Saw this post on the another forum, and yes it is a Wlad sackrider who posted it, but he makes a good point.


***A punch does not cause a person's blood sugar to go ski high, nor does it cause a diabetic coma.

A punch does not cause a person's lips to turn blue.

From the second round on Vlad was hardly able to fight, yet he was not even punched then.

Vlad went 12 rounds non-stop punching againt Byrd, knocking Byrd down in the 9th and 11th rounds.

Vlad went 8 round full speed against Axel Shultz without any problem.

Vlad threw more punches Vs. Mercer, yet he did not get tired at all.

Vlad stopped McCline at the end of 10 rounds, Vlad was not tired at all.

Vlad stopped Botha in the 8th round, not tired at all.

Vlad stopped Shufford in the 6th round, not tired at all.

Vlad stopped Barrett in the 7th round, not tired at all.

So, why should Vlads pupil get wide, his lips turn blue at the beginning of a fight with Brewster? Who was in the video? That is one thing you can't cover up for sure. Not counting all the other things that happened. MRI did not show a concussion either. Silly kids do not know who Vlad really is and do not know how good he is either. I know boxing politics, just check out the FBI video of the IBF, which I have seen. Also check out the bust in Vegas, confessions, bribes, etc.*****

Good points?

LOL @ Wlad's lips turning blue. ahahahahhaha

They turned blue against Corrie Sanders as well I suppose. ehehehehhe

Saw this post on the another forum, and yes it is a Wlad sackrider who posted it, but he makes a good point.


***A punch does not cause a person's blood sugar to go ski high, nor does it cause a diabetic coma.

A punch does not cause a person's lips to turn blue.

From the second round on Vlad was hardly able to fight, yet he was not even punched then.

Vlad went 12 rounds non-stop punching againt Byrd, knocking Byrd down in the 9th and 11th rounds.

Vlad went 8 round full speed against Axel Shultz without any problem.

Vlad threw more punches Vs. Mercer, yet he did not get tired at all.

Vlad stopped McCline at the end of 10 rounds, Vlad was not tired at all.

Vlad stopped Botha in the 8th round, not tired at all.

Vlad stopped Shufford in the 6th round, not tired at all.

Vlad stopped Barrett in the 7th round, not tired at all.

So, why should Vlads pupil get wide, his lips turn blue at the beginning of a fight with Brewster? Who was in the video? That is one thing you can't cover up for sure. Not counting all the other things that happened. MRI did not show a concussion either. Silly kids do not know who Vlad really is and do not know how good he is either. I know boxing politics, just check out the FBI video of the IBF, which I have seen. Also check out the bust in Vegas, confessions, bribes, etc.*****

Very good points.

Why cant we all just agree that somthing wasnt right in that fight.

Very good points.

Why cant we all just agree that somthing wasnt right in that fight.

Because the world is full of haters.

Because the world is full of haters.

Nah, i dont think they are haters they are just idiots plain and simple.

ok we will say that something was wrong in that fight, then klit lovers, please explain him getting dropped several times and humiliated by sanders? dont say sanders is a world class fighter either, the guy was old and out of shape, how many true champions get knocked out like that? that was embarrassing, and he looked like **** against tos too. he has a glass jaw people, deal with it!

ok we will say that something was wrong in that fight, then klit lovers, please explain him getting dropped several times and humiliated by sanders? dont say sanders is a world class fighter either, the guy was old and out of shape, how many true champions get knocked out like that? that was embarrassing, and he looked like **** against tos too. he has a glass jaw people, deal with it!

Sanders has world class power. He dropped Rahman as well as having VK and Rahman hurt numerous times during their fights. Its what VK Rahman did right to not continue getting hit when they were hurt that Wlad failed to do.

ok we will say that something was wrong in that fight, then klit lovers, please explain him getting dropped several times and humiliated by sanders? dont say sanders is a world class fighter either, the guy was old and out of shape, how many true champions get knocked out like that? that was embarrassing, and he looked like **** against tos too. he has a glass jaw people, deal with it!

Because

1 sanders a ****ing hard puncher.
2 he is a lightning fast puncher.
3 he is a counterpunching southpow a style wlad hadnt dealt with before.
4 wlad was caught and couldnt take it.
5 sanders jumped on him, cant remember anyone else doing that before him.
6 sanders may not have been in top shape, but that would nevwe effect the first round, it would make a difference if the fight went longer on.
7 would call louis and lewis true champions and they both got koed worse.
Louis in the first round, no please tell me if he aint great.
8 and when he tried to fight tos, tos ran away. wlad won anyway.

ok we will say that something was wrong in that fight, then klit lovers, please explain him getting dropped several times and humiliated by sanders? dont say sanders is a world class fighter either, the guy was old and out of shape, how many true champions get knocked out like that? that was embarrassing, and he looked like **** against tos too. he has a glass jaw people, deal with it!

I agree with you completely but the only thing that was wrong in the Brewster fight was that Wlad hit the wall, ran out of gas, and went down like a *****.

Wlad is done, plain and simple.

I agree with you completely but the only thing that was wrong in the Brewster fight was that Wlad hit the wall, ran out of gas, and went down like a *****.

Wlad is done, plain and simple.

When you go down without being hit real there is something wrong.

Belive me wlad will be back

wlad should just help out in his brothers corner because he is all washed up

When you go down without being hit real there is something wrong.

Belive me wlad will be back

Believe it or not I used to be a Wlad fan.

When he fought Sanders, an old, outta shape golfer, I thought it would be another easy defense for him. But we all know what happened. Still being a fan of him after wactching him get takin down like the ***** I would later come to realize he truly is, I chalked up the loss to underestimation of an opponent.

Then he fights two non-descript opponents and beats them with relative ease. I'm thinking that he is gonna get back a title belt in a fight against the worthless Brewster. He dominates, runs out of gas and goes down like a ***** again. I was so disappointed not so much at the loss, but at the way he lost. After that I stopped being a fan and have gradually turned into what we on this board so maturely call a "hater".

He has no chin, no guts, no confidence, and no excuses.

Wlad fans please present me evidence of tomfoolery or foulplay in the Brewster fight, cause I haven't seen anything.

Believe it or not I used to be a Wlad fan.

When he fought Sanders, an old, outta shape golfer, I thought it would be another easy defense for him. But we all know what happened. Still being a fan of him after wactching him get takin down like the ***** I would later come to realize he truly is, I chalked up the loss to underestimation of an opponent.

Then he fights two non-descript opponents and beats them with relative ease. I'm thinking that he is gonna get back a title belt in a fight against the worthless Brewster. He dominates, runs out of gas and goes down like a ***** again. I was so disappointed not so much at the loss, but at the way he lost. After that I stopped being a fan and have gradually turned into what we on this board so maturely call a "hater".

He has no chin, no guts, no confidence, and no excuses.

Wlad fans please present me evidence of tomfoolery or foulplay in the Brewster fight, cause I haven't seen anything.

Thats just to bad, youl come back too the club when he redems himself.

Youl see.

Believe it or not I used to be a Wlad fan.

When he fought Sanders, an old, outta shape golfer, I thought it would be another easy defense for him. But we all know what happened. Still being a fan of him after wactching him get takin down like the ***** I would later come to realize he truly is, I chalked up the loss to underestimation of an opponent.

Then he fights two non-descript opponents and beats them with relative ease. I'm thinking that he is gonna get back a title belt in a fight against the worthless Brewster. He dominates, runs out of gas and goes down like a ***** again. I was so disappointed not so much at the loss, but at the way he lost. After that I stopped being a fan and have gradually turned into what we on this board so maturely call a "hater".

He has no chin, no guts, no confidence, and no excuses.

Wlad fans please present me evidence of tomfoolery or foulplay in the Brewster fight, cause I haven't seen anything.

This is what you look like when you get TKO'd: http://www.klitschko.com/gallery/index.php?lang=en&task=image&dir=fights/Wladimir/42_Corrie_Sanders&file=Klitschko_Sanders_233.jpg

This is what you look like when you punch yourself out: http://www.klitschko.com/gallery/index.php?lang=en&task=image&dir=fights/Wladimir/25_Ross_Puritty&file=25_Ross_Puritty_291.jpg

This is what you look like when something else is wrong: http://www.klitschko.com/gallery/index.php?lang=en&task=image&dir=fights/Wladimir/45_Lamon_Brewster&file=scena0353.jpg

This is what you look like when you get TKO'd: http://www.klitschko.com/gallery/index.php?lang=en&task=image&dir=fights/Wladimir/42_Corrie_Sanders&file=Klitschko_Sanders_233.jpg

This is what you look like when you punch yourself out: http://www.klitschko.com/gallery/index.php?lang=en&task=image&dir=fights/Wladimir/25_Ross_Puritty&file=25_Ross_Puritty_291.jpg

This is what you look like when something else is wrong: http://www.klitschko.com/gallery/index.php?lang=en&task=image&dir=fights/Wladimir/45_Lamon_Brewster&file=scena0353.jpg


the last one wlad just looks like he is exhausted, which my guess would be from punching. there is no evidence to prove otherwise. maybe wlad trained poorly.... but that is it

like it or not, wlad has probly the most skills out of every HW boxer today. his problem is his chin. the brewster fight was ****ed.

like it or not, wlad has probly the most skills out of every HW boxer today. his problem is his chin. the brewster fight was ****ed.

most skills :confused: that easily goes to either byrd or toney, there only problem is size.

most skills :confused: that easily goes to either byrd or toney, there only problem is size.

Which is why Wlad is so unique. People who are 6'6'' are not so supposed to be able to move and punch like he does.

Which is why Wlad is so unique. People who are 6'6'' are not so supposed to be able to move and punch like he does.

well lately he hasnt really done anything that resembles what you say he is good at. imo he is robotic, not as bad as his brother but still. btw arent big guys suposed to be able to punch? id say lennox lewis was a very good puncher especially is overhand right

There was definitely something strange about the Brewster fight. I'm not saying for sure that another person was to to blame but there was something physically wrong with Wlad on that night and it wasn't as simple as him having punched himself out. He has never looked that exhausted and drained in a fight before.

There was definitely something strange about the Brewster fight. I'm not saying for sure that another person was to to blame but there was something physically wrong with Wlad on that night and it wasn't as simple as him having punched himself out. He has never looked that exhausted and drained in a fight before.

there is a first time for everything ;)

well lately he hasnt really done anything that resembles what you say he is good at. imo he is robotic, not as bad as his brother but still. btw arent big guys suposed to be able to punch? id say lennox lewis was a very good puncher especially is overhand right

It seems like you only are remembering round 5 of the Brewster fight. I'll admit he looked robotic almost like Vitali against TOS, possibly because of Steward's tinkering, but not against Brewster.

It seems like you only are remembering round 5 of the Brewster fight. I'll admit he looked robotic almost like Vitali against TOS, possibly because of Steward's tinkering, but not against Brewster.

no, even against brewster in the early rounds he seemed robotic but pretty accurate at the same time

no, even against brewster in the early rounds he seemed robotic but pretty accurate at the same time

When Steward was Lewis's trainer he said that Wlad had a better straight right than Lewis. And show me a heavyweight of his size with a better left hook. And as for your other question about power. He floored Brewster twice, Mercer once, and Bryd twice, and these are all fighters with great chins.

When Steward was Lewis's trainer he said that Wlad had a better straight right than Lewis. And show me a heavyweight of his size with a better left hook. And as for your other question about power. He floored Brewster twice, Mercer once, and Bryd twice, and these are all fighters with great chins.

There is no doubt that Wlad has talent especially considering his size, but he doesn't have a chin or confidence.

A person can have all the talent in the world, but if you have a glass chin, that talent is worthless.

ok we will say that something was wrong in that fight, then klit lovers, please explain him getting dropped several times and humiliated by sanders? dont say sanders is a world class fighter either, the guy was old and out of shape, how many true champions get knocked out like that? that was embarrassing, and he looked like **** against tos too. he has a glass jaw people, deal with it!


That has to be one of the most futile and idiotic attempts at a rational post I've ever seen. Sanders can KO almost anyone he catches with a good shot, and that's very possible at the beginning of a fight, old and out of shape or not. Now, after that, Wlad's inability to realize how hurt he was is mostly what caused him to be hit that many times with the left, other than that, what happened to him could have happened to anyone. How many true champs get Ko'd like that? ****ing Lewis got KO'd on two separate occasions, both by a single punch, and he's got as many dickriders here as I've got hairs on by ass! If you actually watched the TOS fight, and paid attention to what was going on in Wlad's corner in between rounds, you'd see that Manny was constantly telling Wlad to take it easy, not to get excited, and to just basically jab TOS into the late rounds. Everyone always talks about TOS not getting to the good part of his game plan, well I don't think Wlad did either. Glass jaw? If any fighter took that many flush shots from Sanders, they would most likely be on their back, and probably not rising to their feet like Wlad did, either. i know I'll be labeled a Klit lover for posting this, but I don't care, because what you're posting is nothing but bull****.

Believe it or not I used to be a Wlad fan.

When he fought Sanders, an old, outta shape golfer, I thought it would be another easy defense for him. But we all know what happened. Still being a fan of him after wactching him get takin down like the ***** I would later come to realize he truly is, I chalked up the loss to underestimation of an opponent.

Then he fights two non-descript opponents and beats them with relative ease. I'm thinking that he is gonna get back a title belt in a fight against the worthless Brewster. He dominates, runs out of gas and goes down like a ***** again. I was so disappointed not so much at the loss, but at the way he lost. After that I stopped being a fan and have gradually turned into what we on this board so maturely call a "hater".

He has no chin, no guts, no confidence, and no excuses.

Wlad fans please present me evidence of tomfoolery or foulplay in the Brewster fight, cause I haven't seen anything.


Dude, c'mon, give him some credit, at least he was getting up when the ref stopped the Sanders fight, that's got to count for something. Now the excuses thing I completely agree with, but Sanders, old or not, is still very dangerous in the first round for any fighter, the difference is that Wlad got caught, and then tried to fight his way out of it when he was in big trouble, big no-no.

Are Wlad fans syill going on about this?

Was he drugged against Sanders and Purity. What about when TOS dropped his ass what was wrong with him then?

When Steward was Lewis's trainer he said that Wlad had a better straight right than Lewis. And show me a heavyweight of his size with a better left hook. And as for your other question about power. He floored Brewster twice, Mercer once, and Bryd twice, and these are all fighters with great chins.

steward was creating hype for wlad when he said that. i think most would agree that lewis's right is better.as far as left hooks go there are not many fighters the size of wlad to compare left hooks with.

Wlad's problem is simple. He lost by a KO. That can be really hard to deal with. You have a whole different mindset when you think your unbeatable and then all of a sudden someone knocks you out. Some people never recover.

George Foreman wasn't the same fighter after his knockout loss to Ali.
Mike Tyson definitly wasn't the same after Douglas.
Michael Grant was completly destroyed by Lewis, he was never the same.

Wlad might get back on his feet and he might not. We don't know. If he does hopefully he does it faster than Big George did.

Are Wlad fans syill going on about this?

Was he drugged against Sanders and Purity. What about when TOS dropped his ass what was wrong with him then?


Was Lewis drugged against McCall?

Against Rahman and his dreaded "lottery punch"?

Of course we all know you were when you Posted that garbage.

That has to be one of the most futile and idiotic attempts at a rational post I've ever seen. Sanders can KO almost anyone he catches with a good shot, and that's very possible at the beginning of a fight, old and out of shape or not. Now, after that, Wlad's inability to realize how hurt he was is mostly what caused him to be hit that many times with the left, other than that, what happened to him could have happened to anyone. How many true champs get Ko'd like that? ****ing Lewis got KO'd on two separate occasions, both by a single punch, and he's got as many dickriders here as I've got hairs on by ass! If you actually watched the TOS fight, and paid attention to what was going on in Wlad's corner in between rounds, you'd see that Manny was constantly telling Wlad to take it easy, not to get excited, and to just basically jab TOS into the late rounds. Everyone always talks about TOS not getting to the good part of his game plan, well I don't think Wlad did either. Glass jaw? If any fighter took that many flush shots from Sanders, they would most likely be on their back, and probably not rising to their feet like Wlad did, either. i know I'll be labeled a Klit lover for posting this, but I don't care, because what you're posting is nothing but bull****.


he got knocked out 3 times dickhead, how many before you realize he isnt going live up to expectations? you are the irrational one, find another ukranian dick to ride

Was Lewis drugged against McCall?

Against Rahman and his dreaded "lottery punch"?

Of course we all know you were when you Posted that garbage.


why do you keep bringing up lewis? wlad's resume isnt close to lewis's and i dont think much of lewis anyway. your boy cant take a punch, and his defense is very weak that is why he gets hit so dam much

how come when i posted a topic about wlad being drugged in the brewster fight i didnt have anyone to back me up now this thread is here and half u guys r with the theroy that he was? o well.

how was wlad punched out in 4 rounds when he has gone way longer before?

and do u guys seriously think brewster is that good?

Are Wlad fans syill going on about this?

Was he drugged against Sanders and Purity. What about when TOS dropped his ass what was wrong with him then?

How about him being off balance. And for the record his ass never hit the mat.

he got knocked out 3 times dickhead, how many before you realize he isnt going live up to expectations? you are the irrational one, find another ukranian dick to ride


He got stopped three times, but was not knocked out three times, dip****. I keep bringing Lewis up because the majority of Klit haters are Lewis lovers, what's so irrational about that? I never, never said he was a great fighter, or was going to be, but when people start saying he should retire because of his losses...that's just plain ****ing stupid. he was never knocked out on any occasion by a single punch, and yet Lewis, who was, on two separate occasions, according to some, has accomplished great things in spite of this, which I agree with. So why all the blind hate? I can admit that Wlad most likely won't be in the hall of fame. The problem is, some posters here can't admit that he isn't a bum. Now watch as you and other Klit haters resort to name calling, or re-posting the same three knockout ****, or some stupid implication that I was trying to say he was as good as Ali, or was going to dominate the world, or some other stupid **** that I never said or implied, all in an attempt to show everyone how irrational I am and how no "level-headed boxing fan" could ever have a normal ****ing conversation with me about boxing.

why do you keep bringing up lewis? wlad's resume isnt close to lewis's and i dont think much of lewis anyway. your boy cant take a punch, and his defense is very weak that is why he gets hit so dam much


Who did I quote in that post?

If your not a Lewis fan, and you weren't quoted in my post, I guess you shouldn't worry about it, right?

"When a guy is labeled as some kind of a genious; he's bound to disappoint you."
-Larry Merchant

"When a guy is labeled as some kind of a genious; he's bound to disappoint you."
-Larry Merchant


You mean Wlad?

If that's the case then I agree, they never should have been hyped the way they were from the start. I guess part of it has to do with their skin color though.

You mean Wlad?

If that's the case then I agree, they never should have been hyped the way they were from the start. I guess part of it has to do with their skin color though.

I don't know about that. Look at Cotto and look at how much they hype him.

I don't know about that. Look at Cotto and look at how much they hype him.


Yeah, they really have hyped the **** out of Cotto. My first time seeing him was against Corley, and I have to say that, although he seems to be a very good fighter, I expected more because of the way I heard people talk about him.

Yeah, they really have hyped the **** out of Cotto. My first time seeing him was against Corley, and I have to say that, although he seems to be a very good fighter, I expected more because of the way I heard people talk about him.

Yeah, same here, I do like his body punching, though..

wlad should just help out in his brothers corner because he is all washed up

I agree! He has size and power on his side, but you cant "make" or train a good chin....simple as that. You dont have to be a "hater" or an idiot (as some have said :rolleyes: ) to know that. It's tiresome when some Klit fans simply cant live with the fact that some of us just dont worship the Klits..and see weaknesses and limitations that ARE there; and when they cant stand it anymore the disrespectful name calling begins. Never fails! I miss Nautilus..he was the ONLY Klit fan ANYBODY here could debate these facts with and not get called a bunch of names..it's was beneath him, and he is truly missed (that touch of class is noticably absent from this site! :( )

I agree! He has size and power on his side, but you cant "make" or train a good chin....simple as that. You dont have to be a "hater" or an idiot (as some have said :rolleyes: ) to know that. It's tiresome when some Klit fans simply cant live with the fact that some of us just dont worship the Klits..and see weaknesses and limitations that ARE there; and when they cant stand it anymore the disrespectful name calling begins. Never fails! I miss Nautilus..he was the ONLY Klit fan ANYBODY here could debate these facts with and not get called a bunch of names..it's was beneath him, and he is truly missed (that touch of class is noticably absent from this site! :( )


Is this directed at me?

How many fighters have gone on to have successful careers despite having flaws? I hope you're not throwing me in the crazy fan group, as I have always welcomed any and all to show me where I'm wrong, and like I said, I don't see him in the hall of fame, but to say he's garbage is as irrational as some of the things you guys say that Klit fans say about the Klits ( I have never personally heard most of these things said). And why is there nothing wrong with posters like Jose calling people names, I know you've seen it.

Is this directed at me?

How many fighters have gone on to have successful careers despite having flaws? I hope you're not throwing me in the crazy fan group, as I have always welcomed any and all to show me where I'm wrong, and like I said, I don't see him in the hall of fame, but to say he's garbage is as irrational as some of the things you guys say that Klit fans say about the Klits ( I have never personally heard most of these things said). And why is there nothing wrong with posters like Jose calling people names, I know you've seen it.

Absolutely NOT! You have never, EVER disrespected me or any of my posts, not that I can remember! Anytime I've debated with you you've always acted like a grown up and left out the name calling and my private life! ;) What Jose does is his business...I honestly havent seen him call anybody names that didnt call him some first. He's never called me any either. I can debate with him (and so can others) without worrying that he will make personal assumptions about me or call me an idiot

I agree! He has size and power on his side, but you cant "make" or train a good chin....simple as that. You dont have to be a "hater" or an idiot (as some have said :rolleyes: ) to know that. It's tiresome when some Klit fans simply cant live with the fact that some of us just dont worship the Klits..and see weaknesses and limitations that ARE there; and when they cant stand it anymore the disrespectful name calling begins. Never fails! I miss Nautilus..he was the ONLY Klit fan ANYBODY here could debate these facts with and not get called a bunch of names..it's was beneath him, and he is truly missed (that touch of class is noticably absent from this site! :( )


...Nautilus is still around BTW. Wlad has been hurt by a punch once in his career. He was not hurt by a punch in the Brewster fight nor the TOS fight, nor the Purrity fight. How can a guy be deemed to have a glass chin when he has only been stopped once by someone hurting him via his chin. Now when someone gets stopped twice in brutal fashion, and is knocked silly on many other occasions(Lewis) then they can truly be said to have a glass chin. Those are facts and the statement about Wlad having a glass chin is a guess based on one instance. Just because you call it a fact does not make it so.

He got stopped three times, but was not knocked out three times, dip****. I keep bringing Lewis up because the majority of Klit haters are Lewis lovers, what's so irrational about that? I never, never said he was a great fighter, or was going to be, but when people start saying he should retire because of his losses...that's just plain ****ing stupid. he was never knocked out on any occasion by a single punch, and yet Lewis, who was, on two separate occasions, according to some, has accomplished great things in spite of this, which I agree with. So why all the blind hate? I can admit that Wlad most likely won't be in the hall of fame. The problem is, some posters here can't admit that he isn't a bum. Now watch as you and other Klit haters resort to name calling, or re-posting the same three knockout ****, or some stupid implication that I was trying to say he was as good as Ali, or was going to dominate the world, or some other stupid **** that I never said or implied, all in an attempt to show everyone how irrational I am and how no "level-headed boxing fan" could ever have a normal ****ing conversation with me about boxing.


.....lol lol lol great post!!!

...Nautilus is still around BTW. Wlad has been hurt by a punch once in his career. He was not hurt by a punch in the Brewster fight nor the TOS fight, nor the Purrity fight. How can a guy be deemed to have a glass chin when he has only been stopped once by someone hurting him via his chin. Now when someone gets stopped twice in brutal fashion, and is knocked silly on many other occasions(Lewis) then they can truly be said to have a glass chin. Those are facts and the statement about Wlad having a glass chin is a guess based on one instance. Just because you call it a fact does not make it so.

Whatever you say..I've heard it all before anyway. He cant seem to go the distance either way now can he..so, call it what you want.

Whatever you say..I've heard it all before anyway. He cant seem to go the distance either way now can he..so, call it what you want.


....Yeah that's right, call it stamina if you want but if it's not a glass chin then don't act like it is. I was pointing out that your comment stating that he has a glass chin is not a "fact" in any way, shape, or form. He has been the "distance" on many occasions as well and had no issues on those occasions.

....Yeah that's right, call it stamina if you want but if it's not a glass chin then don't act like it is. I was pointing out that your comment stating that he has a glass chin is not a "fact" in any way, shape, or form. He has been the "distance" on many occasions as well and had no issues on those occasions.

sigh...yeah, okay, like I said, whatever you say :rolleyes:

Saw this post on the another forum, and yes it is a Wlad sackrider who posted it, but he makes a good point.


***A punch does not cause a person's blood sugar to go ski high, nor does it cause a diabetic coma.

A punch does not cause a person's lips to turn blue.

From the second round on Vlad was hardly able to fight, yet he was not even punched then.

Vlad went 12 rounds non-stop punching againt Byrd, knocking Byrd down in the 9th and 11th rounds.

Vlad went 8 round full speed against Axel Shultz without any problem.

Vlad threw more punches Vs. Mercer, yet he did not get tired at all.

Vlad stopped McCline at the end of 10 rounds, Vlad was not tired at all.

Vlad stopped Botha in the 8th round, not tired at all.

Vlad stopped Shufford in the 6th round, not tired at all.

Vlad stopped Barrett in the 7th round, not tired at all.

So, why should Vlads pupil get wide, his lips turn blue at the beginning of a fight with Brewster? Who was in the video? That is one thing you can't cover up for sure. Not counting all the other things that happened. MRI did not show a concussion either. Silly kids do not know who Vlad really is and do not know how good he is either. I know boxing politics, just check out the FBI video of the IBF, which I have seen. Also check out the bust in Vegas, confessions, bribes, etc.*****


the only thing im askign myself is why are you making excuses??
he lost Get over it and wait for his next fight,
i dotn hate him but come on man GET OVER IT HE LOST.

ok we will say that something was wrong in that fight, then klit lovers, please explain him getting dropped several times and humiliated by sanders? dont say sanders is a world class fighter either, the guy was old and out of shape, how many true champions get knocked out like that? that was embarrassing, and he looked like **** against tos too. he has a glass jaw people, deal with it!


I know other people have responded to this already, but I'll chime in here also:

Vlad was (and is) a young kid entering the ring against Sanders, a pretty seasoned fighter, with lightning fast hands, and as much (or more) power as any heavyweight on the planet, and a southpaw. He got caught with a big shot very early, lost his confidence, and still hasn't gotten it back. It's happened before in this sport, and it'll happen again. He really wasn't ready to fight someone like Sanders, who has a great chin and an even bigger punch, and the ability to make a hole to put it. Vlad Klitchko is a talented boxer, and carries dynamite in both hands, and if he ever gets his shattered self-confidence back, he'll breeze through the division with almost no effort at all. But.....that's the big IF....whether he'll ever get it back. He may, in a year or 3, when he gets around 30 or so, gain the confidence of a fully grown man, and come back, or he may not. Whether his chin is suspect really can't be determined at this point, though, because without self-confidence, a fighter doesn't have a chin. It's possible to have that confidence and still not have a good beard, but it's definitely not possible to have a good beard without self confidence. I'd like to see the kid get his head back on straight and help turn the division into one of the most exciting in history, but whether he can do it or not remains to be seen.

He got stopped three times, but was not knocked out three times, dip****. I keep bringing Lewis up because the majority of Klit haters are Lewis lovers, what's so irrational about that? I never, never said he was a great fighter, or was going to be, but when people start saying he should retire because of his losses...that's just plain ****ing stupid. he was never knocked out on any occasion by a single punch, and yet Lewis, who was, on two separate occasions, according to some, has accomplished great things in spite of this, which I agree with. So why all the blind hate? I can admit that Wlad most likely won't be in the hall of fame. The problem is, some posters here can't admit that he isn't a bum. Now watch as you and other Klit haters resort to name calling, or re-posting the same three knockout ****, or some stupid implication that I was trying to say he was as good as Ali, or was going to dominate the world, or some other stupid **** that I never said or implied, all in an attempt to show everyone how irrational I am and how no "level-headed boxing fan" could ever have a normal ****ing conversation with me about boxing.
Great post!!!
I agree with you 100%!!!

Absolutely NOT! You have never, EVER disrespected me or any of my posts, not that I can remember! Anytime I've debated with you you've always acted like a grown up and left out the name calling and my private life! ;) What Jose does is his business...I honestly havent seen him call anybody names that didnt call him some first. He's never called me any either. I can debate with him (and so can others) without worrying that he will make personal assumptions about me or call me an idiot


Sorry, I apologize for the hasty post, it just seems that for whatever reason, I can't seem to make any observations without someone calling me some sort of whinebag, or sissy girl, or kid, etc. But it won't happen again, promise.

Great post!!!
I agree with you 100%!!!


Lol Thanks

Saw this post on the another forum, and yes it is a Wlad sackrider who posted it, but he makes a good point.


***A punch does not cause a person's blood sugar to go ski high, nor does it cause a diabetic coma.

A punch does not cause a person's lips to turn blue.

From the second round on Vlad was hardly able to fight, yet he was not even punched then.

Vlad went 12 rounds non-stop punching againt Byrd, knocking Byrd down in the 9th and 11th rounds.

Vlad went 8 round full speed against Axel Shultz without any problem.

Vlad threw more punches Vs. Mercer, yet he did not get tired at all.

Vlad stopped McCline at the end of 10 rounds, Vlad was not tired at all.

Vlad stopped Botha in the 8th round, not tired at all.

Vlad stopped Shufford in the 6th round, not tired at all.

Vlad stopped Barrett in the 7th round, not tired at all.

So, why should Vlads pupil get wide, his lips turn blue at the beginning of a fight with Brewster? Who was in the video? That is one thing you can't cover up for sure. Not counting all the other things that happened. MRI did not show a concussion either. Silly kids do not know who Vlad really is and do not know how good he is either. I know boxing politics, just check out the FBI video of the IBF, which I have seen. Also check out the bust in Vegas, confessions, bribes, etc.*****
Very very very good points!!!
Klit haters are all idiots!!!

I know other people have responded to this already, but I'll chime in here also:

Vlad was (and is) a young kid entering the ring against Sanders, a pretty seasoned fighter, with lightning fast hands, and as much (or more) power as any heavyweight on the planet, and a southpaw. He got caught with a big shot very early, lost his confidence, and still hasn't gotten it back. It's happened before in this sport, and it'll happen again. He really wasn't ready to fight someone like Sanders, who has a great chin and an even bigger punch, and the ability to make a hole to put it. Vlad Klitchko is a talented boxer, and carries dynamite in both hands, and if he ever gets his shattered self-confidence back, he'll breeze through the division with almost no effort at all. But.....that's the big IF....whether he'll ever get it back. He may, in a year or 3, when he gets around 30 or so, gain the confidence of a fully grown man, and come back, or he may not. Whether his chin is suspect really can't be determined at this point, though, because without self-confidence, a fighter doesn't have a chin. It's possible to have that confidence and still not have a good beard, but it's definitely not possible to have a good beard without self confidence. I'd like to see the kid get his head back on straight and help turn the division into one of the most exciting in history, but whether he can do it or not remains to be seen.


I agree wholeheartedly, good observation!

Wlad has such a tendency to panic when he's hit, after the Sanders fight that it's hard to tell if he's even really hurt.

I agree! He has size and power on his side, but you cant "make" or train a good chin....simple as that.

So does Lewis not count now? Lewis is the perfect example of this.

Wlad has such a tendency to panic when he's hit, after the Sanders fight that it's hard to tell if he's even really hurt.

Agreed. That's what I've been saying all along. As if demonstrated here.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30037

Was Lewis drugged against McCall?

Against Rahman and his dreaded "lottery punch"?

Of course we all know you were when you Posted that garbage.


Waaaaa*sniff sniff* Waaaaaaa Waaaaaaa

Lennox Lewis fought at a world class level for more than a decade thats a level Wlad never even made it to.

Lennox Lewis also proved his mental by avenging both defeats, just wondering how many losses has Wlad avenged???? Come on how many?

Ross Purity
Corrie Sanders
Lamon Brewster

My god what a joke of a list. You would think Wlad would at least have the sack to avenge one of those losses.

Waaaaa*sniff sniff* Waaaaaaa Waaaaaaa

Lennox Lewis fought at a world class level for more than a decade thats a level Wlad never even made it to.

Lennox Lewis also proved his mental by avenging both defeats, just wondering how many losses has Wlad avenged???? Come on how many?

Ross Purity
Corrie Sanders
Lamon Brewster

My god what a joke of a list. You would think Wlad would at least have the sack to avenge one of those losses.

What exactly makes Rahman and McCall so great? Besides Lewis Rahman has had a draw with fat Tua and McCall beat a 46 year old Holmes. LOL. We really don't need to go into the Wlad avenging his losses again because I showed you before. Wlad is obviously no where near Lewis's level, but Wlad is only 28 and he may or may not be shot. But I will say this, at 28 years of age Wlad beaten better competition than Lewis did by the time that he was 28. :sad6:

Waaaaa*sniff sniff* Waaaaaaa Waaaaaaa

Lennox Lewis fought at a world class level for more than a decade thats a level Wlad never even made it to.

Lennox Lewis also proved his mental by avenging both defeats, just wondering how many losses has Wlad avenged???? Come on how many?

Ross Purity
Corrie Sanders
Lamon Brewster

My god what a joke of a list. You would think Wlad would at least have the sack to avenge one of those losses.

See what I'm talking about, I started my posts arguing logically, simply calling it irrational to say that Wlad is garbage simply because he hasn't lived up to the hype. What did you do? You danced right around what I posted and resorted to calling everyone whiners or something like that, it's not worth my time to look back and see, so I posted something about your beloved Lewis, and now this. You have yet to explain to me why we are all supposed to think that Wlad is garbage just because of a few losses. I've posted several times that I know he's not an all time great, I just wanted to know why you haters going to the other end of the spectrum and calling for his retirement. You just resort to name calling and weak ass pot shots or implications, like implying that I'm comparing Wlad to LL. That would be stupid of me to do, just as it was stupid of you to imply it. Go ahead, keep ignoring my points and dancing around the questions and the meaning of my posts if you like, you think you're brilliant by twisting **** around and purposely ignoring what I really do post, but that **** is weak, and you're a ****ing joke of a poster if I ever saw one. If you could manage to have a civilized debate without attacking what I or others post, and ask legitimate questions as well as honestly answer the questions I pose to you, I would respect you more, but unless you're able to manage that, you're still just a weak ass poser (yes, poser) with nothing worth while to say. (waits for all the sniff...sniff posts that will undoubtedly take the place of any valid, legitimate points a real poster would have)

One could make the case that he was behind on the cards in the TOS fight, at the time of the stoppage. TOS was rocking his ass left and right.

If you get hurt by a cruiserweight, then its time to hangem up. Because Wlad could get seriously hurt in the future.

One could make the case that he was behind on the cards in the TOS fight, at the time of the stoppage. TOS was rocking his ass left and right.

If you get hurt by a cruiserweight, then its time to hangem up. Because Wlad could get seriously hurt in the future.

I guess I missed TOS rocking his ass left and right. At worst the TOS fight was 47-47 and at best it was 49-46 Wlad which is how two of the judges saw it. And since when is TOS a cruiser weight? :confused:

I guess I missed TOS rocking his ass left and right. At worst the TOS fight was 47-47 and at best it was 49-46 Wlad which is how two of the judges saw it. And since when is TOS a cruiser weight? :confused:


It's funny.....Touch Of Sleep looks like a small guy, until you see him next to a tape, or standing next to another tall guy. He didn't look much shorter than Vlad once they got close, but from across the ring he looked much smaller. He's actually 6'3"....a pretty goood sized fella.

One could make the case that he was behind on the cards in the TOS fight, at the time of the stoppage. TOS was rocking his ass left and right.

If you get hurt by a cruiserweight, then its time to hangem up. Because Wlad could get seriously hurt in the future.


You can't be serious...

One could make the case that he was behind on the cards in the TOS fight, at the time of the stoppage. TOS was rocking his ass left and right.

If you get hurt by a cruiserweight, then its time to hangem up. Because Wlad could get seriously hurt in the future.

Man that dude is a true heavy, check his stats, and say what you like about the cards, as I personally only gave TOS maybe a round (the one where he caught Wlad), and even that one could have been even, as he really did nothing else that round, and took some significant heat when Wlad got up (the only thing to actually touch the canvas was his glove), but I have watched the fight a few times now, and have yet to see where Wlad was ever rocked.

Man that dude is a true heavy, check his stats, and say what you like about the cards, as I personally only gave TOS maybe a round (the one where he caught Wlad), and even that one could have been even, as he really did nothing else that round, and took some significant heat when Wlad got up (the only thing to actually touch the canvas was his glove), but I have watched the fight a few times now, and have yet to see where Wlad was ever rocked.

do you have the fight?

do you have the fight?

I've got it on tape somewhere. It was a flash-knockdown, Vlad was back up before the ref even began to count, no biggie. He did catch a few other flush punches, but nothing rocked him that I saw (or remember). He was just sort of panicky throughout the fight. He won easily enough, I suppose, but he didn't look comfortable in the ring at all, and that just goes all the way back to his Sanders fight, where he lost all his confidence.

VLAD WAS KTFO!!!! BY LAMON BREWSTER LMFAOO!!!!. If there wasnt anything wrong with wlad then why did he get knocked down by TOUCH OF SLEEP?? LMFAO!!! what a joke

VLAD WAS KTFO!!!! BY LAMON BREWSTER LMFAOO!!!!. If there wasnt anything wrong with wlad then why did he get knocked down by TOUCH OF SLEEP?? LMFAO!!! what a joke

Ahh, another "expert" :)

Vlad basically TKO'd himself against Brewster, and anybody can get knocked down, and whether you realize this or not, Touch Of Sleep does have a pretty good punch. Nothing like Sanders or Lewis, but enough to put the lights out if he connects, and he did. If Vlad didn't have a chin, he probably would've been in trouble from that punch that caused the flash knockdown, but he wasn't, and in fact, he came back enough that I'd almost score it a 9/9 round.

Ahh, another "expert" :)

Vlad basically TKO'd himself against Brewster, and anybody can get knocked down, and whether you realize this or not, Touch Of Sleep does have a pretty good punch. Nothing like Sanders or Lewis, but enough to put the lights out if he connects, and he did. If Vlad didn't have a chin, he probably would've been in trouble from that punch that caused the flash knockdown, but he wasn't, and in fact, he came back enough that I'd almost score it a 9/9 round.

Listening to people justify every single one of Wladimir's losses, is similar in nature to Tyson. When Wlad loses, its because of malnutrition, foul-play, or some other circumstance. For Tyson, it might be an "injury", or the classic:
"if he trained" statement.

Listening to people justify every single one of Wladimir's losses, is similar in nature to Tyson. When Wlad loses, its because of malnutrition, foul-play, or some other circumstance. For Tyson, it might be an "injury", or the classic:
"if he trained" statement.


No, don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say there was foul play, or anything else. He punched himself out in the early rounds and had nothing left...he was exhausted to the point he couldn't stand up, and gave Brewster a TKO win.

No, don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say there was foul play, or anything else. He punched himself out in the early rounds and had nothing left...he was exhausted to the point he couldn't stand up, and gave Brewster a TKO win.

Im not necessarily saying you.

im saying in general.
:boxing:

See what I'm talking about, I started my posts arguing logically, simply calling it irrational to say that Wlad is garbage simply because he hasn't lived up to the hype. What did you do? You danced right around what I posted and resorted to calling everyone whiners or something like that, it's not worth my time to look back and see, so I posted something about your beloved Lewis, and now this. You have yet to explain to me why we are all supposed to think that Wlad is garbage just because of a few losses. I've posted several times that I know he's not an all time great, I just wanted to know why you haters going to the other end of the spectrum and calling for his retirement. You just resort to name calling and weak ass pot shots or implications, like implying that I'm comparing Wlad to LL. That would be stupid of me to do, just as it was stupid of you to imply it. Go ahead, keep ignoring my points and dancing around the questions and the meaning of my posts if you like, you think you're brilliant by twisting **** around and purposely ignoring what I really do post, but that **** is weak, and you're a ****ing joke of a poster if I ever saw one. If you could manage to have a civilized debate without attacking what I or others post, and ask legitimate questions as well as honestly answer the questions I pose to you, I would respect you more, but unless you're able to manage that, you're still just a weak ass poser (yes, poser) with nothing worth while to say. (waits for all the sniff...sniff posts that will undoubtedly take the place of any valid, legitimate points a real poster would have)

Oh shut the hell up you shameless groupie and make no mistake thats exactly what you are a groupie. If I remember right you were the one who siad I must have been drugged when I posted "That garbage" now your *****ing about people calling you names?

No one is going to have a civil conversation with you about Wlad because the second they say anything other than he's a legit fighter who will come to the top your gonna start to *****.

You have made ZERO points just excuses. Do you know how laughable these names are, Corrie Sanders, Ross Purity and Lamon Brewster? Do you? Maybe people are calling for him to retire because its obvious he is fighting scared now. Of course any boxing fan who doesn't have an agenda can tell you that. When you fight scared your only going to hurt yourself maybe thats why people are calling for him to hang it up.

You even said it yourself. Your exact words were


Wlad has such a tendency to panic when he's hit

Well guess ****ing what? His ass better take up Tennis if he is panicing when he gets hit cause I dont know if you know this or not, boxing involves HITTING and getting HIT.

Now grow up, stop making excuse and throw Wlad's lifeless body on top of the heap with Jerry Cooney, Micheal Grant, Tommy Morrison and the countless other who were suppossed to be great and never amounted to anything.

There was definitely something strange about the Brewster fight. I'm not saying for sure that another person was to to blame but there was something physically wrong with Wlad on that night and it wasn't as simple as him having punched himself out. He has never looked that exhausted and drained in a fight before.

You right, KA. Maybe too much sex and drugs the night before. Acting a lot like us after a long night with a bad hangover.

I think he'll be back. He's still too good to give it up.

I'm gonna laugh at you ****ers when the truth finaly does come out about the Wlad/Brewster fight!

it was very weird wen wladamir got tired against brewster, i think Don King had sumthing to do with dat

or maybe he has aids

One could make the case that he was behind on the cards in the TOS fight, at the time of the stoppage. TOS was rocking his ass left and right.

If you get hurt by a cruiserweight, then its time to hangem up. Because Wlad could get seriously hurt in the future.
You're a ****ing liar!!!

You're a ****ing liar!!!


...Yeah, obviously this clown didn't see the fight or he is just plain lying to stir **** up.

i like wlad, but until there's proof that something illegal happened against brewster, i'll have to say he folded from fatigue and pressure, most of it mental.... i know wlad threw just as many or more punches in other fights, but this was after the sanders KO and brewster to his credit, took an ass whippin and kept coming... i think wlad just punched himself out...

i also don't think wlad's chin is as bad people say, he's only been KO'd by punches once IMO... he doesnt have a steel chin, but its not glass either... lewis never had a great chin either.... I think wlad should take a few confidence building fights, get things rolling again... he doesn't need the byrd fight right now, he's still young and has time...

i like wlad, but until there's proof that something illegal happened against brewster, i'll have to say he folded from fatigue and pressure, most of it mental.... i know wlad threw just as many or more punches in other fights, but this was after the sanders KO and brewster to his credit, took an ass whippin and kept coming... i think wlad just punched himself out...

i also don't think wlad's chin is as bad people say, he's only been KO'd by punches once IMO... he doesnt have a steel chin, but its not glass either... lewis never had a great chin either.... I think wlad should take a few confidence building fights, get things rolling again... he doesn't need the byrd fight right now, he's still young and has time...


Ahh....Sanity.

Sorry, I apologize for the hasty post, it just seems that for whatever reason, I can't seem to make any observations without someone calling me some sort of whinebag, or sissy girl, or kid, etc. But it won't happen again, promise.

You dont owe me any apology...you only asked me a valid question, after all. No problems here! ;)

i like wlad, but until there's proof that something illegal happened against brewster, i'll have to say he folded from fatigue and pressure, most of it mental.... i know wlad threw just as many or more punches in other fights, but this was after the sanders KO and brewster to his credit, took an ass whippin and kept coming... i think wlad just punched himself out...

i also don't think wlad's chin is as bad people say, he's only been KO'd by punches once IMO... he doesnt have a steel chin, but its not glass either... lewis never had a great chin either.... I think wlad should take a few confidence building fights, get things rolling again... he doesn't need the byrd fight right now, he's still young and has time...

I think he can win the Byrd fight (especially in Germany). The way the first fight went, and the fact that Byrd is on the slide as well will see Vlad victorius.

However I do think that the fight could come too soon for him. His confidence must be pretty low at the moment. The win against Williamson probably did more harm than good. I hope he does regain his confidence as I rate him highly and I think he can still be a major force in the division

yeah, unlike the wlad haters, i do think wlad has all the tools to stil be the "heir apparent"..... but also, unlike the wlad lovers, i believ he's a changed fighter from before the sanders and brewster loss and needs some rebuilding fights against guys like cley bey, harris or oleg....

yeah, unlike the wlad haters, i do think wlad has all the tools to stil be the "heir apparent"..... but also, unlike the wlad lovers, i believ he's a changed fighter from before the sanders and brewster loss and needs some rebuilding fights against guys like cley bey, harris or oleg....

Well im a klitschko nuthugger and i agree that the sanders fight has changed him a lot.

A confident wlad would whop tos silly and ko him in 2 rounds.

Oh shut the hell up you shameless groupie and make no mistake thats exactly what you are a groupie. If I remember right you were the one who siad I must have been drugged when I posted "That garbage" now your *****ing about people calling you names?

No one is going to have a civil conversation with you about Wlad because the second they say anything other than he's a legit fighter who will come to the top your gonna start to *****.

You have made ZERO points just excuses. Do you know how laughable these names are, Corrie Sanders, Ross Purity and Lamon Brewster? Do you? Maybe people are calling for him to retire because its obvious he is fighting scared now. Of course any boxing fan who doesn't have an agenda can tell you that. When you fight scared your only going to hurt yourself maybe thats why people are calling for him to hang it up.

You even said it yourself. Your exact words were



Well guess ****ing what? His ass better take up Tennis if he is panicing when he gets hit cause I dont know if you know this or not, boxing involves HITTING and getting HIT.

Now grow up, stop making excuse and throw Wlad's lifeless body on top of the heap with Jerry Cooney, Micheal Grant, Tommy Morrison and the countless other who were suppossed to be great and never amounted to anything.


You ****ing idiot...

I said you were drugged because you implied, again, that I was the one saying he was drugged in the Brewster fight. Although I thought the fight was awful strange, I never said anything like that, this is just another one of your futile attempts at making me seem irrational in order to make your posts sound more reasonable, and don't even try that **** about name calling because you and I both know we've both been calling each other names since long before now, because that's the only thing you know how to do when someone makes valid points and calls you on your biased "observations" of fighters and fights. The only reason I even brought it up is because certain people had posted their negative opinions about simple name calling instead of any productive debating between the Klit haters and Huggers, if that's how you'd like to refer to them. I just wanted to at least bring it to people's attention that the Klit "huggers" are not the only ones to engage it that type of behavior, as you almost always resort to insults and name calling when you're challenged, and by the way, that's right, I said he gets panicky, because I have the balls to call it like I see it, the good and the bad alike. How many successful fighters throughout history have fought "scared"? At least I have a realistic idea of what most fighters are about, and if a fighter I like has a flaw, I acknowledge it. That's far more than you have ever done since I've been on this site. You are one of those people that think you have to "win" every arguement, and your definition of winning seems to simply be getting the last word in, whether it makes sense or not. You say that no one can have a civilized debate with me because I'll fly off the handle as soon as someone says he's less than great? Do you even really read my posts? Have you ever tried to debate anything with me without attacking me and calling me some ****** **** like "groupie"? No, the answer is you have never tried to, and most likely never will, because the truth is you're the one who can never accept any opinion other than your own, and I've stopped making points because you never even tried to respond to any of them, starting with the first one I ever made, it's a waste of my time to make valid points to you because you never try to debate me, you just start that ****** **** you always resort to. Look over my posts, with exception to the ones with you, Jabbie, and Boxing collector, and you will see that I interact with others and treat others with much more respect than you ever have. I just treat you bad because it's the only thing you understand, you don't appreciate respect, you seem to think you deserve it because of who you are, and since you're nobody to me, I disagree. I feel I've done my part as far as trying to discuss fights and fighters in a civil manner with everyone, and will continue to do so with everyone else. Like I said, if you ever made an effort to make valid points and focused a little less on trying to humiliate people, I might respect you more, but as it stands, the more you post that bull****, the more people are going to see that you don't even come here to talk about boxing, you come here looking for an arguement, because it makes you feel good when you can make someone else stop posting, and for Christ's sake, invest in a ****ing speak and spell!

Listening to people justify every single one of Wladimir's losses, is similar in nature to Tyson. When Wlad loses, its because of malnutrition, foul-play, or some other circumstance. For Tyson, it might be an "injury", or the classic:
"if he trained" statement.


I just hope that's not directed at me, because I never said any of those things, I just don't think he's completely shot yet.

You ****ing idiot...

I said you were drugged because you implied, again, that I was the one saying he was drugged in the Brewster fight. Although I thought the fight was awful strange, I never said anything like that, this is just another one of your futile attempts at making me seem irrational in order to make your posts sound more reasonable, and don't even try that **** about name calling because you and I both know we've both been calling each other names since long before now, because that's the only thing you know how to do when someone makes valid points and calls you on your biased "observations" of fighters and fights. The only reason I even brought it up is because certain people had posted their negative opinions about simple name calling instead of any productive debating between the Klit haters and Huggers, if that's how you'd like to refer to them. I just wanted to at least bring it to people's attention that the Klit "huggers" are not the only ones to engage it that type of behavior, as you almost always resort to insults and name calling when you're challenged, and by the way, that's right, I said he gets panicky, because I have the balls to call it like I see it, the good and the bad alike. How many successful fighters throughout history have fought "scared"? At least I have a realistic idea of what most fighters are about, and if a fighter I like has a flaw, I acknowledge it. That's far more than you have ever done since I've been on this site. You are one of those people that think you have to "win" every arguement, and your definition of winning seems to simply be getting the last word in, whether it makes sense or not. You say that no one can have a civilized debate with me because I'll fly off the handle as soon as someone says he's less than great? Do you even really read my posts? Have you ever tried to debate anything with me without attacking me and calling me some ****** **** like "groupie"? No, the answer is you have never tried to, and most likely never will, because the truth is you're the one who can never accept any opinion other than your own, and I've stopped making points because you never even tried to respond to any of them, starting with the first one I ever made, it's a waste of my time to make valid points to you because you never try to debate me, you just start that ****** **** you always resort to. Look over my posts, with exception to the ones with you, Jabbie, and Boxing collector, and you will see that I interact with others and treat others with much more respect than you ever have. I just treat you bad because it's the only thing you understand, you don't appreciate respect, you seem to think you deserve it because of who you are, and since you're nobody to me, I disagree. I feel I've done my part as far as trying to discuss fights and fighters in a civil manner with everyone, and will continue to do so with everyone else. Like I said, if you ever made an effort to make valid points and focused a little less on trying to humiliate people, I might respect you more, but as it stands, the more you post that bull****, the more people are going to see that you don't even come here to talk about boxing, you come here looking for an arguement, because it makes you feel good when you can make someone else stop posting, and for Christ's sake, invest in a ****ing speak and spell!
Very good points!!!

I have been saying for months that wlad is far from done.I hope Byrd take the rematch.

I have been saying for months that wlad is far from done.I hope Byrd take the rematch.

Yeah, I do too, Byrd and his fans have talked so much trash in spite of the one-sided fight that took place last time. Byrd has come up with plenty of excuses for his fights, I don't know why nobody jumps on him.

Very good points!!!

Thanks, too bad I'll be at work by the time he replies at 6:00 in the morning, I swear, his posts make less and less sense each time he posts lol

This is an old argument. I am a fan of Wladimir Klitschko. I don't know if he will ever live up to the original expectations of being the heir apparent to Lennox Lewis. At this point, it sure doesn't look like he will.

Having said that, countless champions have been knocked out, many have made successful come backs and many have not. I just don't think it's fair to say a guy should retire for getting knocked out when other fighters (Lewis, Tyson, Ali, and countless many others) get KO'ed and it's just a bump in the road of their careers. With Wladimir being 28 or 29 years old and still has his wits about him, it would be ridiculous to suggest that he should retire at this point. He may not be the best out there, but he has accomplished enough and earned the right to attempt a comeback.Those that don't agree have clearly formed their opinion without regard for boxing and solely on personal preference. In other words, they are bias.

In some of Wlad's fights, he kicks the crap out of his opponent and punches himself out (Brewster, Purity, T.O.S.). If he had the ref from the Cotto/Corley fight, he would have only one loss. Sanders is the only one ever to knock Wlad literally out.

In regards to Lewis, There is nothing wrong with making a comparison between Lewis and Wladimir. Lewis was good in the mid 90’s, but he wasn’t a God. Besides getting knocked literally out twice, he had his faults. They say Lewis dropped the WBA and IBF belts because there was more money and fan interest in other fights. Yet Lewis retired rather than rematch Vitali for a boat load of money and tremendous fan interest.

It doesn't take a psychiatrist to figure that one out.

Are you fooled?

Wladimir is a fighter who has alot to prove. He has 3 losses, that he has yet to avenge. In comparison to Lewis, yes Lewis has 2 losses by K.O....however he avenged those losses in impressive fashion. Wladimir seems to have stamina problems as of late, and they are becoming progressive with every fight. He has also lost a great deal of confidence in the ring, as well as having been "exposed" by slick hard punching fighters. There is no question he was a great fighter, However; as shallow as the HW division is right now...I still dont see him winning a title.

The best shot he has is a rematch with byrd, and that is definitely not going to happen. Chris Byrd's sights are on a unification
bout. Time is seriously running out for Wlad. :boxing: