"Sugar" Ray Robinson, no question.

not familiar with the old school, but from present times, it'd be hard to bet against roy jones in his prime, mayweather jr's up there in my book as well

difficult to argue against sugar ray robinson but henry armstrong had an awesome record. Ali also in the top 3 for me as well. for my top 5 i would add in roberto duran and roy jones

what kind of stupid thread is this?
everyone knows it's sugar ray robinson

Srr .

gay Soldier and El Chico Suave will tell you it is Tito Trinidad!!!!!

Vive La Puerto Rico!!!!

:banana: Sugar Ray Robinson :scared: Jack Dempsey :banana:

Sven Ottke is up there too..

Some fighters have power, others have speed, others have 25-person entourages and caged tigers in their backyards, but Robinson had it all.

hmmm, maybe Ruiz?


p4p in my book from our time Ricardo Lopez

At 180 pound it go's to Rocky Marciano. They tested his power, equal to a armor peircing bullet.

Sven Ottke is up there too..

Wow...lol. What's scary is there are probably some Germans who really think that, though I'm sure MOST aren't that far off their rockers. Top 5 p4p for me, based on what I've seen and heard and believe (keep in mind I'm young):

1) Sugar Ray Robinson
2) Muhammad Ali
3) Roy Jones Jr.
4) Aaron Pryor
5) Jim Corbett/Floyd Mayweather/Roberto Duran/

I know I'm forgetting somebody.

I say Rocky Marciano, he was the baddest man to ever step into the ring, Joe Louis said he was good enough to beat anyone, he put everything into all of his punches,

prime chavez.

chavez would've put a hurting on robinson

marciano rings a bell

marciano is like #11 on the p4p list, remember,this is a p4p thread

Slipx's Top Three P4P Greatest Fighters of All Time:

#1 Chavez
#2 Hagler
#3 Leonard

SRR hands down. He had speed,power, a good chin and fought everyone and their brother.

muhammad ali

p4p is including weight, he was like a lightweight, but HW size! he was the fastest, best foot work and he was HW! give the guy his dues.


else SRL.

I think Chavez is very over rated

here's my list

#1."Sugar" Ray Robinson
#2. Roy Jones Jr.
#3. Roberto Duran
#4. Joe Louis/Muhammad Ali (both tied on my list)
#5. Alexis Arguello

I think Chavez is very over rated

here's my list

#1."Sugar" Ray Robinson
#2. Roy Jones Jr.
#3. Roberto Duran
#4. Joe Louis/Muhammad Ali (both tied on my list)
#5. Alexis Arguello
Rocky Marciano, never got knocked out like those guys, Marciano said in my prime i could have fought with any Man alive, and i would have put my money on him, and i dont care who he is fighting...

Top five all time pound for pound list is a tough one to create, because there are so many fighters who were just as good as one another, but just fought with different styles. Its all in the eye of the beholder..

I think Chavez is very over rated



how??????????

I think Sugar Ray Robinson, Harry Greb, Sam Langford and Henry Armstrong were the elite four and there's not much seperating each of them.

Without a doubt the best p4p of all time was Muhammad Ali.

hell no, marciano at 185 would have beat ali at 215.

Marciano put Ali on his knee's filming that computer fight, with a body shot, Ali kept knocking Marciano's hair piece off his head trying to be funny, Rocky told him if he did it again they would be fighting for-real and he did it again and Rocky dropped him, about broke his ribs, even Ali said he could not believe how stong Marciano was, and couldn't imagine him in his prime, Rocky trained for that fight like he was fighting for championship fight, nobody trained like Rocky did, and loss 50 pounds, for a computer fight, thats how serious Marciano took boxing, Marciano would have beat Ali that day if they would have let him,

Marciano put Ali on his knee's filming that computer fight, with a body shot, Ali kept knocking Marciano's hair piece off his head trying to be funny, Rocky told him if he did it again they would be fighting for-real and he did it again and Rocky dropped him, about broke his ribs, even Ali said he could not believe how stong Marciano was, and couldn't imagine him in his prime, Rocky trained for that fight like he was fighting for championship fight, nobody trained like Rocky did, and loss 50 pounds, for a computer fight, thats how serious Marciano took boxing, Marciano would have beat Ali that day if they would have let him,
hey the_powerpuncher not trying to cut down on you but here in Texas Melons dont hit back, maybe its diff in Virginia :boxing:

I know i like the ones that do hit back, but that was all i had, some of those pieces went 30 feet, that should tell how hard the shot was,

just imagine that shot on the chin, its nighty nite...

I know i like the ones that do hit back, but that was all i had, some of those pieces went 30 feet, that should tell how hard the shot was,
ever hit one of those machines that messure in lbs?

the best all-time, without question one Bobby Hitz.......Rockin'

love ya Bobby

There have only been two and the distinction hasn't been passed down since:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Benny Leonard

ever hit one of those machines that messure in lbs?
yes I have hit them before, i use to ring the bell, but i hurt my wrist bad on one of them, my 14 year old son Brian, can nail that thing, this kid hits hard, he has a good teacher,

yes I have hit them before, i use to ring the bell, but i hurt my wrist bad on one of them, my 14 year old son Brian, can nail that thing, this kid hits hard, he has a good teacher,

Ill be quite honest PPuncher,

I would not want to take that punch standing still. Thats for sure.

How much do you weigh? 250?

For me still ROY JONES JR.....is the best P4P

For me still ROY JONES JR.....is the best P4P

Absolutly! Roy Jones and Frankie Hines. These got to be the best p4p ever, considering the competition they fought, their entertaining style, their ability to end fights quick and their amazing career endings.

Ill be quite honest PPuncher,

I would not want to take that punch standing still. Thats for sure.

How much do you weigh? 250?
275, i need a project, that would help me lose some weight,
with my back like it is, i am not as active as i use to be,
that punch was all 275 pounds behind it,total commitment to the punch,

Sugar Ray Robinson, whoelse

became the undisputed champ of welterweight and went on to become the undisputed champ of middleweight

Marciano put Ali on his knee's filming that computer fight, with a body shot, Ali kept knocking Marciano's hair piece off his head trying to be funny, Rocky told him if he did it again they would be fighting for-real and he did it again and Rocky dropped him, about broke his ribs, even Ali said he could not believe how stong Marciano was, and couldn't imagine him in his prime, Rocky trained for that fight like he was fighting for championship fight, nobody trained like Rocky did, and loss 50 pounds, for a computer fight, thats how serious Marciano took boxing, Marciano would have beat Ali that day if they would have let him,

When was this?How old were them at that time?

When was this?How old were them at that time?
not sure of the dates, and age, but it happin, Marciano was flying home for his 46th birthday, when his plane crashed, he had to be 44 or 45 , Ali was alot younger,

not sure of the dates, and age, but it happin, Marciano was flying home for his 46th birthday, when his plane crashed, he had to be 44 or 45 , Ali was alot younger,

According to Marciano's bio, it was in July of 1969, when he and Ali filmed that computer fight. That was only about a month before Rocky died in that plane crash.

chavez would've put a hurting on robinson

please explain what you mean

Rocky Marciano, never got knocked out like those guys, Marciano said in my prime i could have fought with any Man alive, and i would have put my money on him, and i dont care who he is fighting...

srr was never KOed
ali was never KOed

waht the hell are you talking about?

Larry Homes knocked ali out, Ray Robinson, quit a couple fights, that is a knock out loss,

Larry Homes knocked ali out, Ray Robinson, quit a couple fights, that is a knock out loss,


Ray Robinson is the greatest of all time P4P. Ali was never KO versus Holmes, the fight was stopped Ali never left his feet. As for Marciano being able to beat Ali, get real.

the best all-time, without question one Bobby Hitz.......Rockin'

love ya Bobby

hehe

was bobby tough in the gym? when you saw him spar, was he passive in the ring or did he drop full power hooks from the first bell?

Marciano throws alot more punches and hits alot harder than Joe Frazier, what do think Marciano would have done to Ali's onion, Marciano can run faster forward, than Ali can backwards, he would catch Ali sooner or later, and Marciano dont need but one punch, he could end a fight at any second, we will never know, i know i would pick Marciano,

Marciano throws alot more punches and hits alot harder than Joe Frazier, what do think Marciano would have done to Ali's onion, Marciano can run faster forward, than Ali can backwards, he would catch Ali sooner or later, and Marciano dont need but one punch, he could end a fight at any second, we will never know, i know i would pick Marciano,
marciano...the best of all time,he reigns supreme in heavyweights-unbeatable....only death crashing him down...but not his opponent! :boxing:

Marciano throws alot more punches and hits alot harder than Joe Frazier, what do think Marciano would have done to Ali's onion, Marciano can run faster forward, than Ali can backwards, he would catch Ali sooner or later, and Marciano dont need but one punch, he could end a fight at any second, we will never know, i know i would pick Marciano,





We do know because logic and reason tells us. Marciano fought in a time when Heavyweights were smaller, he himself was 185lbs. He was knocked down a few times by fighters who were barely 200 lbs. Logic and reason tells us that if this man of 185 lbs. was knocked down a few times by fighters who were barely 200 lbs, then he surely would get knocked down and worse by a fighter who was over 210 lbs. with superior skills to the men who fought in Marciano's era. Also Marciano's resume is overated he beat an old Joe Louis and lots of tomatoe cans and also hardly fought any black fighters as compared to the level of competition that modern fighters face black opponents today.

I am absoloutely staggered that people are not voting for Joe Louis. Joe beat 6 men that held the undisputed heavyweight championship and reigned for nearly twelve years(a record).
If we judge athletes on accomplishments then Joe is the best.

Sugar Ray Robinson

hehe

was bobby tough in the gym? when you saw him spar, was he passive in the ring or did he drop full power hooks from the first bell?


bobby was and probably still is a tough guy. When I saw Bobby in the ring he worked good and hard. He really didnt have many guys to work with except a guy named craig Payne. Craig never did much because of his training habits but he was a skilled fighter. Craig actually beat Tefellio Stevenson in the amatuers before turning pro. Bobby wasnt as skilled as craig but he made that up in heart and desire. I dont know how much amatuer experience he had. Bobby was a tough guy, plain and simple........Rockin'

By the way slipx, you are very interested in Bobby, do you know him.

Greatest. (http://www.ibhof.com/robinson.htm)

Marciano put Ali on his knee's filming that computer fight, with a body shot, Ali kept knocking Marciano's hair piece off his head trying to be funny, Rocky told him if he did it again they would be fighting for-real and he did it again and Rocky dropped him, about broke his ribs, even Ali said he could not believe how stong Marciano was, and couldn't imagine him in his prime, Rocky trained for that fight like he was fighting for championship fight, nobody trained like Rocky did, and loss 50 pounds, for a computer fight, thats how serious Marciano took boxing, Marciano would have beat Ali that day if they would have let him,
:dunce: oooppps watch out with the pole. :rolleyes: