I do not think he is, and I think Vitali will have a very tough fight against Danny Williams.


Williams is a very good boxer whose heart is all of the sudden much bigger.

Nevertheless, I think VK KO5 Williams.

I do not think he is, and I think Vitali will have a very tough fight against Danny Williams.


Williams is a very good boxer who's heart is all of the sudden much bigger.

Nevertheless, I think VK KO5 Williams.

hes not quite a bum
but extremely close
and he will be without a doubt a bum once Vitali is done with him

I do not think he is, and I think Vitali will have a very tough fight against Danny Williams.


Williams is a very good boxer whose heart is all of the sudden much bigger.

Nevertheless, I think VK KO5 Williams.

flat out BUM.

He was getting it handed to him by Mike before Mike blew his knee out.

williams isn't necessarily a bum, i think of him as a more average skilled pro, but one thing is sure, he doesn't think he's a bum - he probably keeps watching the Wladdy - Lamon Brewster fight telling himself over and over , " That's gonna be me, mate,". I don't think he'll beat Vitali - Williams is really stepping up here after fighting a shot Tyson - but now that he's said he'll retire after the fight and all, i think he's planning to leave it all in the ring on fight night and show us who danny williams is, i think he'll give Vitali a tougher fight than we expect, he's got something to prove now : that danny williams is no bum. When i see him now, he looks hungry, he's gonna fight hard

flat out BUM.

He was getting it handed to him by Mike before Mike blew his knee out.

I agree. Like I've saying here for a while now. Williams is the worst fight that Vitali has fought in over 3 years.

I do not think he is, and I think Vitali will have a very tough fight against Danny Williams.


Williams is a very good boxer whose heart is all of the sudden much bigger.

Nevertheless, I think VK KO5 Williams.

He's probably got as much talent as most of the top guys, it's always been his head that was the problem. He has showed good heart in a few fights as well...I remember one British title fight when he put his shoulder out but still boxed on and managed to KO the guy late.

I would say that mentally he has been a bit of a bum but not talent-wise.

Does a bear **** in the woods? The guy is a bum if I've ever seen a bum. Tomato can, Tijuana cab driver whatever.

bum bidy bum bidy bumbumbum

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buuuummmmm bidy bumbumbum!

that being said i have this weird feeling he might win

william ko 9

Williams is on par with a Larry Donald ( prime Donald ), not too much away from the quality of say...kirk johnson. Klitsko will win in about 6 / 7 rounds i think, however there are worse contenders than Williams.

Of the people that claim Danny's a bum, how many have actually seen more than one of his fights?

williams isnt a bum and he has a pretty good heavyweight chin although not great......but i dont think he could beat vitali.......hes better suited fighting people like brewster and rahman

Of the people that claim Danny's a bum, how many have actually seen more than one of his fights?

Yes, most of the people who call Williams a bum have only seen him destroy Tyson and a couple of clips of him getting beat by Samil Sam.

Danny isnt a bum, he's got world class skills for a big Heavyweight!! If things were a little different he could have been number 1 but he such a **** up its unlikely he'll ever do really well, you only have to look at his defeats to realise how bad he can perform when his mental problems kick in!!

The injury Tyson suffered was bull****, he may have hurt his leg abit but it didnt effect his performance much. I have watch that fight many times and i cant see how anyone can say it did, he was doing exactly the same until he got blasted out!! Tyson fans should let go and realise he's not the same fighter anymore!!

I have seen a lot of Williams fights myself, i know how well he can perform but i also know how bad he can perform too!!

Williams chin isnt that good and its likely Vitali could beat him early, I'm still unsure if Williams can use his superior skills and wear him down ready for the KO. At the moment I'd favour Vitali in this fight but i definitly not writing Williams off.

Yes, most of the people who call Williams a bum have only seen him destroy Tyson and a couple of clips of him getting beat by Samil Sam.

Danny isnt a bum, he's got world class skills for a big Heavyweight!! If things were a little different he could have been number 1 but he such a **** up its unlikely he'll ever do really well, you only have to look at his defeats to realise how bad he can perform when his mental problems kick in!!

The injury Tyson suffered was bull****, he may have hurt his leg abit but it didnt effect his performance much. I have watch that fight many times and i cant see how anyone can say it did, he was doing exactly the same until he got blasted out!! Tyson fans should let go and realise he's not the same fighter anymore!!

I have seen a lot of Williams fights myself, i know how well he can perform but i also know how bad he can perform too!!

Williams chin isnt that good and its likely Vitali could beat him early, I'm still unsure if Williams can use his superior skills and wear him down ready for the KO. At the moment I'd favour Vitali in this fight but i definitly not writing Williams off.


im sorry to say that u dont know what your talking about.

if your knee is damaged you cant throw the hook or uppercut with much power at all.

i hated mikes prefomances these last 6 years, but those first few rounds where the best id seen mike since the 80's.

then it went away as soon as his arms spasumed from the pain of his knee tearing.

he was a completely diffrent fighter after that.

just try to throw a hook with out pivoting on you lead toes, you'll be throwin a wet noodle.

im sorry to say that u dont know what your talking about.

if your knee is damaged you cant throw the hook or uppercut with much power at all.

i hated mikes prefomances these last 6 years, but those first few rounds where the best id seen mike since the 80's.

then it went away as soon as his arms spasumed from the pain of his knee tearing.

he was a completely diffrent fighter after that.

just try to throw a hook with out pivoting on you lead toes, you'll be throwin a wet noodle.

It was obvious to me from his reaction that it wasn't a particularly bad tear (I've torn both of mine in the last 18 months)and I think people give too much consideration to it. It didn't seem to effect his movement coming forward that much and I thought that his performance fell away in the same way as it has in a few of his more recent fights.

Bum no, Danny is an allright guy, with chin and skills, however Vit will beat him.

I think Williams is a very tuff guy! He isn't going to go away easily. Vitali will be too much for him though. Vitali wins by middle to late round TKO!

im sorry to say that u dont know what your talking about.

if your knee is damaged you cant throw the hook or uppercut with much power at all.

i hated mikes prefomances these last 6 years, but those first few rounds where the best id seen mike since the 80's.

then it went away as soon as his arms spasumed from the pain of his knee tearing.

he was a completely diffrent fighter after that.

just try to throw a hook with out pivoting on you lead toes, you'll be throwin a wet noodle.

:rolleyes:

Come on, be serious!! You cant possibly be that gullible!!!

The injury wasnt that bad, it didnt stop him from throwing the shots and it didnt effect his power.

I have watched the fight many times, i have even watched to injury moment about 5 times before writing this and 2 seconds after as he grabs his knee, he's throwing big left hooks, he was pivoting on it straight after!! Like you said, you cant pivot if you had that type of injury!!

Tyson may have been slighty injured but that wasnt the reason he got KO'd. I would love to say it was because i'm a Tyson fan but i admit he's just an old man who isnt good enough anymore.

While I still favour Vitali (though I've bet on Danny at 5-1) one advantage Danny has over Klit is superior stamina.

He is not a bum but i dont think he can beat vitali

:rolleyes:

Come on, be serious!! You cant possibly be that gullible!!!

The injury wasnt that bad, it didnt stop him from throwing the shots and it didnt effect his power.

I have watched the fight many times, i have even watched to injury moment about 5 times before writing this and 2 seconds after as he grabs his knee, he's throwing big left hooks, he was pivoting on it straight after!! Like you said, you cant pivot if you had that type of injury!!

Tyson may have been slighty injured but that wasnt the reason he got KO'd. I would love to say it was because i'm a Tyson fan but i admit he's just an old man who isnt good enough anymore.


i been boxing since i was 13, if you cant pivot you cant fight with power. infact you cant even slip a shot while beng in postion to fire back. you could come forward but you'd only have your jab and your right hand and that would put mike at a serious diadvantage.

yeah mike lost but williams isnt as much to blame as mikes knee, and this is coming from a guy whos been talkin **** about mike for the last 5 years, i am by know means a tyson lover.

any knee injury that makes your arms involentarly flap at your sides during a fight must have hurt him enough to stop him from pivoting. and the evidence of this is he couldnt back william up after the spasam, but was doing it easly beforhand.

so yeah it did effect his power. it affected the whole fight.
watch it again.

i been boxing since i was 13, if you cant pivot you cant fight with power. infact you cant even slip a shot while beng in postion to fire back. you could come forward but you'd only have your jab and your right hand and that would put mike at a serious diadvantage.

yeah mike lost but williams isnt as much to blame as mikes knee, and this is coming from a guy whos been talkin **** about mike for the last 5 years, i am by know means a tyson lover.

any knee injury that makes your arms involentarly flap at your sides during a fight must have hurt him enough to stop him from pivoting. and the evidence of this is he couldnt back william up after the spasam, but was doing it easly beforhand.

so yeah it did effect his power. it affected the whole fight.
watch it again.

I have been fighting for many year too, but i have never had problems with my legs, although i did a similar injury playing soccer and if he was injured as bad as he told everyone, he wouldnt have been able to do what he was able to do. Its nothing to do with pain thesholds, its about stability.

My point is that it didnt effect Tyson as much as he said.

I'm a little tired of watching it, so lets agree that it wasnt Tysons knee that lost him the fight :p .

Seriously lets agree to disagree. :D

Tyson's messed up knee definitiely changed the fight however way you look at it, Danny was about to go and then Mike's knee gave way. He was in a damn wheelchair after the fight.

You lose a lot of power (Mike's main weapon) without the leverage/pivoting of the knee.

Danny got his lucky break. It's time for him to show us what he's really made of. I think it'll be very tough for him to beat Vitali... But it's possible. :D

Williams is not a bum but he is an inch close to it. Also his weak attempts to play mind games with Vitaly are just hilarious. :D

I dont think that Tyson's knee affected him too much. I mean he could still walk. IMHO it was more of a comulative thing. His age, prior fights, of course injury etc.
Tyson is old and shot :(
Oh well lets move on

He is a bum, but i have seen bigger bums in my life. He is all talk about how hes a different man now. I dont think he should or deserves a shot at a title.

No, I agree with that, he hasn't earned a shot, though most contenders in the division haven't these days. I think that the heavyweight division is the most disorganised division going.

Question: Is Danny Williams a bum?

Answer:
http://www.zaman.com.tr/2003/02/10/resim/sam.jpg

Post Tyson fight you cannot call Danny Williams a bum. The heart and coming back from behind capability that he showed warrant no reasons for continuing to call him a bum. Now the true caliber of the modern Danny Williams, the so caleld new and improved Danny Williams, we shall see on Dec. 11th.

While I still favour Vitali (though I've bet on Danny at 5-1) one advantage Danny has over Klit is superior stamina.
Yer thinking of His little bro

Vitali has many late rd stoppages!

No, I agree with that, he hasn't earned a shot, though most contenders in the division haven't these days. I think that the heavyweight division is the most disorganised division going.

How does someone with this list of wins (Sullivan TKO 10, Hoffman UD 12, Purrity TKO 11, Bean TKO 11, Donald TKO 10, Sanders TKO 8) and zero losses that were stamina related have a stamina problem?

How does someone with this list of wins (Sullivan TKO 10, Hoffman UD 12, Purrity TKO 11, Bean TKO 11, Donald TKO 10, Sanders TKO 8) and zero losses that were stamina related have a stamina problem?

Because dont know what to critisice him for soo they say he got stamina problems, he fought LL and escpecially Sandres so well because he was the better conditioned.

Thinking of the pace in Vit-Sanders,while keeping in mind how big he is he has very good stamina.

Is your Mom lazy?

Has you sister been ridden more than Seattle Slew?


It'S TRUE................HE's A BUM!!

Williams is no bigger of a bum than anyone else in the division . We have a division full of bums its a bums division at the moment .

I don't think that Williams is a bum ... if he has his head on straight for his upcoming match, I believe that it will be more competitive that some think. Although I still like Vitali to take it via late round stoppage.

williams is not a bum and i'm sure the people who say that know absolutely nothing about this career and have only seen him fight once or twice. American fans are quick to slag off British heavies then will post threads like 'can anyonme beat Hasim Rahman'!!!!!!!!enough said!

How does someone with this list of wins (Sullivan TKO 10, Hoffman UD 12, Purrity TKO 11, Bean TKO 11, Donald TKO 10, Sanders TKO 8) and zero losses that were stamina related have a stamina problem?

remind which round did he pull out against byrd? so zero losses oisnt exactly true, if out working a fat old sanders for 8 rounds is proving your stamina then hey **** I could get title shot tomorrow :eek:
the fact is williams is a proven 12 round fighter vitali isnt so you never know how this may affect him especially a fighter so tall.
IN ANSWER TH THE THREAD NO DANNY ISNT A BUM AND THOSE WHO SAY HE IS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BOXING OR WILLIAMS. SECONDLY I HAVE TO TAKE ISSUE WITH THE USE OF THE TERM BUM.

SAVE IT FOR THE GUYS WHPO SLEEP IN SHOP DOORWAYS NOT WARRIORS WHO DEDICATE THEIR LIVES TO A SPORT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO LOVE..

SHOW SOME RESPECT .

Tyson's messed up knee definitiely changed the fight however way you look at it, Danny was about to go and then Mike's knee gave way. He was in a damn wheelchair after the fight.

You lose a lot of power (Mike's main weapon) without the leverage/pivoting of the knee.

Danny got his lucky break. It's time for him to show us what he's really made of. I think it'll be very tough for him to beat Vitali... But it's possible. :D

I didnt see any change in Tyson's movement, his technique was exactlty the same, which makes me think the injury wasnt a valid reason for his defeat. I give Williams full credit for his win over Tyson.

I could sit in a wheel chair but it doesnt make me injured. The fact is that Tyson is worth a lot more money in his next fight with an excuse for the Williams loss then without an excuse.

I do agree that Williams is facing an up hill battle against Klitchko. Lets hope he's good enough to make it interesting.

williams is not a bum and i'm sure the people who say that know absolutely nothing about this career and have only seen him fight once or twice. American fans are quick to slag off British heavies then will post threads like 'can anyonme beat Hasim Rahman'!!!!!!!!enough said!

European fighters in general come attack from US fans(not all US fans), especially the UK fighters.

remind which round did he pull out against byrd? so zero losses oisnt exactly true, if out working a fat old sanders for 8 rounds is proving your stamina then hey **** I could get title shot tomorrow :eek:
the fact is williams is a proven 12 round fighter vitali isnt so you never know how this may affect him especially a fighter so tall.
IN ANSWER TH THE THREAD NO DANNY ISNT A BUM AND THOSE WHO SAY HE IS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BOXING OR WILLIAMS. SECONDLY I HAVE TO TAKE ISSUE WITH THE USE OF THE TERM BUM.

SAVE IT FOR THE GUYS WHPO SLEEP IN SHOP DOORWAYS NOT WARRIORS WHO DEDICATE THEIR LIVES TO A SPORT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO LOVE..

SHOW SOME RESPECT .

I cleary said "stamina related." Throwing in the towel because of a torn rotator cuff is not stamina related. Especially since he only lost 1 and 2 rounds. As for Sanders, I know you don't think that you could withstand his punches. Vitali used up a lot of energy with his constant movement trying to avoid Sanders punches.

Danny is no bum.

He got the shot at the title for beating the shell of Tyson but he's as good as everyone else outside the top 5 of the division. We've all got a better chance of seeing if Vitali really is the top dog after this fight. Let's be honest, the Sanders fight certainly didn't tell us anything. All said and done though - Vitali by KO late in the fight.

Williams is a chump. VK will dispose of his ass in 3 rds. I'd bet on it.

If VK doesn't take him seriously HE WILL LOSE (even though ill cheer for Vitali no matter what)


Williams beat Tyson and he beat a focused Tyson (injury or no injury)


A Tyson who went at him hard and didn't fade even after the injury (check rounds 2 and 3 again)


Williams deserves this shot


to say he is a bum is wrong

he beat a legit heavy (Tyson lost to the heavy champ and beat Ettiene vicously and Cliff was a good heavy at the time top 20 perhaps)

Williams is not close to a bum

a past loss is nothing

just look at Vitali, Lewis, Vlad, Rahman, and anybody else


does that make them weak champs? perhaps but they all rebounded and succeeded and we didn't call them bums after they did so (yea even vlad, took down TOS after a KD which was something no one would expect no matter how bad he looked)



So in my mind Williams deserves the shot, is not a bum, but IT IS VITALI'S to lose at this point

i think williams is really good. but not better than vitali. im not saying williams is going to storm through the heavies, but he is a good fighter that is exciting. i don't think he is a bum. his chin might be questionable but he took tyson's punches. we will find out in december!!

If VK doesn't take him seriously HE WILL LOSE (even though ill cheer for Vitali no matter what)


Williams beat Tyson and he beat a focused Tyson (injury or no injury)


A Tyson who went at him hard and didn't fade even after the injury (check rounds 2 and 3 again)


Williams deserves this shot


to say he is a bum is wrong

he beat a legit heavy (Tyson lost to the heavy champ and beat Ettiene vicously and Cliff was a good heavy at the time top 20 perhaps)

Williams is not close to a bum

a past loss is nothing

just look at Vitali, Lewis, Vlad, Rahman, and anybody else


does that make them weak champs? perhaps but they all rebounded and succeeded and we didn't call them bums after they did so (yea even vlad, took down TOS after a KD which was something no one would expect no matter how bad he looked)



So in my mind Williams deserves the shot, is not a bum, but IT IS VITALI'S to lose at this point

I mainly agree, but Vit comes prepared he has good training ethic.

I think that Vitaly totally understands how important is the first defense. Besides, have anybody ever seen him come out unprepared or out of shape?
Also after reviewing the Battle for supremacy I must say that Williams is a good addition in the mix of HW's we have today.

If Danny loses but does so creditably, will that keep him in the elite and give him a chance at the others?

[the Australian guy who just fought Rahman, can't remember his name for the life of me] - disposed of by Williams in 32 seconds.

Neuraxis - the pic you posted of Danny getting hit - I don't recognise the opponent, who was it?

To be fair, re: stamina, I've only seen three Vit fights - his last three. Against LL and Sanders he was blowing hard.

]ofcourse he is. hey I am Dema , I am new, Vitaly can;t wait to ko some bum, even if williams will walk away. Vitaly can have better opponent , or wait for Toney, I am sad that Wlad won;t fight this year, [/B] [IMG]

danny got all the tools, but he needs the self belief. he proved in the tyson fight that he got a chin, after taking them bombs. he could upset vitali if he is in the right mindset

If danny could come in so strong he can get to Vitali and take his confidence, get him thinking " Wait a minute, this guy is supposed to be a joke and now i'm having trouble getting rid of him," he can pull off an upset

I really can't tell how this fight is going to pan out. I think Williams has probably got the faster hands and maybe better skills but it all depends on whether he can get VK to fight on the inside. If he can then I'd favour him, if not then it has to be Vitali, probably by mid to late KO.

I really can't tell how this fight is going to pan out. I think Williams has probably got the faster hands and maybe better skills but it all depends on whether he can get VK to fight on the inside. If he can then I'd favour him, if not then it has to be Vitali, probably by mid to late KO.

Yes this is the Guy who got beat by that slob turk Sam. He has the better skillz? You must be british or dumb. VK by KO inside of 5 :cool:

Vitali's fought lots of fighters who had faster hands than him, and that didn't stop him from knocking them out. I dont' see Danny's power as being too good or overwhelming, I really think that if VItali fights the way he did against Johnson, then it should be a very early knockout win for him.

Yes this is the Guy who got beat by that slob turk Sam. He has the better skillz? You must be british or dumb. VK by KO inside of 5 :cool:

I'm American and smarter than your dumb ass. I live in England and have seen more than 2 of Williams' fights, unlike you. Glen Johnson must have better skills than Roy Jones then, eh? When you've got something intelligent to say, come back to me.

Neuraxis - the pic you posted of Danny getting hit - I don't recognise the opponent, who was it?

To be fair, re: stamina, I've only seen three Vit fights - his last three. Against LL and Sanders he was blowing hard.

It was Sinan Sam.

I'm American and smarter than your dumb ass. I live in England and have seen more than 2 of Williams' fights, unlike you. Glen Johnson must have better skills than Roy Jones then, eh? When you've got something intelligent to say, come back to me.
Id bet my life i have more education in my ball sack then yer entire head. By the way England sux and so does Danny Williams. Beside I have seen 4 of HIs fights and know VK will destroy this limey *******

I'm American and smarter than your dumb ass. I live in England and have seen more than 2 of Williams' fights, unlike you. Glen Johnson must have better skills than Roy Jones then, eh? When you've got something intelligent to say, come back to me.

Are you sayin Klitschko The Cahmp is on par with Glencoffe Johnson, while DannyWilliams is on par with Roy Jones Jr? Whos the Dumbazz?

Are you sayin Klitschko The Cahmp is on par with Glencoffe Johnson, while DannyWilliams is on par with Roy Jones Jr? Whos the Dumbazz?

Nah, it's an extreme of the rationale that you were using to dismiss Williams. Maybe you should get punched in the head a bit more...see if you can get any dumber? Moron.

Vitali's fought lots of fighters who had faster hands than him, and that didn't stop him from knocking them out. I dont' see Danny's power as being too good or overwhelming, I really think that if VItali fights the way he did against Johnson, then it should be a very early knockout win for him.

VK will probably win it but if the fight goes a certain way then Williams has a chance. There's been plenty of much bigger upsets than this would be.

I think it remains to be seen, after his fight with Vitali we will know.

Id bet my life i have more education in my ball sack then yer entire head. By the way England sux and so does Danny Williams. Beside I have seen 4 of HIs fights and know VK will destroy this limey *******



judging by your spelling and insular (look it up) attitude i very much doubt it.
have you been to england or what exactly ar you basing this on, or as i suspect are you just aged seven or younger.
I really dont understand why when talking boxing you have to degrade the conversation and attack a nationality. Its a form of racism and offensive..

I give Danny Williams a good chance to win this fight. Who on earth would have thought he would beat Tyson the way he did. Some can argue that Tyson hurt his knee but we all know he has been past his best for along time now. Vitali is good in the heavyweight division but he is not unbeatable and i know we will see him exposed very soon. I say if the fight goes beyond 5 rounds then Danny is in with a good chance because if Vitali hasn't hurt him by then Danny will be flowing with supreme confidence.

Eyeh8you If your opinions aren't solely boxing then keep them to yourself please because quite frankly it's offensive. You think your pretty intelligent but from the posts i have read of yours that is far from the truth.

Peace....

danny williams only noticable point is that he beat a very hurt and crippled tyson who would of beat him in the second round

he's not exactly a bum. i think he got lucky in the tyson fight. but good for him for hitting the jackpot before he retires!