I have been involved in sports my entire life. Played H.S football, been around plenty of gyms, fought amateur and now train young fighters.

I look at this "woman" and see her jaw line, her shoulders, hands, face and think, she has to be doing steroids. I mean, the female body doesn't gain muscle like that, they don't build muscle like men and she just has the body of a man.

I know it might be genetics, I understand there's a chance of that but I just see her facial features and body type and think she had to be juicing at some point and time in her career.

Call me crazy but I actually think Gina can beat her. I think #1, Gina was scarred, she was mentally beaten. #2 Gina was stronger naturally that Cyborg. I know some of you might dissagree but Cyborg is supposedly much better on the ground that Gina and when she was on top of Gina, Gina managed to toss her of a couple of times with brute strength.

I just think Gina was scarred and doesn't know the ground game enough to defend herself properly there. I thought she was winning the stand up and when she used the jab was landing it effectively but then stopped. She used no front kicks, which is a trade mark of hers and then went into this school yard choke hold out of instinct.

I think with better training, Gina can beat Cyborg. She actually faired a lot better than people give her credit for but Cyborg had to be doing some **** though seriously...

Funny you should post a thread on this because MMAjunkie released this article today on the same thing:

Ask the Doc: Does Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos use steroids or growth hormone? (http://mmajunkie.com/news/15878/ask-the-doc-does-cristiane-cyborg-santos-use-steroids-or-growth-hormone.mma)

With her high-profile victory over Gina Carano this past weekend, newly crowned Strikeforce 145-pound women's champion Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos will now experience scrutiny like never before.

However, that type of attention almost always leads to speculation the Brazilian striker may be using performance-enhancing drugs.

In his latest "Ask the Doc" column, MMAjunkie.com medical columnist Dr. Johnny Benjamin answers a reader's question about the topic while also cautioning why seemingly harmless speculation can have such a negative impact on the sport.

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Hey Doc: It's out there so, why don't you address it? Do you think Cris "Cyborg" Santos is on steroids, growth hormone or other performance-enhancing drugs? – Anonymous

I know better, but I will give you my two cents on this subject.

I think that this question sheds light on three controversial issues in MMA: the prevalence of performance-enhancing-drug (PED) use, fighter bashing when your favorite fighter loses, and malicious or inappropriate comments directed toward female athletes.

I have absolutely no reason to believe or suspect Cris Santos of being anything other than a superb athlete, a fearless warrior, a champion and a great ambassador for MMA. She has been tested for performance-enhancing drugs in the U.S. many times, and to my knowledge, has never failed a screen.

It disappoints me when some vocal people in cyberspace hide behind a pseudonym and make malicious and baseless attacks against athletes that have never failed a screen for banned substances. These keyboard toxicologists think that they can merely look at an athlete and "know" that so-and-so is a "juicer." There is a term for that. It's called "delusions of grandeur," and medication may help.

Do I think that (for reasons that have nothing to do with Santos) it is time to start testing blood instead of urine? Absolutely.

Do I think that Santos should be ridiculed for putting in countless hours of hard work and being superbly fit? Absolutely NOT.

Fighter bashing is just weak. Your favorite fighter lost. Get over it. He or she shook hands with the victor and is not whining. But you are. How pathetic. One of the things that I love about MMA is that a good loss does not hurt a fighter.

Remember that this is MMA and not professional boxing. An MMA fighter with a 13-3 record can be a legitimate world champion or challenger – unlike boxing, where a fighter with a 13-3 record is generally viewed as garbage. For this reason, MMA fighters don't need to pad their records with tomato cans.

Many readers think that I am against women participating in combat sports. They couldn't be more wrong. I have no problem with it. I just think that currently many of the fights that I have seen are not that good. Again, it's just my opinion.

But by any reasonable standard, Santos is an excellent fighter, and Gina Carano is a good fighter. Gender has nothing to do with it.

I am appalled at the seemingly endless references to what a female athlete looks like and worse yet what sexual act some fool wants to perform on her or vice versa.

As someone who's been part of the legislative process recently, I know this and many other types of malicious commentary are the very ammunition that detractors of MMA use to wage their anti-legalization war. So, while some pitiful individuals are out there typing away spreading their filth and venom, other MMA fans should begin to realize why it is so hard to legalize MMA in some key states and countries.

And needlessly bashing a gifted and hard-working athlete such as Santos – with no proof of anything except her dominant fighting skills and a well-conditioned body – is a big reason why.

Dr. Johnny Benjamin is MMAjunkie.com's medical columnist and consultant and a noted combat-sports specialist. He is also a member of the Association of Boxing Commissions' MMA Medical Subcommittee. Dr. Benjamin writes an "Ask the Doc" column every two weeks for MMAjunkie.com. To submit a question for a future column, email him at askthedoc [AT] mmajunkie.com, or share your questions and thoughts in the comments section below. You can find Dr. Benjamin online at www.drjohnnybenjamin.com, and you can read his other sports-related articles at blog.drjohnnybenjamin.com.

For the record, I don't think she does.

I have thought thisfor a long time. The women does steroids or growth hormone. She is a freak and would batter most men up. Gina was considered the best of the best, and cyborg just toyed with her and then destroyed her.

it looks really like stereoids...

it looks really like stereoids...

Cyborg does steroids. She has all the tell-tale signs of virilization.

in another two years, she will be virtually indistinguishable from Wanderlei Silva.

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20080728040653_IMG_2404.JPG

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8799/criscyborgmma.jpg

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I don't think she does at all, she is like a modern day amazon warrior thats all

Cyborg is a killing machine. She was born and raised a fighter. Do you have a distorted depiction of a female fighter? Do you think Chun-Li and Ayane are real fighters? Do you get a boner when you see a 90lb slut shoot a shotgun in a teenage horror flick?

The same reason the women at the lake placid games are 300lbs and can hack two-foot log in half in three seconds is why Cyborg will dominate Women's MMA. She looks like a fighter, she is built like a fighter, she is a fighter, period.

Hmm, no tits, large muscle mass. Either she is a body builder or she uses PED's
If she was a body builder would she be as fast as she is?

Gina is known for a strong punch, Cyborg walked right thru her best.
They need to go to Blood testing, so all the doubts can be erased.

I don't think she does.

Chiseled jaw line you say?

Low body fat percentage.

People would still say she looks like a man because of her facial features. Roids or not, those would not change.

Do you get a boner when you see a 90lb slut shoot a shotgun in a teenage horror flick?
really ? lol

ive known a couple girls like her before . my niece is one lol .
she could bench 180 when she was 11 . her and her old lady l have a nice life now.

so no i think she is 89% shure she is real .

I am convinced she has done steroids. It's not hard to evade testing when you are ccling off and on and you have people telling you when the test might occure.

I hate how everyone starts to think wether an athelete is taking drugs or not because they are succesful. just because their bigger and stronger than the average person., doesnt mean they take steroids.

I hate how everyone starts to think wether an athelete is taking drugs or not because they are succesful. just because their bigger and stronger than the average person., doesnt mean they take steroids.

Amen. People just like to hate.

Everyone at Chute Boxe trains like ****ing animals, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

And in any event, not every chick that competes in MMA is going to be a ****ing 10 on the hotness scale. FFS their fighters not models.

Female bodybuilding has evolved grotesquely since the days of 1970's and 80's competition, thanks to steroids.

The only way we'll know if Christiane is on the juice is randomly testing her.

Her testosterone levels are higher more in her than other female fighter/athletes are, so her tomboy looks and muscularity will raise speculation.

Amen. People just like to hate.

Everyone at Chute Boxe trains like ****ing animals, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

And in any event, not every chick that competes in MMA is going to be a ****ing 10 on the hotness scale. FFS their fighters not models.

Nobody is hating on anyone. I do not think she's on the juice because she beat Cerano, I think she is because of the way she LOOKS.

Look at her...............

Dude.

http://fightticker.com/files/images/cris_cyborg_santos_flexing.jpg

All I know is that I would nut all over Carano in practice daily.

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Nobody is hating on anyone. I do not think she's on the juice because she beat Cerano, I think she is because of the way she LOOKS.

Look at her...............

So because she looks in great shape, she has to be taking steroids?

C'mon. You know it is possible for people to get into great shape without taking steroids. Especially people who train and fight for a living...they don't have time for anything else

Accusing her of being on roids is childis and borderline slander

Accusing her of being on roids is childis and borderline slander

Slander is spoken, libel is written.

:fing02:

How many women have you ever seen built like she is? And with a name like Cyborg, you have to wonder

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Yes Id say she is on steroids

How many women have you ever seen built like she is? And with a name like Cyborg, you have to wonder

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I've seen a few though they were not quite as "butch" as Cyborg but that doesn't mean they take steroids. Again these men and women's job's are to train, if your are serious enough about it (diet, weight training) it's not hard to fathom being in that kind of shape.

And Cyborg is also her husband's nickname Evangelista Santos.

I've seen a few though they were not quite as "butch" as Cyborg but that doesn't mean they take steroids. Again these men and women's job's are to train, if your are serious enough about it (diet, weight training) it's not hard to fathom being in that kind of shape.

And Cyborg is also her husband's nickname Evangelista Santos.

maybe so, but she looks too tough to be a woman. I know some women have certain genes and what not but I mean damn, she scares me and I don't have to fight her.

The more photos I see of her, the manlier she gets.

She's still all woman, though.

Ive seen much "manlier" looking women.

plus dont you think she gets drug tested?

All I know is that I would nut all over Carano in practice daily.


Good thing you don't train then. :wtf:

People who actually train, roll/spar with women all the time, many of which are quite attractive, some of which are even more so than Gina Carano.

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I've seen a few though they were not quite as "butch" as Cyborg but that doesn't mean they take steroids. Again these men and women's job's are to train, if your are serious enough about it (diet, weight training) it's not hard to fathom being in that kind of shape.

And Cyborg is also her husband's nickname Evangelista Santos.

Why don't people read post properly? I said nothing about being in that type of "shape". Yes a woman can be in that kind of shape, I'm talking about her facial bone structure, her upper body mass, these are things you don't see in women unless they are juicing.

There's this 58yr old former body builder in my gym. Real cool guy and has actually taken time to make me a nice weight regiment for me to do during my off days from boxing. I asked him about Cyborg and he told me without a shadow of a doubt in his 40+ years of weight lifting experience, she had to do some type of drug enhancement to attain that face and upper body mass.

There are many women in this gym I go to that look like her. When I mean look like her I mean her facial features and structure. It's very similar and you can tell it's a pattern that happens to people that do those types of drugs.

I don't know for sure, this is just my opinion and I'm no expert but it just seems to me that her face and body show signs of steroid use...

I also think that she's on the juice, but we never know.

Nope. She just trains like a man. Look at how Cyborg trains and then look at how Carano trains. TOTALLY different.

Gina trains like female athletes. Cyborg trains like male athletes, thats why she looks like a beast. If she trained like female athletes, like Gina does, then she wouldn't look any different than Gina. Since she doesn't, she looks like Sean Sherk because she is lifting big ass monster truck tires and ****.

The more photos I see of her, the manlier she gets.

She's still all woman, though.

Except for the enlarged clit/mini-dick. A la Chyna.

Why don't people read post properly? I said nothing about being in that type of "shape". Yes a woman can be in that kind of shape, I'm talking about her facial bone structure, her upper body mass, these are things you don't see in women unless they are juicing.

There's this 58yr old former body builder in my gym. Real cool guy and has actually taken time to make me a nice weight regiment for me to do during my off days from boxing. I asked him about Cyborg and he told me without a shadow of a doubt in his 40+ years of weight lifting experience, she had to do some type of drug enhancement to attain that face and upper body mass.

There are many women in this gym I go to that look like her. When I mean look like her I mean her facial features and structure. It's very similar and you can tell it's a pattern that happens to people that do those types of drugs.

I don't know for sure, this is just my opinion and I'm no expert but it just seems to me that her face and body show signs of steroid use...

There are plenty of manly looking women with odd (male like) facial structures, but that doesn't mean they are all on steroids.

Look at Marion Jones. She was taking a ****ing assload of Performance Enhancers (THG, EpiTest, GH, EPO, Insulin) and she doesn't look very manly at all. Granted everyone is different, but still. Marion doesn't look very manly at all and she was on some heavy ****

Peoples hormones fluctuate differently and aren't as well balanced as others. Same with men. Some males may produce more or less testosterone that other males, and some have higher estrogen levels than others.

Even if her facial structure is the result of using steroids, do you know how a high doses and how long she'd have to be running them to induce those kinds of effects? I'd say more than a few heavy cycles. And even if she is cycling that heavy, she'd have no feminine traits left to be medically qualified as a woman.

Female Trans-Genders usually use Testosterone based AAS, like androgel as part of their hormone therapy...and Androgel is weak as ****.

Also like F L I C K E R posted, Cyborg and Gina train very differently. They even fight differently. If you watch the fight again you can clearly see it in the way they throw their punches. Gina throws punches like a girl, cyborg doesn't.

Gina puts on at least 30lbs in the off-season, Cyborg doesn't get out of shape.

If you knew anything about the history of Chute Boxe and their methods, you'd know that they also go through VERY different training routines. Chute Boxe breeds animals. Aggressive, gritty, violent fighters. They don't go anything less that 100% when they train.

There are plenty of manly looking women with odd (male like) facial structures, but that doesn't mean they are all on steroids.

Look at Marion Jones. She was taking a ****ing assload of Performance Enhancers (THG, EpiTest, GH, EPO, Insulin) and she doesn't look very manly at all. Granted everyone is different, but still. Marion doesn't look very manly at all and she was on some heavy ****

Peoples hormones fluctuate differently and aren't as well balanced as others. Same with men. Some males may produce more or less testosterone that other males, and some have higher estrogen levels than others.

Even if her facial structure is the result of using steroids, do you know how a high doses and how long she'd have to be running them to induce those kinds of effects? I'd say more than a few heavy cycles. And even if she is cycling that heavy, she'd have no feminine traits left to be medically qualified as a woman.

Female Trans-Genders usually use Testosterone based AAS, like androgel as part of their hormone therapy...and Androgel is weak as ****.

Also like F L I C K E R posted, Cyborg and Gina train very differently. They even fight differently. If you watch the fight again you can clearly see it in the way they throw their punches. Gina throws punches like a girl, cyborg doesn't.

Gina puts on at least 30lbs in the off-season, Cyborg doesn't get out of shape.

If you knew anything about the history of Chute Boxe and their methods, you'd know that they also go through VERY different training routines. Chute Boxe breeds animals. Aggressive, gritty, violent fighters. They don't go anything less that 100% when they train.

exactly!

and if you look at her body, and compare it to the bodies of female bodybuilders, who are using serious juice, it starts to look even more like she's just a very hard working woman. working like a beast to overcome her natural limitations.

Cyborg does steroids. She has all the tell-tale signs of virilization.

in another two years, she will be virtually indistinguishable from Wanderlei Silva.

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20080728040653_IMG_2404.JPG

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8799/criscyborgmma.jpg

http://www.strikemma.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/wanderlei_silva.jpg

Female bodybuilding has evolved grotesquely since the days of 1970's and 80's competition, thanks to steroids.

The only way we'll know if Christiane is on the juice is randomly testing her.

Her testosterone levels are higher more in her than other female fighter/athletes are, so her tomboy looks and muscularity will raise speculation.

Except for the enlarged clit/mini-dick. A la Chyna.

yes, this is the only way to be sure, someone will have to volunteer to get her naked and touch that giant clit