored it 10-6 he would have won, and there is no way that the first round could have been any different from 10-6, "I thought we could not score 10-6 rounds")

louis-walcott (walcott, this is a really bad decision, saw this one on espn classics and it was the first time I saw louis fight, I thought "what's so special with this guy?" then I saw some more luckily)

dlh-tito (dlh, not the worst one but you have to look hard to find more 5 rounds for tito)

jones in the olympics

What kills me about the Louis v Walcott decision is that Louis KNEW he lost the fight and almost immediately stormed toward the locker room after the final bell. When the "winner" knows he shouldn't have "won", then that should tell you something.

chavez-whitaker (pea, this is one is incredible, this is probably the worst decision I can think of)

hagler-leonard (leonard, it hurts to say that cos marv is my favorite fighter, but he fought such a dumb fight and conducted such dumb negotiations on ring, rounds and anything. Leonard is a ***** anyway for never giving the rematch)

marquez-pacman (pacman, I don't think he was robbed of anything but it is unconceivable that the fight was decided by an error!! if the judge who scored the 1st round 10-7 scored it 10-6 he would have won, and there is no way that the first round could have been any different from 10-6, "I thought we could not score 10-6 rounds")

louis-walcott (walcott, this is a really bad decision, saw this one on espn classics and it was the first time I saw louis fight, I thought "what's so special with this guy?" then I saw some more luckily)

dlh-tito (dlh, not the worst one but you have to look hard to find more 5 rounds for tito)

jones in the olympics


judges are not aloud to score under a 10-7 round thats why pac didnt win its a rule so it isnt robbery

Worse verdict i ever saw what Sven Oktte`s 'win' over Robin Reid in their December 2003 world title match. Reid dominated Oktte and beat him up only for the judges to give the fight to the German by very wide margins!

Big George knocked Shannon Briggs from pillar to post but the decision went to Briggs. :bsflag: James Toney got a helluva gift when he fought Dave Tiberi as well.

judges are not aloud to score under a 10-7 round thats why pac didnt win its a rule so it isnt robbery
If that was the case then Marquez won by 2 points total and in my eyes won by more than that.

If that was the case then Marquez won by 2 points total and in my eyes won by more than that.

JMM won every round after the 2nd. He figured Pac out, and should have been awarded the victory. I had him winning 116-112.

To add to the list of controversial fights:

DLH V.S. Mosley 2. (DLH obviously robbed)
Byrd V.S. Oquendo. (some conspiracy talk, but I gave byrd the decision.)
and in recent memory.

Tarver V.S. Johnson. (Tarver being COMPLETELY robbed by the judges).What??You gave Bryd the decision!!
:eek: :confused: :D

P.S. Trinidad beat Oscar, fair and square.

What??You gave Bryd the decision!!
:eek: :confused: :D

Byrd chased Oquendo around the ring in the last 4 rounds of the fight.

According to Larry Merchant:


Chris Byrd is looking like Joe Frazier out there.....something I never thought I would say.

He landed more meaningful punches at the end of the fight.

I score championship fights as 2 seperate bouts.

Bout 1: rounds 1-9
Bout 2: rounds 9-12

Oquendo won the majority of bout 1, Byrd DOMINATED bout 2.

There were points where Oquendo was almost floored. I watched the fight day before yesterday as a matter of fact.

Byrd chased Oquendo around the ring in the last 4 rounds of the fight.

According to Larry Merchant:


Chris Byrd is looking like Joe Frazier out there.....something I never thought I would say.

He landed more meaningful punches at the end of the fight.

I score fights as 2 seperate bouts.

Bout 1: rounds 1-9
Bout 2: rounds 9-12

Oquendo won the majority of bout 1, Byrd DOMINATED bout 2.

There were points where Oquendo was almost floored. I watched the fight day before yesterday as a matter of fact.Excuse me while I laugh my ass off...ok, Oquendo slaped Bryd around for 12 rounds. :D

Excuse me while I laugh my ass off...ok, Oquendo slaped Bryd around for 12 rounds.

I disagree.

I suppose you think Mosley won the 2nd DLH fight too? right?

I think DLH was robbed. Easy decision to call, not a difficult one like Oquendo Byrd.

Byrd/Oquendo reminds me of Cotto/Corley.
If Byrd knocked Fres out, people would be making all types of excuses for Oquendo.

People are blinded by their favorite fighter, and IMO....were only watching Oquendo.

Forget Byrd's punchstat numbers, Oquendo's bicycle, and Byrd's popularity (lack of).

is Fres faster then byrd?

Byrd/Oquendo reminds me of Cotto/Corley.
If Byrd knocked Fres out, people would be making all types of excuses for Oquendo.People are blinded by their favorite fighter, and IMO....were only watching Oquendo.

Forget Byrd's punchstat numbers, Oquendo's bicycle, and Byrd's popularity (lack of).Funny Oquendo isnt on my favorite list, but Bryds in your "never root against" list :rolleyes:

3) Chris Byrd

There is nobody who can beat him. Wlad may have the best shot, but a decision will never be awarded to him, unless he proves he can take the title from him. Let me quess, you were watching Oquendo too :D

judges are not aloud to score under a 10-7 round thats why pac didnt win its a rule so it isnt robbery

then i guess the other two judges broke that "rule"?? They both had it a 10-6 round for Pac (as did harold lederman).