http://www.fiveknuckles.com/mma-news/Report-Carwin-Velasquez-scrapped,-Brock-Lesnar-vs-Shane-Carwin-at-UFC-106.html

Minnesota Martial Arts Academy released a series of shocking tweets Wednesday night revealing that UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar will face Shane Carwin at UFC 106 in Las Vegas, NV on Nov. 21. Messages were left with Velasquez's representatives, but there is no word out of his camp at this time.
Below are the tweets in question:

* Just got word. UFC 105 on November 21 will feature Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin.

from Seesmic

* Don't know about Cain. Just heard they offered Lesnar a fight with Carwin.

from Seesmic in reply to dmiller21

* I clicked a wrong key. It is actually UFC 106. It will be at Mandalay Bay in Vegas. UFC 105 is in England.

from Seesmic
Word of the potential matchup spread around the MMA blogoshere like wildfire, eventually reaching the ears of Carwin himself.
"Lots of talk going around right now," Carwin blogged on his personal website. "It seems to stem from a twitter post out of MN. I can't confirm or deny anything I can just tell you guys that I am training harder then ever and your support and loyalty will carry me through any fight they send my way. With you guys on my side I am ready for whatever happens. Stay tuned to the site or UFC.com for any official news about me.
Although confirmation from official sources has yet to be directly established, Lesnar's representatives appear to have confirmed the news via twitter and Carwin wouldn't deny the news, making it likely.
They question at this point becomes: Why was Velasquez passed over and, if healthy, who will he face at UFC 104?
We'll have more on this breaking story as soon as news becomes available

some sites are saying cain has an undisclosed injury and this fight will happen at 106

I read about this last night right before I went to bed. VERY excited for this fight. This is a great fight.

Carwin by KO

i got lesnar by tko in 3rd

I got Lesnar by TKO in 1.


Can we give Lesnar a real challange damnit? Someone he wont dwarf? ****. Kongo is probably the only dude in the UFC he wont completely dwarf. Carwin will get dwarfed and raped like fresh meat in prison.

Kongo-Lesnar is hell of a lot better match up than Carwin-Lesnar. Carwin will fold up after the first punch just like Herring, Couture, and Mir did. Way too small. Kongo on the other hand is going to have to be taken down properly, not just a ****ing right hand and he flips over three times and gets TKO'd on the matt.

I got Lesnar by TKO in 1.


Can we give Lesnar a real challange damnit? Someone he wont dwarf? ****. Kongo is probably the only dude in the UFC he wont completely dwarf. Carwin will get dwarfed and raped like fresh meat in prison.

Kongo-Lesnar is hell of a lot better match up than Carwin-Lesnar. Carwin will fold up after the first punch just like Herring, Couture, and Mir did. Way too small. Kongo on the other hand is going to have to be taken down properly, not just a ****ing right hand and he flips over three times and gets TKO'd on the matt.

Every time you post I'm confused whether you are trolling, or whether you are a complete moron. I seem to favor the second one. Carwin is the biggest and strongest heavyweight in the UFC after Brock Lesnar. Kongo is about 20 lbs lighter than him. Add to the fact that Carwin has good wrestling credentials and will most likely be able to stuff Brocks takedowns. He also has good stand up and allot of power. I think he is going to beat Brock in second round by a TKO. Kongo stands no chance versus Brock. His wrestling is atrocious. Brock would take Kongo down easy and ride a decision.

Carwin just has power, he was nearly out vs Gonzaga, I'm not as impressed with him as you guys, I wouldn;t be surprised if Lesnar finishes him off early...

Every time you post I'm confused whether you are trolling, or whether you are a complete moron. I seem to favor the second one. Carwin is the biggest and strongest heavyweight in the UFC after Brock Lesnar. Kongo is about 20 lbs lighter than him. Add to the fact that Carwin has good wrestling credentials and will most likely be able to stuff Brocks takedowns. He also has good stand up and allot of power. I think he is going to beat Brock in second round by a TKO. Kongo stands no chance versus Brock. His wrestling is atrocious. Brock would take Kongo down easy and ride a decision.

I am talking about size not strength. Lesnar beats people first by out sizing them. Kongo dwarfed Cro-Cop. Kongo looks small in his recent fights because he is taken down to the ground.

Carwin may be strong. I never said he wasn't. I dont think he will be a challange to Lesnar unless Dana tells Lesnar to give him a chance or some ****. Carwin is good but face it. Herring, Couture, and Mir have way better credentials than Carwin. Just because he is undefeated doesn't mean ****. Herring had the experience, faught real tough competition, is a prized Sambo guy... got raped. Couture was possibly the best wrestler in the HW division and got owned with one punch. Mir a submission specialist, who lost his title to a motorcycle and KO'd Big Nog... got obliterated in the rematch. What makes you think Carwin will be any different? His record? gtfo.

I never said Kongo would win. He wont be out-sized standing up. He wont be folded by the first ****ing punch Lesnar throws. Lesnar is going to have to take him down properly and not just bum rush like he did with Herring, Couture, and Mir. Carwin will get treated just like the other three.

I am talking about size not strength. Lesnar beats people first by out sizing them. Kongo dwarfed Cro-Cop. Kongo looks small in his recent fights because he is taken down to the ground.

Carwin may be strong. I never said he wasn't. I dont think he will be a challange to Lesnar unless Dana tells Lesnar to give him a chance or some ****. Carwin is good but face it. Herring, Couture, and Mir have way better credentials than Carwin. Just because he is undefeated doesn't mean ****. Herring had the experience, faught real tough competition, is a prized Sambo guy... got raped. Couture was possibly the best wrestler in the HW division and got owned with one punch. Mir a submission specialist, who lost his title to a motorcycle and KO'd Big Nog... got obliterated in the rematch. What makes you think Carwin will be any different? His record? gtfo.

I never said Kongo would win. He wont be out-sized standing up. He wont be folded by the first ****ing punch Lesnar throws. Lesnar is going to have to take him down properly and not just bum rush like he did with Herring, Couture, and Mir. Carwin will get treated just like the other three.

Wtf is this ****. You have a mental capacity of a fish. Carwin isn't just stronger than Kongo you moron, he has more muscle as in 20 to 25 lbs more of muscle, so even size wise he is bigger. Not to mention strength. When I mentioned credentials I didn't mean MMA, I was talking about wrestling credentials. Carwin is a D2 wrestling champ. Him and Cain are the only guys who have the horse power to go against Lesnar. They are good match ups and can beat him. Kongo stands no chance, because of his horrible wrestling. Brock would take Kongo before he gets to land anything and will either win a decision or decimate Kongo via GNP. If Heath Herring could take Kongo down easily, what makes you think Lesnar is going to do to him. Herring btw doesn't even practice SAMBO :crackhead. Haven't you owned yourself enough for today?

Lesnar would be the favorite to win, but Shane only needs one clean shot and he has more than a solid chance of landing it. Brock has no head movement and no footwork.

And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Carwin is stronger than Brock.

Lesnar aint gonn be able to throw carwin around hes just as big as brock. i see carwin dominating the standup and knowing his ass out

I never said Kongo would win. He wont be out-sized standing up. He wont be folded by the first ****ing punch Lesnar throws. Lesnar is going to have to take him down properly and not just bum rush like he did with Herring, Couture, and Mir. Carwin will get treated just like the other three.

take him down properly?

kongo might be the worst wrestler in the UFC, espcially in the HW division

If Cain is unable to fight Carwin, I have no problems with the UFC switching to a Carwin-Lesnar main event, it's logical and at 11-0 he makes for a more credible opponent .. record wise at least then Velzazquez

Carwin will destroy Lesnar. Lesnar is hype, and Carwin has the style to give him hell. I Shane KOs Lesnar in the 1st round just like everyone else.

Lesnar fans are in for a shock, mark my words.

take him down properly?

kongo might be the worst wrestler in the UFC, espcially in the HW division

You know, like actually shoot for a takedown. Everyone else he has faught, he just bum rushes them, folds them with the first punch, and gets to a dominate position from there.

Lesnar fans are in for a shock, mark my words.

lol, you know I dont care for Lesnar. I just dont see Carwin winning bro. Lesnar is in position for a long reign, until he doesn't have a distinct size advantage over an opponent. :dunno:

lol, you know I dont care for Lesnar. I just dont see Carwin winning bro. Lesnar is in position for a long reign, until he doesn't have a distinct size advantage over an opponent. :dunno:

The major difference in this fight is that Lesnar is a paper champion who was hyped into contention. Carwin earned his shot by stopping 11 of 11 opponents inside half a round.

I would almost go so far as to say Lesnar is taylor made for Carwin. Carwin is just about as big and strong. In fact, Carwin has bigger hands even.

Carwin should be able to nullify Lesnar's wrestling, at least to a large extent (Carwin is a 2x NCAA D2 champ, as well as an All American in football). Standing, Lesnar has nothing on Carwin.

Randy Couture caught Brock and cut his face. Carwin will catch Brock and turn his lights out.

What a freak show match up......


I LOVE IT!

I doubt Dana White will be happy if Carwin wins. He has highlight reel ko's, but he'll never be able to sell a PPV like Lesnar.

What a freak show match up......


I LOVE IT!

I doubt Dana White will be happy if Carwin wins. He has highlight reel ko's, but he'll never be able to sell a PPV like Lesnar.
Carwin reminds me of a 265 pound Chuck Liddell in a way. They're styles are very different, but from a tactical standpoint (sprawl and brawl), Carwin makes me think of Chuck.

Carwin is a stylistic nightmare for Brock imo.

Yea Carwin has a helluva a punch. But it wont help him on his back.
Brock took some good shots from Randy, and ate a knee or 2 against Mir.
He has some good whiskers.

Brock wins in dramatic style in 2.

The major difference in this fight is that Lesnar is a paper champion who was hyped into contention. Carwin earned his shot by stopping 11 of 11 opponents inside half a round.

I would almost go so far as to say Lesnar is taylor made for Carwin. Carwin is just about as big and strong. In fact, Carwin has bigger hands even.

Carwin should be able to nullify Lesnar's wrestling, at least to a large extent (Carwin is a 2x NCAA D2 champ, as well as an All American in football). Standing, Lesnar has nothing on Carwin.

Randy Couture caught Brock and cut his face. Carwin will catch Brock and turn his lights out.

carwin earned his shot beating cans. the only name on his resume worth anything is Gonzaga. if lesnar is a paper champ, then carwin is a paper contender

carwins stand up isn't that good, its just powerful as hell. i can see either fighter knocking the other out standing. its not like Carwin is Anderson Silva with the head movement. he throws basic combos and leaves his chin to be touched (remember gonzaga put him down, carwin showed great recovery in winning, but he can be touched)

i think Lesnar will put Carwin on his back and get a TKO victory from ground n pound late in the 2nd round

take him down properly?

kongo might be the worst wrestler in the UFC, espcially in the HW division

What a freak show match up......


I LOVE IT!

I doubt Dana White will be happy if Carwin wins. He has highlight reel ko's, but he'll never be able to sell a PPV like Lesnar.

Carwin reminds me of a 265 pound Chuck Liddell in a way. They're styles are very different, but from a tactical standpoint (sprawl and brawl), Carwin makes me think of Chuck.

Carwin is a stylistic nightmare for Brock imo.

i hope kongo gets a real ground game before they throw him in with lesnar. i think carwin has the tools - strength, massive size, 1 punch power to beat lesnar, but brock will be a huge step up for shane like gonzaga was. i think when we see this fight shane will be losing on the cards and land a desperation hook or uppercut that puts lesnar to sleep, or he loses

Brocks going to fcuk him up :boxing:

i hope kongo gets a real ground game before they throw him in with lesnar. i think carwin has the tools - strength, massive size, 1 punch power to beat lesnar, but brock will be a huge step up for shane like gonzaga was. i think when we see this fight shane will be losing on the cards and land a desperation hook or uppercut that puts lesnar to sleep, or he loses

People keep saying Brock is a step up for Carwin, but is Carwin not a step up for Brock as well? I say he is.

People keep saying Brock is a step up for Carwin, but is Carwin not a step up for Brock as well? I say he is.

No kidding, it's like the fat kid on the playground running into a fatter kid. What is he gonna do?

People keep saying Brock is a step up for Carwin, but is Carwin not a step up for Brock as well? I say he is.

well, that's the real question... is gonzaga a better fighter than herring or mir?
i know herring can take a beating like no one i've ever seen

well, that's the real question... is gonzaga a better fighter than herring or mir?
i know herring can take a beating like no one i've ever seen
Actually the question is whether Carwin is a better fighter than Herring and Mir. In my opinion he presently is.

Actually the question is whether Carwin is a better fighter than Herring and Mir. In my opinion he presently is.

he'd beat the **** out of herring. i'd like to see him against mir. carwin will make it more of a fight than randy did, shane is a real live dog

going to be a short night i think brock wins by tko round 1 by ground and pound.
the better wrestler will always win and thats lesnar.

going to be a short night i think brock wins by tko round 1 by ground and pound.
the better wrestler will always win and thats lesnar.

in rampage - hendo's fight the better wrestler was supposed to be hendo, but rampage controlled the action on the ground

rampage was bigger,stronger and younger then hendo in that fight, brock and carwin are around the same size and the strength is about even but theres a big gap between division 1 and division 2 wreslters.

rampage was bigger,stronger and younger then hendo in that fight, brock and carwin are around the same size and the strength is about even but theres a big gap between division 1 and division 2 wreslters.

brock is the better amatuer wrestler, but maybe carwin's better at MMA. brock would beat carwin in a wrestling match, but this isn't wrestling

going to be a short night i think brock wins by tko round 1 by ground and pound.
the better wrestler will always win and thats lesnar.
In a wrestling match this would be true, but this is MMA. Often times two good wrestlers end up nullifying one another's grappling and the fight turns into a stand-up affair.

The point is that there are many more factors to consider than just wrestling. I personally think Carwin's superior striking will be the difference maker.

wrestling will play a big part in this fight though, and brock fought through division 1 against guys just as big as he is so i doubt he'll have much trouble taking carwin down an pounding him out.

In a wrestling match this would be true, but this is MMA. Often times two good wrestlers end up nullifying one another's grappling and the fight turns into a stand-up affair.

The point is that there are many more factors to consider than just wrestling. I personally think Carwin's superior striking will be the difference maker.

carwin has the quicker hands and better technique, he doesn't look like a gorilla pounding on someone's head when he throws punches. if it becomes a striking war, i give the edge to carwin

wrestling will play a big part in this fight though, and brock fought through division 1 against guys just as big as he is so i doubt he'll have much trouble taking carwin down an pounding him out.
It's an interesting fight, I'm looking forward to it. Two behemoths with athleticism going at it.

I'm interested to see if Carwin can take a good shot from a guy as big and strong as Brock. He was wobbled by Gonzaga pretty good, and you have to think that Brock's strikes have more velocity on them.


Interesting matchup nonetheless.


I agree with Organik, and think this fight turns into a boxing match.

I'm interested to see if Carwin can take a good shot from a guy as big and strong as Brock. He was wobbled by Gonzaga pretty good, and you have to think that Brock's strikes have more velocity on them.


Interesting matchup nonetheless.


I agree with Organik, and think this fight turns into a boxing match.

This may be true, however I think Gonzoga is a much better striker all around than Brock. He was outstriking Carwin as well until Carwin landed his 'big eraser' (to take one from Teddy Atlas).

This may be true, however I think Gonzoga is a much better striker all around than Brock. He was outstriking Carwin as well until Carwin landed his 'big eraser' (to take one from Teddy Atlas).

No doubt, Gonzaga's striking skills are pretty solid.


I was just stating that Brock's lunch box sized fists coupled with his suprisingly quick hands for a guy his size makes the force from his punches pretty brutal.

wrestling will play a big part in this fight though, and brock fought through division 1 against guys just as big as he is so i doubt he'll have much trouble taking carwin down an pounding him out.

not to mention that Brock trains with Cole Konrad, who is bigger than Carwin with a much better wrestling pedigree

brock could lose to Carwin, but i would be shocked if he were outwrestled in the match.

carwin will get ktfo 1st round imho. he is no where as big as brock...yeah he weighs 260 at weigh ins but is back up around 300 fight time. brock will smother him on the ground just like mir. but we will see

carwin will get ktfo 1st round imho. he is no where as big as brock...yeah he weighs 260 at weigh ins but is back up around 300 fight time. brock will smother him on the ground just like mir. but we will see
Actually Carwin is about the only man in the UFC that can match Brock in terms of size. Carwin also has the biggest hands in the UFC, Brock the second biggest.

Actually Carwin is about the only man in the UFC that can match Brock in terms of size. Carwin also has the biggest hands in the UFC, Brock the second biggest.
Btw, Carwin is 6'4 to Lesnar's 6'2.

rampage was bigger,stronger and younger then hendo in that fight, brock and carwin are around the same size and the strength is about even but theres a big gap between division 1 and division 2 wreslters.

Exactly what I am seeing.

Btw, Carwin is 6'4 to Lesnar's 6'2.

no way in hell carwin is 6'4

i know the ufc had him listed as that, but they mess up heights all the time. they had Anderson at 5'11 at one point lol

carwin is the closest to lesnar in size, but he is not 6'4

no way in hell carwin is 6'4

i know the ufc had him listed as that, but they mess up heights all the time. they had Anderson at 5'11 at one point lol

carwin is the closest to lesnar in size, but he is not 6'4
I took it from Sherdog.

I'll believe it before your hollow claims, quite frankly. If you have evidence I'll listen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Carwin

6' 3"

I took it from Sherdog.

I'll believe it before your hollow claims, quite frankly. If you have evidence I'll listen.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2lw3c6v.jpg

christian wellisch's is listed at 6'2 on sherdog and he's leaning down in that pic

http://i36.tinypic.com/2lw3c6v.jpg

christian wellisch's is listed at 6'2 on sherdog and he's leaning down in that pic
Cool man, nice find.

It'll be interesting to see them face off. Carwin's a big mofo, but I guess Lesnar may have some size on him (despite my prior comments).

Cool man, nice find.

It'll be interesting to see them face off. Carwin's a big mofo, but I guess Lesnar may have some size on him (despite my prior comments).

carwin's got the muscle and strength to compete with lesnar, at least better than anyone currently in the UFC.

if Lesnar finishes him quickly, it could be a long reign for Brock

carwin's got the muscle and strength to compete with lesnar, at least better than anyone currently in the UFC.

if Lesnar finishes him quickly, it could be a long reign for Brock
This definitely may be the case.

For what it's worth, I think Carwin is basically a stylistic nightmare for Brock. In spite of his 3-4 years of training, I do not think Brock has developed decent stand-up, and I believe this will be the key factor in the fight.

Brock probably has the better wrestling, however Carwin is no slouch whatsoever when it comes to wrestling. Carwin is not going to be bulldozed, and I expect Carwin's superior striking to be the deal breaker.

I'm looking to Carwin to win by KO in 1 or 2 rounds. If I were a betting man, I like Brock to fall in 1 just like everyone else Carwin's fought.

if Lesnar finishes him quickly, it could be a long reign for Brock

http://images.chron.com/blogs/fighting/BobbyLashley.jpg

This definitely may be the case.

For what it's worth, I think Carwin is basically a stylistic nightmare for Brock. In spite of his 3-4 years of training, I do not think Brock has developed decent stand-up, and I believe this will be the key factor in the fight.

Brock probably has the better wrestling, however Carwin is no slouch whatsoever when it comes to wrestling. Carwin is not going to be bulldozed, and I expect Carwin's superior striking to be the deal breaker.

I'm looking to Carwin to win by KO in 1 or 2 rounds. If I were a betting man, I like Brock to fall in 1 just like everyone else Carwin's fought.

carwin could definitely drop him easy. i'm just not sold on Carwin's technique. his power hides alot of his deficiencies. he has very little head movement, and throws basic combo's.

i think if brock chooses to stand with carwin, he has just a good a shot at putting Carwin down as Carwin does of putting him down.

carwin's standup is better than lesnar's but not by very much

http://images.chron.com/blogs/fighting/BobbyLashley.jpg
Is Lashley even in the UFC? He'll have to earn a shot.

Is Lashley even in the UFC? He'll have to earn a shot.

yeah cos lesnar fought off a tonne of great opposition to earn his ufc shot...

carwin could definitely drop him easy. i'm just not sold on Carwin's technique. his power hides alot of his deficiencies. he has very little head movement, and throws basic combo's.

i think if brock chooses to stand with carwin, he has just a good a shot at putting Carwin down as Carwin does of putting him down.

carwin's standup is better than lesnar's but not by very much
I agree that Carwin has little head movement and simple technique (he basically just throws the 1-2). However, Brock has no head movement either and worse technique, and probably less punching power. I think Carwin's 1-2 may be enough against Brock.

Btw, Carwin is 6'4 to Lesnar's 6'2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Carwin

6' 3"

This definitely may be the case.

For what it's worth, I think Carwin is basically a stylistic nightmare for Brock. In spite of his 3-4 years of training, I do not think Brock has developed decent stand-up, and I believe this will be the key factor in the fight.

Brock probably has the better wrestling, however Carwin is no slouch whatsoever when it comes to wrestling. Carwin is not going to be bulldozed, and I expect Carwin's superior striking to be the deal breaker.

I'm looking to Carwin to win by KO in 1 or 2 rounds. If I were a betting man, I like Brock to fall in 1 just like everyone else Carwin's fought.

carwin could definitely drop him easy. i'm just not sold on Carwin's technique. his power hides alot of his deficiencies. he has very little head movement, and throws basic combo's.

i think if brock chooses to stand with carwin, he has just a good a shot at putting Carwin down as Carwin does of putting him down.

carwin's standup is better than lesnar's but not by very much

I agree that Carwin has little head movement and simple technique (he basically just throws the 1-2). However, Brock has no head movement either and worse technique, and probably less punching power. I think Carwin's 1-2 may be enough against Brock.

brock's striking skills are basic at best and there's a big power difference in their hands. lesnar clubs guys with a lot of punches and doesn't knock them out - the ref stops it, where one punch from carwin knocks guys out cold. it won't matter that lesnar is an inch taller or whatever

When they're standing and they still have some space between them Lesnar has the perfect straight right lead. It closes the distance, knocks people down or at least throws them off enough to take them down.

Shane seems a bit robotic and slow when he is in important situation (Gonzaga) and in the biggest fight of his career (so far) I think he will be a little too tense. I think he will get caught, stunned, taken down and beaten to a pulp.

When they're standing and they still have some space between them Lesnar has the perfect straight right lead. It closes the distance, knocks people down or at least throws them off enough to take them down.

Shane seems a bit robotic and slow when he is in important situation (Gonzaga) and in the biggest fight of his career (so far) I think he will be a little too tense. I think he will get caught, stunned, taken down and beaten to a pulp.

Shane is able to land his punch first on this occasion:
http://i44.tinypic.com/a3h5xz.gif (http://www.mma-core.com/gifs/GifDetails.aspx?gid=10000667&tid=100)

A secondary example, to show it is not a fluke:
http://i25.tinypic.com/2wgda8j.gif (http://www.mma-core.com/gifs/GifDetails.aspx?gid=10000061&tid=100)

Carwin's ground and pound:
http://i44.tinypic.com/vr98bd.gif (http://www.mma-core.com/gifs/GifDetails.aspx?gid=10000468&tid=107)

Shane is able to land his punch first on this occasion:
http://i44.tinypic.com/a3h5xz.gif (http://www.mma-core.com/gifs/GifDetails.aspx?gid=10000667&tid=100)

A secondary example, to show it is not a fluke:
http://i25.tinypic.com/2wgda8j.gif (http://www.mma-core.com/gifs/GifDetails.aspx?gid=10000061&tid=100)

Carwin's ground and pound:
http://i44.tinypic.com/vr98bd.gif (http://www.mma-core.com/gifs/GifDetails.aspx?gid=10000468&tid=107)

I like Carwin, he seems like a nice guy. But I would rather see him get KTFO than Brock. Carwin would just go on to lose his next fight. Brock will keep building on his career. Brock Smash.......Carwin can go to Strikeforce and fight fedor.

I like Carwin, he seems like a nice guy. But I would rather see him get KTFO than Brock. Carwin would just go on to lose his next fight. Brock will keep building on his career. Brock Smash.......Carwin can go to Strikeforce and fight fedor.
We may have a big bet coming up once this is made official ;)

that fedor in your sig? comparing his gnp to carwin's since the gifs are on top of each other its just redicilious how much better fedor is at punching and finding the right time to hit. carwin looks like a robot like he needs perfect rythm. one time it looks like he dosnt have anything to even hit but he still punches so it dosnt mess with his rythm.

id still opt for carwin to beat brock though

that fedor in your sig? comparing his gnp to carwin's since the gifs are on top of each other its just redicilious how much better fedor is at punching and finding the right time to hit. carwin looks like a robot like he needs perfect rythm. one time it looks like he dosnt have anything to even hit but he still punches so it dosnt mess with his rythm.

id still opt for carwin to beat brock though
Comparing Fedor to the UFC talent pool is ridiculous. Fedor would destroy Lesnar or Carwin within one round.

When they're standing and they still have some space between them Lesnar has the perfect straight right lead. It closes the distance, knocks people down or at least throws them off enough to take them down.

Shane seems a bit robotic and slow when he is in important situation (Gonzaga) and in the biggest fight of his career (so far) I think he will be a little too tense. I think he will get caught, stunned, taken down and beaten to a pulp.

Carwin doesn't like Lesnar, he doesn't like his attitude. Carwin understands that Lesnar is the ultimate American hype machine, he is a disrespectful redneck - Carwin wants to knock this dude out. He will be coming with intensity that you haven't seen before, watch.

Carwin KO's Lesnar with a big right.

and as far as Fedor goes, i'd take Brett Rogers to whoop that ass before he ever gets a chance to fight Brock.

We may have a big bet coming up once this is made official ;)
I dont wanna bet on my favorite, dont wanna jinx em. Im like 0-12 here on bets.

Comparing Fedor to the UFC talent pool is ridiculous. Fedor would destroy Lesnar or Carwin within one round.

Yea the talent pool in Strikeforce is much better. :lol1:

I dont wanna bet on my favorite, dont wanna jinx em. Im like 0-12 here on bets.
Fair enough.

Yea the talent pool in Strikeforce is much better. :lol1:

I said Fedor, not Strikeforce. Fedor is head and shoulders above every HW in the UFC.

That said, Overeem may well be as good as, if not better than, any UFC HW.

I think alot of ppl will be very surprised at how much bigger lesnar is than carwin.. Brock's striking is **** but he's got a great reach and his takedowns are damn near impossible to stop.. Carwin has to get a KO (easier said than done)..No way he wins by dec

Carwin doesn't like Lesnar, he doesn't like his attitude. Carwin understands that Lesnar is the ultimate American hype machine, he is a disrespectful redneck - Carwin wants to knock this dude out. He will be coming with intensity that you haven't seen before, watch.

if lesnar is hype then what is Carwin?

lesnar's mma resume right now is more impressive than Carwins

that intensity could backfire on carwin. he needs to be prepared to go rounds just in case he doesn't land that one hitter quitter

carwin's cardio is a mystery. we know lesnar can go at least 3 rounds, carwin is a mystery

if lesnar is hype then what is Carwin?

lesnar's mma resume right now is more impressive than Carwins

that intensity could backfire on carwin. he needs to be prepared to go rounds just in case he doesn't land that one hitter quitter

carwin's cardio is a mystery. we know lesnar can go at least 3 rounds, carwin is a mystery

Carwin is a hype job? Don't be a tool bro. 11 Victories, all by stoppage compared to a 4-1 fighter in Lesnar who's most notable victory is over a 46 year old man?

Carwin is going to literally rock the delusions you have in your head. Lesnar has no head movement and his "hands up I'm a wrestler trying to strike/straight right hand" is going to be irrelevant when a haymaker armed with more lethal force than the bomb that hit Hiroshima comes flying towards his roided up forehead. Lesnar is really going to die here. He does not have the tools to beat Carwin.

Carwin is a hype job? Don't be a tool bro. 11 Victories, all by stoppage compared to a 4-1 fighter in Lesnar who's most notable victory is over a 46 year old man?

Carwin is going to literally rock the delusions you have in your head. Lesnar has no head movement and his "hands up I'm a wrestler trying to strike/straight right hand" is going to be irrelevant when a haymaker armed with more lethal force than the bomb that hit Hiroshima comes flying towards his roided up forehead. Lesnar is really going to die here. He does not have the tools to beat Carwin.

you got me wrong

i dont think Carwin is a hypejob, i just dont see how people can continue to call Brock a hype job. he's proven himself in his last 3 fights against good competition. not saying he's the best at all, just saying he's more than hype at this point

second point, i have no delusions about brock lesnar or this fight. i've stated in this thread that carwin could easily win this fight by knockout, i just dont believe it will happen.

Shane is able to land his punch first on this occasion:
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A secondary example, to show it is not a fluke:
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See the thing with both of those shots is they were both from close range. I'm talking about from a bit further away. Something like this:

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Also showed it in the Couture fight. Well I haven't seen to much of them but I just see that little move being the determining factor in the fight.

Carwin is a hype job? Don't be a tool bro. 11 Victories, all by stoppage compared to a 4-1 fighter in Lesnar who's most notable victory is over a 46 year old man?

Carwin is going to literally rock the delusions you have in your head. Lesnar has no head movement and his "hands up I'm a wrestler trying to strike/straight right hand" is going to be irrelevant when a haymaker armed with more lethal force than the bomb that hit Hiroshima comes flying towards his roided up forehead. Lesnar is really going to die here. He does not have the tools to beat Carwin.

I will put real money, not internet points on this fight with you if you're so confident.

Carwin's best win to date is over Gonzaga. He's hardly even had to use his wrestling yet in his career, so we don't even truly know if his wrestling is effective in MMA.

The rest of his wins have been over cans.

Carwin was wobbled by Wellish, as well as Gonzaga, who neither I would argue hit with the force of Brock Lesnar.

Sure, Brock has only had a handful of fights, but the level of competition he's faced, besides his first fight have been quality opponents. Mir was ranked as high as the #2 heavyweight in the world when Brock destroyed him.


Carwin is going to get ground and pounded the **** out, and I'll put my money where my mouth is if you're feeling lucky.


Brock - 2nd round TKO.

you got me wrong

i dont think Carwin is a hypejob, i just dont see how people can continue to call Brock a hype job. he's proven himself in his last 3 fights against good competition. not saying he's the best at all, just saying he's more than hype at this point

second point, i have no delusions about brock lesnar or this fight. i've stated in this thread that carwin could easily win this fight by knockout, i just dont believe it will happen.

He is only winning because he so much bigger than his opponents and using his absurd size advantage to smother everyone. Its really to a point where it is not legit comp and defeats the point of weight classes altogether. I like many don't think he has great skill and would be beaten by a skilled fighter around his size who can match him physically. Carwin may be a good example because he won't be so easily ragdolled by Brock and Carwin has the power to ko anyone, but still he will be outweighed by at least 15lbs in the actual fight should it happen.

He is only winning because he so much bigger than his opponents and using his absurd size advantage to smother everyone. Its really to a point where it is not legit comp and defeats the point of weight classes altogether. I like many don't think he has great skill and would be beaten by a skilled fighter around his size who can match him physically. Carwin may be a good example because he won't be so easily ragdolled by Brock and Carwin has the power to ko anyone, but still he will be outweighed by at least 15lbs in the actual fight should it happen.

there are plenty of vids on youtube where you can see that brock used his size, and SKILL to beat Mir

before the fight, greg nelson his trainer, said in an interview exactly what they would do and brock followed the gameplan to perfection.

stephan kesting (a great bjj instructor) specifically has vid on youtube showing in detail the techniques that brock used to defeat Mir. it involved alot more than just laying on Mir and throwing punches

if it were merely about size, then Mir wouldn't have beaten him in the first matchup

brock is more than size, i would think people would realize that by now

He is only winning because he so much bigger than his opponents and using his absurd size advantage to smother everyone. Its really to a point where it is not legit comp and defeats the point of weight classes altogether. I like many don't think he has great skill and would be beaten by a skilled fighter around his size who can match him physically. Carwin may be a good example because he won't be so easily ragdolled by Brock and Carwin has the power to ko anyone, but still he will be outweighed by at least 15lbs in the actual fight should it happen.

Then with your logic why isn't Hong Man Choi the greatest MMA fighter on the planet ?

He is definitely the biggest fighter in the sport, and has much more of an 'absurd size advantage', as you put it.

Most people fail to realize that even at his size, Brock Lesnar is still one of the most agile and suprisingly quick fighters in the heavyweight division. He uses the combination of his size, strength, but most of all his wrestling ability to keep dominant positions, and the fight exactly where he wants it.

Also, as far as Carwin being outweighed by Brock, that is just not true, Carwin is walking around at 290 right now, and they will likely be very close in weight on fight night.

Carwin is a hype job? Don't be a tool bro. 11 Victories, all by stoppage compared to a 4-1 fighter in Lesnar who's most notable victory is over a 46 year old man?

Carwin is going to literally rock the delusions you have in your head. Lesnar has no head movement and his "hands up I'm a wrestler trying to strike/straight right hand" is going to be irrelevant when a haymaker armed with more lethal force than the bomb that hit Hiroshima comes flying towards his roided up forehead. Lesnar is really going to die here. He does not have the tools to beat Carwin.

Cosigned.

I can't ****ing wait for this.

Cosigned.

I can't ****ing wait for this.

900k on brock over carwin, lets do it :boxing:

900k on brock over carwin, lets do it :boxing:
I would, but it seems like you're well beyond maxed out at the moment.

Then with your logic why isn't Hong Man Choi the greatest MMA fighter on the planet ?

He is definitely the biggest fighter in the sport, and has much more of an 'absurd size advantage', as you put it.

Most people fail to realize that even at his size, Brock Lesnar is still one of the most agile and suprisingly quick fighters in the heavyweight division. He uses the combination of his size, strength, but most of all his wrestling ability to keep dominant positions, and the fight exactly where he wants it.

Also, as far as Carwin being outweighed by Brock, that is just not true, Carwin is walking around at 290 right now, and they will likely be very close in weight on fight night.

Well sure he is fast and has wrestling ability, no doubt but without the size advantage which to that degree shouldn't exist in the first place in combative sports, he doesn't beat Mir or Couture.
I hope your right about Carwin's weight and he and Brock are the same size during the actual fight so we finally have a legit HW fight.

I would, but it seems like you're well beyond maxed out at the moment.

No No, ive got over 4 million points, u want to do this bet ???:D

No No, ive got over 4 million points, u want to do this bet ???:D
So then you have them spread out across alt accounts or something?

So then you have them spread out across alt accounts or something?

Nope 4million points are in my Rocky account, its my new account somebody made it for me without the 3 dots at the end.

Are we on :D

Nope 4million points are in my Rocky account, its my new account somebody made it for me without the 3 dots at the end.

Are we on :D
I did a search for Rocky and came up empty.

Afraid I'll need proof.

I did a search for Rocky and came up empty.

Afraid I'll need proof.

Well as you can see im a multi millionire, so are we on :banana:

Well as you can see im a multi millionire, so are we on :banana:
Alright then, you got it.

Alright then, you got it.

Ok added to my thread, good luck :fing02:

Ok added to my thread, good luck :fing02:
Same to you.

i'd like to see prime dan severn against lesnar, two super strong wrestlers. i think it'd make an interesting fight