Tucker thinks that Andrew should be considered the 2nd best heavyweight at this time because of his excelent outings in his last 2 fights.Vitaly would obviously be at the top but I can't think of anyone else that should be considered number 2 apart from Golotta. Do you agree with TNT's ascessment on this matter?
Later brother brologs. P.s Please don't tell me that Golotta lost his last 2 fights-You know excactly what I mean.

You can't say Golota is number two he has not won his last two fights. He may have been robbed against Ruiz but Golota should have KO'D this guy and rid us of this bore! IMO although Golota seems to be controlled now, he is not the same fighter that beat up on Bowe.

Chris Byrd is probably the No.2 Heavy at the moment

Let's pretend that Golota didn't lose his last two fights. He won them. If he beats brewster than he has succesfully cleaned out the division, except for Vitali. Then he would be an easy number 2 (At least).

But what about Fres, I think that Fres beat Bryd. I think he was wrongfully stopped against Ruiz. I think he could have won that one too. Why isn't fres number two?

The fact is almost winning fights is not winning them. Thats why Golota is maybe number 5 or something. Not number 2

You can't say Golota is number two he has not won his last two fights. He may have been robbed against Ruiz but Golota should have KO'D this guy and rid us of this bore! IMO although Golota seems to be controlled now, he is not the same fighter that beat up on Bowe.

Chris Byrd is probably the No.2 Heavy at the moment
I understand what your saying, but I think that Golotta really beat Byrd-I have read reports that say he was robbed in that fight with Byrd. I have only seen the clips of that fight myself though I must admit. Later brother brologs.

Byrd could beat Golota 10 out of 10 times if they fought repeatedly.

Chris Byrd is the #2 HW, and rightfully so.

I think a strong argument is made that he should be the #1 HW,

considering his TKO victory over the man everyone is saying the

best is.

In the reports that I have read on the last few Heavyweight fights Byrd should of lost against Fres and Golota, Ruiz should of lost against Golota and was lucky with Fres.

I like you see Golota at about 5 or 6 in a very weak division

Golota is definitly still a force, he really should beat Brewster when they meet, if he does not win that then I don't know ehere he can go.

A fight with Klitchko may well bring out the old fouling Golota as I think Vitali will dominate that particular fight and intimidate Golota.

Byrd could beat Golota 10 out of 10 times if they fought repeatedly.

Chris Byrd is the #2 HW, and rightfully so.

I think a strong argument is made that he should be the #1 HW,

considering his TKO victory over the man everyone is saying the

best is.



by TKO u mean losing 9-1 and vitali having to stop because of a shoulder injury of course he is number 1 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

not every win or lose is what it seems u have to look at alot of things

by TKO u mean losing 9-1 and vitali having to stop because of a shoulder injury of course he is number 1 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

not every win or lose is what it seems u have to look at alot of things

It is exactly like Byrd said. "Were in a hurt sport". If you cant continue, you forefit. If you forefit:

you lose.

I don't understand your rankings. Because in fact Andrew Golota did lose his last 2 fights. So by what criteria do have him ranked at #2?

I understand what your saying, but I think that Golotta really beat Byrd-I have read reports that say he was robbed in that fight with Byrd. I have only seen the clips of that fight myself though I must admit. Later brother brologs.


Yeah, he was robbed in that fight. The ref should've called a KD and didn't, and I really felt that Golotta did better work than Byrd. I had him up by a couple without counting the knockdown, another guy I watched the fight with had him up by 1. It was pretty close, but we all felt Golotta should've pulled off the win. And the Ruiz fight was a farce, as with all Ruiz fights, and any time Ruiz pulls the bum-rush/clinch more than 6 times in a round, I score the round for his opponent...which means that I haven't given a round to Ruiz in year.

Byrd could beat Golota 10 out of 10 times if they fought repeatedly.

Chris Byrd is the #2 HW, and rightfully so.

I think a strong argument is made that he should be the #1 HW,

considering his TKO victory over the man everyone is saying the

best is.


Do you prefer to use paperwork to rank fighters, or their actual performances? I prefer the latter, myself, but to each his own. Byrd was losing miserably in that fight, even after Klitchko ripped a rotator cuff in round 4, so I'd hardly call that a career-defining "win". Yes, he got the TKO, but would you be willing to put cold-hard-cash on the line in the hopes that would happen a second time? The answer to that question is probably a good indicator of how you really feel about how he did in that fight.

i agree
boxing aint all about knockouts
and how the hell u supposed to knock out john ruiz if he's hugging u the whole fight
i would give MAD props to someone if they were actually able to ko him now

Do you prefer to use paperwork to rank fighters, or their actual performances? I prefer the latter, myself, but to each his own. Byrd was losing miserably in that fight, even after Klitchko ripped a rotator cuff in round 4, so I'd hardly call that a career-defining "win". Yes, he got the TKO, but would you be willing to put cold-hard-cash on the line in the hopes that would happen a second time? The answer to that question is probably a good indicator of how you really feel about how he did in that fight.

Im willing to put cash on Byrd against Golota. Yes.

Golota will have to "decisevly" take his belt from him.

Many people think Golota was robbed, but the same always happens in boxing. Like the announcers claiming that Zab needed a knockout in ST. Louis to become the Undisputed Welterweight Champ. You have to really beat someone bad, or else it does not show that you earned the title.

Im willing to put cash on Byrd against Golota. Yes.

Golota will have to "decisevly" take his belt from him.

Many people think Golota was robbed, but the same always happens in boxing. Like the announcers claiming that Zab needed a knockout in ST. Louis to become the Undisputed Welterweight Champ. You have to really beat someone bad, or else it does not show that you earned the title.


Against Golotta? I thought we were talking Klitchko, sir :)

Agreed that a title bout should be a decisive win, I'm just telling you how our cards looked when they were turned face up after the fight. And trust me when I say, I take scoring rounds very seriously and never slide a little for a fighter I like. And even if that weren't true, I like Byrd. He's a nice guy, a real class act, and has managed something not many guys his size could, so if I were going to slide my scoring to one side, it'd have been his way, not Golottas..but like I said, I don't do that, and I felt like Golotta squeezed out a slim victory.

Against Golotta? I thought we were talking Klitchko.

I would bet on a Byrd/Wlad fight. Not Byrd/Vitali.

I don't understand your rankings. Because in fact Andrew Golota did lose his last 2 fights. So by what criteria do have him ranked at #2?

Actually Golota did NOT lose his last 2 fights dummy... He lost to Ruiz and had a DRAW with Byrd! So obviously you don't understand a lot more than just rankings.

I would bet on a Byrd/Wlad fight. Not Byrd/Vitali.

Did you see the first Byrd/Wlad fight? Cause any sane person would put there money on Wlad in a rematch!

I would bet on a Byrd/Wlad fight. Not Byrd/Vitali.


Byrd won't beat Vlad, Too much is made of Vlad's chin, where as I see it it's mainly a stamina problem. If he can pace himself in a fight then he will have no problems with Byrd again.

I doubt very much whether Byrd can KO or hurt Vlad

Byrd could beat Golota 10 out of 10 times if they fought repeatedly.

Chris Byrd is the #2 HW, and rightfully so.

I think a strong argument is made that he should be the #1 HW,

considering his TKO victory over the man everyone is saying the

best is.
You are ****ing delusional. If Byrd can beat Golota 10 out 10 times then why the **** did that ***** Byrd refuse to give Golota a rematch? He knew he escaped that night with a gift from the judges and the ref who should have called two, yes that's right, two knockdowns when Byrd's gloves touched the canvas when he was hunched over.

Tucker thinks that Andrew should be considered the 2nd best heavyweight at this time because of his excelent outings in his last 2 fights.Vitaly would obviously be at the top but I can't think of anyone else that should be considered number 2 apart from Golotta. Do you agree with TNT's ascessment on this matter?
Later brother brologs. P.s Please don't tell me that Golotta lost his last 2 fights-You know excactly what I mean.

In terms of ability and promise, I would have to rank Wlad @ #2 (let the flaming begin!), but I would put Andrzej at #3 right behind him.

Byrd could beat Golota 10 out of 10 times if they fought repeatedly.

Chris Byrd is the #2 HW, and rightfully so.

I think a strong argument is made that he should be the #1 HW,

considering his TKO victory over the man everyone is saying the

best is.


That, my friend, was not a victory for Byrd, and everyone knows it. Vitali was handing Chris his ass the entire fight, much like his brother did shortly afterwards,until the injury.

Not sure if golota is the worlds second best.

Id say he and byrd share the second place, they should rematch.

I watched both Bowe vs Golota fights again last night along with Golota's fight against Grant. I have the three on one tape. The first fight with Bowe was ****ing great. One for the ages until those lowlife scumbags jumped in the ring like a bunch of baboons. I was just so disturbed at how Golota just totally blew his opportunity. He took an opportunity of a lifetime and just flushed the ****ing thing down the toilet. Getting disqualified in the second fight is a bit more understandable because he was exhausted and he tried everything he could to knock Bowe out and Bowe just would not stay down and he was probably on the verge of losing that fight on points even though he destroyed Bowe because of all Golota's point deductions. Against Grant he was winning the fight heading into the 10th round 86-81 and even after the knockdown he suffers in the round, the worst the score could have gone was 94-91 and he still had the 11th and 12th rounds to sneak out a decision or go for the KO of Grant but he just quit like a ****ing wimp. If he can't beat Brewster then he should get the **** out of the fight game and become a truck driver.

Even if Golota didn't lost the last fights in the fans eyes he also didn't win them as he should. So, he don't have the krown and he should not be put before Byrd and Ruiz (this actualy sucks). That left him the #4 in my eyes. If he win over Brewster he can easily jump before Byrd and Ruiz proving that he was realy robbed.

I can see then the remtach with Byrd (this should be easest), Ruiz (he will be eager to fight because he want unification) or even take a shot at Vitali (that would be huge and unique - 4'th time consecutive shot at different title). I personaly would like to see first the remaches in the initial order. The only problem right now is .... Brewster.

there's NO way i can rate a guy who's NEVER beaten another top contender #2.... golota has LOST every single major fight he's been in... even if u think he was robbed by byrd and ruiz, he was still KTFO by grant, lewis and tyson and choked against bowe... he doesn own a win over ONE decent fighter....

I was at Golota/Ruiz and its a shame how he got robbed against Ruiz.