Brock has alot of unfinished business yet and is being hyped way to much. He beat an old Randy Couture and beat Mir laying/praying. IMO their are plenty of heavyweights who would give Brock a good fight and give him plenty of things to think about...It's only a matter of time before Brock is exposed again like in his first fight with Mir. I think saying Brock is unstoppable is nonsense, his skills arn't that good unless he lays and prays on his opponent. It's only a matter of time before he is exposed again and will be knocked out. Yeah that's right Brock will get knocked the **** out sooner or later.

Thank you Mr.Obvious.

I agree but most of the guys who really know about MMA know that. Brock probably has a weak chin, doesn't have good stand up and had a hard time against the much smaller and much skilled Couture. Velazquez, Carwin and Big Nog could probably beat him.
Mir was also overrated and got lucky against a sick Nogueira.

Brock has alot of unfinished business yet and is being hyped way to much. He beat an old Randy Couture and beat Mir laying/praying. IMO their are plenty of heavyweights who would give Brock a good fight and give him plenty of things to think about...It's only a matter of time before Brock is exposed again like in his first fight with Mir. I think saying Brock is unstoppable is nonsense, his skills arn't that good unless he lays and prays on his opponent. It's only a matter of time before he is exposed again and will be knocked out. Yeah that's right Brock will get knocked the **** out sooner or later.

I'm not an MMA expert but I like MMA. The term 'Lay and Pray' means a fighter controls an opponent on the ground but doesn't inflict any damage on his opponent and prays for a decision victory.

Brock Lesnar controlled Mir and Herring on the ground but IMO didn't just lay there and pray for a decision. He pounded both of them and inflicted a lot of damage on both Herring and Mir's face. Plus those knees to Herring's body were sick.

Frank Mir is blooded and swollen
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Heath Herring
http://www.mmabrawl.com/images/Heath-Herring.jpg

I'm not hating on you and I agree Brock Lesnar has not been properly tested and only time will tell if he is the real deal or not!

Brock has alot of unfinished business yet and is being hyped way to much. He beat an old Randy Couture and beat Mir laying/praying. IMO their are plenty of heavyweights who would give Brock a good fight and give him plenty of things to think about...It's only a matter of time before Brock is exposed again like in his first fight with Mir. I think saying Brock is unstoppable is nonsense, his skills arn't that good unless he lays and prays on his opponent. It's only a matter of time before he is exposed again and will be knocked out. Yeah that's right Brock will get knocked the **** out sooner or later.

Also I think he has more skill than people give him credit for. His size and strength do play a huge part in his fights but he does have good technique and looked good in training grappling, using and avoiding submissions (see Video below)

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how can u say Brock lay n prayed mir in the 2nd fight?

did u see his face after that fight?

brock is far far from unstoppable but he is a steadily improving fighter

Brock is a legit top 5 heavyweight but showed some weaknesses. I watched his fight against Couture a second time and Couture was on his way to beat him, until he got KOed by this huge haymaker. Lesnar has great wrestling, and mad power but his stand up sucks and chin is still questionable.( he looked heart by Mir after the big knee).
I wnt to see lesnar against Cain Velazquez who's probably the best young american Heavyweight today.

Brock will have a major test against Shane Carwin at 106. Carwin is a monster just like brock. should be a good fight

Not really. Lesnar has the far better wrestling credentials and Lesnar has faced the better competition.

Carwins best win is over Gonzaga and thats his ONLY good win.

Lesnat beats Carwin, quite easily in my opinion.

He's overrated if people think he's on Fedor's level. Fedor would buttrape him.

I agree with everything but I'm willing to bet that he has a pretty good chin just based on the size of his neck and weight.

I would rather question his ability/heart to take the pain that comes from being hit multiple times by a good striker.

He still has a lot to learn as he only has 5 fights but, he's better then most though he would be.

He seems to improve every fight also, good for him.

This is not the subject but i've been very impressed with the big white dude who's 23 and knocked out a 10-1 in 7 seconds. I heard he was a good wrestler.
Tedd Duff is his name i think, the man has some potential, hope to see him fighting soon.

Brock has alot of unfinished business yet and is being hyped way to much.

Yes, so much unfinished business that the only opponent left for him was Shane Carwin. Look, he dominated Mir for the majority of their first fight, then beat a tough Herring, then went on to anhialate Mir. He's faced better opposition in his first 5 fights (besides his first fight) than any fighter in the sport's history.

He beat an old Randy Couture and beat Mir laying/praying.

Randy Couture was old when he got into MMA, and hasn't slowed up since. He's hardly even lost a step since UFC 13. In fact, his boxing is far superior now, and his conditioning looks to be right up there as well.

He beat Mir by destroying his half guard and putting him in defenseless positions, then beating his face in like a drum. Did you see how many times he trapped Mir's arm and was raining down strikes. That wasn't luck, it was superior wrestling and positioning.

IMO their are plenty of heavyweights who would give Brock a good fight and give him plenty of things to think about...

And at the top of that list has to be the guy he's fighting next.

It's only a matter of time before Brock is exposed again like in his first fight with Mir.

Why is it that when any other fighter doesn't win, he just loses. But when its someone who YOU want to lose, he gets exposed. If he loses again, he will have done just that. Lost. Nothing more. He will come back and fight again, just like everyone else.

He isn't going anywhere, if that's what you're implying.

I think saying Brock is unstoppable is nonsense, his skills arn't that good unless he lays and prays on his opponent. It's only a matter of time before he is exposed again and will be knocked out. Yeah that's right Brock will get knocked the **** out sooner or later.

LOL @ his skills aren't that good.

He's a wrestler, and a damn good one at that. Its his combination of size, agility, speed, and wrestling that make him a matchup nightmare.

He might lose, but again, why would him losing be him getting 'exposed' ?

Was Frank Mir 'exposed' when Brock beat him?

Was GSP 'exposed' when he lost to Serra?

The way you're talking makes me think Brock ****ed you sister or something. Why you mad?

http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/08/27/brett-rogers-when-i-beat-fedor-ill-become-the-god-of-mma/#cont


Do you think Brock Lesnar is overrated?

Brett Rogers: Yeah. Yeah, actually, I do. Brock is overrated. I mean, look at how many fights he's had; he's had a handful fights. He's only showcased that he's just a wrestler and a ground-and-pounder. I mean, he hasn't fought anybody the same size as him. So it's going to get to that point when that happens it really is going to showcase Brock's talent.

Over rated I don't think so... Only time will tell but have you ever seen a guy that big - that FAST? Pretty incredible...

Over rated I don't think so... Only time will tell but have you ever seen a guy that big - that FAST? Pretty incredible...

it's still irrelevant if you're not well rounded:boxing:

Brock would have problems against a good striker with good reach.. like a cro-cop

it's still irrelevant if you're not well rounded:boxing:

Not really. Randy Couture is very well rounded. Brock might be a trailer park piece of trash but his size+speed is very relevant.

LOL @ Brett Rogers calling anyone overrated. All he's done in his career is beat cans, and knock out a glass chinned Arlovski.

I can't wait until Fedor takes him down and rips his arm out of its' socket.


Here's my take on the notion that Brock is overrated:

He was set up for failure when he got into the UFC. No one in the sport's recent history has had to face the level of opposition he's had to face in his first 4 fights, and he's beaten the UFC's best, minus Big Nog, and beaten them convincingly.

How can you say someone is overrated, when that person has already, with 5 fights under his belt, practically walked through some of the best heavyweights in the world ?

LOL @ Brett Rogers calling anyone overrated. All he's done in his career is beat cans, and knock out a glass chinned Arlovski.

I can't wait until Fedor takes him down and rips his arm out of its' socket.


Here's my take on the notion that Brock is overrated:

He was set up for failure when he got into the UFC. No one in the sport's recent history has had to face the level of opposition he's had to face in his first 4 fights, and he's beaten the UFC's best, minus Big Nog, and beaten them convincingly.

How can you say someone is overrated, when that person has already, with 5 fights under his belt, practically walked through some of the best heavyweights in the world ?
He got beat by, and later beat an overrated Mir, a shell of the former Heath Herring and a 45 year old Couture who was coming off a 15 month layoff.

He wasn't set up to fail, he was hyped into a title. Brock is very overrated.

Well, yeah.

Brock would have problems against a good striker with good reach.. like a cro-cop
What I wouldn't give to see Crocop headkick Brock Lesnar.

What I wouldn't give to see Crocop headkick Brock Lesnar.

Yes!.. If that jabroni Crocop gets his sh1t together and strings a few w's together, he'd get the chance to LHK that goofy ogre and all would be right with the world.

yea i got a feeling carwin is gonna ko brock. u cant say brock has more wrestling experience. they both college wrestling champs. brock wont have a crazy size and strength advantage either they are almost the same. brock having a edge in size. but overall carwin has more mma experience and knows how to deal with situations. what will brock do when hes on his back

yea i got a feeling carwin is gonna ko brock. u cant say brock has more wrestling experience. they both college wrestling champs. brock wont have a crazy size and strength advantage either they are almost the same. brock having a edge in size. but overall carwin has more mma experience and knows how to deal with situations. what will brock do when hes on his back

Shane Carwin isn't much bigger than Frank Mir. They're both about 255-260. Brock blows up to about 275-280 on fight night. Also Carwin only wrestled at the division II level. Another thing is that GG took Shane down. If GG can, Lesnar will with ease. Still I'd like to see Carwin lay the smackdown!

Shane Carwin isn't much bigger than Frank Mir. They're both about 255-260. Brock blows up to about 275-280 on fight night. Also Carwin only wrestled at the division II level. Another thing is that GG took Shane down. If GG can, Lesnar will with ease. Still I'd like to see Carwin lay the smackdown!
Gonzaga took him down when Carwin was stunned from a punch.

I do consider Brock the more powerful wrestler, and it's true that Brock wrestled at a higher level in division 1 (though, let's not forget, he only wrestled 2 years NCAA and spent his first 2 years in jr. college). Still, Shane is a 2 sport All-American in football and wrestling, and he has fought his way into this position, unlike Brock who was hyped into it. I'll take the guy who has fought his way to the dinner table any day of the week.

yea i got a feeling carwin is gonna ko brock. u cant say brock has more wrestling experience. they both college wrestling champs. brock wont have a crazy size and strength advantage either they are almost the same. brock having a edge in size. but overall carwin has more mma experience and knows how to deal with situations. what will brock do when hes on his back

i'm not saying its impossible but i dont see carwin puttin lesnar on his back, at least not with wrestling. they were both collegiate champs, but lesnar was d-1, carwin was d-2, huge difference in competition level.

i'm interested to see how carwin does off his back if he's taken down.

frankly i dont see it going to the ground, at least not from takedowns. it will be slugfest, with the first good shot ending the fight. whether it comes from lesnar or carwin is the question

MMA hasn't seen a fighter that size of that caliber since the rebirth of the UFC and possibly before. Brock is extremely fast for a big man and his strength maybe unparalleled in the UFC at least.

Brock ain't overrated he's definitely BIG TROUBLE for anyone in the HW division. This of course doesn't mean he won't be stopped anytime soon though. Never can tell in this sport.

Brock legitimized himself by stopping Mir in my eyes. I mean you gotta hand it to him ya know, comes in and manhandles Mir but gets caught in a submission, then he goes onto grind out a decision vs. Herring, then he beats Couture(although Couture was starting to really take it), and finally avenges his loss to mir. Not the best record, but impressive for a guy with 5 fights under his belt. I do want to see him tested against a good striker though, he looked extremely uncomfortable against Couture, and everytime Mir hit him he looked scared, I wanna see how he deals with Carwin landing that big right of his, although I do think that Brock's wrestling is superior to Carwins and he'll be able to take defend his belt with that. But then again his cardio doesn't look all that amazing either, against another good wrestler in Couture he was gassing in the 2nd. If Carwin can put that pressure on him or at least keep him on his toes it'll make for a real interesting fight.


And for the record, seeing how god of shape Nogueira has gotten back into, I think he'd take Brock's belt too. WAR NOG!

MMA hasn't seen a fighter that size of that caliber since the rebirth of the UFC and possibly before. Brock is extremely fast for a big man and his strength maybe unparalleled in the UFC at least.

Brock ain't overrated he's definitely BIG TROUBLE for anyone in the HW division. This of course doesn't mean he won't be stopped anytime soon though. Never can tell in this sport.

I suppose it depends on who's ranking. I certainly disagree with him being at #2. And there are also the UFC propagandists and fanboys saying he's better than Fedor.

Eh, I think he's the best mma fighter on the planet to be honest. Nowhere near the best resume, but the best at this moment.

I'm not a fan of his post-fight antics though.

Brock legitimized himself by stopping Mir in my eyes. I mean you gotta hand it to him ya know, comes in and manhandles Mir but gets caught in a submission, then he goes onto grind out a decision vs. Herring, then he beats Couture(although Couture was starting to really take it), and finally avenges his loss to mir. Not the best record, but impressive for a guy with 5 fights under his belt. I do want to see him tested against a good striker though, he looked extremely uncomfortable against Couture, and everytime Mir hit him he looked scared, I wanna see how he deals with Carwin landing that big right of his, although I do think that Brock's wrestling is superior to Carwins and he'll be able to take defend his belt with that. But then again his cardio doesn't look all that amazing either, against another good wrestler in Couture he was gassing in the 2nd. If Carwin can put that pressure on him or at least keep him on his toes it'll make for a real interesting fight.


And for the record, seeing how god of shape Nogueira has gotten back into, I think he'd take Brock's belt too. WAR NOG!

Frank Mir beat Brock with a leg lock in the first fight, which was essentially all he had. In the rematch, Brock basically only had to worry about not getting caught in the same move. This is why most of the second fight was spent in the half-guard. Mir was was trying to target Brock's legs and was essentially pinned in the position (I'd need to watch the fight a couple more times to really analyze it, so take this with a grain of salt).

Viewed in this light (and yes, maybe a bit of revisionist history here) I don't think the result is very surprising. And even so, Mir managed to stun Brock with a flying knee.

I really don't think Brock has been tested. Mir is overrated in my eyes, based on a pre-motorcycle crash victory over ****ing Tim Sylvia and a win against an ailing and potentially past-his-prime Nog.

Heath Herring is a former fringe contender who is seemingly passed his prime after a lot of fights. Couture was 45 and coming off a 15 month layoff.

Imo, he has beaten 2 shells and an overrated douche. He hasn't really been tested in my eyes.

MMA hasn't seen a fighter that size of that caliber since the rebirth of the UFC and possibly before. Brock is extremely fast for a big man and his strength maybe unparalleled in the UFC at least.

Brock ain't overrated he's definitely BIG TROUBLE for anyone in the HW division. This of course doesn't mean he won't be stopped anytime soon though. Never can tell in this sport.

I suppose it depends on who's ranking. I certainly disagree with him being at #2. And there are also the UFC propagandists and fanboys saying he's better than Fedor.

Eh, I think he's the best mma fighter on the planet to be honest. Nowhere near the best resume, but the best at this moment.

See what I mean?

See what I mean?

Just my opinion. I think people make too much out of being well rounded these days.

He got beat by, and later beat an overrated Mir, a shell of the former Heath Herring and a 45 year old Couture who was coming off a 15 month layoff.

He wasn't set up to fail, he was hyped into a title. Brock is very overrated.

Mir being overrated is your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But the fact is that Mir was a top 5 heavyweight both times they fought, and the general consensus was that Mir was the second best heavyweight the second time they fought across the board. Brock anhialated him.

Do a comparison of Brock Lesnar's first five MMA opponents, and Shane Carwin's first five MMA opponents, and you'll see, that there is no comparison.

Brock was given the opportunities that he was because of his marketability. He capitalized on the opportunities. Where is this hype you speak of?

If anything, Brock's skills were questioned coming into the sport because of his pro-wrestling stint.


Still, Shane is a 2 sport All-American in football and wrestling, and he has fought his way into this position, unlike Brock who was hyped into it. I'll take the guy who has fought his way to the dinner table any day of the week.

Shane beat a bunch of cans, the only fighter on his resume that is even fairly impressive is Gonzaga. Wellisch is the next best known guy who holds an astounding 11-13 record in MMA, who also by the way, wobbled Carwin in their fight.

And again. Brock was given the opportunities he had because Dana White knew it would do big business. The move paid dividends, and Brock took advantage.

The fact of the matter is that Brock has fought a much higher level of opposition than Shane has even in 6 more fights.

There is no comparison.

The fact is that its amazing that Brock was even able to compete at the level he's competed at with the limited experience in the sport the he has.