Most people have said that, prime against prime, Tyson beats Louis. I can see that happening. But don't you think Louis can find a way to beat Tyson? Surely if Buster Douglas beat Tyson, whether he was in his prime or not, Louis should have a chance.

Their differences in height and weight aren't that great. Louis was 3 incher taller than Tyson but weighed around 15 pounds less.

Louis often fought bigger guys that Tyson. For example, he fought Buddy Baer who was 6'6 and weighed 250 pounds when Louis knocked him out in 1 round.

Joe Louis is rated by Ring Magazine as the greatest puncher of all-time. So I just don't get why people automatically think Tyson would beat Louis.

I guess its because peak Tyson looks so much more powerful, fast and effective than Max Schmelling who knocked Louis out or Tony Gallento who knocked him down in Louis's prime. To be honest peak Tyson is leagues above just about all Louis's title victims.

I'm a big Louis fan but have always thought that peak 1988 Tyson wins this matchup, its a tough call but I'd sway towards Tyson.

I also think Louis would beat Tyson. Prime Louis that is. And he would also beat Ali. Louis had a bigger arsenal of punches which he specialised on. He had power as well as skill. Tyson could get him in trouble, but not knock him out. Joe always came back. He was floored against Braddock, but came back.

Sure, in your wet Joe Louis wanking dreams perhaps, you bloody typical nuthugger.

Joe Louis was hurt, staggered and knocked down by some of the worst bums ever and by much lesser fighters. His china porcelain ****ty chin would not hold up, unlike Tyson who was target practise for giant Lennox' right hand for 7 rounds. Louis would have to KO the lad which isn't gonna happen like that, and he would get ko'd himself by opeining up because Tyson himself is one of the most accurate and powerful punchers ever.

Sure, in your wet Joe Louis wanking dreams perhaps, you bloody typical nuthugger.

Joe Louis was hurt, staggered and knocked down by some of the worst bums ever and by much lesser fighters. His china porcelain ****ty chin would not hold up, unlike Tyson who was target practise for giant Lennox' right hand for 7 rounds. Louis would have to KO the lad which isn't gonna happen like that, and he would get ko'd himself by opeining up because Tyson himself is one of the most accurate and powerful punchers ever.

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Louis can't fight going backwards and Tyson would have him backing up.

Tyson is bigger,stronger,faster,and hits harder.

Tyson starts out so fast in the opening rounds.How would Louis's suspect chin hold up against Tyson's heavy bombs,which are much harder than anyone ever hit Louis with.

Tyson had 15-20 pounds on Louis as well.

I see Tyson coming out fast,and backing Louis up and taking him out in the early rounds,probably round one.

How could Louis beat Tyson? His only chance is to stand up to Tyson,and throw his beatiful array of combinations.Hoping to catch Tyson,and hurt him and then jump all over him for the KO.But I would put the odds about 5-1 against this.

Louis can't fight going backwards and Tyson would have him backing up.

Tyson is bigger,stronger,faster,and hits harder.

Tyson starts out so fast in the opening rounds.How would Louis's suspect chin hold up against Tyson's heavy bombs,which are much harder than anyone ever hit Louis with.

Tyson had 15-20 pounds on Louis as well.

I see Tyson coming out fast,and backing Louis up and taking him out in the early rounds,probably round one.

How could Louis beat Tyson? His only chance is to stand up to Tyson,and throw his beatiful array of combinations.Hoping to catch Tyson,and hurt him and then jump all over him for the KO.But I would put the odds about 5-1 against this.

Louis knew when to play defense and hold and when to attack and wage war. Tyson just attacked and went forward. That would prove costly against Joe.

Sure, in your wet Joe Louis wanking dreams perhaps, you bloody typical nuthugger.

Joe Louis was hurt, staggered and knocked down by some of the worst bums ever and by much lesser fighters. His china porcelain ****ty chin would not hold up, unlike Tyson who was target practise for giant Lennox' right hand for 7 rounds. Louis would have to KO the lad which isn't gonna happen like that, and he would get ko'd himself by opeining up because Tyson himself is one of the most accurate and powerful punchers ever.

Even though this is a discussion and I like people's opinions, you're clearly a Joe Louis hater so I don't count yours. And I'm not Tyson hater either. I happen to think he's one of the greatest heavyweights of all-time in his prime.

In response to those who said Tyson would come out fast and back Louis up, I can't argue on that. But Louis was way more accurate than Tyson. Louis would hit Tyson hard and that would have an effect. Tyson was wobbled before by much lesser opponents.

In response to those who said Tyson would come out fast and back Louis up, I can't argue on that. But Louis was way more accurate than Tyson. Louis would hit Tyson hard and that would have an effect. Tyson was wobbled before by much lesser opponents.

Your argument is that Tyson was hurt by lesser opponents than bumbeater, when I could probably give you a whole list of bums that fookin knocked Louis down or wobbled him. If that is your logic your are contradicting yourself because clearly you would pick Tyson if you believe that logic, mate.

And how is Louis "way more accurate"?? They are both damn near the most accurate punchers ever. You are acting like you're comparing Louis to young Foreman or something.

Your argument is that Tyson was hurt by lesser opponents than bumbeater, when I could probably give you a whole list of bums that fookin knocked Louis down or wobbled him. If that is your logic your are contradicting yourself because clearly you would pick Tyson if you believe that logic, mate.

And how is Louis "way more accurate"?? They are both damn near the most accurate punchers ever. You are acting like you're comparing Louis to young Foreman or something.

Joe Louis would MASSACRE Tyson!:D How'd you like that Slimey? Suitable name btw.:rofl:

Your argument is that Tyson was hurt by lesser opponents than bumbeater, when I could probably give you a whole list of bums that fookin knocked Louis down or wobbled him. If that is your logic your are contradicting yourself because clearly you would pick Tyson if you believe that logic, mate.

And how is Louis "way more accurate"?? They are both damn near the most accurate punchers ever. You are acting like you're comparing Louis to young Foreman or something.

I'm not saying Louis wasn't hurt or knocked down. Quite the opposite. It's just by the way you're talking, you're acting like Tyson can't be hurt by Louis when in fact Tyson was hurt by lesser opponents. I'm just saying Louis can do the damage to Tyson if he lands his punches.

And you can believe Tyson was more accurate than Louis but I stand by my opinion. I'm sure most historians would be on my side.

Louis can't fight going backwards and Tyson would have him backing up.

Tyson is bigger,stronger,faster,and hits harder.

Tyson starts out so fast in the opening rounds.How would Louis's suspect chin hold up against Tyson's heavy bombs,which are much harder than anyone ever hit Louis with.

Tyson had 15-20 pounds on Louis as well.

I see Tyson coming out fast,and backing Louis up and taking him out in the early rounds,probably round one.

How could Louis beat Tyson? His only chance is to stand up to Tyson,and throw his beatiful array of combinations.Hoping to catch Tyson,and hurt him and then jump all over him for the KO.But I would put the odds about 5-1 against this.

I like this post, just the attribute differences alone are crazy.

I'm not saying Louis wasn't hurt or knocked down. Quite the opposite. It's just by the way you're talking, you're acting like Tyson can't be hurt by Louis when in fact Tyson was hurt by lesser opponents. I'm just saying Louis can do the damage to Tyson if he lands his punches.

And you can believe Tyson was more accurate than Louis but I stand by my opinion. I'm sure most historians would be on my side.

Landing consistently on a prime Tyson was very hard to do due to how low he went. Just the facts, of course it can be done but what are the odds of him catching Tyson with a COMBO. There have been numerous combos that Tyson took to down him. Just something I see hard to do, but it could given the circumstances.

I'm not saying Louis wasn't hurt or knocked down. Quite the opposite. It's just by the way you're talking, you're acting like Tyson can't be hurt by Louis when in fact Tyson was hurt by lesser opponents. I'm just saying Louis can do the damage to Tyson if he lands his punches.

And you can believe Tyson was more accurate than Louis but I stand by my opinion. I'm sure most historians would be on my side.

We're arguing wether Louis could KO Tyson or not. It's irrelevant if Louis could hurt him, obviously they're both human. But how is he going to do that when he's a bit of a slow starter and doesn't fight backwards either, Tyson one of the fastest starters ever. Louis has a ****, china, porcelain, borderline paper chin, and Tyson a granite one. Tyson great defense, Louis is mr low left hand. Louis knocked down and hurt by bums, Tyson pounded for ages by hard punchers before going down. Just use your fookin head mate, don't listen to biased old historians. Everything says Tyson by brutal KO over bumbeater. Styles make fights.

However, Joseph would surely KO his ex wife though. Read my sig lad. Your hero.

ive seen quite a few louis fights and while i love his punching power, his chin was absolutely terrible especially in the start of fights....combined with tyson being one of the best finishers ever i say this fight ends brutally for louis...bad style matchup...

Although Mike Tyson might have a good punchers chance of beating Louis, he had a particularly short prime & with the exceptions of Holyfield & Lewis, never fought anyone remotely as good as Louis..

Tillis, Ruddock, Douglas, Ribalta were all just as chinny as Louis, yet all with the exception of Ribalta, who lasted until the 10th, were able to take Tyson's best shots.. Tony Tucker & Bonecrusher Smith, very average champs, quite comfortably lasted the course with a prime Tyson, with Smith having even slower feet than Louis..

It's all very well to say that Louis gets bombed out early, or it's a bad style match up, but we know that you don't need particularly good footwork to beat Tyson and if he felt Joe's power on the way in, he might panic & start to cheat..

One thing Louis would not be is scared, & Tyson relied on this a lot.. Louis was cold & emotionless in the ring, & I believe this would also affect the mentally fragile Tyson..
Far more fragile than Louis's underrated chin, which Mike would have to connect with more than once, to knock him down..

My money would be on Louis by mid rounds stoppage, but Tyson had enough raw power to take out anyone early & would certainly have a good punchers chance during the first 4 rounds..

Stickey Mickey, another notorious Louis nuthugger runs his mouth.

[COLOR="Green"]Tillis, Ruddock, Douglas, Ribalta were all just as chinny as Louis, yet all with the exception of Ribalta, who lasted until the 10th, were able to take Tyson's best shots.. Tony Tucker & Bonecrusher Smith, very average champs, quite comfortably lasted the course with a prime Tyson, with Smith having even slower feet than Louis..

Tony Tucker fights nothing like Louis. He is a bad styles mismatch for Tyson and fights on the outside with his jab. That is why he lasted.

Smith held on the entire fight. He is a huge wanker, and smallish Louis is not going to man handle Tyson like that.

Ruddock has a superior chin compared to mr "Ï get knocked down by bums like Galento because i'm so fookin ****ty chinned". He took huge bombs against Tyson and survived. Louis is never going to do that.

bumbeater gets knocked down within seconds, stopped viciously in minutes.,

It's all very well to say that Louis gets bombed out early, or it's a bad style match up, but we know that you don't need particularly good footwork to beat Tyson and if he felt Joe's power on the way in, he might panic & start to cheat..

One thing Louis would not be is scared, & Tyson relied on this a lot

Oh so it's the old "Tyson has no heart, mental mental mental". Guess what, Louis relied on his oppponents being scared as well. In fact Baer was ****ting himself worse than Spinks was.
with more than once, to knock him down..

My money would be on Louis by mid rounds stoppage, but Tyson had enough raw power to take out anyone early & would certainly have a good punchers chance during the first 4 rounds

Good job impressing your bumbeater friends. They must be so proud of you.

Ref: Slimey Limey: Yes... You're right, Tucker & Smith fight nothing like Joe Louis, who can box & punch with 2 fisted KO power without holding..

So Ruddock's chin is superior to that of Louis, because Joe got KD by Galento who was a journeyman noted for his punch?
Wasn't Ruddock KTFO by David Jaco?.... A journeyman noted for getting KTFO..

And if Baer was ****ting himself more than Spinks, then he did a much better job of it.. Lasting 4 rounds, & during the fight, shouting, 'He's beatin the crap outta me!' to the crowd.. He also jested similar phrases to the referee, in between rounds.. Spinks looked like a rapist, about to be stoned by the crowd & lasted less than a minute..

You have got to be the most idiotic person I've seen on this forum. You're obviously a Joe Louis hater. I take nothing you say seriously. It's a mockery that you even post in this section.

Ruddock has a superior chin compared to mr "Ï get knocked down by bums like Galento because i'm so fookin ****ty chinned". He took huge bombs against Tyson and survived. Louis is never going to do that.

Are you talking about the Ruddock that got KO'd 4 times out of his 5 losses? The one who was knocked out by a journeyman? No discredit to him as a fighter but he isn't on Louis' level.

Oh so it's the old "Tyson has no heart, mental mental mental". Guess what, Louis relied on his oppponents being scared as well. In fact Baer was ****ting himself worse than Spinks was.
with more than once, to knock him down..

Spinks took a layoff of boxing and then fought Tyson and I'm not going to discredit that win but it looked like Spinks was looking for a way out.

Baer was a far better puncher than Spinks. He on the other hand actually fought Louis. Baer was never knocked out until that fight.

Good job impressing your bumbeater friends. They must be so proud of you.

Say what you want but most of Tyson's dominating KO's were over "bums".

Seriously, if you're even going to bother posting here you should gain knowledge of fighters.

[COLOR="Green"]Ref: Slimey Limey: Yes... So Ruddock's chin is superior to that of Louis, because Joe got KD by Galento who was a journeyman noted for his punch?

Louis was knocked down in almost all of his fights. The cunt didn't have a chin, zero. He was hurt or knocked down by bums. Ruddock went life and death against Tyson twice. He kept getting up from Lewis' titanic right hands. He ate Morrison's best punch, one of the best ever landed, and he got up in 2 seconds. We're talking CHINS here, and in that aspect Ruddock is superior.
Louis on the other hand had a glassy, porcelain china chin made out of thin paper, which is produced in a Chinese fabric factory.

Wasn't Ruddock KTFO by David Jaco?.... A journeyman noted for getting KTFO..

Inexperienced Ruddock ran out of gas. If you didn't just take a peek at boxrec you'd know this.

And if Baer was ****ting himself more than Spinks, then he did a much better job of it.. Lasting 4 rounds, & during the fight, shouting, 'He's beatin the crap outta me!' to the crowd.. He also jested similar phrases to the referee, in between rounds.. Spinks looked like a rapist, about to be stoned by the crowd & lasted less than a minute..

Spinks atleast went through with it. Baer was so struck with fear that Jack Dempsey was disgusted by it. Louis thrived on his opponents fear, just like Tyson, so this is completely irrelevant in this matchup.

You have got to be the most idiotic person I've seen on this forum.

Aww, that's so sweet of you lad:luvbed: Are you mad?

You're obviously a Joe Louis hater.

Because I don't favor the cowardly wife/bumbeating quitter in this horrible styles mismatch? Get your head out of Joseph's arse will ya mate.

I take nothing you say seriously. It's a mockery that you even post in this section.

Yet you spend time at another try to convince me.

Are you talking about the Ruddock that got KO'd 4 times out of his 5 losses? The one who was knocked out by a journeyman? No discredit to him as a fighter but he isn't on Louis' level.

We're talking about CHINS here. Don't get paranoid.
Ruddock ran out of gas early in his career. Against Tyson he was in a power punching slugfest. Lewis was an animal that night. Against Morrison he was washed up.
You DID try to discredit Ruddock here and you should be whipped for it.

Spinks took a layoff of boxing and then fought Tyson and I'm not going to discredit that win but it looked like Spinks was looking for a way out.

You just did. Listen retard, if you're going to say you won't discredit a fighter, you're not supposed to just do it anyway.
If I say I won't piss on your carpet and I do it anyway how would you look at me?

Baer was a far better puncher than Spinks. He on the other hand actually fought Louis. Baer was never knocked out until that fight.

Who's comparing Spinks to Baer? This is about Louis vs Tyson.

Spinks beat a top 10 or 5 ATG HW twice. Beat up Cooney, and a few other lesser lads. He was proven, whatever you "hatazzz" say.

Say what you want but most of Tyson's dominating KO's were over "bums".

Atleast he didn't himself almost get KTFO in the process, unlike Joseph.

Oh... So Louis was knocked down around 50 times then?

I agree that Louis could take down a prime Tyson, even if he gets knocked down a couple of times in the early rounds, he can outlast Tyson and get him by a KO in the late rounds, Tyson didn't have enough stamina to handle a prime Louis.

Oh... So Louis was knocked down around 50 times then?

If he fought in an era any better than the one he was in that would be the most likely result. Put that lad in the 70s and he would be c class. He'd look like a sitting duck, deer caught in headlight etc. He'd spend more time laying on the canvas than actually fighting on it.

I agree that Louis could take down a prime Tyson, even if he gets knocked down a couple of times in the early rounds, he can outlast Tyson and get him by a KO in the late rounds, Tyson didn't have enough stamina to handle a prime Louis.

Louis didn't have enough chin to handle prime Tyson.

Something I just learned a moment ago. There is so much ado about PPV numbers nowadays and who the draw is. It is said that a staggering 70,000,000 people world wide listened to the second Louis-schmeling fight live. I know it has nothing to do with this thread but thought some might be interested.