What happened in that fight i know Tszyu got tko'd but what happened in it exactly?

From the clips I've seen it looks like Phillips just bumrushed his ass and hurt him, over and over against the ropes and the ref had to stop it. I mean Tsyzu looked focked up, man.

What happend was tszyu was undertrained and didn't fight smart, that's why he changed his whole training regimen and focus and he is far more mature now. so tszyu then and now is not comparable.

What happend was tszyu was undertrained and didn't fight smart, that's why he changed his whole training regimen and focus and he is far more mature now. so tszyu then and now is not comparable.

How do you really know that, seriously? Provide a link or some evidence.

How do you really know that, seriously? Provide a link or some evidence.
Why does everybody want evidence from me, it's a know fact, that after this defeat he changed his whole regimen and is now regarded as the hardest training and one of the better focused fighters. and he seems to get better and smarter in each fight just watch the fight, he keeps is hands up, he doesn't rush without defense. Even fighters who went to his training camp all aussie fighter but also jones said they never saw someone train like him. i've got pictures of him and jones but don't know how to post if you will explain i will.

Why does everybody want evidence from me, it's a know fact, that after this defeat he changed his whole regimen and is now regarded as the hardest training and one of the better focused fighters. and he seems to get better and smarter in each fight just watch the fight, he keeps is hands up, he doesn't rush without defense. Even fighters who went to his training camp all aussie fighter but also jones said they never saw someone train like him. i've got pictures of him and jones but don't know how to post if you will explain i will.


...It was very early in Zoo's career and he bounced back nicely. If they had fought even a year later Zoo kills him. Phillips got lucky catching Zoo when he did. If they met 10 times in their careers Zoo wins 9 after that first fight.

...It was very early in Zoo's career and he bounced back nicely. If they had fought even a year later Zoo kills him. Phillips got lucky catching Zoo when he did. If they met 10 times in their careers Zoo wins 9 after that first fight.
yep good post

man wtf is up with excuses for tszyu, phillips knocked him out end of story thast what happened

man wtf is up with excuses for tszyu, phillips knocked him out end of story thast what happened
yes he KO'd tszyu but there is a reason for that, obviously one reason was philips right hand and the other reason's i and pbds already posted.

To be honest, I can't see the huge transformation in KT from the Phillips fight to more recent bouts that everyone keeps harping on about. Sure he's more experienced but his style's identical and he didn't look spent when Phillips KO'd him so I doubt he was underconditioned, he just couldn't take the shots or pressure. Someone please point the differences out to me if I'm missing something.

yes he KO'd tszyu but there is a reason for that, obviously one reason was philips right hand and the other reason's i and pbds already posted.

what he wasnt trainign properly? he won everyfight coming up to phillips i dotn see anythign wrong. if he didnt train properly for this fight thats his own damn fault

To be honest, I can't see the huge transformation in KT from the Phillips fight to more recent bouts that everyone keeps harping on about. Sure he's more experienced but his style's identical and he didn't look spent when Phillips KO'd him so I doubt he was underconditioned, he just couldn't take the shots or pressure. Someone please point the differences out to me if I'm missing something.

exactly in fact the tszyu i saw agasint mitchell in there second fight doesnt look as good as the one that fought phillips. to me that is

I liked how RJJ was yelling, "Yes, yes, yes." Great job HBO.

exactly in fact the tszyu i saw agasint mitchell in there second fight doesnt look as good as the one that fought phillips. to me that is

Yeah, the Mitchell fight just showed that his power and accuracy were still there and that Mitchell is as overated as they come, and probably spent. I'm more of the opinion that he's only looked as impressive as he has since Phillips because he's not fought anyone nearly as good as Phillips was that night as opposed to there being a huge transformation in him as a fighter.

I liked how RJJ was yelling, "Yes, yes, yes." Great job HBO.


umm vince is RJJ's homeboy they both born in pensacola florida bro thats not HBO

To be honest, I can't see the huge transformation in KT from the Phillips fight to more recent bouts that everyone keeps harping on about. Sure he's more experienced but his style's identical and he didn't look spent when Phillips KO'd him so I doubt he was underconditioned, he just couldn't take the shots or pressure. Someone please point the differences out to me if I'm missing something.


...He didn't look anything like he looks now as far as ring generalship and from an experience standpoint. He learned a great deal from that fight and was better for it. Phillips career is **** compared to Zoo's and he couldn't hold Zoo's jock in the grand scheme of things. He beat an inexperienced kid in that fight. Big ****in deal. So, Frank the tank, you feel that Zoo didn't get any better in his career than that night? What a stupid sonclusion that is. Get the **** outa here with that stupid ****.

...He didn't look anything like he looks now as far as ring generalship and from an experience standpoint. He learned a great deal from that fight and was better for it. Phillips career is **** compared to Zoo's and he couldn't hold Zoo's jock in the grand scheme of things. He beat an inexperienced kid in that fight. Big ****in deal. So, Frank the tank, you feel that Zoo didn't get any better in his career than that night? What a stupid sonclusion that is. Get the **** outa here with that stupid ****.


are u telling me that the tszyu now will beat the tszyu that lost to phillips?

umm vince is RJJ's homeboy they both born in pensacola florida bro thats not HBO

umm what was he doing with an HBO microphone then? It was extremely unprofessional of HBO, no wonder Tszyu is on Showtime.

umm what was he doing with an HBO microphone then? It was extremely unprofessional of HBO, no wonder Tszyu is on Showtime.


i think i misunderstood you. i thought when u said good job HBO u were implieng that HBO told roy to cheer liek that for vince if he won. my bad

...He didn't look anything like he looks now as far as ring generalship and from an experience standpoint. He learned a great deal from that fight and was better for it. Phillips career is **** compared to Zoo's and he couldn't hold Zoo's jock in the grand scheme of things. He beat an inexperienced kid in that fight. Big ****in deal. So, Frank the tank, you feel that Zoo didn't get any better in his career than that night? What a stupid sonclusion that is. Get the **** outa here with that stupid ****.

Listen moron, I said he's more experienced now didn't I? I'd hardly call a 28 year old with his amateur record and 6 title defences under his belt an inexperienced kid. He had decent ring generalship before the Phillips fight too, Phillips just had the right game for him. You get the **** outa here intead of just spouting **** about him that you've read on here.

Listen moron, I said he's more experienced now didn't I? I'd hardly call a 28 year old with his amateur record and 6 title defences under his belt an inexperienced kid. He had decent ring generalship before the Phillips fight too, Phillips just had the right game for him. You get the **** outa here intead of just spouting **** about him that you've read on here.


.....I remember the phillips fight well and Zoo made crucial errors in his attack and he never tried to take a step back and compose himself while he was getting caught. He only knew one way to fight then and it got him in trouble. He takes his time much more now and waits for his opponent to make their mistake and then bam. He didn't fight like that with Phillips and he was far too reckless.

Zoo is a much better fighter now and for those who don't think so cmon...look what he has accomplished since.

PBDS is right he did not pace himself in that fight and he ran into a guy that was in super condition and was prepared to go thru hell too win. Very few fighters would have been able to pull off what Vince did...Vince took a lot of punishment that night and the fight was very close..

KT obviously studied this loss and figured out a way to be much more resourceful...KT's pressure combined with his patience has made him a very difficult fighter too beat. When it all comes down to it whoever thinks that they are going to beat KT will first have to rattle him and get him out of his wierd pressure/patience style...then when KT only has pressure left they will have to go thru hell and that is something guys like ZAB won't be able to deal with.

Roy was a ****head that night and was obviously pulling for the brotha!

.....I remember the phillips fight well and Zoo made crucial errors in his attack and he never tried to take a step back and compose himself while he was getting caught. He only knew one way to fight then and it got him in trouble. He takes his time much more now and waits for his opponent to make their mistake and then bam. He didn't fight like that with Phillips and he was far too reckless.

Maybe so, but that could be partly down to nature of his opponents since then too.

Zoo is a much better fighter now and for those who don't think so cmon...look what he has accomplished since.

PBDS is right he did not pace himself in that fight and he ran into a guy that was in super condition and was prepared to go thru hell too win. Very few fighters would have been able to pull off what Vince did...Vince took a lot of punishment that night and the fight was very close..

KT obviously studied this loss and figured out a way to be much more resourceful...KT's pressure combined with his patience has made him a very difficult fighter too beat. When it all comes down to it whoever thinks that they are going to beat KT will first have to rattle him and get him out of his wierd pressure/patience style...then when KT only has pressure left they will have to go thru hell and that is something guys like ZAB won't be able to deal with.

Roy was a ****head that night and was obviously pulling for the brotha!


cause the brotha was born in the same place as him lol if vince phillips was white roy still woulda been rooting for him

Neuraxis, you are ****ing ridiculous. This thread has nothing to do with Roy so don't go there. Anyway you look at it, you can't blame HBO for Roy saying something like that on live tv.

Roy was a ****head that night and was obviously pulling for the brotha!

Were you calling Emmanuel Steward a ****head for rooting and screaming in favor of James Toney blatantly in the 12th round of his fight with Jirov?

Neuraxis, you are ****ing ridiculous. This thread has nothing to do with Roy so don't go there. Anyway you look at it, you can't blame HBO for Roy saying something like that on live tv.



Were you calling Emmanuel Steward a ****head for rooting and screaming in favor of James Toney blatantly in the 12th round of his fight with Jirov?

You aren't going to get me to defend Steward. They are both horrible announcers.

Well at the very least I can say you hate them equally, which I guess is a small measure better than hating just one of them.

From the clips I've seen it looks like Phillips just bumrushed his ass and hurt him, over and over against the ropes and the ref had to stop it. I mean Tsyzu looked focked up, man.



That is exactly what happpened. Tsyzu learned lots from that fight. I would have liked to have seen a rematch.

I can understand both arguements. Tsyzu has improved with experience over the years since the loss to Philips but style wise hasn`t changed much. he still is the same fighter, i think he paces himself a bit better these days and he is able to get a second wind, unlike in the Philips fight when Philips just outhustled him in the closing rounds.
But style wise, Tsyzu is still the same fighter and this is why its a shame Philips and Tsyzu were never rematched while Vince was still cool!

i think he paces himself a bit better these days and he is able to get a second wind, unlike in the Philips fight when

This is true. Tszyu used to look for the early KO in every fight.
Early in his career there was talk around the boxing circles over here that past 5-6 rounds in sparring & fights, Tszyu's power dropped dramatically.
Tszyu lead 5-1 in rounds until the 6th with Phillips & if you watch the fight, he seriously slows after that point.
He also said in interviews that he was basically ignoring Phillips right hand - not even trying to avoid it. Some kind of bravado thing.

What happend was tszyu was undertrained and didn't fight smart, that's why he changed his whole training regimen and focus and he is far more mature now. so tszyu then and now is not comparable.
indeed he did...and if you guys don't know, with KTs re-dedication to the sport, he can now do more than 1000 (yes one thousand) push-ups and slap his hands in between each push-up.....

tell me this isn't impressive!?

Here's what happened to Tszyu against Phillips.

http://s16.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=33AIT7U6N151D3GB6KNCI32ZP0