Hasim Rahman. Or should I say Hasbeen Rahman? clip of that here (http://s19.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2CSNISP0JRGAQ2Y9DW3HRGZVC8)

This guy has kept in contention by getting in what amounts to a lucky punch against a fat, unfocussed Lennox who was laughing in his face before it happened (and breathing hard due to the high altitude) and that was four years ago.

After that Rahman went five fights before winning one. He's got big reach (82") and a hard right, but this is a man who lost to Evander Holyfield in an era where everyone's beating Holyfield. Hell, even Holyfield's postman gives him a *****-slap these days. He also legitimately lost - despite his refusal to admit it - against the grab master, Ruiz.

Now everyone's hyping up his "comeback" because he TKOed Kali Meehan in four rounds? Hell, Danny Williams - a guy routinely derided on this board and absolutely destroyed by Klistchko - TKOed Meehan in 32 seconds. Continuing this analogy, Williams's original opponent post-Tyson was Oleg Maskaev... a man who KOed Rahman in 8 rounds.

Rahman is credited with skill he simply doesn't possess due to one win in 2001... and in April he will be blown to bits.

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Hasim Rahman. Or should I say Hasbeen Rahman? clip of that here (http://s19.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2CSNISP0JRGAQ2Y9DW3HRGZVC8)

This guy has kept in contention by getting in what amounts to a lucky punch against a fat, unfocussed Lennox who was laughing in his face before it happened (and breathing hard due to the high altitude) and that was four years ago.

After that Rahman went five fights before winning one. He's got big reach (82") and a hard right, but this is a man who lost to Evander Holyfield in an era where everyone's beating Holyfield. Hell, even Holyfield's postman gives him a *****-slap these days. He also legitimately lost - despite his refusal to admit it - against the grab master, Ruiz.

Now everyone's hyping up his "comeback" because he TKOed Kali Meehan in four rounds? Hell, Danny Williams - a guy routinely derided on this board and absolutely destroyed by Klistchko - TKOed Meehan in 32 seconds. Continuing this analogy, Williams's original opponent post-Tyson was Oleg Maskaev... a man who KOed Rahman in 8 rounds.

Rahman is credited with skill he simply doesn't possess due to one win in 2001... and in April he will be blown to bits.

You got some good points but wouldnt say that williams is better than rahman no way.

Most overrated is Ruiz, he has no skills beside strong hugg and stamina.

Most overrated is Ruiz, he has no skills beside strong hugg and stamina.

no he aint overrated everyone agrees that he sucks ass

my opinion its lamon brewster, or is it lemon brewster...

my opinion its lamon brewster, or is it lemon brewster...

nah, most agree that he sucks too.

How about brewster-ruiz not too find out who is best, but to find out who is worse.

I think Danny Williams is the most overhyped fighter.

His most notable battle: A knockout of a Mike Tyson shell.

lol for instead of counting posts it should count threads startedI know, I've got the flu. Gotta occupy myself, sorry! :)

To be honest, I don't think any of the current heavyweights are overrated.

The most overrated fighters today are:

cotto,hatton,calzaghe

imo Mesi is overrated a bit but not anything like the aformentioned 3 names.

I know, I've got the flu. Gotta occupy myself, sorry! :)

youve had the flu for 2 weeks? i suggest theraflu pm

Samuel Peter is in my mind the most overated Heavy at the moment. Some are saying he's the future of the division, but to me he's one dimensional and crude and a decent heavy will outclass him

Samuel Peter is in my mind the most overated Heavy at the moment. Some are saying he's the future of the division, but to me he's one dimensional and crude and a decent heavy will outclass him

I agree. I dont think he is the most "overrated" because IMO, Danny Williams is the posterboy for that category. Peter is a tank: big and powerful, but also 1 dimmensional and slow. I personally think he is taylormade for any decent HW fighter. Im pretty sure he will run out of gas, after a decent body attack mounted against him.

As for Danny Williams: well look at his last outing.
People in forums all over were speculating as to his chance at
beating VK. If you are promoting a fighter and want their name in the spotlight, then set him up against Mike Tyson. Tyson could be 100 years old, and still fighting. People would recieve credit for wins against him.

Much like he recieved credit for the stiffs he beat in his prime.

Williams got alot more credit than he deserved for the Tyson win. That fight was more due to Tyson's injury than Danny getting stronger. What kind of shocked me and pretty much somes up Boxing at the moment, is that he got a titleshot straight away.

I think Danny Williams was way overhyped by the media for that win, i've followed his carrer for a while now, he was terrible against Julius Francis and Michael Sprott, and got badly KO'D by Samil Sam. I for one did not think he had a hope in hell of beating Vitali

I think williams lost a lot of his heat after he got knocked out by Klitschko though. I say the most overrated is definitely Brewster.

I think williams lost a lot of his heat after he got knocked out by Klitschko though. I say the most overrated is definitely Brewster.

If you want to create a list of overrated HW's. Brewster would be top 5. My mini overrated HW list would include:

1. Williams
2. Brewster
3. Mesi
4. Barrett
5. Peter

Tyson damn near 6th most overrated. Everyone thinks he is going to become invincible again. That is surely not going to happen.

most overrated is williams

Vitali is overrated.
He isn't an exciting fighter. The guy makes boxing look bad. Look how he fights. The only reason no one says anything about it is that he knocks people out, he's the real champ, and there is one guy who makes boxing look worse than he does and that guy's name is John Ruiz..

Vitali is overrated.
He isn't an exciting fighter. The guy makes boxing look bad. Look how he fights. The only reason no one says anything about it is that he knocks people out, he's the real champ, and there is one guy who makes boxing look worse than he does and that guy's name is John Ruiz..



You made me chuckle ;)

I expected most of the posts to contain the name Klitchko, but not a mention until yours.

Actually, for me he is exciting. You never know what's going to happen, you just know there's gonna be fireworks, because Klitchko has a high work rate, and he forces the same from his opponents, or they risk being slowly beaten into the canvas. I've said it before, and I'll say it again here...he's so clumsy-looking sometimes, I actually cringe in my seat, but like I said....there's going to be fireworks, no matter what else happens. And the real kicker is that, as bad as he can look, he gets the job done. You can't dislike that, now, really. ;)

You made me chuckle ;)

I expected most of the posts to contain the name Klitchko, but not a mention until yours.

Actually, for me he is exciting. You never know what's going to happen, you just know there's gonna be fireworks, because Klitchko has a high work rate, and he forces the same from his opponents, or they risk being slowly beaten into the canvas. I've said it before, and I'll say it again here...he's so clumsy-looking sometimes, I actually cringe in my seat, but like I said....there's going to be fireworks, no matter what else happens. And the real kicker is that, as bad as he can look, he gets the job done. You can't dislike that, now, really. ;)

Yeah, I agree. With his style (which I actually think is a hinderance), and his akward footwork, it's almost a mystery as to how he stays on his feet and doesn't get hit more than he does, but so far he's managed to dodge the bullet, only time will tell for how long. I actually would like him to stick around awhile, he's a nice guy, it's about time a nice guy finished first lol

my vote goes to Wlad, guy hasn't done anything in years but still people expect him to be champ, guy has no heart...and for that same reason, a close second is Lamon Brewster

my vote goes to Wlad, guy hasn't done anything in years but still people expect him to be champ, guy has no heart...and for that same reason, a close second is Lamon Brewster

I agree with you on this one. Brewster is more of a fraud than an overrated fighter though.

My vote goes to Wlad.

I agree with you on this one. Brewster is more of a fraud than an overrated fighter though.

Not sure, i thought i recalled his name being mentioned in Top 10 conversations. Maybe he should win the "Most Overrated by Themselves" :-) THEN he wins for sure!! :-)

My vote goes to Wlad.


His stock has bottomed out since his last few fights, he could hardly be considered overrated now, I think.

Byrd would be my initial pick as "overrated"...he's a title holder with a good record, but here again, anybody who knows boxing knows he's not a serious heavyweight, just a slick fighter who's made a place for himself in the division, so even he probably isn't overrated.

I'd have to pick Samuel Peter as the most "overrated", if you want to be particular about the term. He's barely a prospect, yet been talked up everywhere, both on TV and on every boxing forum, but the guy is slow, has a very low work-rate, and is FAT. Yep, he has a big punch, but little else, and he'd be a punching bag for any title holder but Byrd, and I'd probably even pick Ruiz to beat Peter. If he were to get rid of the spare tire, do some roadwork, and improve his arsenal and skills he could be something, but for now he's highly overrated.

Byrd would be my initial pick as "overrated"...he's a title holder with a good record, but here again, anybody who knows boxing knows he's not a serious heavyweight, just a slick fighter who's made a place for himself in the division, so even he probably isn't overrated.


I could not disagree more. Chris Byrd is one of the most underrated fighters in boxing. He has been an excellent fighter for a long time, and has been no where near a p4p list.

I could not disagree more. Chris Byrd is one of the most underrated fighters in boxing. He has been an excellent fighter for a long time, and has been no where near a p4p list.

Yes, he is an excellant boxer, but he just doesn't have the size to be highly effective at heavy. He should be a light heavy, or cruiser, if he could get down that far. He's a really slick fighter, hard to hit and has great feet, but just doesn't pack the punch he needs as a heavy, which is why I say that, as a heavyweight, he's overrated, at least on paper. In reality, though, I think most know that he's not in the running to be holder of a unified title and undisputed champ.

Yes, he is an excellant boxer, but he just doesn't have the size to be highly effective at heavy. He should be a light heavy, or cruiser, if he could get down that far. He's a really slick fighter, hard to hit and has great feet, but just doesn't pack the punch he needs as a heavy, which is why I say that, as a heavyweight, he's overrated, at least on paper. In reality, though, I think most know that he's not in the running to be holder of a unified title and undisputed champ.

Correct. Not at the moment. Rahman has a decent chance at beating Klitschko. He could have 2 belts by beating Rock however;.
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Not to mention, If Byrd fought Ruiz, I would bet 400k on that fight.

Chris Byrd isn't the most overrated, the guy has faced some pretty decent big guys, and hasn't lost (*cough*fix*cough*). Sure he's a bit overrated, but he's very skilled. There's plenty of more overrated heavys than Chris (I could be bias cuz i met the dude, and was impressed that he wasn't that big. Heck, even Vasily was bigger, so I'm impressed he's been winning as a heavy for so long)

right now im not sure. but an all time thing, it has to be ALI

right now im not sure. but an all time thing, it has to be ALI

i know im catchin up on my history, but can u explain ur rational please? I wouldn't have even considered him in this category

right now im not sure. but an all time thing, it has to be ALI

There is no way Ali is the most overrated Heavy, He was the best Heavyweight of the late 60s and all through the 70s. This is the golden era of the Heavy's and he was the best.

How can he be overrated

There is no way Ali is the most overrated Heavy, He was the best Heavyweight of the late 60s and all through the 70s. This is the golden era of the Heavy's and he was the best.

How can he be overrated

Agree.

Name a champion in his time that Ali didn't whip.

Ali will whip most of today's heavyweights.

i don't think rahman is overrated...just lacks focus....when he is on he can get the job done....don't know if he can take out vitali though....

todays heavys are a joke.when middleweights can move up and easily beat heavys you know that the heavyweight division is the worst its ever been. there isnt one decent heavyweight around right now.

oh, and to call ali overrated is just stupid. the guy is one of the best ever p4p fighters, not just the greatest heavweight of all time. none of todays heavies would have gotten into the top 20 during ali's era.

rahman is not overrated....there are no veteran heavies at the top that are overrated because they are shat on by all. I would have to say that Peter is getting waaaay too much attention for what he has shown. Granted that it's simply for the novelty of being something new, but regardless.

most overrated is williamsI'm surprised at that suggestion... he gets slagged to **** on this board.

Vitali Klitcshko is over rated in my opinion, but if he beats Hasim Rahman I will stop saying that.

i'll say this about rahman, he's done nothing to deserve another title show.... he's beaten 4 or 5 BUMS and thats it, he's done nothing since losing to ruiz and holy to earn another title shot...

that being said, i'll give him credit for showing alot of heart against sanders, a fight where he was getting his ass handed to him and i do think he'll give a game effort against VK, but still get stopped...

i know im catchin up on my history, but can u explain ur rational please? I wouldn't have even considered him in this category


The reason Ali is a contender for "Most Overrated" at all is because of the posts after yours that state "Ali was the greatest ever", etc. Ali was a great fighter, with a fluid grace and natural style that made him seem like he was in a dance rather than a fight. But Ali wasn't perfect either. Like Byrd, he didn't have a great deal of power, and in his early 30's, when he should've been in his prime, he began to have trouble going the distance because he was lazy.

Anyway, I don't think about Ali as being overrated because he's basically a legend, even almost a folk hero to some, so you pretty much have to ignore any statements regarding him.....the arguments just aren't worth it.

The reason Ali is a contender for "Most Overrated" at all is because of the posts after yours that state "Ali was the greatest ever", etc. Ali was a great fighter, with a fluid grace and natural style that made him seem like he was in a dance rather than a fight. But Ali wasn't perfect either. Like Byrd, he didn't have a great deal of power, and in his early 30's, when he should've been in his prime, he began to have trouble going the distance because he was lazy.

Anyway, I don't think about Ali as being overrated because he's basically a legend, even almost a folk hero to some, so you pretty much have to ignore any statements regarding him.....the arguments just aren't worth it.


no Stick you are wrong Ali is as close to perfect u can get, Ali doesnt have alot of power? HE IS THE ONLY MAN TO KO GEORGE FOREMAN, Ali had everything speed power, agility, a chin, stamina, heart. Ali is the greatest fighter every tied with SRR all time and he is the graetest heavyweight ever period

and in his early 30's, when he should've been in his prime, he began to have trouble going the distance because he was lazy.I think this argument will come up more and more in this era of older boxers. There's virtually no contender under the age of 30 anymore. Yet in Ali's day it was considered a young man's game and 30 was over the hill. I always remember the commentator Jimmy Young (not the boxer) crying at the end of Zaire, incredulously: "... and he won the Heavyweight Championship of the World aged thirty-two!" like it was the most unbelievable thing he'd ever seen.

no Stick you are wrong Ali is as close to perfect u can get, Ali doesnt have alot of power? HE IS THE ONLY MAN TO KO GEORGE FOREMAN, Ali had everything speed power, agility, a chin, stamina, heart. Ali is the greatest fighter every tied with SRR all time and he is the graetest heavyweight ever period


And this is why it's never a good idea to bring Ali into a discussion....there are too many people who believe he could've never lost.

And regarding the Foreman KO....George spent 7 and 1/2 rounds punching himself out so completely that my daughter could've KO'd the big guy. Yes, Ali won the fight, but you have to admit that Ali couldn't have gotten any luckier than he did, with Big George fighting the way he did. Take another look at Ali's record. You'll find that when he faced opponents with a good chin and decent skill, his TKO wins were either very late, or non-existant. It was only earlier in his career, when facing lesser skilled opponents, that he racked up a good KO/Win ratio.

Ali's most important asset later in his career was his ring smarts.

And this is why it's never a good idea to bring Ali into a discussion....there are too many people who believe he could've never lost.

And regarding the Foreman KO....George spent 7 and 1/2 rounds punching himself out so completely that my daughter could've KO'd the big guy. Yes, Ali won the fight, but you have to admit that Ali couldn't have gotten any luckier than he did, with Big George fighting the way he did. Take another look at Ali's record. You'll find that when he faced opponents with a good chin and decent skill, his TKO wins were either very late, or non-existant. It was only earlier in his career, when facing lesser skilled opponents, that he racked up a good KO/Win ratio.

Ali's most important asset later in his career was his ring smarts.

exactly your last statment is why in addtion to everything else he is the greatest

sturm just a correction

foreman was up at 9. zack clayton would've let him continue. he was not ko'd. he walked back to his corner, defeated mentally.

I agree, Hasim Rahman is way overated.
He gets easy wins, Kali Meehan? I mean c'mon...
The fights he gets that are actual struggles he loses
He is a good fighter...But not as good as he's given credit for

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