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marvelous_TG 02-25-2005, 02:14 PM how do you thinks boxers would do in a streetfight? i mean guys like kostya tszyu who is alight short guy but hits like a ton of bricks. Floyd mayweather seems to be a great streetfighter although he's short and light. do you think weight is important in a streetfight or are skills more important?
puppy_dogg 02-25-2005, 02:16 PM street fights usualy end up at really close range and on the ground with wrestling more than punching. so the bigger the better.
marvelous_TG 02-25-2005, 02:19 PM that's true but how do you think guys like kostya, mayweather would do in streetfights, do you think they could beat a average heavyweight guy?
street fights usualy end up at really close range and on the ground with wrestling more than punching. so the bigger the better.
Speaking of Street Fights my friend is in the Israeli Army and he said the stuff they learned is called Krav Maga(Something like that forgive the mispelling). My friend is into martial arts and he said by far this stuff is much better suited for the streets than any other form.. Have you guys ever heard of Krav Maga?
marvelous_TG 02-25-2005, 02:22 PM Speaking of Street Fights my friend is in the Israeli Army and he said the stuff they learned is called Krav Maga(Something like that forgive the mispelling). My friend is into martial arts and he said by far this stuff is much better suited for the streets than any other form.. Have you guys ever heard of Krav Maga?
yes and it is used by the israelian army, but it has a lot to do with how to dispose a guy with a gun or knife. but i don't think these things work in a streetfight.
puppy_dogg 02-25-2005, 02:26 PM that's true but how do you think guys like kostya, mayweather would do in streetfights, do you think they could beat a average heavyweight guy?
they could easily hurt a guy much bigger than them. thats the thing, alot of non fight fans just dont understand how hard these proffesional fighters hit(even the ones that are'nt considered big hitters). the reason those guys in the ring can take world class punches is because they have world class punch resistance. a regular person off the street would be severly hurt by a power punch from a proffesional, especialy someone like tszyu. kostya and floyd could probably take a guy much bigger than them with ease, floyd's to fast for anyone to touch anyway :D
Crouching Tiger 02-25-2005, 02:33 PM Tommy Morrison actually did well against Balboa in their street brawl. :D
m00ks 02-25-2005, 02:34 PM how do you thinks boxers would do in a streetfight? i mean guys like kostya tszyu who is alight short guy but hits like a ton of bricks. Floyd mayweather seems to be a great streetfighter although he's short and light. do you think weight is important in a streetfight or are skills more important?
These guys aren't called proffessional fighters for nothing. It;s true that most street brawl end up in grappling and wrestling to the ground, I have no doubt in my mind that these guys can catch anybody coming in for any type of tackle. All they need is to get you within range and lights out. No contest, boxers would own in streetfights.
AintGottaClue 02-25-2005, 02:37 PM i bet john ruiz could kick some ass
jack_the_rippuh 02-25-2005, 02:37 PM Yeah gloves off just about any boxer could severely break his hand on the head of an average person..
BrooklynBomber 02-25-2005, 02:38 PM The fight usually ends up on a floor or in close range because both of the guys dont know how to fight and try to sort of wrestle their way to win. I fought couple of greeco-roman wrestlers in my time and even they tend to start fight swinging and than when they get tired start wrestling. By the way the best for street fights is combination of boxing and than any mlitary style wrestking or martial art. I used to take SAMBO.
Slipx 02-25-2005, 02:50 PM a boxer would have an advantage in a streetfight if like 4-5 people were trying to beat a contender down,without weapons
no fight ive ever been in ended up on the ground, and im 6 ft 4,i guess i have the advantage on the ground ,but id rather stand and fight. then again ive been in less than 20 streetfights,so im not that experienced as others are
1 thing i do know is that if a boxer were to get crowded and the guys were wearing shirts/jackets it's the boxers advantage,shirt toss,box,shirt toss,box rather than have to deal with them all at the same time.only time i ever did this is when 7-8 guys crowded my friend for stealing a playstation 2, like 3-4 years ago, and the guys trying to beat his ass were my friends too(lived in my neighborhood),so I didnt wanna punch them..so i utilized the shirt tosses and it worked very well,when a guy would try to double or triple up on my buddy id just grab their shirts/collars and throw em, .if it's a bunch of guys without shirts i think it's safe to say you have a large problem on your hands ;)
Slipx 02-25-2005, 02:51 PM Yeah gloves off just about any boxer could severely break his hand on the head of an average person..
gotta land on the face/chin/nose
Slipx 02-25-2005, 02:52 PM i bet john ruiz could kick some ass
oh, no doubt about it, a 1v1 fight ruiz would **** most normal people up in a few seconds.but if ruiz were to get crowded by 5-6 guys,he doesnt have the speed or agility to knock guys down in a split second like say,roy jones or hamed would,although he has the strength to control the crowd via shirt tosses
m00ks 02-25-2005, 02:53 PM a boxer would have an advantage in a streetfight if like 4-5 people were trying to beat a contender down,without weapons
no fight ive ever been in ended up on the ground, and im 6 ft 4,i guess i have the advantage on the ground ,but id rather stand and fight. then again ive been in less than 20 streetfights,so im not that experienced as others are
1 thing i do know is that if a boxer were to get crowded and the guys were wearing shirts/jackets it's the boxers advantage,shirt toss,box,shirt toss,box rather than have to deal with them all at the same time.only time i ever did this is when 7-8 guys crowded my friend for stealing a playstation 2, like 3-4 years ago, and the guys trying to beat his ass were my friends too(lived in my neighborhood),so I didnt wanna punch them..so i utilized the shirt tosses and it worked very well,when a guy would try to double or triple up on my buddy id just grab their shirts/collars and throw em, .if it's a bunch of guys without shirts i think it's safe to say you have a large problem on your hands ;)
hahah when you're 6'4 shirttosing is easy!
marvelous_TG 02-25-2005, 03:04 PM oh, no doubt about it, a 1v1 fight ruiz would **** most normal people up in a few seconds.but if ruiz were to get crowded by 5-6 guys,he doesnt have the speed or agility to knock guys down in a split second like say,roy jones or hamed would,although he has the strength to control the crowd via shirt tosses
do you think hamed who is 5'5 and 126 pounds would do good in a streetfight? bernard said he was in 100 streetfights, that's a lot i think bernard must be quite the streetfighter.
puppy_dogg 02-25-2005, 03:05 PM hahah when you're 6'4 shirttosing is easy!
lol, yeah it is. nice technique slipx. shirt tossing :D
puppy_dogg 02-25-2005, 03:07 PM do you think hamed who is 5'5 and 126 pounds would do good in a streetfight? bernard said he was in 100 streetfights, that's a lot i think bernard must be quite the streetfighter.
yeah, being from philly and being in prison all the time, bernard is probably a beast on the streets
Slipx 02-25-2005, 03:08 PM do you think hamed who is 5'5 and 126 pounds would do good in a streetfight? bernard said he was in 100 streetfights, that's a lot i think bernard must be quite the streetfighter.
the thing about hamed is,barefisted his leaping right hands and leaping punches in general will knock u the **** out in like one shot, and he's quick enough to come in and KO 1 or 2 guys in the first five seconds of combat,plus he can take a punch,even if they crowd him and some guys hit him he'll still be swinging,unlike roy jones,would imo would get punked by 9-10 normal people
george foreman would be the best guy for that type of situation,a prime or even an old george foreman could go up against 14-15 normal people just throwing haymaker hooks,maybe a few straight right hands,knocking em out with each shot,and had the chin to sustain punches while delivering his own
the only problem with this kind of mentality is that it never ever happens like this
if 9-10 guys are after you ,1 of em has some kind of weapon,flashlight,whatever the **** they can get.especially after they see how much of a badass you are dropping their friends with 1 punch and etc,im sure they'll find an 'equalizer'
marvelous_TG 02-25-2005, 03:36 PM imagine a suckerpunch from tyson or foreman hehehe
who here has fought some streetfights and how did it go?
imagine a suckerpunch from tyson or foreman hehehe
who here has fought some streetfights and how did it go?
In my younger days I got into a couple with all different ethnicities here in NY!! I can honestly say that the biggest punks were the Puerto Rican kids.. They are always loud and talked a big game but never backed their **** up.. They were tough in groups of people that's it.. Italians, Mexican, and black kids were tough as nails!
Slipx 02-25-2005, 04:05 PM ever seen someone get a smiley?
ClydeErwinBarretto 02-25-2005, 04:16 PM Speaking of Street Fights my friend is in the Israeli Army and he said the stuff they learned is called Krav Maga(Something like that forgive the mispelling). My friend is into martial arts and he said by far this stuff is much better suited for the streets than any other form.. Have you guys ever heard of Krav Maga?
Hello, yes I've heard of Krav Maga and it's pretty much almost all of the same things I've learned in the Judo, Jujitsu, self-defense classes that I've been in. My friend who's in the US Army who just got promoted to head of hand-to-hand combat (in less than a year) told me it's pretty much the same things they learn and do in the Army. I think it's just that every cultural ethnicity wants to have some sort of "martial art" to calle their own. But it's pretty true...a lot of cultures had at least one form of self-defense they used ages ago.
Truth 02-25-2005, 04:17 PM When Tyson was a kid got into tons of street fights, Tyson's boxing style is perfect for street fighting.
ClydeErwinBarretto 02-25-2005, 04:20 PM Tyson when he way a kid got into tons of street fights, Tyson's boxing style is perfect for street fighting.
Only problem with Tyson are his weak wrists and knuckles. Didn't he injure them one time in a bar fight?
What's everyone think about HOPKINS in a street fight? Did some time and is from the streets of PHILLY. I mean look how dirty he fights...but I hey I guess staying alive is a bad habit...
marvelous_TG 02-25-2005, 04:27 PM Only problem with Tyson are his weak wrists and knuckles. Didn't he injure them one time in a bar fight?
What's everyone think about HOPKINS in a street fight? Did some time and is from the streets of PHILLY. I mean look how dirty he fights...but I hey I guess staying alive is a bad habit...
yeah he broke his wrist in a streetfight against mitch green.
Truth 02-25-2005, 04:27 PM Only problem with Tyson are his weak wrists and knuckles. Didn't he injure them one time in a bar fight?
What's everyone think about HOPKINS in a street fight? Did some time and is from the streets of PHILLY. I mean look how dirty he fights...but I hey I guess staying alive is a bad habit...
I read in article on Hopkins that said he used to extort other kids in his high school and beat them up if they messed with him.
Tszyu has done a lot of wrestling which would help. Most top boxers would try to avoid them though.
I read that Tszyu has had only 2 street fights, both in Russia. He didn't start either, and both had a total of 2 punches thrown.
marvelous_TG 02-25-2005, 05:01 PM Tszyu has done a lot of wrestling which would help. Most top boxers would try to avoid them though.
I read that Tszyu has had only 2 street fights, both in Russia. He didn't start either, and both had a total of 2 punches thrown.
With tszyu being the winner?
m00ks 02-25-2005, 05:09 PM Only problem with Tyson are his weak wrists and knuckles. Didn't he injure them one time in a bar fight?
What's everyone think about HOPKINS in a street fight? Did some time and is from the streets of PHILLY. I mean look how dirty he fights...but I hey I guess staying alive is a bad habit...
Not too long ago, he said he knocked out a big guy prolly 6'5 200 sum'nm pounds, with a 6 inch left hook.
LuKahnLi 02-25-2005, 05:12 PM Boxers can handle themselves better in a streetfight than most other martial artists probably.
Actually if you have a good command of pressure points and or sweet spots for punching and kicking, (most boxers do) you should be able to handle yourself.
With tszyu being the winner?
Yep. Both guys missed with the first punch.
Slipx 02-25-2005, 07:52 PM Boxers can handle themselves better in a streetfight than most other martial artists probably.
Actually if you have a good command of pressure points and or sweet spots for punching and kicking, (most boxers do) you should be able to handle yourself.
yeah, the only spot i'd aim for is the neck. ever been punched in the neck? thats true pain.
PessimisticPug 02-25-2005, 08:07 PM this is my take on streetfights. I have been in few, after all whats to be gained if your not getting paid for it.
The people on here say that it would end up on the ground. That is common for people who dont know how to box. But a common person vs a professional fighter is most likely going to be a mismatch. The common man runs straight for you, swinging wide hooks (or slaps) with his head held straight in the air. An experienced boxer just sticks a jab in there face, steps to either side and the guy has run right past them. The common man does not know what to do with lateral movement, it ties them up in knots, leaving them exposed to what ever the experienced fighter wants to dig into them. Ofcourse anything can happen in a fight but thats what I experienced. Lateral movement and fast combinations with some thing behind them, not slaps and swats. no contest.....Rockin'
PessimisticPug 02-25-2005, 08:08 PM :439: I hit it twice, my apologies.... I think....Rockin'
Keleneki 02-25-2005, 08:18 PM Didn't Bernard Hopkins knock out some 400 plus pound guy who lunged at him a few weeks before the fight with De La Hoya? I thought I saw in an interview where he didn't really want to talk about it but mentioned that it was a 6 inch left hook. He stated that he was fortunate that he didn't get hurt when the guy fell on him after he was KO'ed.
Slipx 02-25-2005, 08:23 PM He stated that he was fortunate that he didn't get hurt when the guy fell on him after he was KO'ed.
lol well today ill skip my ab routine, got a workout laughing at this
BrooklynBomber 02-25-2005, 10:03 PM this is my take on streetfights. I have been in few, after all whats to be gained if your not getting paid for it.
The people on here say that it would end up on the ground. That is common for people who dont know how to box. But a common person vs a professional fighter is most likely going to be a mismatch. The common man runs straight for you, swinging wide hooks (or slaps) with his head held straight in the air. An experienced boxer just sticks a jab in there face, steps to either side and the guy has run right past them. The common man does not know what to do with lateral movement, it ties them up in knots, leaving them exposed to what ever the experienced fighter wants to dig into them. Ofcourse anything can happen in a fight but thats what I experienced. Lateral movement and fast combinations with some thing behind them, not slaps and swats. no contest.....Rockin'
You summed it up pretty well. Fight ends up on a ground because both contestants dont know how to fight.
Boxers usually just move out of average person's way and punch from distance. Also sidesteps is what let me beat the wrestlers when I fought them. Boxers biggest advantages in a fight are, besides knowing how to punch, stamina, ability to block punches or slip them and of course the ability to keep it cool.
Lucky466 02-25-2005, 11:20 PM You summed it up pretty well. Fight ends up on a ground because both contestants dont know how to fight.
Boxers usually just move out of average person's way and punch from distance. Also sidesteps is what let me beat the wrestlers when I fought them. Boxers biggest advantages in a fight are, besides knowing how to punch, stamina, ability to block punches or slip them and of course the ability to keep it cool.
i am just an amateur fighter and the last time i fought guy i hit him once with a right hand and then he fell down right there and that was the whole fight. if some amateur can do that imagine what world class boxer could do.
Atwa_66 02-25-2005, 11:39 PM I got into a fight tonight actually, haha good thing the thread was brought back. I was at a friends house playing poker and just hanging out and some kid came, he was about 6'3 170 I guess, pretty big kid. And he started talking all this **** to everyone, so i told him to stfu. The kid jumped on me and I pushed him off and threw a right to his head and dropped him and it was done. But the kid just wanted more, he started talking again, so I grabbed him and rammed him into a wooden wall and then he grabbed my hoodie and pulled it over my face. I threw like 5 wild punches that all landed to his right eye, and the kid starts crying and apologizing. His eye swelled like crazy, and it turned black in about 3 hours. That was my first fight in awhile outside of boxing, pretty funny too. Everyone there was stunned, since the kid is obviously bigger than me.
Tha Greatest 02-26-2005, 12:46 AM sounds good atwa 66
i never got into a street fight since boxing
but i only wonder how bad will the guy be knocked out and how quick
xrhythmxnxbluesx 02-26-2005, 12:52 AM boxers if they can hit the guy before gettin hit then its their fight... but i think mma guys could fight in a street fight since its already like a street fight in the ring...
Dynamite76 02-26-2005, 02:13 AM Mitch Green (before Tyson) and Iran Barkely would definitely kick some ass.
I skipped a page so I dont know if this has already been posted, Bruce Lee once said that if someone does 1 year of boxing and 1 year of wrestling they could probably beat most pure style martial artists out there and probably win a most streetfights...
elveiel 02-26-2005, 04:39 AM Street fighting far too easy for a good boxer, most street fights are against a wanna be thug who throws wild shots.
You've just gotta take a step back, see an opening and them take them out with a heavy shot(under the chins my favourite)
A fighter like Tszyu could kick most people's ass.
marvelous_TG 02-26-2005, 06:20 AM Street fighting far too easy for a good boxer, most street fights are against a wanna be thug who throws wild shots.
You've just gotta take a step back, see an opening and them take them out with a heavy shot(under the chins my favourite)
A fighter like Tszyu could kick most people's ass.
i read a while back you where in some good streetfights can you tell us one or two of your own experiences?
czars_salad 02-26-2005, 06:28 AM streetfighters give me the impression that they use power more often than brains, correct me if i'm wrong.. :confused:
marvelous_TG 02-26-2005, 06:40 AM streetfighters give me the impression that they use power more often than brains, correct me if i'm wrong.. :confused:
yeah because most people panic in a streetfight and just start throwing punches as hard as they can.
pinaldino 02-26-2005, 06:40 AM let's not forget boxers enter the ring mentally/physically prepared and ready to go at it. if u get in trouble on a street, it can go so quick that it's only about who lands the 1st shot. And bare hands is totally different from gloves u break hands very quick. most effective weapons are elbows and knees rather than punches. I think a real big/though agressive and crazy guy could take any fighter with a bit a luck..a boxer can't block a kick to the groin or such stuff
pinaldino 02-26-2005, 06:47 AM I skipped a page so I dont know if this has already been posted, Bruce Lee once said that if someone does 1 year of boxing and 1 year of wrestling they could probably beat most pure style martial artists out there and probably win a most streetfights...
I respect Bruce lee but he was more a stylist and an actor rather than a true fighter so all this is pure theory. I think if u really wanna know whats effective, watch MMA fights (which I don't especially appreciate it's often real ugly) a great grappler/jiu-jitsu expert with ability to slip punches will prevail, along with quick/big punches and kicks. Boxers are dangerous but limited in a streetfight. and the mental ability to unload at full power outside of the ring, well maybe everybody don't have it. I guess some boxers could be gunshy the first few seconds and get KO by a big crazy guy
czars_salad 02-26-2005, 06:55 AM I respect Bruce lee but he was more a stylist and an actor rather than a true fighter so all this is pure theory. I think if u really wanna know whats effective, watch MMA fights (which I don't especially appreciate it's often real ugly) a great grappler/jiu-jitsu expert with ability to slip punches will prevail, along with quick/big punches and kicks. Boxers are dangerous but limited in a streetfight. and the mental ability to unload at full power outside of the ring, well maybe everybody don't have it. I guess some boxers could be gunshy the first few seconds and get KO by a big crazy guy
gunshy? now that's funny :D
elveiel 02-26-2005, 09:47 AM i read a while back you where in some good streetfights can you tell us one or two of your own experiences?
I was in some a few years ago, to be honest there isnt much to tell. Like i said i just pick my shot and take them out, it helps when your pretty big too. :D
I'll save my storys for another day.
common , tell us about the fight when i KOed your tea drinking ass , dont be shy.
did the dentist put your teeth back , btw ?
more seriously , i m a former national amateur boxer , and honestly the fw fights i have been in i just landed a combo and the guys were knocked down or looking at me with a scared look .
most peôple dont know how to fight , and even more dont know you can put punches together.
i fought in muay thai too but i would only use low kicks and knees in a fight , kicks are way too risky IMO .
bigdlb12 02-26-2005, 11:17 AM If I had beef with a world class fighter on the street, I dont think I would fight him. Unless it was a guy from 135lbs and lower
Kid Achilles 02-26-2005, 11:24 AM He probably did. Boxers hit extremely hard compared to an untrained person, even boxers like Hopkins who aren't known as huge punchers.
Slipx 02-26-2005, 11:32 AM If I had beef with a world class fighter on the street, I dont think I would fight him. Unless it was a guy from 135lbs and lower
trust me, you wouldnt want to **** with hamed or kevin kelley on the street.believe me.
All I know is. Fighting RJJ on the street would be an absoulute nightmare. He has size, speed, power, and intelligence. Imagine him slipping punches and hitting you with blind shots. Damn.
ClydeErwinBarretto 02-26-2005, 02:58 PM Boxers can handle themselves better in a streetfight than most other martial artists probably.
Actually if you have a good command of pressure points and or sweet spots for punching and kicking, (most boxers do) you should be able to handle yourself.
Tell me one time a pure boxer has won a fight in a full contact match (UFC, PRIDE, etc). There was one or times I've seen it happen...well, I actually saw it once never saw the other. In the earlier UFC matches where there were no rounds nor were there gloves...the boxers were getting hammered left and right.
Of course these people were not elite boxers nor were their competitors. It'd still be the same now considering all the full contact fighters are no longer just karate or jujitsu or kick boxing practitioners and they work out full-time.
So if we get a mediocre boxer against a mediocre martial artist in the street the result will probably be the same as they were in the first series of UFC tournaments.
ClydeErwinBarretto 02-26-2005, 03:09 PM I respect Bruce lee but he was more a stylist and an actor rather than a true fighter so all this is pure theory. I think if u really wanna know whats effective, watch MMA fights (which I don't especially appreciate it's often real ugly) a great grappler/jiu-jitsu expert with ability to slip punches will prevail, along with quick/big punches and kicks. Boxers are dangerous but limited in a streetfight. and the mental ability to unload at full power outside of the ring, well maybe everybody don't have it. I guess some boxers could be gunshy the first few seconds and get KO by a big crazy guy
But don't forget that these "theories" are almost all practiced now in MMA schools...believe me, I've been to three and there were pictures of BRUCE LEE all over each of the schools. I mean to say in the 70s to put wrestling & boxing together was pretty silly. Each school sort of kept to their own thing rather than thinking about other styles and schools.
As for crazy people...I fear them more than bigger trained guys I've fought. You can never really predict what they're going to do.
Slipx 02-26-2005, 03:58 PM This is the thing about MMA:
a trained MMA that knows how to grapple /strike and do takedowns well should kick a boxers ass if he's any good,(shamrock vs vitali,prime shamrock would own him on the street)
but
a boxer has a better chance of taking out a crowd of 10-15 normal people while the mma guy's grappling and takedowns would mean dick here,and his lack of striking would be exposed and he'd get punked
any day the boxer is the better choice, more money in professional ranks, and more useful outside the ring.
Tha Greatest 02-26-2005, 04:22 PM If I had beef with a world class fighter on the street, I dont think I would fight him. Unless it was a guy from 135lbs and lower
what if it was a manny pacquiao, rafael marquez, or roberto durn
czars_salad 02-26-2005, 08:37 PM what if it was a manny pacquiao, rafael marquez, or roberto durn
you can't win on these guys.... unless you weigh 175lbs and an experienced boxer, probably :boxing:
you can't win on these guys.... unless you weigh 175lbs and an experienced boxer, probably :boxing:
Or me, I win... just the way it is :boxing: :D
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