Glenn Johnson had a great year beating Roy Jones Jr. and Antonio Tarver. Does he belong on the P4P list? If so what number do you have him ranked? :boxing:

he's a good, solid fighter, but I wouldn't put him on that list right now, just an opinion.

Personal feelings aside (I don't like Tarver), if Johnson belongs in the list, shouldn't Tarver also? I mean it was a close fight, wasn't it. So I wouldn't put Johnson a few step away from Tarver, maybe just one above, within 20. :confused:

Hell no, this guy sucks.

sure he does. Maybe in the 12-15 range with Tarver a spot or two behind him. he has beaten two quality guys in the past year

he has beaten two quality guys in the past year

Did you see Roy in that fight? He was a shadow of his former self. Tarver was only ever on the p4p list for beating that same old Roy Jones.

Let me put it bluntly for yall. Glen Johnson and Antonio Tarver are both good fighters who beat an old fighter who used to be great but isn't anymore. Neither one of them ever belonged on the top 10 p4p list, if you like to believe in such a list.

There are at least 15 fighters more killed p4p than these guys. They are good fighters, B- to B+ level, but I can rap off some names right now that are better or as good on a p4p scale.

Bernard Hopkins
Tito Trinidad
Kostya Tsyzu
Floyd Mayweather
Miguel Cotto
Winky Wright
Zab Judah
Oscar De La Hoya
Cory Spinks
Rafael Marquez
Jose Luis Castillo
Juan Lazcano
manny Pacquiao
Marco Antonio Barrera
Kassim Ouma
Antonio Margarito
Zahir Raheem

Did you see Roy in that fight? He was a shadow of his former self. Tarver was only ever on the p4p list for beating that same old Roy Jones.

Let me put it bluntly for yall. Glen Johnson and Antonio Tarver are both good fighters who beat an old fighter who used to be great but isn't anymore. Neither one of them ever belonged on the top 10 p4p list, if you like to believe in such a list.

There are at least 15 fighters more killed p4p than these guys. They are good fighters, B- to B+ level, but I can rap off some names right now that are better or as good on a p4p scale.

Bernard Hopkins
Tito Trinidad
Kostya Tsyzu
Floyd Mayweather
Miguel Cotto
Winky Wright
Zab Judah
Oscar De La Hoya
Cory Spinks
Rafael Marquez
Jose Luis Castillo
Juan Lazcano
manny Pacquiao
Marco Antonio Barrera
Kassim Ouma
Antonio Margarito
Zahir Raheem

I agree with you about Johnson, but to put Trinidad above both KT and PBF is just nuthugging. I also notice that you have Cotto in the top 5. Obvious you are PR and you don't have any respect for the sport of boxing, because if you did, you would be realistic and not patriotic.

why is coto on yr list?

I agree with you about Johnson, but to put Trinidad above both KT and PBF is just nuthugging

lol...dude, I'm not a Tito fan. That list isn't in descending order, it's just a ramble from my mind. If I put it from 1 to 10 Tito would be near the bottom.

lol...dude, I'm not a Tito fan. That list isn't in descending order, it's just a ramble from my mind. If I put it from 1 to 10 Tito would be near the bottom.

why is coto on the list?

lol...dude, I'm not a Tito fan. That list isn't in descending order, it's just a ramble from my mind. If I put it from 1 to 10 Tito would be near the bottom.

You had me worried there for a second. How do you think they should be in order? Top 5 will do.

Sturm, I was just naming fighters I think are as good or better than Johnson and Tarver. Here is my top 5 p4p if forced to do it.

1) Bernard Hopkins
1a) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3) Kostya Tsyzu
4) Zab Judah
5) Manny Pacquiao

It was hard for me to pick numbers 4 and 5. I also considered Winky Wright, Jose Luis Castillo, and Diego Corrales.

Yes he does.He earned it the hard way by beating the top2 Lt.Heavyweight in a 3month span :eek:

No he doesn't. Johnson is a tough fighter, but nothing special. If someone wanted to say that they thought Tarver won that fight you cant argue with them thats how close it was.

Johnson is 11-20 range.

No he doesn't. Johnson is a tough fighter, but nothing special. If someone wanted to say that they thought Tarver won that fight you cant argue with them thats how close it was.

Johnson is 11-20 range.


a win is a win,get over it.
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a win is a win,get over it.
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How a fighter gets that win is more important than just having that W on your record. If Johnson had gone out and dominated there would be no discusion, but he didn't most people think Tarver won that fight and it was close.

what glen lacks in talent he makes up for in hard work. the guy is in my top 15

Did you see Roy in that fight? He was a shadow of his former self. Tarver was only ever on the p4p list for beating that same old Roy Jones.

Let me put it bluntly for yall. Glen Johnson and Antonio Tarver are both good fighters who beat an old fighter who used to be great but isn't anymore. Neither one of them ever belonged on the top 10 p4p list, if you like to believe in such a list.

There are at least 15 fighters more killed p4p than these guys. They are good fighters, B- to B+ level, but I can rap off some names right now that are better or as good on a p4p scale.

Bernard Hopkins
Tito Trinidad
Kostya Tsyzu
Floyd Mayweather
Miguel Cotto
Winky Wright
Zab Judah
Oscar De La Hoya
Cory Spinks
Rafael Marquez
Jose Luis Castillo
Juan Lazcano
manny Pacquiao
Marco Antonio Barrera
Kassim Ouma
Antonio Margarito
Zahir Raheem


Why Diego Corrales is not on that list, I will NEVER know.

Sturm, I was just naming fighters I think are as good or better than Johnson and Tarver. Here is my top 5 p4p if forced to do it.

1) Bernard Hopkins
1a) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3) Kostya Tsyzu
4) Zab Judah
5) Manny Pacquiao

It was hard for me to pick numbers 4 and 5. I also considered Winky Wright, Jose Luis Castillo, and Diego Corrales.

Judah and Pacman top 5 p4p you must be joking, Have you forgot about DLH, i've lost count the number of world titles he's won at different weights.
My top 5 p4p:

1) Bernard Hopkins
2) DLH
3) Floyd Mayweather
4) Kostya Tszyu
5) Erik Morales

no i don't think he belongs on the p4p list, although he did great in 2004, i don't believe he belongs in the list. i mean
hopkins,barrera,morales,tszyu,mayweather,pacqiaou, marquez,JMM,
wright. and i also think tarver never belongd in the p4p list.
i have johnson at 13 behing trinidad and tarver at 14 behind johnson.

BTW can you believe thomas hearns said in a recent interview he believed tyson was still p4p the best fighter.

Why Diego Corrales is not on that list, I will NEVER know.

Yall need to pay attention. I already said that the list was just off the top of my head. I wasn't putting absolutely every single name I thought was as good or better p4p than Johnson and Tarver, just some. Corrales would be on that list as well. Duh.

As for you having DLH number 2 p4p, whoever it was that said that...you're joking right? DLH is my favorite fighter out there aside from Roy who is semi-retired, but I wouldn't put him in the top 5. Judah beat Spinks who beat Mayorga and he KO'd Spinks, something Mayorga could not do. Judah also did this coming up from 140 to fight a guy who was bigger tham him.

Pac stopped one of the greatest fighters in recent memory in Barrera and he would have had the win over Marquez if not for an admitted scoring error made by a judge in that fight.

I feel they deserve to be where I put them. If you are going to attack my argument, do it with something better than having DLH in the top 3.

Yall need to pay attention. I already said that the list was just off the top of my head. I wasn't putting absolutely every single name I thought was as good or better p4p than Johnson and Tarver, just some. Corrales would be on that list as well. Duh.

As for you having DLH number 2 p4p, whoever it was that said that...you're joking right? DLH is my favorite fighter out there aside from Roy who is semi-retired, but I wouldn't put him in the top 5. Judah beat Spinks who beat Mayorga and he KO'd Spinks, something Mayorga could not do. Judah also did this coming up from 140 to fight a guy who was bigger tham him.

Pac stopped one of the greatest fighters in recent memory in Barrera and he would have had the win over Marquez if not for an admitted scoring error made by a judge in that fight.

I feel they deserve to be where I put them. If you are going to attack my argument, do it with something better than having DLH in the top 3.

You put Judah in because he moved up one weight division and beat spinks at the second time of asking.
compare that to DLH who has won world titles at Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Light Welterweight, Welterweight, Light Middleweight and Middleweight.

That's why DLH is top 3 p4p.

If you are talking last 10 years p4p maybe, but we are talking currently. Dlh hasn't done enough in recent years to be top 3 p4p, ask anyone here, man. Hardly anyone will agree with you unless they are blinded by DLH's "charm". lol

DLH beat Mosley in the rematch in my opinion, by a wide margin, however he hasn't been very active, certainly not qas much as Judah, and that win vs Mosley was a LONG time ago. Since then he drew or lost to Sturm in most people's eyes and he lost to Hopkins. Whether you give him credit for fighting bigger guys or not (which I do) you can't move him to top 3 p4p just based on him losing to bigger guys.

Dlh does not belong in the top 3.

I must agree that Oscar doesn`t belong in the top 3, top 12 at a push though. I don`t think Zab Judah is that special just cos he beat Cory Spinks, he is too chinny as Tsyzu proved. Eric Morales was beat by Barrera so don`t rank Morales above Barrera! Why not rank Klitscko in the top five!

He should definitley be in the top 10 pound not only did he beat the great Roy Jones but he the guy who dethroned the king in Tarver. What year he had.

I think P4P is bull**** most of the time, its someone's opinion and most of the time its bias to their nationality.

If Tarver got a P4P place for beating Jones then Johnson should definitley get one for whipping them both.

Johnson's always going to be a limited fighter but he's roughed it out and should be on the list. I just dont expect him to stay there long.

Glenn Johnson had a great year beating Roy Jones Jr. and Antonio Tarver. Does he belong on the P4P list? If so what number do you have him ranked? :boxing:

Glen Johnson beat a shot Roy Jones, Jr. and he also beat a guy who KO'ed a shot RJJ, so that doesn't prove much as far as I'm concerned. He needs to prove his legitimacy even further to deserve a P4P ranking.

Glen Johnson beat a shot Roy Jones, Jr. and he also beat a guy who KO'ed a shot RJJ, so that doesn't prove much as far as I'm concerned. He needs to prove his legitimacy even further to deserve a P4P ranking.


Yeah,when Glen beats Hopkins later this year,I guess Hopkins being shot will be the reason for it.And yet another bias reason for Johnson haters to keep him out of there p4p list,LMAO!

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He should definitley be in the top 10 pound not only did he beat the great Roy Jones but he the guy who dethroned the king in Tarver. What year he had.Tarver lost only cause boxing fans let their hate get the best of them, and beating a Roy Jones in a coma shouldnt put you on a much respected Pound for Pound list. I think he should give Tarver a rematch.

Yeah,when Glen beats Hopkins later this year,I guess Hopkins being shot will be the reason for it.And yet another bias reason for Johnson haters to keep him out of there p4p list,LMAO!

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A controversial win against Tarver during Jones-Tarver 1 followed by two consecutive KO losses is why I'm calling Roy Jones, Jr. shot, if not washed up. This was not the same Jones who dominated the P4P rankings in his prime. That's why I think Johnson doesn't deserve a P4P ranking just yet. He needs to prove his worth against on-form highly ranked competition. Even Tarver admitted that it was probably time for Jones to hang up his gloves.