You don't **** with him in the palace. **** artest. Ben will **** everyone on the Pacers up.

maybe in a fight but artest seems crazy so you never know.

My god Artest should be out the rest of the year that was insane.

artest should be gone for the year. the was crazy i have never seen anything like that. oneal and stephen jackson should also be thrown out for the rest of the year. did you see artest hit that fat dude and bald guy :eek: when they all get their lengthy suspensions pacers will be screwed.

I just read what happened on yahoo. Can somebody give a play-by-play on what happened?

I just read what happened on yahoo. Can somebody give a play-by-play on what happened?

Detroit and Indiana get into it on the court, but nothing really serious.

Artest is laying on the scorers table and a fan throws a beer on him, Artest runs into the stands and starts beating the **** out of the fan and Stephen Jackson starts swing on fans

they bring Artest back down to the court then he puched a fan in the face who was courtside, Jermaine O'niel punched the **** out of that fan too.

all hell breaks loose and the game is called in the 4th quarter with stuff being trown all over the court from fans.

just crazy

From what I saw,

Artest fouled Wallace. Wallace got whacked but it wasn't flagrant or anything. Wallace gets right on Artest grabs his head and pushes hard. Artest stumbles back a ways. A bit of a scuffle breaks out but is under control. Artest lies down on the announcers table. Lookin like he is trying to calm down.

A detroit fan throws a beer cup at Artest when Artest is lying DOWN. It hits him on the face. Artest gets up and runs at the fan. Artest gets grabbed by other fans. His teamates come to his defense. Jackson goes ape**** on every fan in sight. One Pacers player (couldn't see who) gets mauled from behind by a gigantic Detroit fan and gets punched several times.

Artest FINALLY is brought back to courtside. Here is where what I saw differs from what some of what ya'll are saying. There were two detroit fans ON THE COURT approaching Artest. Artest punches the nearest one and the other tackles him. Security breaks it up but O'neal manages to crack the guy who tackled him.

I have to agree with the ESPN commentators on this. Artest got hit in the face with a beer cup BEFORE he beat someone up. In my mind the fans are to blame.

Artest should be suspended. O'Neal and Jackson should BOTH be suspended too. They weren't looking to break up the fight, they were adding to it.

Did anyone see how Wallace tried to go after Artest when Artest when after the fan? Wallace's unnecessary reaction started the whole thing. He should be suspended too.

The Detroit fans oughta be arrested. ****in chaos all around. The behavior of the fans WAS pretty ****in disgraceful. Throwin **** at the players as they left. I see that sort of thing in hockey. Not usually b-ball.

Did anyone see how Wallace tried to go after Artest when Artest when after the fan? Wallace's unnecessary reaction started the whole thing. He should be suspended too.

Not true.

Wallace jumped up on the scorers table or some seats to see what was going on. he didn't go into the stands and didn't throw any punches.

There was one fat dude on the court. He should not of been there, but he did not appear to be "going after" any players.

One other thing. We never really see who threw the beer. There was no camera shot of it.

Totally insane. No question about it.

I guess my feeling is that the players are being paid millions of dollars to play a childs game and there is no excuse for them to go into the stands.

You can't call it self defense. it was a half full plastic cup and it hit him in the chest. That doesn't condone going into the stands and starting a riot.

Last week someone gets stabbed at the music awards, bengals and steelers going at it, now this crazy ****. Natives are restless. Never see this at the country music awards. What the hell is wrong with people? They all make more money in a year than most will see in a lifetime. Hell I'd be grinning like a possum eating **** if I was making 14 mill a year to play ball.

Last week someone gets stabbed at the music awards, bengals and steelers going at it, now this crazy ****. Natives are restless. Never see this at the country music awards. What the hell is wrong with people? They all make more money in a year than most will see in a lifetime. Hell I'd be grinning like a possum eating **** if I was making 14 mill a year to play ball.Bro, it just goes to show that money has nothing to do w/ it. At the end of the day, we all eat sh*t in some way, shape or form! Going back to the brawl. The fans that were directly or in any way involved, deserved every punch that was thrown their way! 2 wrongs don't make a right, and this world is also a 2 way street. Lets just wait and see before we make any rash judgements basing on what we saw tonight. I know it seems all clear cut but ya never know.

I'm embarassed to be a Pacers fan. Ron Artest should go to jail and both he and Jermaine O'Neal will be paying lawsuits.

I just saw the replay. O'Neal should be charged with assault too. That was not self - defense. He just threw a haymaker at a fan a foot and a half shorter than him - a running haymaker at that.

I can't be a fan of this team while those 2 guys are on it.

if it was black fans throwing beer, drinks, chairs, and punching white players in the face..the issue wouldnt even be the nba players..it would be the fans..the fans would have got mase-ed and put in jail for fines and jail time

Not true.

Wallace jumped up on the scorers table or some seats to see what was going on. he didn't go into the stands and didn't throw any punches.


No Wallace did not make it to the stands. His teamates held him back. But the speed and intensity with which he ran for them....didn't quite look like he was trying to investigate. I mean, he could have watched from where he was. Not like he isn't tall enough to see over the scorer's table.


There was one fat dude on the court. He should not of been there, but he did not appear to be "going after" any players.

Watch the video again. The guy was walking toward Artest. The guy who ended up tackling Artest is outside of the shot. But he IS there.



One other thing. We never really see who threw the beer. There was no camera shot of it.

Totally insane. No question about it.


It looks like the thrower shouted something too. I think Artest got the right guy.


I guess my feeling is that the players are being paid millions of dollars to play a childs game and there is no excuse for them to go into the stands.

You can't call it self defense. it was a half full plastic cup and it hit him in the chest. That doesn't condone going into the stands and starting a riot.

One person doesn't start a riot. It takes a group.

I just saw the replay. O'Neal should be charged with assault too. That was not self - defense. He just threw a haymaker at a fan a foot and a half shorter than him - a running haymaker at that.

I can't be a fan of this team while those 2 guys are on it.

Yeah that was ridiculous. The guy he hit tackled Artest after Artest hit that other fan but still.....

if it was black fans throwing beer, drinks, chairs, and punching white players in the face..the issue wouldnt even be the nba players..it would be the fans..the fans would have got mase-ed and put in jail for fines and jail time

:rolleyes: You must bump into a lot of walls with your head so far up your ass.


LuKahnLi, you and I are usually on the same page, but on this one you are wrong on all accounts. I've seen the film a half dozen times. Saying you think the guy who threw the cup shouted something is bs. There is no evidence of that. He may have gotten the right guy but there is NO evidence. That guy can sue the **** out of Artest and WIN.

I just read what happened on yahoo. Can somebody give a play-by-play on what happened?
A couple of fat white guys went to a roundball game in Detroit, now they will sue some negroe millionaires and work only when they feel like it. :D

NEW YORK, Nov. 20 -- NBA Commissioner David Stern issued the following statement today:

“The events at last night’s game were shocking, repulsive and inexcusable -- a humiliation for everyone associated with the NBA. This demonstrates why our players must not enter the stands whatever the provocation or poisonous behavior of people attending the games. Our investigation is ongoing and I expect it to be completed by tomorrow evening.

The NBA has taken the following actions, effective immediately:

1. Indiana players Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson and Jermaine O’Neal are suspended indefinitely, the length to be determined upon completion of the investigation.

2. Detroit player Ben Wallace is suspended indefinitely, the length to be determined upon completion of the investigation.

3. Review of rules and procedures relating to altercations and security have been undertaken so that fans can continue to attend our games unthreatened by events such as the ones that occurred last night.”

dont **** with jermaine oneal

http://epsilon.applepics.com/50/userfiles/419edb94c833f.gif

Total sucker punch against a guy half his size. Oneal's a *****

he maybe taller but i believe their weight is the same. it would be like lewis vs tua :D

You got the whole thing, Xecutioner?

the only place that i know of that has the whole thing is on espn.com. if you go there, its on the top right of the screen. click the link "melee friday". you have to DL that stupid espn.motion though.

I am gonna say my peace about this ****.

Ben Wallace may have over reacted to the hard foul by Artest, but the game was over with 47 seconds left and Artest whacked the **** out of him on a play that should not have mattered. You RARELY see Ben Wallace, one of the gentlemen of the sport, get angry over anything.

Even though a fan threw a beer at Artest, he still has no ****ing right to go into the crowd and start attacking a random fan. Artest didn't know who the **** hit him...he was just looking for a scapegoat like a *****. Hell, if I were an NBA player making 10 mil a year, you could heckle the **** out of me and throw beer at my ass whenever you wanted and I wouldn't do any of that.

Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson should be looking forward to nice fat lawsuits in the near future. They are both ****ing cowards and deserve to be taken to the cleaners.

The Detroit fans should not have thrown **** at the Pacers players...it was out of line. The Pistons have some of the best fans in the NBA and this was not representative of that.

In closing, I'd like to say that I wish that ANYONE on the Pacers would have stepped to Ben. Ben didn't do anything after the initial shove and clearly gained control of himself. I also would like to point out how you didn't see any Pistons players getting physical and throwing punches. Ben Wallace would ****ing kill any player in the NBA outside of Shaq and would have murdered Artest, O'Neals skinny ass, or that gay ass Chris Byrd look-a-like Jackson if that **** happened in the street. We must protect this house...don't **** with Ben.

Superbly said.

Superbly said.


I kind of agree with you guys and I also think that those fans are idiots for doing what they did. Do you guys think that Artest got the wrong guy? If he did then he is in serious trouble. I still don't think fans should get out of control like that and they need an ass whippin for doing that punk ass ****. It's like some puss boy hollering at your girl from his car and knowing you can't get to him. Those fans think they can talk whatever **** they want and throw stuff at the players with no repurcusions. If I was at a Buccaneers game or a Devil Rays game and someone nearby did that ****, I would probably ***** slap them right out of their seat. Heckle all you want but don't act like a frickin idiot. I was once at a Devil Rays day game with one of my buddies and some Yankee fans were being really obnoxious and talking all sorts of trash and saying **** the Rays, **** their fans, etc. etc. A guy next to us had his two kids with him and he and I were getting ready to turn around when this young dude(but a frickin monster) told the two Yankee fans that if they didn't STFU he was gonna toss em off the upper deck onto the field. We didn't hear another peep out of those two *****'s.

just saw a clip of it, i am digusted by this, these guys are paid to make millions, they should of been proffesional about this and not act childish and start fight with fans, who are responsible for them getting their money...........nah im just joking i dont give a F*** about them, but i was laughing when i saw artest this guy for real, he goes back like 10 feet when pushed, did you guys see him in the table while everyone was arguing? he had his hands behind his head just chilling smiling there HAHAHAHAHA i think that was funny :eek:

The guy who threw the cup was wrong. But if Artest and Jackson hadn't gone into the crowd the riot would have never happened.

No one likes Artest, he is a pansy ***** making gay records, and he shouldn;t be laying like a stupid pansy on the table like that, he definitely was asking for that ****. They should just boot him from NBA for a year, he is getting extra gay this year.

this is why the NBA went from my second favorite sport as a kid to not even on my radar as an adult. It ranks lower than Raymond reruns for me. I don't even watch the NBA anymore and I used to watch every game. Basketball has become a sportscenter moment with guys being in the "me" mode. It is unwatchable.

These guys have no class. Could you ever imagine Dr.J or Magic pulling this ****? emabarrassing for the league.

although I will admit I enjoyed seeing fat,drunk fan guy get cold****ed by O'Niel..that was funny.

The Pacers should know by now that Artest's being a liability far outweighs his being an asset.

Now Jermaine and Stephen who are not street bums are dragged into this thing.

I think the fans displayed a normal reaction. Who would want their man anyway to get maimed by a totally uncalled for flagrant foul?

I am awaiting David Stern's reaction with great interest.

[QUOTE=nelsoncm]The Pacers should know by now that Artest's being a liability far outweighs his being an asset.

Now Jermaine and Stephen who are not street bums are dragged into this thing.

I think the fans displayed a normal reaction. Who would want their man anyway to get maimed by a totally uncalled for flagrant foul? You can't be serious, throwing drinks at people is a normal reaction?

NEW YORK (AP) -- Ron Artest was suspended for the rest of the season Sunday as the NBA came down hard on three members of the Indiana Pacers for fighting with fans when a melee broke out at the end of a game against the Detroit Pistons.

Overall, nine players from the teams were banned for 143 games, including some of the harshest penalties the league ever issued. Artest is the first player to be suspended for nearly an entire season for a fight during a game.

Indiana's Stephen Jackson was suspended for 30 games and Jermaine O'Neal for 25. Detroit's Ben Wallace -- whose shove of Artest after a foul led to the 5-minute fracas -- drew a six-game ban, while Pacers guard Anthony Johnson got five games.

Four players were suspended for a game apiece: Indiana's Reggie Miller, and Detroit's Chauncey Billups, Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman.

All of the suspensions are without pay.

Artest, O'Neal and Jackson -- who all threw punches at fans in the stands or on the court at the end of the nationally televised Pacers-Pistons game Friday night -- began serving their suspensions Saturday. Indiana, limited to just six players because of the suspensions and injuries, dropped an 86-83 decision to Orlando.

NEW YORK (AP) -- Ron Artest was suspended for the rest of the season Sunday as the NBA came down hard on three members of the Indiana Pacers for fighting with fans when a melee broke out at the end of a game against the Detroit Pistons.

Overall, nine players from the teams were banned for 143 games, including some of the harshest penalties the league ever issued. Artest is the first player to be suspended for nearly an entire season for a fight during a game.

Indiana's Stephen Jackson was suspended for 30 games and Jermaine O'Neal for 25. Detroit's Ben Wallace -- whose shove of Artest after a foul led to the 5-minute fracas -- drew a six-game ban, while Pacers guard Anthony Johnson got five games.

Four players were suspended for a game apiece: Indiana's Reggie Miller, and Detroit's Chauncey Billups, Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman.

All of the suspensions are without pay.

Artest, O'Neal and Jackson -- who all threw punches at fans in the stands or on the court at the end of the nationally televised Pacers-Pistons game Friday night -- began serving their suspensions Saturday. Indiana, limited to just six players because of the suspensions and injuries, dropped an 86-83 decision to Orlando.


Yeah, serves them right. Especially Artest and Jackson. Can you believe they punched the fans !!??!!

NEW YORK (AP) -- Ron Artest was suspended for the rest of the season Sunday as the NBA came down hard on three members of the Indiana Pacers for fighting with fans when a melee broke out at the end of a game against the Detroit Pistons.

Overall, nine players from the teams were banned for 143 games, including some of the harshest penalties the league ever issued. Artest is the first player to be suspended for nearly an entire season for a fight during a game.

Indiana's Stephen Jackson was suspended for 30 games and Jermaine O'Neal for 25. Detroit's Ben Wallace -- whose shove of Artest after a foul led to the 5-minute fracas -- drew a six-game ban, while Pacers guard Anthony Johnson got five games.

Four players were suspended for a game apiece: Indiana's Reggie Miller, and Detroit's Chauncey Billups, Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman.

All of the suspensions are without pay.

Artest, O'Neal and Jackson -- who all threw punches at fans in the stands or on the court at the end of the nationally televised Pacers-Pistons game Friday night -- began serving their suspensions Saturday. Indiana, limited to just six players because of the suspensions and injuries, dropped an 86-83 decision to Orlando.


looks like artest is getting the time off he requested. :D

Without pay. That's the best part.

serves him right. He should be in the UFC and not the NBA

Without pay. That's the best part.
now he can record the album that no one is going to buy :eek:

now he can record the album that no one is going to buy :eek:

Finally got to send you good karma.

Finally got to send you good karma.
thanks im still on the 24 hour probation, but my karma and abdiels2k3 karma gives out 15,000 points together :eek: but i had spread it around so giving you some wont be a problem until i get out of the 24 hour thing :eek:

since when was a good streak of violence in a basketball game such a bad thing. I thought it was rather entertaining. I've been watching the pacers for a long time and i must say that ranks up there with the Knicks playoff games...also what do you expect when you provoke a bunch of guys who are already pissed off. If you were to throw **** at a guy who out weighs you by 100 pounds they're going to kick your ass, and rightly so. but i guess you also have to accept the consequenses as well. And what's with this message board so outraged, we're boxing fans, boxing has seen the worst brawls in sports history (next to soccer) without thinking twice

In the old days hockey had more/better fights than most boxing cards.

I am gonna say my peace about this ****.

Ben Wallace may have over reacted to the hard foul by Artest, but the game was over with 47 seconds left and Artest whacked the **** out of him on a play that should not have mattered. You RARELY see Ben Wallace, one of the gentlemen of the sport, get angry over anything.

Even though a fan threw a beer at Artest, he still has no ****ing right to go into the crowd and start attacking a random fan. Artest didn't know who the **** hit him...he was just looking for a scapegoat like a *****. Hell, if I were an NBA player making 10 mil a year, you could heckle the **** out of me and throw beer at my ass whenever you wanted and I wouldn't do any of that.

Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson should be looking forward to nice fat lawsuits in the near future. They are both ****ing cowards and deserve to be taken to the cleaners.

The Detroit fans should not have thrown **** at the Pacers players...it was out of line. The Pistons have some of the best fans in the NBA and this was not representative of that.

In closing, I'd like to say that I wish that ANYONE on the Pacers would have stepped to Ben. Ben didn't do anything after the initial shove and clearly gained control of himself. I also would like to point out how you didn't see any Pistons players getting physical and throwing punches. Ben Wallace would ****ing kill any player in the NBA outside of Shaq and would have murdered Artest, O'Neals skinny ass, or that gay ass Chris Byrd look-a-like Jackson if that **** happened in the street. We must protect this house...don't **** with Ben.





NBA Announces Suspensions From
Pistons-Pacers Game

NEW YORK, Nov. 21 -- The following suspensions were announced today by NBA Commissioner David Stern, resulting from the events during the Indiana Pacers at Detroit Pistons game on Nov. 19.

Pacers forward Ron Artest has been suspended for the remainder of the season.

Indiana guard Stephen Jackson has been suspended for 30 games.

Pacers forward Jermaine O’Neal has been suspended for 25 games.

Indiana guard Anthony Johnson has been suspended for five games.

Detroit forward/center Ben Wallace has been suspended for six games.

Pistons forwards Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman and guard Chauncey Billups have each been suspended for one game for leaving the bench during an on-court altercation.

Indiana guard Reggie Miller has been suspended for one game for leaving the bench during an on-court altercation.
In announcing today’s actions Commissioner David Stern issued the following statement:

“The penalties issued today deal only with one aspect of this incident – that of player misconduct. The actions of the players involved wildly exceeded the professionalism and self-control that should fairly be expected from NBA players. We must affirm that the NBA will strive to exemplify the best that can be offered by professional sports, and not allow our sport to be debased by what seem to be declining expectations for behavior of fans and athletes alike.

“There are other issues that the NBA must urgently focus on at this time. First, we must redefine the bounds of acceptable conduct for fans attending our games and resolve to permanently exclude those who overstep those bounds. Participants in and around the court must be assured complete protection from unacceptable fan behavior. Second, we must re-examine the adequacy of our current security procedures in Detroit and our other 28 arenas. The actions at Friday’s game, though unprecedented, must now be factored into all efforts to guarantee the well-being of our fans. Third, we must develop and implement new NBA rules to assure that the unavoidable confrontations likely to occur in the heat of competition are not allowed to escalate to the level we witnessed on Friday even prior to the egregious behavior by individuals in the stands.”

LET ME QUOTE A STATEMENT OF PISTONS COACH LARRY BROWN:

"I love fans to be involved & cheer, but to throw things, that's not what our fans are like. There is no place for that for anybody."

I THINK JUSTICE IS SERVED HERE. SOME DETROIT FANS SHOULD BEHAVE THE WAY FANS SHOULD BE. AND NOT BE LIKE AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO THIS LEAGUE! GRINGO, I HOPE YOU'RE NOT LIKE ONE OF THESE FANS. IF ONLY THEY BEHAVE WELL, WE COULD HAVE AVOIDED AN INCIDENT LIKE THIS. PEACE!

The Pacers should know by now that Artest's being a liability far outweighs his being an asset.

Now Jermaine and Stephen who are not street bums are dragged into this thing.

I think the fans displayed a normal reaction. Who would want their man anyway to get maimed by a totally uncalled for flagrant foul?

No, they didn't display a normal reaction and it wasn't normal to throw debris at the players just because you're upset over a situation! Gill (Pacers player) was fouled in the 2nd quarter, which i think should be flagrant and not called. This foul was even harder the way Wallace was fouled.

im sick of hearing about this brawl...ppl fight in hockey every ****ing night

im sick of hearing about this brawl...ppl fight in hockey every ****ing night

well, it's very usual in hockey, in basketball, it's quite different!