hi

this question come here probably very often, but i want to analyse both fighters in their prime years and say who would win the epic battle. please post your comments with explanation why they would win and the answer who would win this fight. this would be very interesting.

yours Caesar

Ok! Here goes. Prime for prime 67 Ali vs 88 Tyson in a twelve round fight!

I think the fight starts at a very fast pace, you can bet Tyson will have been seriously p####d off after no doubt enduring at least two months of taunting and public humiliation. Ali wouldn't have been able to ignore Tyson's lisp and would probably be impersonating Tyson on every talk show and news documentary known to man. If you thought Tyson was up for Spinks, hell he'd be in great shape for Ali.

Tyson skips right into range throwing bombs, Ali is very much on his toes dancing, ducking and diving with the sort of pace he had to use against Sonny Liston in 64, he'd be like a yoyo, here and there. Only Tyson closes the range faster than Liston and his punches are quicker, that said he would be missing a fair few as Ali pulled away but he'd give Ali the scariest four or five rounds ever. Ali would have never envisioned how quickly Tyson could close the range to land varieties of fast punches.

In the first few rounds both would have their successes, Ali with his jab and right uppercuts. Tyson particularly with the left hook and body punches whenever Ali slides along the ropes, that said we wouldn't see many 3 and 4 punch combinations from Tyson. Peak Ali would ship some punishment but he was too slippery to be hit with the combinations that Berbick and Spinks had to endure.

It would not suprise me to have Tyson slightly ahead by round 6 on aggression and the heavier blows landed, he may even have managed to knock Ali down....no doubt with a left hook! The middle rounds would surely have a drop in pace and would probably involve Tyson cutting the ring down while Ali jabs and moves. Ali would no doubt be showboating and Tyson would be sneering with rage as he did against Tucker and waving Ali in to stop dancing away. This would be Ali's territory although he'd find that Tyson would be slipping a fair few jabs and trying to counter with hooks. Tyson's rushes would still look good but I'd fancy he'd be shaded on overall workrate through rounds 6-9.

I'd think that rounds 10 and 11 would actually be fairly close fought affairs, the body punches would have caught up with Ali and he wouldn't be quite so mobile, his increasing attempts at clinching may well be met now and again with nasty right to the body, right to the head uppercuts by Tyson but Ali's weight and leaning will have taken the sprite out Tyson's legs and Ali's jab will have frustrated Tyson and possibly caused swelling of an eye.

I'd expect a fast paced final round from both after being given the riot act by their corners but I'd favour that Ali would find that something extra late to clinch a fairly close decision, possibly by one or two rounds.

thank you for your opinion, very well written

Cheers bud, I may be totally wrong though! Its the fun of fantasy fights.

Ugly fight. Clash of styles.

Ok! Here goes. Prime for prime 67 Ali vs 88 Tyson in a twelve round fight!

I think the fight starts at a very fast pace, you can bet Tyson will have been seriously p####d off after no doubt enduring at least two months of taunting and public humiliation. Ali wouldn't have been able to ignore Tyson's lisp and would probably be impersonating Tyson on every talk show and news documentary known to man. If you thought Tyson was up for Spinks, hell he'd be in great shape for Ali.

Tyson skips right into range throwing bombs, Ali is very much on his toes dancing, ducking and diving with the sort of pace he had to use against Sonny Liston in 64, he'd be like a yoyo, here and there. Only Tyson closes the range faster than Liston and his punches are quicker, that said he would be missing a fair few as Ali pulled away but he'd give Ali the scariest four or five rounds ever. Ali would have never envisioned how quickly Tyson could close the range to land varieties of fast punches.

In the first few rounds both would have their successes, Ali with his jab and right uppercuts. Tyson particularly with the left hook and body punches whenever Ali slides along the ropes, that said we wouldn't see many 3 and 4 punch combinations from Tyson. Peak Ali would ship some punishment but he was too slippery to be hit with the combinations that Berbick and Spinks had to endure.

It would not suprise me to have Tyson slightly ahead by round 6 on aggression and the heavier blows landed, he may even have managed to knock Ali down....no doubt with a left hook! The middle rounds would surely have a drop in pace and would probably involve Tyson cutting the ring down while Ali jabs and moves. Ali would no doubt be showboating and Tyson would be sneering with rage as he did against Tucker and waving Ali in to stop dancing away. This would be Ali's territory although he'd find that Tyson would be slipping a fair few jabs and trying to counter with hooks. Tyson's rushes would still look good but I'd fancy he'd be shaded on overall workrate through rounds 6-9.

I'd think that rounds 10 and 11 would actually be fairly close fought affairs, the body punches would have caught up with Ali and he wouldn't be quite so mobile, his increasing attempts at clinching may well be met now and again with nasty right to the body, right to the head uppercuts by Tyson but Ali's weight and leaning will have taken the sprite out Tyson's legs and Ali's jab will have frustrated Tyson and possibly caused swelling of an eye.

I'd expect a fast paced final round from both after being given the riot act by their corners but I'd favour that Ali would find that something extra late to clinch a fairly close decision, possibly by one or two rounds.

Good writeup and fairly objective stance.

That being said, I don't know if Tyson would be bringing it in the later rounds. He seemed to gas fairly easily. However, I'm not an expert on his fights, so maybe I'm wrong.

I can see him getting increasingly frustrated by not being able to find Ali while getting peppered with jabs and rights the whole fight.

Ali would certainly taunt him and let him know whose ring it is...even when he got caught (a la Frazier).

Ali would just dance around Tyson all night. Everytime Tyson would try to come in close he would hold him just like Buster Douglas did. I'm sure Tyson would be able to land some good shots but Ali would take them.

My pick: Ali by unanimous decision

Good writeup and fairly objective stance.

That being said, I don't know if Tyson would be bringing it in the later rounds. He seemed to gas fairly easily. However, I'm not an expert on his fights, so maybe I'm wrong.

I can see him getting increasingly frustrated by not being able to find Ali while getting peppered with jabs and rights the whole fight.

Ali would certainly taunt him and let him know whose ring it is...even when he got caught (a la Frazier).

thats probably right, because it was not usual for mike fighting more then 6-8 rounds

ali would school tyson.Tyson was brutal with his fast combinations but ali was the heavyweight dancin master,ali would have this fight won in build up to this fight,verbally attacking him,mocking tyson etc..Theres no way tyson could have dealt with it,he didnt have the mental capicty to hold it all together.ali wins rounds 5-6

Ok! Here goes. Prime for prime 67 Ali vs 88 Tyson in a twelve round fight!

I think the fight starts at a very fast pace, you can bet Tyson will have been seriously p####d off after no doubt enduring at least two months of taunting and public humiliation. Ali wouldn't have been able to ignore Tyson's lisp and would probably be impersonating Tyson on every talk show and news documentary known to man. If you thought Tyson was up for Spinks, hell he'd be in great shape for Ali.

Tyson skips right into range throwing bombs, Ali is very much on his toes dancing, ducking and diving with the sort of pace he had to use against Sonny Liston in 64, he'd be like a yoyo, here and there. Only Tyson closes the range faster than Liston and his punches are quicker, that said he would be missing a fair few as Ali pulled away but he'd give Ali the scariest four or five rounds ever. Ali would have never envisioned how quickly Tyson could close the range to land varieties of fast punches.

In the first few rounds both would have their successes, Ali with his jab and right uppercuts. Tyson particularly with the left hook and body punches whenever Ali slides along the ropes, that said we wouldn't see many 3 and 4 punch combinations from Tyson. Peak Ali would ship some punishment but he was too slippery to be hit with the combinations that Berbick and Spinks had to endure.

It would not suprise me to have Tyson slightly ahead by round 6 on aggression and the heavier blows landed, he may even have managed to knock Ali down....no doubt with a left hook! The middle rounds would surely have a drop in pace and would probably involve Tyson cutting the ring down while Ali jabs and moves. Ali would no doubt be showboating and Tyson would be sneering with rage as he did against Tucker and waving Ali in to stop dancing away. This would be Ali's territory although he'd find that Tyson would be slipping a fair few jabs and trying to counter with hooks. Tyson's rushes would still look good but I'd fancy he'd be shaded on overall workrate through rounds 6-9.

I'd think that rounds 10 and 11 would actually be fairly close fought affairs, the body punches would have caught up with Ali and he wouldn't be quite so mobile, his increasing attempts at clinching may well be met now and again with nasty right to the body, right to the head uppercuts by Tyson but Ali's weight and leaning will have taken the sprite out Tyson's legs and Ali's jab will have frustrated Tyson and possibly caused swelling of an eye.

I'd expect a fast paced final round from both after being given the riot act by their corners but I'd favour that Ali would find that something extra late to clinch a fairly close decision, possibly by one or two rounds.

I agree 100% with you.I couldn't have said it better myself.

I think Tyson is the one fighter who may have beaten a Prime 66/67 Ali.

The only thing I would add is that Ali would be tying Tyson up in the clinches,especially when Tyson had him on the ropes or in the corners.

I believe Tyson wins the 1st fight,and Ali the rematch and rubbermatch.All 3 fights are very close.

just SIM it on FNR4

Some nice comments folks.

As for fight night 4, Ali is given a higher rating, so a match up is not exactly fair.

soooo the winner is ...... Muhammad Ali

Muhammad Ali would give him a boxing lesson. Tyson is good for the first 1 or 2 rounds, then he gases and Ali would take over. UD Ali.

Do you think Tyson would be perfect for the rope-a-dope if it had never been done before? He did have stamina problems.

thats probably right, because it was not usual for mike fighting more then 6-8 rounds

Tyson usually gassed and decelarated after 6. Didn't matter in the few fights where he went the distance as he usually had a big lead on the cards anyway and his opponent usually was either ill inclined or in no condition to do anything the second half either which usually meant Tyson would pick up some late rounds on aggression alone.

Poet

Do you think Tyson would be perfect for the rope-a-dope if it had never been done before? He did have stamina problems.

Rope-a-dope is a bad tactic against Tyson (as it was against Frazier). I presume this is a prime vs. prime matchup so the rope-a-dope doesn't really come into play.

Poet

I agree with Poet on the issue of ropeadope, prime Ali just kept moving.

Now if 70s Ali tried it with Tyson.......big mistake, Tyson was too fast and accurate, I'm sure Ali wouldn't have pulled this off against prime Tyson. He'd have had to change tactics. When Ali tried going to the ropes against Norton in fight 2, Norton unloaded savage, fast, pin point combinations........the tactic didn't work with Kenny, I doubt it would with Tyson either.....Ali would have to clinch and move (as in Frazier 2).

Foreman was less accurate and he didn't really try the uppercut. Tyson is like Frazier plus speed, uppercuts and a right hand to add! I think Mike's uppercut would get between Alis blocked guard and cause him real trouble.

thank you all for your opinion to the topic, you are right, I like the forum with every day more

ali would school tyson.Tyson was brutal with his fast combinations but ali was the heavyweight dancin master,ali would have this fight won in build up to this fight,verbally attacking him,mocking tyson etc..Theres no way tyson could have dealt with it,he didnt have the mental capicty to hold it all together.ali wins rounds 5-6

When did Tyson ever lost a fight before it began? He never lost it in the ring in his prime, he got frustrated which holding by tucker and smith. But against Tillis he kept on and fought well. He had supreme confidence in his ability and would never have lost before stepping into the ring.

I'm not sure the fight would ever come off.Ali would really get under Tyson's skin after months of taunting and public humilation.Tyson may have gone spastic and even attacked Ali on several occasions.

When did Tyson ever lost a fight before it began? He never lost it in the ring in his prime, he got frustrated which holding by tucker and smith. But against Tillis he kept on and fought well. He had supreme confidence in his ability and would never have lost before stepping into the ring.

i don't think so, he was really easy to provoke i think, he would came out of his rhythm and lose

i don't think so, he was really easy to provoke i think, he would came out of his rhythm and lose

ok, give me an example of a prime tyson being provoked before a fight and hence lost his game plan and rhythm.

I know I've analyzed this fantasy fight before on here, but God help me I love this one! Tyson comes on too strong and too fast for Ali to fight from the outside. Tyson scores a couple of knockdowns in the first 5 rounds but Ali doesn't stay down. After the fifth round Tyson begins to get sloppy and Ali gets into his rhythm and takes the fight to him, making him miss and landing solid shots. Ali finally knocks down Tyson for good around 11 or 12.

ok, give me an example of a prime tyson being provoked before a fight and hence lost his game plan and rhythm.

Don't ever really remember anyone trying to be honest, pretty sure Ali would though. I wouldn't count against Ali getting under his skin I don't think Tyson would take to people laughing at him to well.
So if he then got all fired up and came out firing bombs and didn't get any early success? Be interesting.
Personally I think this is a bad match up for Tyson and don't feel that Ali needs to mind **** Tyson to take this.

I know I've analyzed this fantasy fight before on here, but God help me I love this one! Tyson comes on too strong and too fast for Ali to fight from the outside. Tyson scores a couple of knockdowns in the first 5 rounds but Ali doesn't stay down. After the fifth round Tyson begins to get sloppy and Ali gets into his rhythm and takes the fight to him, making him miss and landing solid shots. Ali finally knocks down Tyson for good around 11 or 12.

A couple of knockdowns? With a prime Ali?

I don't know. Only two people knocked down a young, undeveloped Ali (Banks and Cooper). Only one man knocked down a post-prime Ali, and had to do so with one of the most viscious left hooks in history (Frazier). So, I have a very hard time believing a prime '66-67 would get knocked down more than once by Tyson.

Am I off here or does that sound reasonable?

I think Ali would win.

I remember my grandfather told me how everyone told Ali he would be crushed by Foreman because of his power; oh how wrong they were.

ok, give me an example of a prime tyson being provoked before a fight and hence lost his game plan and rhythm.

nobody has provoke him at this time, but latly with evender holyfield you saw how mad tyson was

Has nobody ever heard of a search function? This is without question the most played out so called "dream match" in history.It's the same robotic predictions every time,"Ali gets under his skin and stops him late","No one beats a prime tyson,Tyson early ko".Go to google search and type mike tyson muhammad ali.There are threads out there far more detailed in depth than this one will ever produce

Who wins between the two? I'd say Ali in his prime beats Tyson today and Tyson in his prime beats Ali of today.Happy?

nobody has provoke him at this time, but latly with evender holyfield you saw how mad tyson was

Ok so there is nothing in that case to suggest Tyson would be beaten during the fight. The holyfield situation is extremley different, it was a re-match and it was frustration due to the constant headbutts (according to Tyson) it was also during the fight not before.

IRON MIKEEEEE TYSONNNN !!!!!!!

MIKE TYSON BY KO srry ali even ali admitted it in an interview lol

IRON MIKEEEEE TYSONNNN !!!!!!!

MIKE TYSON BY KO srry ali even ali admitted it in an interview lol

cool he admits he'd lose to a fighter he never fought? it means nothing.

cool he admits he'd lose to a fighter he never fought? it means nothing.

And George Foreman once said he could never beat Ross Purrity.....Anbody buy THAT one? Fighters say a lot of sh1t and you can rarely take it seriously.

Poet

Ali, Tyson and Ray Leonard met on an American talk show and the host asked Ali who would win between him and Tyson if they had met. A long retired Ali suffering from Parkinsons graciously said that Tyson would win. I doubt he'd genuinely have thought that.

No doubt, if the talk show had happened ten years previously and Ali had been met with the same question the answer would have been different. He'd have started dancing all over the stage........ 'I'm too fast, hes got no class, he may have a punch but I'll eat him for lunch'!!!!

Ali, Tyson and Ray Leonard met on an American talk show and the host asked Ali who would win between him and Tyson if they had met. A long retired Ali suffering from Parkinsons graciously said that Tyson would win. I doubt he'd genuinely have thought that.

No doubt, if the talk show had happened ten years previously and Ali had been met with the same question the answer would have been different. He'd have started dancing all over the stage........ 'I'm too fast, hes got no class, he may have a punch but I'll eat him for lunch'!!!!

Yeah,that was on the Arseno Hall show.

Ali was being gracious,just like he was about Marciano.

But after saying Tyson would knock him out several times,and Tyson being gracious in return saying"NO WAY could I knock out Muhammad Ali,he took harder punches from men who hit harder than I did.Then he named the fighters....Liston,Forman,and Shavers.So both were being polite and gracious to each other.But then Ali said:that's if he could catch me!

Then they had the audience decide who would win between the two fighters.Tyson got a good applause,and then Ali got a louder applause and chants of Ali,Ali,Ali!

Behind the scenes without camera's Ali spoke in a reverent tone of voice about Jack Johnson,Jack Dempsey,and Joe Louis.No doubt if he would have fought them for real he would be calling them bumb's etc. etc.

Nice post Boxing buff, thats absolutely the one I remember!