If valdes could hurt and drop monzon could the g man keep monzon down? monzon was past his best

He loses. .

He loses. .

For me gerald is a bigger puncher and over all better fighter than valdes look how close valdes came to beating monnzon, couldnt gearld beat that monzon?

For me gerald is a bigger puncher and over all better fighter than valdes look how close valdes came to beating monnzon, couldnt gearld beat that monzon?

Valdez had a granite chin and great stamina. McClellan has one (the chin) but not the other (the stamina). He never even went 12 rounds.

Anyone who believes McClellan blows out Monzon in the early rounds at any point in Monzon's career would be fooling themselves. Monzon took Valdez's best right hand flush, the same right hand that knocked the granite-jawed Bennie Briscoe out, and he recovered instantly.

I see McClellan having success early with Monzon coming back strong in the late rounds, stopping McClellan in a 15 round bout.

Valdez had a granite chin and great stamina. McClellan has one (the chin) but not the other (the stamina). He never even went 12 rounds.

Anyone who believes McClellan blows out Monzon in the early rounds at any point in Monzon's career would be fooling themselves. Monzon took Valdez's best right hand flush, the same right hand that knocked the granite-jawed Bennie Briscoe out, and he recovered instantly.

I see McClellan having success early with Monzon coming back strong in the late rounds, stopping McClellan in a 15 round bout.

Still talking nonsense eh mate? You should really listen to me and finally buy that red nose.

1-McClellan wouldn't need 12 rounds of stamina since he will end the fight in 1 round.
2-Whatever Monzon took, he would eat punches from somebody who hit harder than Julian Jackson, the hardest p4p puncher ever. And this is the washed up Monzon, moron.
3-Nobody in hell stops McClellan unless he has a bloodclot in his brain developing. He walked through punches from Jackson, Benn and Mugabi, some of the hardest punchers ever.

I said this before but I know you like to be punished, but you are an old timer's biased clown, ok bad boy?

It's difficult to have a reasonable deate with theGreatA,If a fighter fought after 1987 then all credentials and reseme's simply don't matter,Each one is discredited and unfairly picked apart,Like I said before,The guy definately knows boxing but the history he knows he twists to fit his own argument and that is the very worst type of boxing fan

Valdez had a granite chin and great stamina. McClellan has one (the chin) but not the other (the stamina). He never even went 12 rounds.

Anyone who believes McClellan blows out Monzon in the early rounds at any point in Monzon's career would be fooling themselves. Monzon took Valdez's best right hand flush, the same right hand that knocked the granite-jawed Bennie Briscoe out, and he recovered instantly.
.But don't you think Comparing Valdez 57.53% ko against McClellan's 85.29 KO% is just foolish?
Mclellan had the power to stop Monzon early ...or anybody for that matter:boxing:

But don't you think Comparing Valdez 57.53% ko against McClellan's 85.29 KO% is just foolish?
Mclellan had the power to stop Monzon early ...or anybody for that matter:boxing:


Who of top caliber did McClellan knock out?

Julian Jackson had a shaky chin anyway, he was took out by Mike McCallum whom whilst being a stiff puncher he was not a devastating puncher.

Mugabi is overrated all he ever did was give a past prime Hagler a hard fight and get smashed by Norris and McClellan.

Im a Norris fan and ive never considered Norris a huge puncher but he still took Mugabi out in 1.

Still talking nonsense eh mate? You should really listen to me and finally buy that red nose.

1-McClellan wouldn't need 12 rounds of stamina since he will end the fight in 1 round.
2-Whatever Monzon took, he would eat punches from somebody who hit harder than Julian Jackson, the hardest p4p puncher ever. And this is the washed up Monzon, moron.
3-Nobody in hell stops McClellan unless he has a bloodclot in his brain developing. He walked through punches from Jackson, Benn and Mugabi, some of the hardest punchers ever.

I said this before but I know you like to be punished, but you are an old timer's biased clown, ok bad boy?

It's difficult to have a reasonable deate with theGreatA,If a fighter fought after 1987 then all credentials and reseme's simply don't matter,Each one is discredited and unfairly picked apart,Like I said before,The guy definately knows boxing but the history he knows he twists to fit his own argument and that is the very worst type of boxing fan

But don't you think Comparing Valdez 57.53% ko against McClellan's 85.29 KO% is just foolish?
Mclellan had the power to stop Monzon early ...or anybody for that matter:boxing:

Who of top caliber did McClellan knock out?

Julian Jackson had a shaky chin anyway, he was took out by Mike McCallum whom whilst being a stiff puncher he was not a devastating puncher.

Mugabi is overrated all he ever did was give a past prime Hagler a hard fight and get smashed by Norris and McClellan.

Im a Norris fan and ive never considered Norris a huge puncher but he still took Mugabi out in 1.

Exactly. I've been a huge fan of McClellan but his short-comings are very obvious.

I've seen him out of stamina against Benn (although he was injured), after 6 rounds against Dennis Milton (a decision he lost), 8 rounds against Ralph Ward (a decision he lost), three round sparring sessions, even some of his first round knockouts. It figures that dropping 30-40 pounds to make the 160 pound limit is not very good for your conditioning. He walked around as a heavyweight/cruiserweight.

Knockouts over Julian Jackson, John Mugabi, Jay Bell and Gilbert Baptist do little to convince me of his ability to destroy one of the greatest middleweights of all time Carlos Monzon in round 1.

Here's a much more impressive achievement than anything McClellan ever managed against an opponent who was never knocked out:

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I don't base anything on knockout percentages, it's who you beat and who you knocked out that matters to me. Now I wouldn't say that Valdez necessarily hit harder than McClellan but he hit pretty hard and on top of that he would keep hitting for 15 rounds.

Who of top caliber did McClellan knock out?

Julian Jackson had a shaky chin anyway


See this ladies and gentleman? This is how you discredit a fighter.

Apparently while McClellan did knock Jackson out it simply doesn't matter because Jackson had a shaky chin.

Yes but while we are at it,Let's take away Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler's victories over Thomas Hearns away from them because after all Hearns did have a "shaky chin"

And the fact that theGreatA agree's with him pretty much confirms what I already said about him

Unfortunately the dynamite kid can't respond to me because he put me on ignore.Which is a shame because he has actually contradicted himself here,Or perhaps Julian Jackson never was top caliber


And may I ask why you qouted me GreatA? you didn't actually respond to me

See this ladies and gentleman? This is how you discredit a fighter.Apparently while McClellan did knock Jackson out it simply doesn't matter because Jackson had a shaky chin.Yes but while we are at it,Let's take away Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler's victories over Thomas Hearns away from them because after all Hearns did have a "shaky chin"

And the fact that theGreatA agree's with him pretty much confirms what I already said about him

Unfortunately the dynamite kid can't respond to me because he put me on ignore like a coward

Usually when talking about one's punching power you're supposed to bring up examples of durable fighters that he knocked out.

McClellan's big knockout wins come over Julian Jackson and John Mugabi who were hardly the sturdiest fighters out there.

I'm bringing up McClellan's victory over Julian Jackson when talking about how good his chin was but not when we're supposed to discuss whether McClellan could knock out Carlos Monzon in the early rounds or not. Lets face it, that's his only chance in this match-up.

It's difficult to have a reasonable deate with theGreatA,If a fighter fought after 1987 then all credentials and reseme's simply don't matter,Each one is discredited and unfairly picked apart,Like I said before,The guy definately knows boxing but the history he knows he twists to fit his own argument and that is the very worst type of boxing fan


And may I ask why you qouted me GreatA? you didn't actually respond to me

You're completely wrong in everything you said and it's quite hypocritical of you to accuse me of picking apart a fighter's resume (when I haven't) because you do it all the time. I attempt to discuss boxing with respect to other posters and the fighters themselves, and back up my arguments with facts, not unfounded opinion.

You are the worst kind of boxing fan. At the very least I know enough never to repeatedly insult a fighter who courageously fought in the boxing ring and whom I never met unlike you (and Slimey Limey) do on a regular basis.

Usually when talking about one's punching power you're supposed to bring up examples of durable fighters that he knocked out.

McClellan's big knockout wins come over Julian Jackson and John Mugabi who were hardly the sturdiest fighters out there.

I'm bringing up McClellan's victory over Julian Jackson when talking about how good his chin was but not when we're supposed to discuss whether McClellan could knock out Carlos Monzon in the early rounds or not. Lets face it, that's his only chance in this match-up.

Yep.

Its just commonsense.

Monzon was past his best but was still durable and had never been stopped.
McClellan could hit but there has to be question marks over his stamina.
So if it goes past 5 you have to fancy Monzon and good a puncher as McClellan was, I would fancy Monzon to be there at the end, he always was.

Usually when talking about one's punching power you're supposed to bring up examples of durable fighters that he knocked out.

McClellan's big knockout wins come over Julian Jackson and John Mugabi who were hardly the sturdiest fighters out there.

I'm bringing up McClellan's victory over Julian Jackson when talking about how good his chin was but not when we're supposed to discuss whether McClellan could knock out Carlos Monzon in the early rounds or not. Lets face it, that's his only chance in this match-up.


My response was to the dynamite kid who asked "what top caliber opposition had McClellan knocked out?" He then preceeded to answer his own question when he brought up Julian Jackson in the very next sentence but immediately discredited this win by criticising Jackson's chin as if the win was somehow less significent.

My argument has nothing to do with Monzon here.I'm calling a joker out on a contradiction he made

If I was to discredit Haglers knockout win over Hearns claiming that Hearns has a glass jaw then I would get rightly criticised yet when this joker does it apparently it's ok

As for defining knockout power there is no simple definition,There are mediocre fighters with great chins and there are great fighters wiith mediocre chins

You should know this.And do not pretend as if you don't discredit fighters because you have done as have many of you have done,You don't realise you are doing so but you are

For me gerald is a bigger puncher and over all better fighter than valdes look how close valdes came to beating monnzon, couldnt gearld beat that monzon?

How close did Valdez really come to beating Monzon? For me, not very. Okay he got the knockdown and had him momentarily hurt, but Monzon was up at 3 and barely troubled by Valdez after that. I thought he won both fairly handily.

As to the question, could McClellan KO an aged Monzon? Yes. Would he, never say never, but I would favour Monzon, who has the chin, the smarts, the skills and experience to survive the early onslaught and win a decision. McClellan had a chin like a brick and lesser fighters than him went the distance with Monzon, so I don't think he'd get KO'd. Monzon UD.

Jackson was past prime & Mugabe was shot to pieces by the time they faced McClellan.. Monzon had an exceptional chin backed up by a sound defense, with 15 round stamina to.. If McClellan couldn't KO him in the first 6, which is what I'd suspect, then no way is he going to win the fight..
I've also read on this forum that McClellan was carrying a blood clot on the brain sustained fighting Jackson, going into the Benn fight.. If there is evidence to substanciate that, then the pre fight medicals leave an awful lot to be desired..