WBC light heavyweight champion Fabrice Tiozzo has just scored a sixth round TKO over former longtime former WBO champion Dariusz Michalczewski at the Color Line Arena in Hamburg, Germany. Time was 2:15.

Damn, Neuraxis, I guess this makes Dariusz overrated like Roy, huh? Two straight losses, both beatdowns.

Of course I'm not serious, but hopefully you get my point.

**** i thought Dariuz would give a better showing than that. Tiozzo is a tough customer though so good for him

WBC light heavyweight champion Fabrice Tiozzo has just scored a sixth round TKO over former longtime former WBO champion Dariusz Michalczewski at the Color Line Arena in Hamburg, Germany. Time was 2:15.

Damn, Neuraxis, I guess this makes Dariusz overrated like Roy, huh? Two straight losses, both beatdowns.

Of course I'm not serious, but hopefully you get my point.


Yeah after all that Roy Jones bashing, it is gonna be interesting to hear what Neuraxis has to say about this. DM was the one who was overrated.

Did anyone see the fight? Was it totally one-sided?

I saw it. Gotta say, it wasn`t what i`d call one sided but its like DM with his long absence from the ring and Tiozzo`s pressure, just grinded him down. i don`t think Dariusz is overrated because he had a fantastic run as WBO champion. Listen, when fighters cross the 35 yrs mark, not all of them, but some, most recent ones being Roy Jones, they can fall apart in one fight. Especially after a long break like Dariusz had. Tiozzo has been mildy active and mixing with a reasonable class of opponent. Still, i am a bit shocked with how Tiozzo won but there you go. i think Tiozzo has earned at least a decent pay day with a Tarver or a Johnson with this win!

I expected Michalczewski to beat Tiozzo rather easily...didnt see this coming for sure :confused:

This is a surprise, perhaps Darius Michaelwski should vs Roy Jones now.

Yeah too shot recently KO`ed fighters bashing whats left out of themselves. Best idea is retirement for both!

Yeah after all that Roy Jones bashing, it is gonna be interesting to hear what Neuraxis has to say about this. DM was the one who was overrated.

I never bashed Roy in the sence that I thought that he was horrible fighter. I bashed him in the sence that I thought he was a little conservative in picking his fights. They both had a good run and they both need to retire...well that and his horrible announcing.

Did anyone see the fight? Was it totally one-sided?

From what I've read it was pretty much 48-47 Tiozzo going into the sixth round.

WBC light heavyweight champion Fabrice Tiozzo has just scored a sixth round TKO over former longtime former WBO champion Dariusz Michalczewski at the Color Line Arena in Hamburg, Germany. Time was 2:15.

Damn, Neuraxis, I guess this makes Dariusz overrated like Roy, huh? Two straight losses, both beatdowns.

Of course I'm not serious, but hopefully you get my point.
He's done. It's that simple.

WBC light heavyweight champion Fabrice Tiozzo has just scored a sixth round TKO over former longtime former WBO champion Dariusz Michalczewski at the Color Line Arena in Hamburg, Germany. Time was 2:15.

Damn, Neuraxis, I guess this makes Dariusz overrated like Roy, huh? Two straight losses, both beatdowns.

Of course I'm not serious, but hopefully you get my point.

I get your point, but if I were a boxer I'd much rather have gone through DM's two "beat downs" than Roys.

He's done. It's that simple.

It would appear so, and it was also really idiotic to fight a top 5 light heavyweight (who's only 2 losses are against Hill during his prime at light heavyweight and in 2000 at cruiserweight) for a belt after having been inactive for 16 months.

or maybe he had sex before his fight just like Wlad did...

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wish i wouldve saw this fight ;o

darius has always been overrated..but in his prime..he would have dropped tiozzo's ass

Dariusz career has to be over now. He was a good champion with a remarkebale run but he will never be the fighter he once used to be. That's nothing to be ashamed of as nobody can avoid getting older and slower.

I saw the fight and it wasn't completly onesided but I had Tiozzo 49-46 up going into the sixth round. I gave Dariusz the forth, if my memory serves me right, but that one could've gone either way. Tiozzo was clearly the better and more active fighter and desvered the win hands down. Dariusz tried to rally with short uppercuts and left-right combos but didn't impress Tiozzo at all. A right hook to the upper part of the head finally took away Daruisz' feet and set him up for some quick shots that knocked him down. He made the count, the ref allowed him to continue but as Tiozzo banged away Dariusz was defensless and turned his back on Fabrice leaving the referee no other choice but to TKO him. Good refereeing there as the fight was clearly decided and further punishment unneccesary.

His trainer Fritz Sdunek and his promoter Klaus-Peter Kohl made pretty clear statements about the future of Dariusz in the boxing sport. Both would like him to retire. So that should've been the end of a Hall of Fame career.

where can i download the fight

Dariusz career has to be over now. He was a good champion with a remarkebale run but he will never be the fighter he once used to be. That's nothing to be ashamed of as nobody can avoid getting older and slower.

I saw the fight and it wasn't completly onesided but I had Tiozzo 49-46 up going into the sixth round. I gave Dariusz the forth, if my memory serves me right, but that one could've gone either way. Tiozzo was clearly the better and more active fighter and desvered the win hands down. Dariusz tried to rally with short uppercuts and left-right combos but didn't impress Tiozzo at all. A right hook to the upper part of the head finally took away Daruisz' feet and set him up for some quick shots that knocked him down. He made the count, the ref allowed him to continue but as Tiozzo banged away Dariusz was defensless and turned his back on Fabrice leaving the referee no other choice but to TKO him. Good refereeing there as the fight was clearly decided and further punishment unneccesary.

His trainer Fritz Sdunek and his promoter Klaus-Peter Kohl made pretty clear statements about the future of Dariusz in the boxing sport. Both would like him to retire. So that should've been the end of a Hall of Fame career.

Very good summary, I saw it the same way. I was shocked though how easily Tiozzo won the fight. I expected Darek to fight much better, at least to give Tiozzo some trouble. No footwork at all, he was stiff as hell, at some moments being a punching bag... I think he should retire now, cause he won't be back at the top, and beating down 15+ ranked fighters isn't a challenge for him anymore. Lots of respect for all his career, but it's time to go now...

well who was darius M anyway? he was another "champion" who never fought out of germany and won many disputed defenses against lowly ranked opponents...

i did like his style, but in my opinion, he was never the quality of a true world champion....

if a fighter stays in germany he is not a champ ?

a lot of fighters stay in america , so that makes them paper champs too ...*


tiozzo stated in the french main sports paper that he wants roy jones , he says roy is still a bigger name than tarver or glen johnson.

well who was darius M anyway? he was another "champion" who never fought out of germany and won many disputed defenses against lowly ranked opponents...

i did like his style, but in my opinion, he was never the quality of a true world champion....

Ouch. Are you serious? How was the linear champ and the first person to ever hold the IBF, WBO, and WBA belts at the same time just another champion? And how are Rocchigiani x 2, Hill, Griffin, Hall x 2, Harmon, Thazdi, Tiozzo, Gonzalez, and Lakatus that much worse than the people Jones fought at ligh heavyweight? And what exactly are disputed defenses? Is this a disputed defense? Sure it is right.

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Roy didn't have disputed or even close fights with Harmom or Hall...DM did.

Did anyone see the fight? Was it totally one-sided?
i watched the fight and to be honest, DM looked a little out of sorts from the start, and at the same time Tiozzo looked very confident.

Tiozzo was scintilating on the inside and took care of DM as the middle rounds approached.

Although, let's not forget guys that DM fights out of Germany, so he was probably trying to drag it to the scorecards and achieve the usual german judgement. Thank god Tiozzo disposed of DM and avoided the usual german farce.

Roy didn't have disputed or even close fights with Harmom or Hall...DM did.

He fought Hall and Harmon when he was already slipping and regardless he TKO'd Hall sooner than RJJ could. And he finished of Harmon before RJJ could, and he was the first person to KO him.

i watched the fight and to be honest, DM looked a little out of sorts from the start, and at the same time Tiozzo looked very confident.

Tiozzo was scintilating on the inside and took care of DM as the middle rounds approached.

Although, let's not forget guys that DM fights out of Germany, so he was probably trying to drag it to the scorecards and achieve the usual german judgement. Thank god Tiozzo disposed of DM and avoided the usual german farce.

Hello, Earth to Moochi. DM had one decision win between 1997-2005, and that was against Hill.

He fought Hall and Harmon when he was already slipping and regardless he TKO'd Hall sooner than RJJ could. And he finished of Harmon before RJJ could, and he was the first person to KO him.

You are starting to look like a blind DM supporter. His fights with Hall and Harmon were both disputed because of the referee work whuch was more than questionable.

Dm was slipping, no doubt, but the referee was horrible and he could have lost one or both of those fights when DM was in a position to be stopped, but of course they give him ample chance to come back.

You are starting to look like a blind DM supporter. His fights with Hall and Harmon were both disputed because of the referee work whuch was more than questionable.

Dm was slipping, no doubt, but the referee was horrible and he could have lost one or both of those fights when DM was in a position to be stopped, but of course they give him ample chance to come back.

Not necessarily, but first off there were three fights. I understand where you are coming from for the DM vs. Hall I fight. The ref should have waited to the end of the 11th before stopping it or he could have let it go to the distance. Hall was too far behind to win, 97-93, 98-93, 97-93. I didn't see much of anything wrong with Hall II or the Harmon fight though.

Not necessarily, but first off there were three fights. I understand where you are coming from for the DM vs. Hall I fight. The ref should have waited to the end of the 11th before stopping it or he could have let it go to the distance. Hall was too far behind to win, 97-93, 98-93, 97-93. I didn't see much of anything wrong with Hall II or the Harmon fight though.

Yes, I knew there were 3 fights (2 with Hall). That fight with Harmon in particular, I knew there was something fishy abou it, but at this time I can't remember what it was that happened. I'll have to go back and do some searching.

Yes, I knew there were 3 fights (2 with Hall). That fight with Harmon in particular, I knew there was something fishy abou it, but at this time I can't remember what it was that happened. I'll have to go back and do some searching.

Well I just got done watching DM vs. Hall II, and I must admit you are right the ref did a horrible job. Hall kept hitting DM in the hip well below the belt and he just let him do it. If you don't like the stoppage, their's no standing 8 count, and if Hall isn't going to punch back while taking punch after punch, the ref has to stop it. Regardless though the ref did nothing against Hall and the fight was either 88-83 or 87-84 going into the 10th, and Hall was doing worse and worse the later it got into the fight. It wasn't close. I'm not sure how you can blaim Eddie Cotton for the outcome of a DM vs. Harmon when there is a KO unless Cotton KO'd Harmon.

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And one more thing it doesn't make sense to look at fights which happened no where near the time the DM vs. RJJ fight should have happened. When they fought is the most important factor here. And here's how I see the different time periods turning out.

1996-1997 = DM wins
1998-2000 = toss up
2001-2003 = RJJ wins
2004-present = DM wins

Hello, Earth to Moochi. DM had one decision win between 1997-2005, and that was against Hill.
i wasn't bad mouthing him personally, but more the whole german establishment.....

of Darius' 50 fights, he fought 48 in germany, one in Poland (under the same promoter) and one early early on in Portugal.

If he was such a great, why didn't he fight in the states? what was he scared of? i am sure that the mecca of boxing is in the states and he would have earned triple his money.....or am i wrong?

did u say lakatus? do you honestly call lakatus a genuine contender? ....no offence to him, but he is a joke with a big heart, and he troubled erdei too, hence my non-recognition of Erdei being a "champ"..

do you remember when DM faked being knocked out when he was hit after the bell by rocchigiani?...what a big man he was....what a girl more like it....that was so champion of him, acting dazed out.

i just hope that professional boxing promotion in german is outlawed sooner rather than later....it is a shame to the sport.

i wasn't bad mouthing him personally, but more the whole german establishment.....

of Darius' 50 fights, he fought 48 in germany, one in Poland (under the same promoter) and one early early on in Portugal.

If he was such a great, why didn't he fight in the states? what was he scared of? i am sure that the mecca of boxing is in the states and he would have earned triple his money.....or am i wrong?

Why should the champion fight in the U.S. for much less money than he would make in Germany. Also you seem to be forgetting how the WBA, WBC, and IBF screwed him. I wouldn't want to fight in the U.S. "the meca of boxing" after that kind of crap either. Quit acting like the only corruption in boxing is in Germany.

did u say lakatus? do you honestly call lakatus a genuine contender? ....no offence to him, but he is a joke with a big heart, and he troubled erdei too, hence my non-recognition of Erdei being a "champ"..

Lakatus is more of a legit contender than DM's sparing partner Richard Frazier, Telesco, or Glen Kelly.

do you remember when DM faked being knocked out when he was hit after the bell by rocchigiani?...what a big man he was....what a girl more like it....that was so champion of him, acting dazed out.

i just hope that professional boxing promotion in german is outlawed sooner rather than later....it is a shame to the sport.

Yeah just like when Wlad faked being KO'd when Brewster hit him after the bell. Is it legal to do that? I think not. At least he gave him a rematch and did what was necassary by completely dominating him.

1. DM hadn't any questionable decisions. If you say he had, means you never watched those fights. The only thing we can mention is the first Rocchigiani fight, but hey, wasn't it after the bell or what?
2. DM never fought in the States, cause he was offered ****ty money. He beat all top American LHW fighters at the time, though (except for RJJ, who didn't feel like going to Germany to geet his ass whooped). ;-)

3. BS decisions happen everywhere, usually in the States (e.g. Lewis/Holy I, Ruiz/Golota and many more)...

Did anyone see the fight? Was it totally one-sided?


I saw the fight! It was a good fight. Dariusz was landing some solid shots to the face and body and some good uppercuts in the early rounds. But it didn't seem to hurt his opponent. Than he just got caught by two solid right hooks to the head and anothe rshot to the face as he was going down. I am afraid that DM should think about hanging up the gloves.

1. DM hadn't any questionable decisions. If you say he had, means you never watched those fights. The only thing we can mention is the first Rocchigiani fight, but hey, wasn't it after the bell or what?
2. DM never fought in the States, cause he was offered ****ty money. He beat all top American LHW fighters at the time, though (except for RJJ, who didn't feel like going to Germany to geet his ass whooped). ;-)

3. BS decisions happen everywhere, usually in the States (e.g. Lewis/Holy I, Ruiz/Golota and many more)...
you see you can pick out the bad decisions which happen in the states, because they are seldom....which is still bad enough....also castillo - mayweather was a shocking decision.

although in germany, it seems that perhaps every 2nd title fight that goes to the cards is controversial.

i don't enjoy saying this, but i have been watching nearly every title fight in germany for the past 5 years.........it is disgraceful, yet nobody in germany seems to worry about it...although the crowd sometimes actually do cheer the "real winner" although the official loser.

have you guys ever heard of danny green? pls what is your explanation for his DQ?

you see you can pick out the bad decisions which happen in the states, because they are seldom....which is still bad enough....also castillo - mayweather was a shocking decision.

although in germany, it seems that perhaps every 2nd title fight that goes to the cards is controversial.

i don't enjoy saying this, but i have been watching nearly every title fight in germany for the past 5 years.........it is disgraceful, yet nobody in germany seems to worry about it...although the crowd sometimes actually do cheer the "real winner" although the official loser.

have you guys ever heard of danny green? pls what is your explanation for his DQ?

I didn't see Beyer-green, from what I heard green was battering beyer when he lsot his mind and delibarately headbutted him and got DQ'd...but any explanation from somebody who saw it is welcome :D

Now that I think back I think the only thing about the DM-Harmon fight that caught me was the fact that DM seem3ed to struggle a good bit with Harmon (fight was rougher than it should have been).

As for the 2nd Hall fight, I never suspected much about that, just the 1st one.

As for those years you think DM would have beaten RJJ, I just don't see it happening. I thought DM was a very good fighter but not enough foot or handspeed to get to RJJ enough to beat him. We obviously will continue to disagree on this point but that's ok.

I didn't see Beyer-green, from what I heard green was battering beyer when he lsot his mind and delibarately headbutted him and got DQ'd...but any explanation from somebody who saw it is welcome :D
danny was indeed belting beyer from pillar to post and beyer was bleeding profusely from the 3rd round on. He was bleeding that much, that in the 5th round even Green was covered in his blood.

then after some rough tactics from both fighters it appeared that green headbutted beyer, and in the usual way beyer and all the german promoters were crying out loud.

so the ref gave green a 2 point penalty....although simultaneously the doctor said the cut was too open, and this is where the germans hased their case on in the aftermath. the referee then said go to the score cards, which of course still would have been a points win for Green, but the promoters went absolutely spastic and argued that the headbutt caused the cut......yeah right that is why their was blood from the same cut for the past 3 rounds....

so after 10 minutes of intense pressure and intimidation, the ref succumbed to this and then gave a DQ decision. to add insult to injury, the replay showed that the headbutt did not touch the cut at all......

but as you might know, the boxing organization cannot change results, and this is why the germans don't give a fu.. as long as they have their title and live to fight another day.....

the wbc ordered an immediate rematch, and it has taken nearly 2 years for it to eventuate....typical german.

i have the fight on file....maybe i can upload it......

I was very surprised by that. I thought Michaelzceski's power and pressure would get the job done. I guess it's because Tiozzo is back at 175 that has rejuvenated him. He is very strong there.

Tiozzo is a very strong character, tough as nails inside so when he decided 1 year ago to loose 40 pounds and get the title back it really meant something happened in his mind. Now he sees the opportunity for the big payday he should have got a while ago, and he really deserves a mega fight mega bucks. I really love the guy, and it was so good to see him tear DM's ass and the judges along (wasn't it moochi ? ;-)

Now that I think back I think the only thing about the DM-Harmon fight that caught me was the fact that DM seem3ed to struggle a good bit with Harmon (fight was rougher than it should have been).

As for the 2nd Hall fight, I never suspected much about that, just the 1st one.

As for those years you think DM would have beaten RJJ, I just don't see it happening. I thought DM was a very good fighter but not enough foot or handspeed to get to RJJ enough to beat him. We obviously will continue to disagree on this point but that's ok.

Yeah DM did struggle with Harmon as DM was almost completely gone at the time. It was his last win before he lost two in a row. Yeah I guess disagreement is alright. I just think that DM could have given Roy trouble because of the way Roy avoided the hardest hitters at every division. But you have to respect them both as boxers, which it seems like so few on each side of this actually do.

Tiozzo is a very strong character, tough as nails inside so when he decided 1 year ago to loose 40 pounds and get the title back it really meant something happened in his mind. Now he sees the opportunity for the big payday he should have got a while ago, and he really deserves a mega fight mega bucks. I really love the guy, and it was so good to see him tear DM's ass and the judges along (wasn't it moochi ? ;-)

How about uploading the fight.

you see you can pick out the bad decisions which happen in the states, because they are seldom....which is still bad enough....also castillo - mayweather was a shocking decision.

although in germany, it seems that perhaps every 2nd title fight that goes to the cards is controversial.

i don't enjoy saying this, but i have been watching nearly every title fight in germany for the past 5 years.........it is disgraceful, yet nobody in germany seems to worry about it...although the crowd sometimes actually do cheer the "real winner" although the official loser.

have you guys ever heard of danny green? pls what is your explanation for his DQ?

Way to completely avoid my post and post random exaggerated crap like this. :fing02:

How about uploading the fight.

I saw bits of it + last round on the french sport news, that's it. If I had the whole fight I would have laready uploaded it

I saw bits of it + last round on the french sport news, that's it. If I had the whole fight I would have laready uploaded it

Oh well, but congradulations to Tiozzo. He seems to get no respect. The guy is a legit champion who barely lost to Hill when he was the man at LHW and he just happened to get caught with a good punch in their second fight at CW. He beat up on McCallum before RJJ did. Its going to be interesting to see how much noise he makes at LHW now.

Yes he's got to hurry, one last fight and that's it! Johnson would be a good opponent, and he could take him I think.

Yes he's got to hurry, one last fight and that's it! Johnson would be a good opponent, and he could take him I think.

Why do you think that he only has one fight left in him?

He's 35, always had problems to make weight, and often problems with his back.
I was already surprised he could come back last year to stop Branco, and now DM it's a great accomplishement. I just don't see him making several title defenses against contenders, but just going after one big star and hang up. But he proved wrong many people so I could be wrong too (which I hope !)

He's 35, always had problems to make weight, and often problems with his back.
I was already surprised he could come back last year to stop Branco, and now DM it's a great accomplishement. I just don't see him making several title defenses against contenders, but just going after one big star and hang up. But he proved wrong many people so I could be wrong too (which I hope !)

Yeah I'd like to see him fight Johnson. I think that he shouldn't retire until he noticably starts to lose it (which hasn't happened yet) or until he gets injured again.

I've seen the fight and didn't expected Tiger to be TKOed.
He looked old! Lack of movement and waiting for one punch.

If you would've posted on this forum two years back and said that RJJ & DM were in line to fall off the radar in the next couple of years...how many people would've called bull****? I'd say 99.9% if not the whole hunnid.

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First time I had seen Tiozzo fight. He looked really good, he took a few shots but his punches were very accurate. I think the winner of Johnson/Tarver II should give him a shot at the title.

First time I had seen Tiozzo fight. He looked really good, he took a few shots but his punches were very accurate. I think the winner of Johnson/Tarver II should give him a shot at the title.

Because Johnson or Tarver have any belts besides Johnson's "Ring Belt" which I'm not sure how RJJ got to begin with. Tiozzo has the WBA belt.

Yeah but most do see Johnson as the champ, Tiozzo definately deserves a shot.

Yeah but most do see Johnson as the champ, Tiozzo definately deserves a shot.

Wrongly so though, I don't expect Johnson to reign for too long. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Michalczewski stopped by Fabrice Tiozzo

1991-09-16 Pro debut for Michalczewski

Michalczewski announced his retirement on a press conference in Hamburg Germany on June 1st 2005 :confused: