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Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 10:30 PM
Anyone on here who's watching the fights?

jakkups
08-09-2009, 10:33 PM
That first round of Garcia/Massouh was great. After that it was pretty sucky. Good to see Bad Boy get back to winning ways.

Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 10:35 PM
First televised fight:
Leonard Garcia vs. Jameel Massouh
Round 1
Massouh goes after Garcia’s lead leg with a low kick. Massouh is connecting with the leg at a decent frequency until he switches and goes to the body. Garcia unloads with a right hand that catches Massouh cleanly. Massouh crumbles, but survives. Garcia tries to swarm with punches and Massouh clears the cobwebs. Massouh gets to his feet and trips Garcia to the canvas. Massouh punches the body from half guard. Now back in guard, Massouh rakes the face with elbows. Left for dead a minute earlier, Massouh ends the round in control.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Garcia
Lotfi Sariahmed scores the round 10-9 Garcia
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Garcia

Round 2
Massouh looks for a single and he’s caught in a guillotine. Massouh frees his neck and elbows the head from the top in his opponent’s guard. Massouh passes to half guard and looks to clear his isolated foot. From half guard, Massouh locks on a brabo choke. Garcia flattens out and then stands, but he’s caught in the hold. Garica drops to his knees and Massouh lets him go. Now back on their feet, Massouh knees the body and controls from the inside.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Massouh
Lotfi Sariahmed scores the round 10-9 Massouh
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Massouh

Round 3
Garcia has a head-kick attempt blocked. Massouh cracks Garcia in the body with a kick. Garcia attempts a “Superman” punch and Massouh again goes to the body with a hard kick. A “Superman” punch connects clean for Massouh. Garcia applies pressure with a strong flurry, but nothing lands flush. Massouh has taken over this fight. He punches and knees the body from the clinch. Massouh jabs effectively while Garcia swings for the fences. Massouh is blocking everything.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Massouh (29-28 Massouh)
Lotfi Sariahmed scores the round 10-9 Garcia (29-28 Garcia)
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Massouh (29-28 Massouh)

Official scores:
Lester Griffith 29-28 Garcia
Tony Weeks 29-28 Massough
Dave Hagen 29-28 Garcia

Leonard Garcia takes the split decision.

Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 10:36 PM
Next up Takeya Mizugaki vs. Jeff Curran

Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 10:55 PM
Damn, Curran was close with that choke at the end. I think Mizugaki takes it on the scorecards.

jakkups
08-09-2009, 10:57 PM
How did Mizugaki survive that choke? ****er has some heart and then some. I'll go with Mizugaki 2 rounds to 1.

Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 11:00 PM
Takeya Mizugaki vs. Jeff Curran
Round 1
Curran catches a Mizugaki low kick and works for a single-leg. Mizugaki hops to the fence and defends the takedown while balancing on his free foot. Curran switches to a double and Mizugaki responds by elbowing the kidneys. Mizugaki gets off the fence and lands a knee to the head from the clinch. Mizugaki trips Curran to the floor. Mizugaki tees off with elbows to the head from Curran’s closed guard. Curran goes for a fast armbar and the scramble is on. Mizugaki is swept and Curran ends up briefly on his back with a single-low hook. Mizugaki turns into his opponent and secures the top position before the bell.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Mizugaki
Lotfi Sariahmed scores the round 10-9 Curran
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Mizugaki

Round 2
Curran lands a right hook to start round two. Mizugaki connects with a right hand after eating a head kick. Curran drops levels and is stuffed before he can shoot. Mizagaki trips Curran to the canvas. Mizugaki is scoring with clean punches from the guard. Curran is showing an offensive guard, but Mizugaki is one step ahead. Curran misses on a triangle and sinks in an arm-in guillotine. Curran closes his guard, but it running out of time.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Mizugaki
Lotfi Sariahmed scores the round 10-9 Mizugaki
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Mizugaki

Round 3
A wild punching exchange starts the final stanza. Nothing connects. Curran clinches with his opponent, but is turned against the fence. Mizugaki easily trips Curran to the canvas and begins to work from the top in guard. Curran kicks the midsection from his back, but Mizugaki is smothering him with tight positioning. Curran locks on a triangle, and it’s deep. He transitions to the arm and Mizugaki turns over. Curran lands some bombs from the top and then goes back to the arm. The round ends with Mizugaki in danger.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Curran (29-28 Mizugaki)
Lotfi Sariahmed scores the round 10-9 Curran (29-28 Curran)
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Curran (29-28 Mizugaki)
..........

Phenomkidd
08-09-2009, 11:00 PM
Holy **** Mizugaki. I wanna see Mizugaki-Torres II.

Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 11:02 PM
How did Mizugaki survive that choke? ****er has some heart and then some. I'll go with Mizugaki 2 rounds to 1.
Yeah that was some crazy ****. It reminds my of the first time a Japanese friend showed me some taped fights from Japan. ****ers were getting brutally arm barred and refusing to tap. Guys were crawling, seemingly incoherently, on the ground and getting soccer kicked. The **** blew my mind at the time.

Moon
08-09-2009, 11:02 PM
That first round of Garcia/Massouh was great. After that it was pretty sucky. Good to see Bad Boy get back to winning ways.


Are you watching Versus, or do you have a link?

Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 11:07 PM
Are you watching Versus, or do you have a link?
PM sent. Anyone else, feel free to PM or post requests here.

Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 11:14 PM
155 lbers up next:
Ricardo Lamas (6-0) vs. Danny Castillo (7-1)

Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 11:26 PM
What a shot! Great fight.

Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 11:28 PM
Ricardo Lamas vs. Danny Castillo
Round 1
Castillo lands a right hand. Minutes pass before another clean strike is landed. Lamas slips a jab in. Lamas gets in a low kick. Castillo misses a straight right to the body by a foot. Castillo turns it up with a body, head combination. Lamas goes to the lead leg of Castillo with a low kick. From the clinch, Castillo connects with Lamas’ body with a knee. Lamas grazes a left hook off the head of Castillo. Lamas lands two hard low kicks before the round ends.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Lamas
Lotfi Sariahmed scores the round 10-9 Castillo
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Lamas

Round 2
Castillo starts the round with a snapping low kick. Lamas drops levels for a single, and is stuffed. Lamas connects with a stiff jab. A low kick from Castillo is checked clean. Lamas lands a right hand and beautifully defends a bulrush-single leg. Both fighters are moving well on their feet, but Lamas has better lateral movement. The advanatage is allowing him to land the cleaner strikes through eight minutes in the cage. The fighters exchange punches with their feet planted and both score. Castillo steps forward in the pocket with a right-hand lead that lands. Castillo rocks Lamas’ world with a counter-right hand. Lamas crumbles and Castillo swarms. Punches from the top rain down and referee Herb Dean steps in to save Lamas.
..........

jakkups
08-09-2009, 11:33 PM
Good fight. Lazy defence be Lamas, left himself wide open for that, you could see it coming a mile off. Though it was funny cos Lamas looked like he was trying to run and climb out of the cage.

Eric Holder
08-09-2009, 11:36 PM
good entertaining fights so far

Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 11:37 PM
Good fight. Lazy defence be Lamas, left himself wide open for that, you could see it coming a mile off. Though it was funny cos Lamas looked like he was trying to run and climb out of the cage.
Yeah man, Castillo started to land his hands and I thought the end may be soon. He landed a really solid body shot just a bit before the big shot that ended it.

Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 11:39 PM
Next fight 135 pounders:
Joseph Benavidez (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Joseph-Benavidez-15008) 10-0 (6 subs, 2KOs) vs. Dominick Cruz (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Dominick-Cruz-12107) 13-1 (incl. 5 KOs, 1 sub)

jakkups
08-09-2009, 11:45 PM
This is some sucky striking. Both guys are just looking for one big one. If one of them starts throwing some combos they could make the other rush in and catch them with a short one inside and end the night. The ground work is great though. These guys grapple like their on speed.

Lucky Charms
08-09-2009, 11:47 PM
Jakkups, how do you guys watch the WEC in the UK?

jakkups
08-09-2009, 11:48 PM
Jakkups, how do you guys watch the WEC in the UK?

Sopcast or TVU bro.

Nodogoshi
08-09-2009, 11:50 PM
**** I need a stream. Anyone?

jakkups
08-10-2009, 12:01 AM
The was a fun scrap. Not the best on the feet but fun because both guys had little defence so anything they threw was landing more often than not. Cruz was all over him on the ground though with those long limbs of his but Joe was a slippery MF.

jakkups
08-10-2009, 12:03 AM
Here we go guys!

HotSizzle
08-10-2009, 12:15 AM
this should be good :boxing:

Bigdaddy_Vh
08-10-2009, 12:15 AM
war Miguel!!!!

Eric Holder
08-10-2009, 12:22 AM
wow I didn't expect Torres to lose

jakkups
08-10-2009, 12:23 AM
Bowles went all psycho on Miguel there. Vicious finish.

HotSizzle
08-10-2009, 12:23 AM
wow didnt expect that

jakkups
08-10-2009, 12:24 AM
wow I didn't expect Torres to lose

I could've seen a scenario where Miguel could lose, but I didn't expect him to lose like that.

Eric Holder
08-10-2009, 12:28 AM
Bowles went all psycho on Miguel there. Vicious finish.

Bowles really went at Miguel, never seen him fight before I was pretty impressed

jakkups
08-10-2009, 12:31 AM
Bowles really went at Miguel, never seen him fight before I was pretty impressed

I knew he had power but if I saw him winning (which I'll admit I didn't) it would've been by submission. He channeled his inner Wanderlei Silva and went all serial killer on Torres.

Nodogoshi
08-10-2009, 12:36 AM
Crazy finish.

Legendary Hater
08-10-2009, 12:40 AM
No disrespect to anyone...but if you guys followed MMA more in depth...you would have known that Bowles had Champion qualities, and Torres was ripe for the picking (i.e. Torres is a little battle worn and believing his own hype)...

I've seen Bowles take out 2 other tough guys basically the same way he took out Torres...and that is by believing in himself and his abilities, keeping his composure under attack, and delivering game changing/ending blows...

Nodogoshi
08-10-2009, 12:44 AM
No disrespect to anyone...but if you guys followed MMA more in depth...you would have known that Bowles had Champion qualities, and Torres was ripe for the picking (i.e. Torres is a little battle worn and believing his own hype)...

I've seen Bowles take out 2 other tough guys basically the same way he took out Torres...and that is by believing in himself and his abilities, keeping his composure under attack, and delivering game changing/ending blows...
Nice hindsight.

StillUnknown
08-10-2009, 12:47 AM
Mir sounded like he had tears in his eyes describing the replay of the finish


that just about made my night

jakkups
08-10-2009, 12:48 AM
No disrespect to anyone...but if you guys followed MMA more in depth...you would have known that Bowles had Champion qualities, and Torres was ripe for the picking (i.e. Torres is a little battle worn and believing his own hype)...

I've seen Bowles take out 2 other tough guys basically the same way he took out Torres...and that is by believing in himself and his abilities, keeping his composure under attack, and delivering game changing/ending blows...

Knowone said he didn't have championship qualities. I'll admit I didn't think he would win by KO, or win this fight for that matter. I honestly believed his best shot was via submission. But with the way Torres ran in he was asking for a big counter. He should've known better because he got wobbled earlier on in the fight. Bowle's only KO's have come against Nutt who was making his debut and Galvao who Page took out in 18 seconds. I wouldn't call either of them tough guys at all. Torre's has had almost 50 fights and takes punishment in each one so it was bound to catch up with him against a fresher fighter with less career damage and well rounded skills like Bowles.

Phenomkidd
08-10-2009, 01:00 AM
**** man, I could tell Torres hasn't faced a power like that by the way he was responding. Damn, the streak is over. I'm calling a quick rematch due to Torres' previous reign as champ.

Legendary Hater
08-10-2009, 01:01 AM
Nice hindsight.

lol..."nice hindsight" because I didn't post it beforehand...that's cool....you can say that...

but some of you guys DO need to up your MMA knowledge and prediction skills though...that's right here and now, and with 20/20 vision as well...

Tell ya what though...if you guys start steppin' it up, maybe I'll start posting my pre-fight thoughts around here...hip you to what's really goin' on...help you make some dough if you gamble...


Knowone said he didn't have championship qualities. I'll admit I didn't think he would win by KO, or win this fight for that matter. I honestly believed his best shot was via submission. But with the way Torres ran in he was asking for a big counter. He should've known better because he got wobbled earlier on in the fight. Bowle's only KO's have come against Nutt who was making his debut and Galvao who Page took out in 18 seconds. I wouldn't call either of them tough guys at all. Torre's has had almost 50 fights and takes punishment in each one so it was bound to catch up with him against a fresher fighter with less career damage and well rounded skills like Bowles.

They were tough guys as in they were goin' after him...unafraid...like Torres....he's what you would call a "tough guy"....

You know some MMA though...

Phenomkidd
08-10-2009, 01:02 AM
You posted after the fight happened...

Legendary Hater
08-10-2009, 01:05 AM
You posted after the fight happened...

lol....yeah...I stated that above, kidd...that's because I don't frequent this place...

jakkups
08-10-2009, 01:07 AM
They were tough guys as in they were goin' after him...unafraid...like Torres....he's what you would call a "tough guy"....

You know some MMA though...

Your definition of "tough" differs from mine. When I say tough I mean from an all round perspective of skills, not just by coming forward and seeking out a win through aggression and offence alone. Fighting doesn't rely on that by itself. A chessmaster who can think 5 moves ahead of his opponent is a tough guy too, just in a different way.

That aside, I say they give him Mizugaki or try get Ueda over from Shooto.

Phenomkidd
08-10-2009, 01:08 AM
lol....yeah...I stated that above, kidd...that's because I don't frequent this place...

...But thats what hindsight bias is lol.

Legendary Hater
08-10-2009, 01:14 AM
...But thats what hindsight bias is lol.

and that's why I told that other guy he could say "nice hindsight"...lol...you need to read that post again...

The problem in this particular situation...is that I'm always calling fights right....how are you supposed to know that and believe me?

You don't, and you don't have to...

Just prove yourselves to me, and maybe I'll bless this place with some hot picks....

Some of you got a long way to go...saying Forrest would be competitive with Silva or beat him...lol

Phenomkidd
08-10-2009, 01:19 AM
Lol my bad I thought you were being sarcastic as if you were claiming it wasn't. I've never heard your other picks but I don't think suggestising who to pick would be a blessing lol.

Nodogoshi
08-10-2009, 01:52 AM
lol..."nice hindsight" because I didn't post it beforehand...that's cool....you can say that...

but some of you guys DO need to up your MMA knowledge and prediction skills though...that's right here and now, and with 20/20 vision as well...

Tell ya what though...if you guys start steppin' it up, maybe I'll start posting my pre-fight thoughts around here...hip you to what's really goin' on...help you make some dough if you gamble...

I didn't have any picks on the fight. I hardly watch the WEC because I don't have a t.v.

I'm just saying that it's easy to come on here after the fight and say you knew who was going to win.

If you say you had Bowles all the way though, I believe you. Torres looked sloppy and I wasn't surprised by the KO, after the fight had worn on.

F l i c k e r
08-10-2009, 03:25 AM
what you talkin about Organik? That's how Torres fights all the time.

He finally faught a dude huge for a bantamweight and got KTFO. Torres wasn't p4p ****. Just picking on smaller dudes. Faught a big dude, and got KTFO.

jakkups
08-10-2009, 08:53 AM
what you talkin about Organik? That's how Torres fights all the time.

He finally faught a dude huge for a bantamweight and got KTFO. Torres wasn't p4p ****. Just picking on smaller dudes. Faught a big dude, and got KTFO.

LOL with your size arguments again. That fight wasn't about size, it was about skills and power. Bowles had it, Torres couldn't handle it. Torres spent the majority of his early career fighting guys at 170 to 180 when he only weighed in at 120. And when 2 guys fight, they weigh in at exactly the same weight, so your argument that he picks on smaller guys is null and void.

F l i c k e r
08-10-2009, 07:00 PM
LOL with your size arguments again. That fight wasn't about size, it was about skills and power. Bowles had it, Torres couldn't handle it. Torres spent the majority of his early career fighting guys at 170 to 180 when he only weighed in at 120. And when 2 guys fight, they weigh in at exactly the same weight, so your argument that he picks on smaller guys is null and void.

Do you have evidence of this? I would like to see. If not then your statement is null and void.

Also, wasn't Torres supposed to be p4p? Meaning he had skills to beat guys in larger divisions. Why did he lose to a guy who isn't p4p then, since that fight was about skills?

jakkups
08-10-2009, 08:54 PM
Do you have evidence of this? I would like to see. If not then your statement is null and void.

http://www.ugo.com/sports/ufc-90-interviews/?cur=miguel-torres-interview

Watch the interview.


Also, wasn't Torres supposed to be p4p? Meaning he had skills to beat guys in larger divisions. Why did he lose to a guy who isn't p4p then, since that fight was about skills?

Upset's happen all the time. Brian's a tough guy with great grappling and power in his hands and Miguel underestimated this. He went for it when he had already tasted Brian's power early on in the round and paid the price. P4P fighter's get beat fighters who aren't P4P dude, you act like it should never happen. GSP got beat by Matt Serra, Matt Hughes got beat by BJ Penn when Hughes was P4P #1, Shogun got beat by Forrest and so on. For every great established fighter out there, a one is lurking round the corner who is gonna beat them, it happens. Torres has almost 50 fights, and been fighting for 10 years which takes its toll with the style he has. Last night he came up against a guy who was focused and clinical that matched him in every area. The x-factor was the power he had in his hands. He landed flush and didn't hesitate to finish the fight. All it means is a new face has made his mark atop the division. This doesn't mean Torres skills were overrated. I mean was GSP overrated because he got smashed by Serra. . .no, he came back and solidified his place at the top. Now it's Torres's turn to do the same.

phallus
08-10-2009, 10:45 PM
all those idiots saying it was a mismatch and that bowles wasn't ready for a title shot must have motivated bowles to kick torres ass