Roy Jones lost for a couple of reasons:
A.)After the Tarver fight people saw 2 things 1.)Bad Chin 2.)pressuring Jones works.
B.)Roy Jones is getting older.
C.)Roy Jones isn't quite as hungry as he once was.(rightfully so)

Should we erase Roy Jones whole career off two KO losses? No

See the truth is Antonio Tarver exposed Roy Jones Jr.'s chin and now other are capitalizing on it.

If you pressure Jones he will eventually fall, but all great careers must come to end.

Roy Jones lost for a couple of reasons:
A.)After the Tarver fight people saw 2 things 1.)Bad Chin 2.)pressuring Jones works.
B.)Roy Jones is getting older.
C.)Roy Jones isn't quite as hungry as he once was.(rightfully so)

Should we erase Roy Jones whole career off two KO losses? No

See the truth is Antonio Tarver exposed Roy Jones Jr.'s chin and now other are capitalizing on it.

If you pressure Jones he will eventually fall, but all great careers must come to end.
how can you say bad chin when the three times he has been down were all by good power punches?

His ego is greater than his will.....

now i can see that but he has been hit alot and showed a goo chin

now i can see that but he has been hit alot and showed a goo chin
Yes, a "goo chin" a chin made of goo. :p

LMAO my bad a good chin

I could say the same thing about Wlad's chin, but the fact of the matter is that they both have below average chins.

I think age and weight fluxuations took its toll on Roy. He's been in there with some hard banging MF's. Toney, Hopkins, Harding, etc.

I can attest that Roy Jones has just pretty much lost will power. But my dad says he's probably on drugs. He just does not seem connected in this fight and he barely did in the last Tarver fight...but who knows? there's a difference between a confused out of it face and a tired exhausted face...Hoya had the face that he was completely exhausted overwhelmed by the punches of Hopkins...Jones barely threw a punch after round 3 where he actually won the round...how could he have been that tired?

Johnson is only a "C" grade fighter but he has an "A" grade will. Roy is weak, if you recorded the fight you will see what I am talking about. Pure terror in his sleep deprived eyes....

He's done. Don't talk about Roy not being done. It's stupid for him to keep fighting. A Roy Jones you can hit is not Roy Jones. It's somebody else. And that guy shouldn't keep fighting. Tarver would have put him into the ER tonight.

Roy Jones will always be a hall of famer
but his career is over and he ddint look like he wanted it at all

Delahoya actually believed in his chances up until about halfway thru round 5. Roy was afraid from the get-go. Look when he first got into the ring he was so crazed he tried to lay a team style "touch'em up" to a complete stranger! I knew right then he was troubled...

Let's say that Jones was aware that he had a weak chin from the start of his career. Shouldn't he get props for figuring out a way to protect his weakness? If he had the skills to hide this weakness for 48 fights & millions of dollars before someone figured it out, he is one smart SOB.

He gets props from me.

It's like Royce Gracie (sp?) using Brazilian Jui Jitsu & kicking everyone's ass until everyone caught on. He'll probably get his ass kicked now, but will still go down as a legend.

He's done. Don't talk about Roy not being done. It's stupid for him to keep fighting. A Roy Jones you can hit is not Roy Jones. It's somebody else. And that guy shouldn't keep fighting. Tarver would have put him into the ER tonight.
tarver aint **** either he just got moore fight in um cuz he want money

He's done. Don't talk about Roy not being done. It's stupid for him to keep fighting. A Roy Jones you can hit is not Roy Jones. It's somebody else. And that guy shouldn't keep fighting. Tarver would have put him into the ER tonight.
tarver aint **** either he just got more fight in um cuz he want money

His ego is greater than his will.....
exactly thats all it is

exactly thats all it is

Who would have done different. If I had a record like that and I was able to toy with my opponents for years and years, heck ya I'd get overconfident and my ego will boost up. This goes the same for everyone. Your winnning all yer fights, what do you think your suppose to think. You da best? Fo sho! What teh **** else would you think. The guy had a big ego because he was human like you and me.

Let's say that Jones was aware that he had a weak chin from the start of his career. Shouldn't he get props for figuring out a way to protect his weakness? If he had the skills to hide this weakness for 48 fights & millions of dollars before someone figured it out, he is one smart SOB.

He gets props from me.

It's like Royce Gracie (sp?) using Brazilian Jui Jitsu & kicking everyone's ass until everyone caught on. He'll probably get his ass kicked now, but will still go down as a legend.

No that would pretty much make him a fraud. Why would a fraud get props?

Despite what his record says, Johnson's not a C-level fighter. Particularly as of late. I saw his "draw" with Clinton Woods and he whooped that boy's ass

Despite what his record says, Johnson's not a C-level fighter. Particularly as of late. I saw his "draw" with Clinton Woods and he whooped that boy's ass

No clearly not, but he is not a power puncher either.

No that would pretty much make him a fraud. Why would a fraud get props?

lol it's not like he doesn't pay his taxes. Wtf ou talking about fraud. If his chin wasn't so good, you saying he should announce it to the whole world?

You guys are confusing "Skill" with "Will" if the former can't triumph in short order the latter will always come out on top. Same as in life.

No I'm saying he shouldn't ducked certain fighters. If you want to be the best you have to beat the best, which Jones clearly didn't do at light heavyweight.

i have'nt seen the fight yet so i cant make judgement on what all of you saw, but it sounds to me like hes just not what he used to be, the comment about pressuring jones may be true now that hes older but it has not always been like that. find jones fight with bryant brannon and tell me if you've ever seen a bigger charge on roy jones. it did'nt work for brannon but obviously that was a long time ago and jones was still prime time.

besides dariusz michalwotever who else did jones duck

ive only followed him since he beat my fellow brit clinton woods

He's done. Don't talk about Roy not being done. It's stupid for him to keep fighting. A Roy Jones you can hit is not Roy Jones. It's somebody else.

yeah, i just saw the video in the gallery, i cant beleive roy just stood there and got hit like that. it was ****ing crazy how he just stood there, i know hes done but i guess hes old to.

yeah, i just saw the video in the gallery, i cant beleive roy just stood there and got hit like that. it was ****ing crazy how he just stood there, i know hes done but i guess hes old to.

thats all ive seen too...and i cant believe it either...when tarver kod jones at least jones was throwing a punch.

i think that roy was so worried about the big ko punch that he just stood thier waiting for it and then it was too late.

i wonder what hes doing right now.i want to hear his views on the fight and his career.

a major reason in my opinion why got knocked out is because he is still trying to box the same way that he always has. obviously he probably wasn't mentally there and he just doesn't have the same speed that he used to but...

1. his hands are NEVER up
2. he should have used more upper body movement
3. he should've moved around rather than staying near the ropes
4. he should've jabbed more even though he's not a great jabber so that at least he can open up some holes...

i don't know...i don't get it. these are things that he can still accomplish...who knows what's going through his lately

I think we ALL just have to sit back and realise that this is the end of an era of one of the most talented fighters to have ever entered the ring. Not only did he lose interest in the fight game before the first Tarver fight he also lost something even more important that i didn't realise truely at the time and that was his heart. As soon as the heart dies then it doesn't matter how much talent you have all, been in the ring with a VERY hungry fighter like Johnson is a bad combination.

I think we ALL just have to sit back and realise that this is the end of an era of one of the most talented fighters to have ever entered the ring. Not only did he lose interest in the fight game before the first Tarver fight he also lost something even more important that i didn't realise truely at the time and that was his heart. As soon as the heart dies then it doesn't matter how much talent you have all, been in the ring with a VERY hungry fighter like Johnson is a bad combination.

I agree. Its time for Jones to sit back and relax. Retire rich, healthy, and happy.

1.) Old, and everything that goes with that word.
2.) Tired-- Roy has been in boxing for 20 years; office workers get optional retirement with that kind of length of service and they don't even get punched!

So, Roy has been KO'd twice and he may have ducked a figher or two during his various reigns at different weights. But are we to disregard his entire sterling career because of those? Throw the baby out with the bath water? :confused:

I think the biggest problem came from Roy not being able to develop another attribute after his speed and reflexes started declining.

RJJ fought mostly old men or scrubs.....he avoided Dariusz Michalczewski (THE REAL LINEAR CHAMPION) like the plague and was an unindicted party to the WBC/Rocchigiani title belt scandal. **** RJJ and the craven media that willingly propped up his Potemkinesque career in the UNHOLY name of ratings and merchandising.

a major reason in my opinion why got knocked out is because he is still trying to box the same way that he always has. obviously he probably wasn't mentally there and he just doesn't have the same speed that he used to but...

1. his hands are NEVER up
2. he should have used more upper body movement
3. he should've moved around rather than staying near the ropes
4. he should've jabbed more even though he's not a great jabber so that at least he can open up some holes...

i don't know...i don't get it. these are things that he can still accomplish...who knows what's going through his lately

I think i remember him having an excellent jab, he just enver used it lol. In his olympic days, he jabbed like a mofo. He had all 4 attributes in your list, it's just that he found ways of winning without using them. Till it caught up to him.

Roy Jones lost for a couple of reasons:
A.)After the Tarver fight people saw 2 things 1.)Bad Chin 2.)pressuring Jones works.
B.)Roy Jones is getting older.
C.)Roy Jones isn't quite as hungry as he once was.(rightfully so)

Should we erase Roy Jones whole career off two KO losses? No

See the truth is Antonio Tarver exposed Roy Jones Jr.'s chin and now other are capitalizing on it.

If you pressure Jones he will eventually fall, but all great careers must come to end.


Look more like its A!

Man, this is like the millionth time I'm responding to a Roy Jones Jr. topic and it's funny cause I pretty much type the same feedback. To end all this Roy Jones Jr. argument about his "greatness" would y'all agree to this that Roy Jones Jr. was a great talent but not a great fighter? Personally I think he was an awesome talent nobody even comes close, but you have got to have all the other attributes besides having great hand and footspeed to be mentioned with the Ali's and Holyfields of the world. I mean everybody is using the excuse of Roy Jones getting old, but those two recent k.o's of his showed that he was the faster fighter of the two in Tarver and Johnson. Unlike Holyfield who has definitely shown some major wear and tear and his athleticism has clearly deteriorated, Jones to this day is clearly still one of the quickest fighters out there, in fact he is the fastest in his division(s) whether i'd be Light heavy or heavyweight, hell lets even include super middle.

Roy Jones lost for a couple of reasons:
A.)After the Tarver fight people saw 2 things 1.)Bad Chin 2.)pressuring Jones works.
B.)Roy Jones is getting older.
C.)Roy Jones isn't quite as hungry as he once was.(rightfully so)

Should we erase Roy Jones whole career off two KO losses? No

See the truth is Antonio Tarver exposed Roy Jones Jr.'s chin and now other are capitalizing on it.

If you pressure Jones he will eventually fall, but all great careers must come to end.


Tarver didn't pressure RJJ in the second fight. RJJ was controlling the fight till the end.

Tarver didn't pressure RJJ in the second fight. RJJ was controlling the fight till the end.

Which was less than two rounds.

jones should take time off like tito and comeback refreshed

Jones really doesn't have anything to prove anymore. He's been champ for so long but he's getting older and his reflexes are just not there. Not only that but didn't Roy just look bored when he was fighting Johnson. It just seemed like he was going through the motions from the 3rd round on until he got decked. Boxing is not a sport you can half step with even with Roy's talent.

Jack tha rippuh, i agree with you on this:

I think the biggest problem came from Roy not being able to develop another attribute after his speed and reflexes started declining.

Had RJJ depended on great technique, a stiff jab, keeping his gloves up, his career could have lasted a lot longer... Also after so many years of the media saying he was superman and didn't have to do the things normal fighters do, he started believing it. When he saw that he couldn't compete at heavyweight, i think the last of his real desire to compete flushed down the toilet, after you're the WBA hw champ it's a real bummer to go back down and face Tarver because you find out you can't unify the titles at heavyweight

I have always told anybody that would listen that Jones was the most overrated fighter of his time. Jones makes mistakes most amateurs wouldn't. But he got away with it because of his speed and because his oponents for the most part were second raters. Hopkins was nowhere near his prime when he fought Jones, he was still very inexperienced. Toney was weight weakened. Does anybody out there really believe in their wildest dreams that Toney would not flatten Roy Jones today (or before he fought Tarver the 1st time?) As fo Virgil Hill, he wasn't doing too badly despite the fact that he was past his prime until he got hit by a freaky shot that broke his ribs. Getting hit "just right" in the short ribs will wreck anybody, just ask ODH!
Ring Magazine had an interesting article on the subject of Roy Jones invincibility, "Ten Fighters Who Would Have Kicked Roy Jones Ass". Some of those mentioned were Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Bob Foster. I'd also like to add Willie Pastrano, who would have given him a boxing lesson, Harold Johnson, Michael Spinks and possibly Bob Satterfield, the most dangerous puncher of the bunch. And there are several others like Billy Conn and
Hary Kid Matthews.
Jones has been exposed as a fighter who has a first rate china chin. The first time he got clocked, his career was over!

I have always told anybody that would listen that Jones was the most overrated fighter of his time. Jones makes mistakes most amateurs wouldn't. But he got away with it because of his speed and because his oponents for the most part were second raters. Hopkins was nowhere near his prime when he fought Jones, he was still very inexperienced. Toney was weight weakened. Does anybody out there really believe in their wildest dreams that Toney would not flatten Roy Jones today (or before he fought Tarver the 1st time?) As fo Virgil Hill, he wasn't doing too badly despite the fact that he was past his prime until he got hit by a freaky shot that broke his ribs. Getting hit "just right" in the short ribs will wreck anybody, just ask ODH!
Ring Magazine had an interesting article on the subject of Roy Jones invincibility, "Ten Fighters Who Would Have Kicked Roy Jones Ass". Some of those mentioned were Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Bob Foster. I'd also like to add Willie Pastrano, who would have given him a boxing lesson, Harold Johnson, Michael Spinks and possibly Bob Satterfield, the most dangerous puncher of the bunch. And there are several others like Billy Conn and
Hary Kid Matthews.
Jones has been exposed as a fighter who has a first rate china chin. The first time he got clocked, his career was over!

BS!

Hopkins hits him with 4 or 5 perfectly timed overhand rights, and Roy took them fine.

He's not hungry anymore, and shouldn't fight again unless he becomes hungry.

Give him some credit, he played with Toney and Hopkins. Weight loss is a BS excuse for Toney, and Hopkins was a very good fighter way back then.

poor roy.

if he would've made the simple choice to not move up in weight class and stay around the mid-sized fighters he would still be undefeated.

Jones is finished. He needs to get out now before he gets totally destroyed morally.

The strategy that Tarver and Johnson had were similiar yes but Tarver is a much better boxer than Johnson but with alot less power. Jones got hit by just plain old fasion bombs! His reflex's were alot less slower plus with all the recient weight activity playing factor come on, I mean this guy was the best in the division for many years the only people who would challenge him were the low class fighters who wanted to show what they had, they knew they werent going to win but noone in the division at the time big really would fight him. I see Jones as a great fighter who always fought, was known as the greatest p4p fighter of our era and he got old. He deserves a come back he took time off if he stayed in shape take a fight back then go to Tarver and redeem yourself against Johnson and retire. He has to fight a rubber match against Tarver if atleast to get back his true fans who left him after another loss.

No that would pretty much make him a fraud. Why would a fraud get props?


Fraud? kind of like the 2 losers you have in your avatar buddy?