I know he is disliked by many boxing fans, including myself. Even I have to admit he deserves to be inducted into the IBHOF. What do you guys think?

Of course he does:boxing:

I don't think he does.

Nearly!

His loss to Barrera and lack of comeback dent his credentials in alot of minds. He should have got his act together and prepared thoroughly for a rematch (he had a rematch clause!) before retiring, has he officially retired yet? He seems to be forever flirting with a comeback, but looks around the light heavy limit!

His behaviour outside the ring and subsequent jail sentence for running away from a car crash which left a man badly injured doesn't help either.

That said, he was one of the most tallented fighters in the 90s! He obliterated a number of ex champions and current champions, unified the belts, brought colour to the lower weight divisions and gave us some terrific, exciting performances. His peak was short lived 1994-1999 and many foreign fans only really got to see him from 1997 onwards which will probably mean that in alot of minds he was greatly unproven and to be honest his best form was 1994/95. But if you were British and a boxing fan in the mid 90s you were treated to many outstanding displays of speed, a unorthodox style, elusiveness and power. You could barely hit him with a bowl of rice! Also, was there ever a featherweight with more raw power? He had to be up there!

Nearly!

His loss to Barrera and lack of comeback dent his credentials in alot of minds. He should have got his act together and prepared thoroughly for a rematch (he had a rematch clause!) before retiring, has he officially retired yet? He seems to be forever flirting with a comeback, but looks around the light heavy limit!

His behaviour outside the ring and subsequent jail sentence for running away from a car crash which left a man badly injured doesn't help either.

That said, he was one of the most tallented fighters in the 90s! He obliterated a number of ex champions and current champions, unified the belts, brought colour to the lower weight divisions and gave us some terrific, exciting performances. His peak was short lived 1994-1999 and many foreign fans only really got to see him from 1997 onwards which will probably mean that in alot of minds he was greatly unproven and to be honest his best form was 1994/95. But if you were British and a boxing fan in the mid 90s you were treated to many outstanding displays of speed, a unorthodox style, elusiveness and power. You could barely hit him with a bowl of rice! Also, was there ever a featherweight with more raw power? He had to be up there!

I agree,but i voted yes.

Eventhough he is a twat, he was one of the most exciting fighters ever, a great champion for 6 years, and was a huge draw. In fact he was a much bigger draw than Floyd Mayweather, because he was big in the UK and the middle east.
He was great for boxing, and is talked about more than most fighters who retired back then.

Also, was there ever a featherweight with more raw power?

Alexis Arguello; and, depending on whether you rank him as a Featherweight or a Bantamweight, Ruben Oliveras.

Poet

In before the McGuigan comment.

look at the ibhof list http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Category:IBHOF_Members

Barry McGuigan?
Terry Norris?
Matthew Saad Muhammad?

how the hell is hamed any worse than them....especially when you guys act like gatti deserves to be there.....

.................I say yes.

Alexis Arguello; and, depending on whether you rank him as a Featherweight or a Bantamweight, Ruben Oliveras.

Poet

I love Arguello and he was definitely the better fighter, but Im not sure there was ever a featherweight with the one punch power of Hamed. I put a lot of stock into Manny Steward saying Naseem was the best puncher he ever worked with considering some of the names he's trained.

If Hamed doesn't get in the HOF clearly has no credibility. It's supposed to be great fighters and a guy that reigned as the best fw in the world for a few years in the late 90s and singlehandedly made HBO care about the little guys fits the bill of what a HOF fighter should be. If Gatti ever gets in then Hamed is a certainty.

look at the ibhof list http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Category:IBHOF_Members

Barry McGuigan?
Terry Norris?
Matthew Saad Muhammad?

how the hell is hamed any worse than them....especially when you guys act like gatti deserves to be there.....

Saad Muhammad was an awesome fighter, Naz Hamed left a grave yard of fighters behind him, if he had fought Barrera 12 months earlier Barrera would have been KOd

Naseem Hamed I believe was the first man to unify all four titles of the four main boxing bodies(WBC,IBF,WBA,WBO).Unfortunately he was never given this official credit due to the WBA stripping Vasquez in the lead up to their fight

His behaviour outside the ring and subsequent jail sentence for running away from a car crash which left a man badly injured doesn't help either.

Carlos Monzon?


Naz Hamed left a grave yard of fighters behind him, if he had fought Barrera 12 months earlier Barrera would have been KOd

What people forget is the fact that Morales and Barrera,These so called mexican warrior didn't want anything to do with Hamed for the three years he called them out.Juan Manuel Marquez the fighter who Hamed apparently wanted nothing to do with also turned down a fight with Hamed in summer of 2000.Had Barrera fought Hamed a year earlier and used the exact same tactical fight he still would have beaten Hamed,Hamed was a pale shadow of the fighter that he once was from 1998 onwards.

MANUEL MEDINA 8/31/96 126 KO11
TOM JOHNSON 2/8/97 126 KO8
KEVIN KELLEY 12/19/97 126 KO4
WILFREDO VASQUEZ 4/18/98 126 KO7
WAYNE MCCULLOUGH 10/31/98 126 W12
PAUL INGLE 4/10/99 126 KO11
CESAR SOTO 10/22/99 126 W12
VUYANI BUNGU 3/11/00 126 KO4

He dominated all these fighters throughout his 126 reign. An impressive reign and HOF worthy

look at the ibhof list http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Category:IBHOF_Members

Barry McGuigan?
Terry Norris?
Matthew Saad Muhammad?

how the hell is hamed any worse than them....especially when you guys act like gatti deserves to be there.....

Of all the guys to beef about in the HOF, picking arguably the #1 JMW and arguably a top 20 LHW were not the ways to go.

That said, I'd also induct Naz into the HOF. But he's not significantly better (if at all better) than Norris or Saad Muhammad. He's a poor man's RJJ, without the weight division jumps, something "ducked" fighters normally would do. I know Mayweather was plenty interested just 4 lbs north, and he'd even meet him at a catch weight.

Matthew Saad Muhammad a top 20 LHW of all time? No Dunce just no.He was a good fighter and nothing more.I'd rate Virgil Hill above Saad Muhammad personally

Matthew Saad Muhammad a top 20 LHW of all time? No Dunce just no.He was a good fighter and nothing more.I'd rate Virgil Hill above Saad Muhammad personally

That's because you're an idiot.

Dunce say,Dunce do and no more apparent than in this very thread.Virgil Hill is a much more accomplished fighter than Matthew Saad Muhammad,Matthew Saad Muhammad is easily one of the most overrated fighters of the last thirty five years based upon his reseme and accomplishments.Saad Muhammad isn't fit to lace the boots of Virgil Hill when comparing the two in an impartial manner.Something you are clearly incapable of dunce

Dunce say,Dunce do and no more apparent than in this very thread.Virgil Hill is a much more accomplished fighter than Matthew Saad Muhammad,Matthew Saad Muhammad is easily one of the most overrated fighters of the last thirty five years based upon his reseme and accomplishments.Saad Muhammad isn't fit to lace the boots of virgil hill

Wins over Marvin Johnson, John Conteh, Yaqui Lopez > wins over Henry Maske, Fabrice Tiozzo, Bobby Czyz.

I'd put Hamed in there, he should have held all 4 titles at once if he didn't get stripped of 1 before a fight. He was very entertaining, a classic.

yes, but offcourse the americans thinks otherwise.

Wins over Marvin Johnson, John Conteh, Yaqui Lopez > wins over Henry Maske, Fabrice Tiozzo, Bobby Czyz.

Based upon what exactly? Conteh and Johnson doesn't and shouldn't be rated over the likes of Maske,Czyz and Tiozzo as for Lopez I seriously hope you are joking.No you probably are not which is a very worrying factor.Like I said before,You are the very worst type of boxing fan there is

Based upon what exactly? Conteh and Johnson doesn't and shouldn't be rated over the likes of Maske and Tiozzo as for Lopez I seriously hope you are joking.No you probably are not which is a very worrying factor.Like I said before,You are the very worst type of boxing fan there is

What is it exactly that makes Virgil Hill, Henry Maske and Fabricio Tiozzo so much better than Matthew Saad Muhammad, Marvin Johnson and John Conteh?

It's no surprise that the light heavyweight division of the late 1970's and early 1980's is often called the golden era of the division. The late 1980's and the early 1990's on the other hand was likely the worst era in LHW history.

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Naz Hamed left a grave yard of fighters behind him

Primarily because he went looking for opponents in the graveyard in the first place. The first time he fought a legitimate prime A class opponent he got owned and retired.

That being said, he'll get into the hall because any fighter with a sizable fan following gets in: The IBHOF is all about popularity not greatness.

Poet

On the amount of world class fighters he beat, then yes he should be inducted.. I'd say he's a better fighter than Owen Moran or Baby Arizmendi, 2 former feather champs already inducted..

Will Hamed get in the HOF?

I've got 2 words for ya: Barry McGuigan.

Yep. Dude unified 126, was a spectacular puncher who stayed dominant throughout his reign, and put on a lotta entertainin fights. Get him in.

I think he does. He had a good reign at featherweight and was an exciting fighter with great talent. I think he had the tools to be Barrera but fought a stupid fight that night with his hands too low. I guess he thought he could do whatever he wanted.

He had had great tools to beat Barrera.A great punch and Barrera's weak chin.Barrera didn't beat him because of a ****ty game plan on Hamed part,He beat him because he fought an absolute shadow of the real naseem hamed.His power got him through his last three years against a bunch of fighters who had a death wish implementing the strategy that they did

He had had great tools to beat Barrera.A great punch and Barrera's weak chin.Barrera didn't beat him because of a ****ty game plan on Hamed part,He beat him because he fought an absolute shadow of the real naseem hamed.His power got him through his last three years against a bunch of fighters who had a death wish implementing the strategy that they did

Delusional. He was past his best, but he wasn't THAT past it. He simply finally got in there with the best opponent of his career. And you're fooling yourself if you don't think Barrera's technical counter punching skills would have given him fits regardless of the man's prime status.

It does make me laugh when people make Hamed out to be some sort of defensive wizard back in the day (Prime).:crazy:

Hamed was getting hammered by Sanchez, Barrera, Kelly and tagged by Tom Johnson, Paul Ingle and getting banged about by Manuel Medina and Daniel Alicea which was in his firs title defence (Alicea) but Naz fans would have you believe he was a wizard defensively and that he fell out of love with training, fighting Yadda Yadda Yadda.

When Hamed was fighting European Champions or domestic fighters he did look difficult to hit but when he stepped up Hamed was getting hammered by World Class fighters.

im not saying norris and saad muhammad werent great fighters, but they are in because of there excitment factor moreso than skills.....so whats the problem with hamed?

He had had great tools to beat Barrera.A great punch and Barrera's weak chin.Barrera didn't beat him because of a ****ty game plan on Hamed part,He beat him because he fought an absolute shadow of the real naseem hamed.His power got him through his last three years against a bunch of fighters who had a death wish implementing the strategy that they did
:rofl: LMAO...Give it up son..You ain't convincing nobody,,,Hamed can't co sign that ****

im not saying norris and saad muhammad werent great fighters, but they are in because of there excitment factor moreso than skills.....so whats the problem with hamed?

When exactly do great fighters need to be entertaining to make the HOF? Who's missing that proved greatness?

:rofl: LMAO...Give it up son..You ain't convincing nobody,,,Hamed can't co sign that ****
No.. For once he's talking sense.. Hamed was an arrogant little ****, who had just ditched his lifelong trainer (the excellent Brendan Ingle) & dumped his management team in favour of his no nothing brother, Raith..
Although he didn't realize it, Hamed's career was in total disarray at the time & he was more or less training himself, as he'd decided, he knew it all, already.. Had Barrera met the Hamed that fought Wilfredo Vasquez or Auggie Sanchez, there's no doubt in my mind, Marco would have been KTFO..
Hamed's style was largely reliant on timing, Brendan Ingles specialist subject.. He didn't have that timing for the Barrera fight, & Marco was very quick to pick him off every time he missed.. Hamed lost by a mile, & may have been stopped over 15..

i vote yes...dude brought a whole new light to boxing...he made the sport a lot more enjoyable to a new audience who wasn't too boxing savvy...he deserves to be remembered for that...

Matthew Saad Muhammad a top 20 LHW of all time? No Dunce just no.He was a good fighter and nothing more.I'd rate Virgil Hill above Saad Muhammad personally
Saad Muhammad would have destroyed Virgil Hill IMO

The problem with Hmaed is that you can never get a solid argument from his critics.They will claim that the only good opponent he ever faced was Marco Antonio Barrera despite evidence proving otherwise,They will claim that he was at his best by 2001 and hadn't declined one bit in the last three or for years of his career despite evidence proving otherwise


:rofl: LMAO...Give it up son..You ain't convincing nobody,,,Hamed can't co sign that ****

Ugh,Don't you have some hip hop forum to go post on? Go away,You are a no hoper who strives to be a second class citizen