Okay guys what are the most prevalent/annoying myths about training and conditioning you've heard.

The one that bugs me the most is that weight lifting will make you (instantly) muscle bound and slow, but if you use body weight this won't be a problem because body weight exercises are inherently better due to being old school.

Okay guys what are the most prevalent/annoying myths about training and conditioning you've heard.

The one that bugs me the most is that weight lifting will make you (instantly) muscle bound and slow, but if you use body weight this won't be a problem because body weight exercises are inherently better due to being old school.

actually weightlifting is bad, but i have to add "typical" weightlifting is bad. go into a gym and you will find 90 percent of the people doing bodybuilder type weightlifting. max weight, slow extensions. and that's horrible for a boxer if that's the main type of weightlifting they are doing.

body-weight exercises are way better, fluid movements/motions, and is a great muscle conditioner. but is how you do them. its really core strength and conditioning workouts. min weight but for minutes on end not 10 slow reps. add some weightlifting in that kind of theme and your golden.

so anyways, your myth is not a really myth

Okay guys what are the most prevalent/annoying myths about training and conditioning you've heard.

The one that bugs me the most is that weight lifting will make you (instantly) muscle bound and slow, but if you use body weight this won't be a problem because body weight exercises are inherently better due to being old school.

errrr......actually thats true

does skipping really help with footwork?

does the speedbag really improve your handspeed? i know that it improves muscle endurance, makes you focus and might improve accuracy but i dont think it improves handspeed.

Weights slow speed as well

i just cant stand the myth about punchers being born. it is rediculous.

i think teddy atlas propogates this trash the most. just makes me sick.

even before teddy knew his ABC's(and i wonder if he does even now), we had guys like legendary jack dempsey telling us that this myth was pure BS.

it's not like that has to be enough to convince anybody, but having personally known and met many people who were not natural athletes that trained to be able to hit like a monster, i know what i know. so, honestly, i hardly care what is thought by others.

i only say this so that future prospective boxers do not get discouraged.

errrr......actually thats true

does skipping really help with footwork?

does the speedbag really improve your handspeed? i know that it improves muscle endurance, makes you focus and might improve accuracy but i dont think it improves handspeed.

**** yes.....

actually weightlifting is bad, but i have to add "typical" weightlifting is bad. go into a gym and you will find 90 percent of the people doing bodybuilder type weightlifting. max weight, slow extensions. and that's horrible for a boxer if that's the main type of weightlifting they are doing.

body-weight exercises are way better, fluid movements/motions, and is a great muscle conditioner. but is how you do them. its really core strength and conditioning workouts. min weight but for minutes on end not 10 slow reps. add some weightlifting in that kind of theme and your golden.

so anyways, your myth is not a really myth

You go to a gym and 90% of what people are doing is wasted motion, ****ty form too fast to actually work their muscles, the reason you go slow is so your body does the work not inertia. If you go fast you put a lot into that burst but not into the rest that's why you resist on the way down.
The problem with just body weight exercises is that they're still a form of weight lifting.
And it's not like if you go to the gym today to try to add some strength or endurance you'll walk out in 3 weeks muscle bound and slow. This is a problem you're going to see coming and can adjust your exercise. The only real downside to weight training is it can make you a bit stiff on your straight punches, but a good trainer can work that out of you in one session.

pretty much the weight lifting thing and born puncher thing gets me. If I shot put a 30lb shot put ball, I wont get a faster punch? Is it not the same motion as a punch? Do I not have resistance against and require much more explosive force when I do a shot put? Isn't a shot put basically a weight?

what gets me the most is the supplement thing. "I want to be all natural, no supplements" well what the hell is a supplement then? It's just an isolated vitamin or protein or whatever the hell your eating/taking. So instead of eating some tuna and getting protein, oils, fat, and mercury from it. You can just drink some optimum whey and get 100% protein with no added stuff from whatever the fish was swimming in or eating.

gotta try to always improve. find new ways to do things and what not.

that aint true that weight lifting slows you down.
Thats crap.

Why 100 meter runners lift weight?

TYSON lift weight 24/7 and he was always damn fast.

FLOYD MAYWEATHER,ROY JONES, and other fast guys lift weights.

You need to lift weights if you want to do sports proffesionally.

There is no other way around.

errrr......actually thats true

does skipping really help with footwork?

does the speedbag really improve your handspeed? i know that it improves muscle endurance, makes you focus and might improve accuracy but i dont think it improves handspeed.

Umm not its not. You don't get muscle bound from lifting weights. You wanna lift for boxing, sprinting, etc do powerlifting exercises/routines.

The more time you spend in the weight room, the better the results. Getting Abs requires ridiculous abdominal routines.

that aint true that weight lifting slows you down.
Thats crap.

Why 100 meter runners lift weight?

TYSON lift weight 24/7 and he was always damn fast.

FLOYD MAYWEATHER,ROY JONES, and other fast guys lift weights.

You need to lift weights if you want to do sports proffesionally.

There is no other way around.
You don't NEED to lift weights if you want to do sports professionally, although it can help/hinder your results based on how you lift.

There are few sports where lifting will not help you. Lifting can aid ping pong players, nascar drivers, jump ropers, etc.

You go to a gym and 90% of what people are doing is wasted motion, ****ty form too fast to actually work their muscles, the reason you go slow is so your body does the work not inertia. If you go fast you put a lot into that burst but not into the rest that's why you resist on the way down.
The problem with just body weight exercises is that they're still a form of weight lifting.
And it's not like if you go to the gym today to try to add some strength or endurance you'll walk out in 3 weeks muscle bound and slow. This is a problem you're going to see coming and can adjust your exercise. The only real downside to weight training is it can make you a bit stiff on your straight punches, but a good trainer can work that out of you in one session.

its just about lifting weights the right way. and most people don't. most people weight lift like they are body builders. ever watch Roy Jones documentary with mackie shilstone? the way he prepares Roy to move up in weight for the Ruiz fight. its not a typical weight lifting routine. its a higher pace strength and conditioning program with a lot of core workouts.
weightlifting is bad for boxers who dont know how to properly weight train.

Okay guys what are the most prevalent/annoying myths about training and conditioning you've heard.

The one that bugs me the most is that weight lifting will make you (instantly) muscle bound and slow, but if you use body weight this won't be a problem because body weight exercises are inherently better due to being old school.
bench presses ruin you because it works out only certain muscles therefore you become unbalanced and slow when it comes to punching as you actually need to use all your body pretty much
pushups works just about the whole body so it's pretty good for you all round

it depends on how you use the weights
like using some small weights for shadowboxing never hurt anyone, aslong as you dont over do it and damage your elbow joints

bench presses ruin you because it works out only certain muscles therefore you become unbalanced and slow when it comes to punching as you actually need to use all your body pretty much
pushups works just about the whole body so it's pretty good for you all round

I'm sorry but that is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

The Bench Press is a compound lift.

There is so much ignorance in this section it's mind-blowing. There are very few people here who know what they are talking about.

This is becoming the false information thread. Speed bag works your shoulders not your speed. Weights do not make you slower UNLESS your bodybuilding and gaining tons of mass which requires a specific diet.

The one that bugs me the most is that weight lifting will make you (instantly) muscle bound and slow, but if you use body weight this won't be a problem because body weight exercises are inherently better due to being old school.
This isn't a myth, get hit by somebody who does weight lifting, then get hit by somebody that gained their strenght farming, building etc.

When people do weight lifting at a gym, often you find that muscles that don't help overall power grow in size.

I suppose moderation is key.

This isn't a myth, get hit by somebody who does weight lifting, then get hit by somebody that gained their strenght farming, building etc.

When people do weight lifting at a gym, often you find that muscles that don't help overall power grow in size.

I suppose moderation is key.

Yeah they grow cause you don't know what your doing. You have to target what you want to lift. Its not like if you bench OD your ass will gain 2-3lbs of muscle.

bench presses ruin you because it works out only certain muscles therefore you become unbalanced and slow when it comes to punching as you actually need to use all your body pretty much
pushups works just about the whole body so it's pretty good for you all round

it depends on how you use the weights
like using some small weights for shadowboxing never hurt anyone, aslong as you dont over do it and damage your elbow joints

Do you even know what your talking about? A push up is a not full body exercise, not even close. Also a bench press can be used as somewhat of a full body exercise done a certain way (deemed the right way by some). Pinched shoulder blades in, legs planted in a way so that you push off them constantly, etc.

a push up can be a full body exercise as well.....though both exercises are compleatly worthless compared to other options.....atleast for boxing....i mean when was the last time you had to pronate your sternum while sparing?

so why dont we work on exercising one of the most useless muscles in our body the sternal head of the pectoris major...well not so much useless if your trying to make your chest look big or like to hold people close to you whiel you roll around on the ground, but i dont see how thats involved with punching. maybe if you want to advise people on how to wrestle and fight in mma you can tell them all the wonderfull things that push ups and bench pressing does but really bench pressing shouldnt even have a place in boxing and pushups only purpose would be to occupy a room full of 20 kids with something to do for 3 mins.

you would be alot better off doing pull ups, shrugs, pull overs, and back bends then push ups or bench pressing.

Stop bringing MMA into this. It amazes me how people bring MMA into such matters for no reason. Bench/push also works triceps.

Weightlifting CAN be beneficial. You have to do the right kind of lifting. You don't want to take on a bodybuilder's routine that's going to results in hypertrophy which can slow you down. Including heavy, low rep (say 3-5) lifts that help build pure strength and explosiveness once are twice a week is a great addition to a program. You also want to include high rep exercises that help with muscle endurance. In other words, create a diverse program that focuses on all types of strengths.

I only bring up mma because its a diffrent sport and when doing sport specific training what works in one sport dosent work or work as well in the next and if your training for mma and wrestling people there are alot of diffrent things that can be helpful depending on your style. grappling people uses your chest alot more then in boxing so of course you would want to work your chest.

Boxing is not mma and unless you want to be supper good in the clinches theres no need to have a large chest. there's really not even a need to have a chest at all other then for taking hits, but if you work the intercostals with things like back bends and pull overs you you shouldnt even have a problem with that.

OK but noone was talking about using MMA training or even said MMA, and thats the reason you brought it up, stop lying. I just checked another post you made in a different thread, stop trying to kid people.

so what am i supposed to say?

Biggest training/conditioning myth:

Pull ups and bench pressing should be a staple part of boxing training.

False:

Bench pressing and doing push ups have little value in the sport of boxing. there are much better alternatives that do not put as much emphasis on the chest muscles.

benching and push ups may have advantages in other sports where pushing and pulling is more prevelant. maybe in something like tug o war.

so what am i supposed to say?

Biggest training/conditioning myth:

Pull ups and bench pressing should be a staple part of boxing training.

False:

Bench pressing and doing push ups have little value in the sport of boxing. there are much better alternatives that do not put as much emphasis on the chest muscles.

benching and push ups may have advantages in other sports where pushing and pulling is more prevelant. maybe in something like tug o war.

I couldnt disagree with you more about the push ups. As a matter of fact I believe it to be one of the dumbest things ever said in the Training forum..................Rockin':boxing:

Lol the point is you like to demean MMA when you get the chance.


Biggest training/conditioning myth:

Pull ups and bench pressing should be a staple part of boxing training.

False:

Bench pressing and doing push ups have little value in the sport of boxing. there are much better alternatives that do not put as much emphasis on the chest muscles.

benching and push ups may have advantages in other sports where pushing and pulling is more prevelant.

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Or you could even add MMA, but the reason is not just for comparison which is why it annoys me.

I couldnt disagree with you more about the push ups. As a matter of fact I believe it to be one of the dumbest things ever said in the Training forum..................Rockin':boxing:

Yeah yeah push ups are good but there are better options that dont work your chest as much. on the up side they work your triceps shoulders serratus anterior intercostals pec minor and major and even the back. its hard to find a single exercise that does all that especially one that can be done with loads of variations. though I can think of many diffrent exercies that work the important parts much better and leave out whats not necessiary and i would rather do those exercises then just doing push ups.

as far as demeaning mma:

"There is so much ignorance in this section it's unbelievable."

i was just letting that guy know that the guy who make the stick comment probaly came from a sport where they like their middle weights 25 lbs heavier then boxing middle weights.

yeah, yeah push ups are great for fighters...................Rockin':boxing:

Yeah yeah push ups are good but there are better options that dont work your chest as much. on the up side they work your triceps shoulders serratus anterior intercostals pec minor and major and even the back. its hard to find a single exercise that does all that especially one that can be done with loads of variations. though I can think of many diffrent exercies that work the important parts much better and leave out whats not necessiary and i would rather do those exercises then just doing push ups.

as far as demeaning mma:

"There is so much ignorance in this section it's unbelievable."

i was just letting that guy know that the guy who make the stick comment probaly came from a sport where they like their middle weights 25 lbs heavier then boxing middle weights.

Post your routine and tell us what works for your boxing training. IMHO, pushups are a great exercise, they build your chest and shoulders and they're no impact.

well to replace push ups i do pull ups, shrugs, pull overs, and back bends.

working back, shoulders, intercostals, serratus anterior, lower back, neck, pectoris minor, and triceps. but thats just what i do to replace push ups/bench pressing.

well to replace push ups i do pull ups, shrugs, pull overs, and back bends.

working back, shoulders, intercostals, serratus anterior, lower back, neck, pectoris minor, and triceps. but thats just what i do to replace push ups/bench pressing.

A push up has a similar motion to a jab or straight punch, I would think it works the same muscles. Not sure if I can say the same about pull ups shrugs and the others you mention.

so you keep a square stance?no no no there are diffrent variations and im sure you can say how in some form it would be similar to a boxing stance but really i think i par take in the actual act of punching more then enough to make up for my lack of doing it 50 times into the ground 5 times a week

whats with everyone complaining about pushups? honestly a staple training program should include as much variety as possible. Pushups, pullups, crunches, sit-ups, weights, bodyweight, punching, pressing and everything inbetween.

There is no point in desregarding one type of exercise, sure you can get great results with pull ups but you could get even greater results if you did both pushups and pullups.

it is like the world champions that said they had never touched a weight in their life, and that bodyweight was the staple of their training regime. They were great champions probably, but they could have been in even better shape if they had also used weights in the proper manner.

so overall its good to incorperate as much into your training as you can, never exclude anything.

can't believe some of the bull**** that people still believe, particularly the myths about weight lifting

i find it staggering that there are still people who advocate "loads of reps with a low weight to tone up without getting bulky", please don't get me started on how wrong this statement is

what pysical sport don't include any weight lifting.

**** even ****ing golfers gotta lift weights.....

we anit talking about maxing out and gaining bulk, if done right lifting weights will cut the fat off you and main you stronger.

Once the NFL started to implement weight lifting, the athletes dramatically became
Bigger, Stronger and faster. Boxing needs to get out the dark ages and get with the times.

I wish I could JUST lift some weight and get all big. Its doesnt happen like that. You have to eat way more than your maintanace calories and boxing trainning wont allow that to happen, unless you're putting down 4,000+ calories.

How much muscle a person puts on is determined by their nutrition.

A simple strength training programme for athletes is excellent for boxers.

Something like a simple 3x5 programme that would include:

Squats, Deadlifts, Cleans, Bench Press, Standing Overhead Press,Dips and Pull Ups.

All of these will get you stronger and more powerful.

This idea of weights slowing people down is the biggest load of bull**** you'll ever come across. Its often people who know nothing about weight lifting that will come out with that kind of bull****.

Once the NFL started to implement weight lifting, the athletes dramatically became
Bigger, Stronger and faster. Boxing needs to get out the dark ages and get with the times.

I wish I could JUST lift some weight and get all big. Its doesnt happen like that. You have to eat way more than your maintanace calories and boxing trainning wont allow that to happen, unless you're putting down 4,000+ calories.
its totally possible to do that depending on how clean you eat. Eating a **** ton and weight lifting will get you bigger. Occasionally when im bored ill curl. but then when i go to the gym the next day and im doing any bag work my arm feel like ****. I dunno.

that aint true that weight lifting slows you down.
Thats crap.

Why 100 meter runners lift weight?

TYSON lift weight 24/7 and he was always damn fast.

FLOYD MAYWEATHER,ROY JONES, and other fast guys lift weights.

You need to lift weights if you want to do sports proffesionally.

There is no other way around.

Hell you smoking.Hahaha. Its been talked about and publicized that Tyson with Rooney didn't lift weights, it was after Rooney when he did. He also got slower in hand speed also.

He was also benching during his stay at that school upstate he got sent to.

I think liftin weightz is gud. I still cant beat this guy.


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I think liftin weightz is gud. I still cant beat this guy.


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thats f*cking great!!!!!

hahaha, what game was that again?

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sex b4 a fight...

wats ur take on it...
i really do think it affects u
:)
i remember tito from ufc said it was okay....
hmm....

sex b4 a fight...

wats ur take on it...
i really do think it affects u
:)
i remember tito from ufc said it was okay....
hmm....

No medical reason for it to not be good. If you do it RIGHT before a fight you might be too tired, or you could be distracted.

I do heavy weight lifting and it's working out swell for me and my punching speed and power. I do it a bit differently though (I explode out and then go slowly back to the starting position for all of my excercises). I still do plenty of different excercises but from day 1 when I came back and was a 6'2 super middleweight I was hurting my hands badly with 10 meter wraps and 16oz gloves and the next time I did a load of mitt/bagwork, sprained my hands and did some weird crap to parts of my hands and knuckles. Now I wear 15 meter wraps, sponges under along with my 16oz wraps and if I go anywhere past 3 days of the usual amount of bagwork/mittwork I can't go back to the mitts or bag for at least a week. If I don't ice my hands shortly after the session the next day they're too swollen for me to do anything without me getting a big timeout.

IMO if you do it right you'll see results, working swell for me and yes they're always wrapped up well and my technique is solid.

The game = Super Punch Out, I beat that man many a time.