Holyfield vs Frazier who wins ? prime of coarse. It would probably look something like Qawi vs Holyfield stylistically only Joe puts on more pressure than Qawi imo.

Holyfield vs Frazier who wins ? prime of coarse. It would probably look something like Qawi vs Holyfield stylistically only Joe puts on more pressure than Qawi imo.

A close decision win for Holyfield. I just think his movement and lightning fast combinations would be too much for Frazier. He would withstand Frazier's assault just as well if not even better than Ali.

A close decision win for Holyfield. I just think his movement and lightning fast combinations would be too much for Frazier. He would withstand Frazier's assault just as well if not even better than Ali.

You know i think your right that he would cope better with Frazier than Ali did but im still not sure who id pick to win, probably Holyfield because he has a more solid chin.

Holyfield wins this. Let us not forget, of the men to beat Tyson, Holyfield beat the best version.

holyfield by UD

Which Holyfield do you think would have a better chance, the 1990-1994 one or the 1995-1998 version?

Older version was smarter. Younger version more gifted. Eh, both versions beat Frazier unless Holyfield shows up with Hepatitis or a heart and shoulder problem.

I'm in agreement with everyone, Holyfield by decision for me. The 1990-92 Holyfield was prime IMO.

Let's not forget, Frazier had a pretty solid chin, and one of, if not the best left hook in heavyweight history. If Holyfield can keep Frazier off of him, he might pull it off, but I have to put my money on Frazier.

Fraizer by late KO

I think Holyfield fought on the inside too much to beat Frazier honestly, Riddick Bowe managed to beat Holyfield on the inside, Frazier is a better inside fighter than Bowe.

Holyfield vs Frazier who wins ? prime of coarse. It would probably look something like Qawi vs Holyfield stylistically only Joe puts on more pressure than Qawi imo.
yes it would be similar but Frazier is a completely different animal to Qawi and i think Holyfield would get to brave for his own good and pay a heavy price... Bert Cooper who was limited hurt Holyfield badly and was `robbed` of the chance to finish a badly hurt Holyfield off, IMO Frazier would be too powerful and relentless, his bobbing and weaving style would enable him to land his left-hooks and he would be too much for Holyfield in the mid to late rounds... Frazier KO11

Hoping that the people who picked Holyfield arn't falling into the old trick that Frazier is like Tyson and he handled Tyson easily enough.
Tyson and Frazier are totally different fighters, Frazier like Holyfield loved a war.

yes it would be similar but Frazier is a completely different animal to Qawi and i think Holyfield would get to brave for his own good and pay a heavy price... Bert Cooper who was limited hurt Holyfield badly and was `robbed` of the chance to finish a badly hurt Holyfield off, IMO Frazier would be too powerful and relentless, his bobbing and weaving style would enable him to land his left-hooks and he would be too much for Holyfield in the mid to late rounds... Frazier KO11

Guess there is a first time for everything.....I agree.

Hoping that the people who picked Holyfield arn't falling into the old trick that Frazier is like Tyson and he handled Tyson easily enough.
Tyson and Frazier are totally different fighters, Frazier like Holyfield loved a war.


I did not pick Holyfield because of the Tyson fight but thinking about there is an indication in that fight as to why i think Holyfield would win. Holyfield would not allow Mike Tyson to back him up he knew he could not afford to let Tyson shift his weight onto front foot and by backing him up not only was he able to nullify his power but he was able to take Mike right out of his game because Mike cannot fight going backwards either.

In the centre of the ring its Holyfield's fight against Frazier imo.

My first thought was that Evander would take this one easily.

But then I realized that Holy does allow opponents to get in close,
which Smokin Joe does exploit very well. I don't think Evander has the
skill or inclination to keep Joe at jab's length. I have Frazier by decision
or by final round TKO.

Man i keep going backwards and fowards in my head about this fight. I said Holyfield would be okay if he backed Joe up but then again he could not keep Qawi in the centre, so maybe Joe would win.

Im still thinking though that in a grueling fight that Holyfield's chin might be the difference.

Its a tough fight to call but i think Holyfield would cope with Frazier better than Ali.

Man i keep going backwards and fowards in my head about this fight. I said Holyfield would be okay if he backed Joe up but then again he could not keep Qawi in the centre, so maybe Joe would win.

Im still thinking though that in a grueling fight that Holyfield's chin might be the difference.

Its a tough fight to call but i think Holyfield would cope with Frazier better than Ali.
This one is a hard one to call I reckon in a series of 10 fights I'd give it to Holy 6-4 only because I think Holyfield can adapt and change better than Frazier. Worth considering the Bowe Holyfield fights too, Bowe was a great fighter inside as was Frazier.

This one is a hard one to call I reckon in a series of 10 fights I'd give it to Holy 6-4 only because I think Holyfield can adapt and change better than Frazier. Worth considering the Bowe Holyfield fights too, Bowe was a great fighter inside as was Frazier.



Yeah id agree with that.

I think once you have been in there with Joe and know what to expect you can make a plan on how to deal with him, but you never truly know how to deal with him untill you have shared a ring with and have had to deal with what he bring to the table, and i think that amongst other things was a factor in why Ali adapted a bit better to Joe's style after the first fight, this is why i think its realistic to say if they fought 10 times i could go 6-4 might go Holyfield's way.


Not that is should make any difference but these are also two of my fav fighters.

I would favor Frazier, slightly.

Holyfield often allowed his opponets to smother him, get in close, and go to war with them. That's Frazier's whole style right there, and if Holyfield had trouble keeping Qawi in the center and off of his chest ; I'm more than confident he would have those same troubles against a locomotive like Frazier.

If he could keep "Smoke" off of him, I would fvor 'Vander on points. But Holyfield's history tells me he wouldn't be able to, nor would he want to ; he would want a fight.

frazier had a very good chin in my opinion, just look at thrilla in manilla, both are great fighters with good chins, but holyfield would win with his better experience

frazier had a very good chin in my opinion, just look at thrilla in manilla, both are great fighters with good chins, but holyfield would win with his better experience
I don't know where this fallacy started about Frazier having a bad chin.

No one is saying he has a bad chin just that Holyfield has a better one.

Id take Frazier, as said before Holyfield's warrior mentality would be more of a liability than a plus. Also I believe Frazier's body punches and ripping hooks would slowly tear Holyfield down, tiring him out.

Holyfield vs Frazier who wins ? prime of coarse. It would probably look something like Qawi vs Holyfield stylistically only Joe puts on more pressure than Qawi imo.

Dwight Muhammad Qawi wasn't a hard hitter though, he was a respectful hitter but he didn't carry that one punch type of power, where he could turn a fight around like Joe Frazier, as it shows with Dwight Muhammad Qawi only having a 47 percent KO record.

And the difference is Joe Frazier would badly shake up, Evander Holyfield unlike Dwight Muhamamd Qawi. And remember this isn't at Cruiserweight, remember Evander Holyfield was shaken up badly, by a very poor mans version of Joe Frazier aka Bert Cooper at Heavyweight.

I'll take Joe Frazier by decision, i think a prime Joe Frazier aka the 1971 version. Is a step above Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and certainly better than the 1996 version of Mike Tyson and Bert Cooper.

It would be a great fight but i see Joe Frazier's, slightly better workrate and better power being the difference here.

holyfield wins by first round knockout,frazier would not beat anyone in the top 50 today:boxing:

Dwight Muhammad Qawi wasn't a hard hitter though, he was a respectful hitter but he didn't carry that one punch type of power, where he could turn a fight around like Joe Frazier, as it shows with Dwight Muhammad Qawi only having a 47 percent KO record.

And the difference is Joe Frazier would bad;y shake up, Evander Holyfield unlike Dwight Muhamamd Qawi. And remember this isn't at Cruiserweight, remember Evander Holyfield was shaken up badly, by a very poor mans version of Joe Frazier aka Bert Cooper at Heavyweight.

I'll take Joe Frazier by decision, i think a prime Joe Frazier aka the 1971 version. Is a step above Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and certainly better than the 1996 version of Mike Tyson and Bert Cooper.

It would be a great fight but i see Joe Frazier's, slightly better workrate and better power being the difference here.

Agree with you.

holyfield wins by first round knockout,frazier would not beat anyone in the top 50 today:boxing:
I'd be interested to hear the names of 50 HW's all time that could beat Frazier.
You think 50 of the current tomato cans could survive with Frazier?
Love to hear the names, I assume Chaguev will be one of them lol. Valuev, Ruiz??
Can't wait, I suggest you look at other Frazier fights other than against Foreman.

holyfield wins by first round knockout,frazier would not beat anyone in the top 50 today:boxing:

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David Haye
Nikolay Valuev
Ruslan Chagaev
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Samuel Peter
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Oleg Maskaev
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Kevin Johnson
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Oleg Platov
Dominick Guinn
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Cedric Boswell
Michael Grant
James Toney
Danny Williams
Gbenga Oloukun
Odlanier Solis
Alexander Ustinov
Timur Ibragimov
Oliver McCall
Matt Skelton
Lamon Brewster
Francois Botha
Demetrice King
Taras Bidenko
Lisandro Ezequiel Diaz
Derric Rossy
Tye Fields
Malik Scott
Jason Estrada
Andrew Golota
Shane Cameron
Martin Rogan
An abundance of riches.
Nice to see Botha in there, retire for 5 years put on 2 stone beat 3 tomato cans and ranking at 40.
What a sad state the HW division is in.
Yeah Frazier would beat some of those, he's 65 but has kept in reasonable condition.

holyfield wins by first round knockout,frazier would not beat anyone in the top 50 today:boxing:
Dude, @ Heavy Weight Frasier takes him... Left Hook to the jaw in the middle to late rounds...

have you ever seen evander fight look at how well he has done against bigger men and took all their hard shots,frazier is smaller than holyfield,does not have holyfields speed,power and most importantly his chin,frazier would get walloped,if frazier fought in todays era with all the stiffs it has he would be lucky to get a win:boxing:

have you ever seen evander fight look at how well he has done against bigger men and took all their hard shots,frazier is smaller than holyfield,does not have holyfields speed,power and most importantly his chin,frazier would get walloped,if frazier fought in todays era with all the stiffs it has he would be lucky to get a win:boxing:

Frazier had a wicked left hook, Holyfield had a great left hook as well but Fraziers was mean.

Size is very similar prime for prime. Holyfield being a tad bigger at about 209-210. Frazier backed up 215 lb 6'3 Ali all night so this fight will be a war.

Very hard to pick, close fights IMO.

have you ever seen evander fight look at how well he has done against bigger men and took all their hard shots,frazier is smaller than holyfield,does not have holyfields speed,power and most importantly his chin,frazier would get walloped,if frazier fought in todays era with all the stiffs it has he would be lucky to get a win:boxing:

Have you ever seen Joe Frazier fight?

Holyfield started at 178 lbs, reigned at 190 pounds and had his prime as a heavyweight at 205 lbs in my opinion. I don't see how he is the "bigger man" aside from perhaps the old version of Holyfield who frequently came in at 215.

I don't think that Holyfield would necessarily be able to handle Frazier as well as the younger version however.

I can't really see either of their chins coming to play here.

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Don't you think Frazier's style could trouble Holyfield?

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I can't see either fighter getting KOed, Holyfield's pride I think would work against him. The pressure by Frazier would make Holyfield want to brawl, which he did quite a bit when he shouldn't have. Frazier would give Evander a beating inside and win a close decision.

i saw almost all of fraziers fights and he is not impressive yes he did beat ali once and got pumelled the other two times,he got inialated against foreman,he was losing against chuvalo when he thumbed chuvalo in the eye and it forced the ref to stop the fight,i will say frazier had a good left hook but with his height you need a lot more tools,look at tommy burns he was smaller than frazier but he had a good jab fast hands and good foot work,burns would beat frazier too:boxing:

i saw almost all of fraziers fights and he is not impressive yes he did beat ali once and got pumelled the other two times,he got inialated against foreman,he was losing against chuvalo when he thumbed chuvalo in the eye and it forced the ref to stop the fight,i will say frazier had a good left hook but with his height you need a lot more tools,look at tommy burns he was smaller than frazier but he had a good jab fast hands and good foot work,burns would beat frazier too:boxing:

Frazier didn't thumb Chuvalo, he broke Chuvalo's eye orbit with a left hook. He wasn't losing the fight either, Chuvalo was game and always came back with his own punches but he was taking a beating.

Before the successive Ellis, Foster and Ali I fights in which Frazier knocked his opposition down with the left hook, Frazier was mostly known for his powerful left jab and his two-handed attack to the body. His uppercut on the inside is a very underrated punch as well and at times he could score heavily with the right.

Frazier would slaughter Tommy Burns who was 5'7 and weighed 168 pounds.

Good fight but I would put my money on Frazier.

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I would maybe back Frazier to beat some of those guys now at age 65.

Frazier had a tendency to get buzzed early, and despite Holyfield's medium punch (at best) Frazier might not make it out of the early rounds. But I doubt it. Frazier breaks Holy down and finishes him in 10. Using the comparison of Holy-Quai I is notable, since I thought Quai hurt Holyfield a few times and deserved a decision.
I can't help but think that despite how well known Frazier is, he is one of the most misunderstood and misinterpreted fighters of all time.

i saw almost all of fraziers fights and he is not impressive yes he did beat ali once and got pumelled the other two times,he got inialated against foreman,he was losing against chuvalo when he thumbed chuvalo in the eye and it forced the ref to stop the fight,i will say frazier had a good left hook but with his height you need a lot more tools,look at tommy burns he was smaller than frazier but he had a good jab fast hands and good foot work,burns would beat frazier too:boxing:

you are telling lies, you are imagining things... Frazier never thumbed Chuvalo, he cut Chuvalo then brutally hammered Chuvalo unto the referee rescued him..it is obvious that you have not seen that fight, nor have you seen any other frazier fights.. when did he get pummeled by Muhammad ali in their 2nd & 3rd fights..you are the joker of this forum and never once have you made a sensible post, every post you made borders on `Laughable`

This has to be one of the closest match ups out there..
Holy has the better chin, but I'd say Frazier punches harder..
Both have incredible heart, so it has to be decided on styles..

Holy's resume is better than Fraziers, but he did have some uncomfortable moments against Bert Cooper & DMQ, who are both similar, but not as good as Frazier..
However, Quawi was at CW, and Cooper was a surprise midnight hour replacement for (I can't fukin remember lol) but Holy (who wasn't prime then) had obviously trained for someone completely different.. (can anyone tell me who it was??)

Taking all of this into cosideration, I'd predict a 12 round war, full of KD's, cuts and all sorts, with Holyfield taking either a split decision or a majority draw..

you are telling lies, you are imagining things... Frazier never thumbed Chuvalo, he cut Chuvalo then brutally hammered Chuvalo unto the referee rescued him..it is obvious that you have not seen that fight, nor have you seen any other frazier fights.. when did he get pummeled by Muhammad ali in their 2nd & 3rd fights..you are the joker of this forum and never once have you made a sensible post, every post you made borders on `Laughable`

Rescued him?? Lol, Chuvalo never needed rescuing from anyone! He had the best chin ever!

This has to be one of the closest match ups out there..
Holy has the better chin, but I'd say Frazier punches harder..
Both have incredible heart, so it has to be decided on styles..

Holy's resume is better than Fraziers, but he did have some uncomfortable moments against Bert Cooper & DMQ, who are both similar, but not as good as Frazier..
However, Quawi was at CW, and Cooper was a surprise midnight hour replacement for (I can't fukin remember lol) but Holy (who wasn't prime then) had obviously trained for someone completely different.. (can anyone tell me who it was??)

Taking all of this into cosideration, I'd predict a 12 round war, full of KD's, cuts and all sorts, with Holyfield taking either a split decision or a majority draw..

Mike Tyson and then Francesco Damiani.

Rescued him?? Lol, Chuvalo never needed rescuing from anyone! He had the best chin ever!

In that case he was rescued because Chuvalo's eye orbit was broken. Nothing to do with his chin.

frazier wins surely with a left hook in hisFACE

Mike Tyson and then Francesco Damiani.
Thanks A.. That must have been around the time Tyson's troubles began..

I believe Damiani was WBO champ, but for some strange reason, opted to get battered by Ray Mercer, instead of making a unification attempt..

Have you any input on this?

frazier by late stoppage :****you:

Thanks A.. That must have been around the time Tyson's troubles began..

I believe Damiani was WBO champ, but for some strange reason, opted to get battered by Ray Mercer, instead of making a unification attempt..

Have you any input on this?

Damiani had actually lost the WBO title (meaningless at the time) to Mercer before he was supposed to be the replacement for Tyson in the Holyfield fight. Cooper was the second replacement when Damiani injured himself and took the fight on less than a week's notice.

In the Mercer fight, Damiani was winning the fight easily for eight rounds until an uppercut broke his nose in the 9th round.

Damiani had actually lost the WBO title (meaningless at the time) to Mercer before he was supposed to be the replacement for Tyson in the Holyfield fight. Cooper was the second replacement when Damiani injured himself and took the fight on less than a week's notice.

In the Mercer fight, Damiani was winning the fight easily for eight rounds until an uppercut broke his nose in the 9th round.
I take it, the broken nose, being the injury?

Damiani was quite a good boxer actually, and you're right, it was only one punch that did the damage.. I was getting confused with the McCall fight, in which a past prime Damiani did get battered (broken nose again, I think)..

frazier is best ever