let me explain my logic:

tommy's to greatest assets to his game are 1: his beautiful jab, and 2: his right hand.
Bhop has a way of neutralizing weopons such as these,

now let me remind you of a fight, tommy has only fought 1 guy in his carrer that fights SOMEWHAT like Bhop, and that wilfredo benetez.

the fight between benitez and hearns was very exciting, both men knocked each other down, and tomy just slightly edged out a UD, but benitez made a tactical era, he was moveing to HIS left, which is right into to tommy's right hand, but it was still a close fight.

now Bhop would have seen this, and know enough to move to his right, plus bhop has much better power and defence then benitez, and he is much bigger, tommy wouldent have much of a hieght advantage on Bhop,

and tommy does not posses the type of handspeed needed to reall troble bernard. and Bhop is the bigger man, and could exacute his plan better then benitez.

i think Bhop by KO

let me explain my logic:

tommy's to greatest assets to his game are 1: his beautiful jab, and 2: his right hand.
Bhop has a way of neutralizing weopons such as these,

now let me remind you of a fight, tommy has only fought 1 guy in his carrer that fights SOMEWHAT like Bhop, and that wilfredo benetez.

the fight between benitez and hearns was very exciting, both men knocked each other down, and tomy just slightly edged out a UD, but benitez made a tactical era, he was moveing to HIS left, which is right into to tommy's right hand, but it was still a close fight.

now Bhop would have seen this, and know enough to move to his right, plus bhop has much better power and defence then benitez, and he is much bigger, tommy wouldent have much of a hieght advantage on Bhop,

and tommy does not posses the type of handspeed needed to reall troble bernard. and Bhop is the bigger man, and could exacute his plan better then benitez.

i think Bhop by KO

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the only fighter BHop ever fought with faster hands than hearns is RJJ. tommy has some of the fastest hands in history. benitez' defence is better than hopkins too btw. and im a huge hopkins fan. hearns made benitez move to the left by hooking of his jab and stepping to the left himself. it wasnt a choice from benitez.

u really should watch more boxing cuz u dont know what the hell u are talking about. prime hopkins could beat hearns, but not thru the style he has today (which u compare to benitez). he would have to be like hagler, take away the jab, cut the distance and go to the body. although he would have to break hearns down and beat him down the stretch.

theres no way he outboxes hearns.

leonard x2, benitez and hill all tried and failed.

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the only fighter BHop ever fought with faster hands than hearns is RJJ. tommy has some of the fastest hands in history. benitez' defence is better than hopkins too btw. and im a huge hopkins fan. hearns made benitez move to the left by hooking of his jab and stepping to the left himself. it wasnt a choice from benitez.

u really should watch more boxing cuz u dont know what the hell u are talking about. prime hopkins could beat hearns, but not thru the style he has today (which u compare to benitez). he would have to be like hagler, take away the jab, cut the distance and go to the body. although he would have to break hearns down and beat him down the stretch.

theres no way he outboxes hearns.

leonard x2, benitez and hill all tried and failed.

WTF, i already knew hate was comin' lol
IMO tommy wouldent be able to land the jab or the right, i think Bhop has better Defence, and he's naturally larger and hits harder then benitez, plus he has the skills to adjust, if benitez almost won, it was close, then i think Bhop could do it, and i DID mention a PRIME Bhop (read title:rofl:)

I agree with the original poster. Hopkins is just too big for Tommy.

I agree with the original poster. Hopkins is just too big for Tommy.

:wtf: Wtf are you talkin about?? Tommy is 6'1, perhaps even 6'2. He has a bigger body than ****in' Hopkins and a bigger reach!

:wtf: Wtf are you talkin about?? Tommy is 6'1, perhaps even 6'2. He has a bigger body than ****in' Hopkins and a bigger reach!

hopkins is 6'1, hearns has the advantage in reach, thats about it.

hopkins is 6'1, hearns has the advantage in reach, thats about it.

Don't forget the power advantage.;)

Bhop could decision Hearns, but no way he stops him.

Don't forget the power advantage.;)

matthew saad muhammad is the ****!!!! lol, i love that guy, was the LHW Gatti.

and im aware of the power advantage.

Don't forget the power advantage.;)

Bhop could decision Hearns, but no way he stops him.

LOL, Hagler stopped him in 3. What makes you think Hopkins couldn't put him to the canvas. Jesus, Ray leonard TKOed his ass!:banana:

LOL, Hagler stopped him in 3. What makes you think Hopkins couldn't put him to the canvas. Jesus, Ray Lenard TKOed his ass!:banana:

Hagler and SRL both went all out against him. Bhop don't take those kinda chances.

Hagler and SRL both went all out against him. Bhop don't take those kinda chances.

I agree that Hearns was a freak of nature at Welterweight, but no way does he beat a prime Hopkins. Hopkins TKO, or KO in less than 6.

I agree that Hearns was a freak of nature at Welterweight, but no way does he beat a prime Hopkins. Hopkins TKO, or KO in less than 6.

Funny how a DLH fan could be so stupid.

Funny how a DLH fan could be so stupid.

I have forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know. Hearns was beaten, and knocked out by boxers smaller than him. B-hop would eat him alive.

Hagler and SRL both went all out against him. Bhop don't take those kinda chances.

yea but its not at WW, its at MW, where Bhop is naturally larger, and Bhop in his prime took some chances, and KOed some really tough guys.

I agree that Hearns was a freak of nature at Welterweight, but no way does he beat a prime Hopkins. Hopkins TKO, or KO in less than 6.

i back up my oppinions with explainations (see first post) but you are just out of your ****in mind, lol

and are you really 9 LOL, get off the computer Jr.

yea but its not at WW, its at MW, where Bhop is naturally larger, and Bhop in his prime took some chances, and KOed some really tough guys.



i back up my oppinions with explainations (see first post) but you are just out of your ****in mind, lol

and are you really 9 LOL, get off the computer Jr.

Like I said before, I have forgotten more about boxing than 95% of this board. That is the reason why I don't post here very often. I haven't seen Tommy fight in real life because I am too young. A matter of fact I am probably too young to even talk about Hopkins!:rofl:

I agree, i also would back bhop to beat hearns

Hearns, while not having a glass jaw didn't exactly have the best chin either nor was he at his best above Welterweight.....So I don't see why the idea of Hopkins stopping him is such a crazy proposition.

Poet

Hearns, while not having a glass jaw didn't exactly have the best chin either nor was he at his best above Welterweight.....So I don't see why the idea of Hopkins stopping him is such a crazy proposition.

I agree, i also would back bhop to beat hearns


Marshmellowalex, like the good internet troll that he is, will now change his post to reflect the opposite of what I just typed.

Poet

Marshmellowalex, like the good internet troll that he is, will now change his post to reflect the opposite of what I just typed.

Poet

No actually, i just speak whats on my mind, and in this case i totally agree with your prediction...having said that i disagree not being his best above 147, thought he did just as good if not better at 154-160...he deserved to beat ray leonard in the rematch which was at 160 i believe, howver weight drained duran was he still koed him and thus had him on his resume, he beat doug dewitt, benitez, andries etc.

and was putting up a very good competitive fight against hagler and was close to stopping him on cuts until he got koed.

and was putting up a very good competitive fight against hagler and was close to stopping him on cuts until he got koed.

Hey man, nobody is saying that Tommy was a joke. I'm probably the biggest Fab4 fan on this site, but B-Hop is a bigger version of any of the Fab4.

Hey man, nobody is saying that Tommy was a joke. I'm probably the biggest Fab4 fan on this site, but B-Hop is a bigger version of any of the Fab4.

Cres, read my prev. post, i said Bhop would win.

I seriously doubt this fight would end in the early rounds. Hopkins didn't take chances agaisnt punchers, and Hearns is more of a threat than anyone Hopkins faced including Trinidad.

Hopkins did say that if he were to fight someone like Ray Robinson with speed, power and ability, he would try to use his strength to wear him down in the clinches.

He would likely step up the pace in the later rounds, much like he did against Trinidad, and it would be up to Hearns' durability and conditioning to survive the later rounds. Hearns did learn from the first Leonard fight enough to know how to clinch, which won him a couple of fights later on in his career.

and was putting up a very good competitive fight against hagler and was close to stopping him on cuts until he got koed.

Cres, read my prev. post, i said Bhop would win.

My post was more of an acknowledgment of how great Tommy really was than a dis against you.:boxing:

oh okay cool cres.

No actually, i just speak whats on my mind

Which would be.....vacuum?

having said that i disagree not being his best above 147, thought he did just as good if not better at 154-160

That's because you're an idiot who doesn't know crap about boxing :rofl:

Poet

WTF, i already knew hate was comin' lol
IMO tommy wouldent be able to land the jab or the right, i think Bhop has better Defence, and he's naturally larger and hits harder then benitez, plus he has the skills to adjust, if benitez almost won, it was close, then i think Bhop could do it, and i DID mention a PRIME Bhop (read title:rofl:)

what hate? where am i hating? all i did was disagree.

u should mention hearns fought the benitez fight with one hand. and it wasnt his best performance. lets say this. if segundo mercado who was also a tall and powerful fighter put hopkins down twice and got a draw, what would hearns do?

u cant compare like that. hearns didnt fight at his best that night, and thats even if u dont mention the fact that he broke his hand early in the fight.

what hate? where am i hating? all i did was disagree.

u should mention hearns fought the benitez fight with one hand. and it wasnt his best performance. lets say this. if segundo mercado who was also a tall and powerful fighter put hopkins down twice and got a draw, what would hearns do?

u cant compare like that. hearns didnt fight at his best that night, and thats even if u dont mention the fact that he broke his hand early in the fight.

I think Hearns performed very well against Benitez actually. Hearns was not knocked down and the scorecards were a little too close in my opinion (much like the previous Duran-Benitez bout), Hearns controlled the fight from the beginning in my view, against a very, very good fighter I might add.

A Hearns who sticks to his gameplan and conserves energy like he did in that fight would be trouble for anybody at 147-160.

Which would be.....vacuum?



That's because you're an idiot who doesn't know crap about boxing :rofl:

Poet

You are the idiot, you didnt veen know mike tysons most recognizied combo was right hook to the body and right uppercut to the head, also...he got koed against ray leonard in the first fight, in therematch at 160, he deserved to win, you do the maths? you know nothing about boxing.

You are the idiot, you didnt veen know mike tysons most recognizied combo was right hook to the body and right uppercut to the head, also...he got koed against ray leonard in the first fight, in therematch at 160, he deserved to win, you do the maths? you know nothing about boxing.

Well, I don't quite see your logic because both were old men by the time they fought in a rematch and Hearns was once again on his way out in the 12th round. He would have won the first fight had it been a 12 rounder.

I personally think that Hearns was at his best at 154 lbs. He was too tall to make the 147 lb limit comfortably and not strong enough against the big middleweights. Barkley came in as a light heavy to his middleweight fights.

154 was a perfect weight for him, but it didn't have the big names and the possible superfights that the welterweight and middleweight divisions had.

Well, I don't quite see your logic because both were old men by the time they fought in a rematch and Hearns was once again on his way out in the 12th round. He would have won the first fight had it been a 12 rounder.

I personally think that Hearns was at his best at 154 lbs. He was too tall to make the 147 lb limit comfortably and not strong enough against the big middleweights. Barkley came in as a light heavy to his middleweight fights.

154 was a perfect weight for him, but it didn't have the big names and the possible superfights that the welterweight and middleweight divisions had.


I know A, my logic was inccorect, was just trying to state facts to back up my theory. I agree with you 154 was his best weight.

Well, I don't quite see your logic because both were old men by the time they fought in a rematch and Hearns was once again on his way out in the 12th round. He would have won the first fight had it been a 12 rounder.

I personally think that Hearns was at his best at 154 lbs. He was too tall to make the 147 lb limit comfortably and not strong enough against the big middleweights. Barkley came in as a light heavy to his middleweight fights.

154 was a perfect weight for him, but it didn't have the big names and the possible superfights that the welterweight and middleweight divisions had.

I don't really think he had a problem at 147 in his youth. Leonard made him come in the ring even smaller than that in their first fight. He looked just as drained fighting Leonard 8 years later @ 162.5 lbs. Only real difference being was that Tommy learned how to hold, and only had to go 12 rounds instead of 15. In other words, stamina simply was just always an issue for Tommy.

Also...Hearns has like 2 of the 3 best names in the W column on his resume from the 154 division (Duran & Benitez).

Just because Hopkins was never kayoed in his career (so far) doesn't mean he has the best chin ever. It's more because he is so careful against big punchers and hasn't fought that many in the first place. Tito Trinidad? Nah, he's a welterweight, LMW at best. You can't consider him a big puncher against Hopkins, who was a LHW in real life.

I believe Hopkins would fight well against Hearns for the first six rounds, then Hearns would stop him in the next two or three.

I don't really think he had a problem at 147 in his youth. Leonard made him come in the ring even smaller than that in their first fight. He looked just as drained fighting Leonard 8 years later @ 162.5 lbs. Only real difference being was that Tommy learned how to hold, and only had to go 12 rounds instead of 15. In other words, stamina simply was just always an issue for Tommy.

Also...Hearns has like 2 of the 3 best names in the W column on his resume from the 154 division (Duran & Benitez).

I don't know about Leonard making him do it but Hearns did indeed come in at 145 and Gil Clancy commentated that it would likely drain him in the later rounds, which it seemingly did. He had nothing left by the 14th.

At 154 he could go the distance very comfortably I thought.

When he fought Leonard a second time, he was simply washed up (as was Leonard) and was damn near knocked out by James Kinchen in his previous fight. How he somehow managed to pull out a performance like he did against Virgil Hill I'll never truly know.

Hearns had his best wins at 154 but aside from Duran and Benitez, there were no other great challengers at the weight. He had to move up to 160 to make the superfight with Marvin Hagler.

Leonard made him come in small in order for Tommy to earn the paycheck he deserved.

How he managed to beat Hill I touched upon in the Virgill Hill thread.

Just because Hopkins was never kayoed in his career (so far) doesn't mean he has the best chin ever. It's more because he is so careful against big punchers and hasn't fought that many in the first place. Tito Trinidad? Nah, he's a welterweight, LMW at best. You can't consider him a big puncher against Hopkins, who was a LHW in real life.

I believe Hopkins would fight well against Hearns for the first six rounds, then Hearns would stop him in the next two or three.

You do realize Hearns came up from Welterweight just like Tito? You can talk about how Hearns had power at LHW all you want, but that's got a hell of a lot more to do with longevity rather than what these guys were like in their prime at 147. Tito was just as devastating there as Hearns. Furthermore, what Tito did to a prime Joppy was sick. After Hopkins beat Tito he later fought Joppy and was sure he could KO Joppy since Tito did it with ease and he KOed Tito. He was so sure he bet a couple hundred thousand dollars that it would come to past. The man then went on to land the highest amount of punches he's ever landed in his entire career. It was around 400 I believe. BUT, Joppy did not even get dropped, much less KOed.

I don't know about Leonard making him do it but Hearns did indeed come in at 145 and Gil Clancy commentated that it would likely drain him in the later rounds, which it seemingly did. He had nothing left by the 14th.

At 154 he could go the distance very comfortably I thought.

When he fought Leonard a second time, he was simply washed up (as was Leonard) and was damn near knocked out by James Kinchen in his previous fight. How he somehow managed to pull out a performance like he did against Virgil Hill I'll never truly know.

Hearns had his best wins at 154 but aside from Duran and Benitez, there were no other great challengers at the weight. He had to move up to 160 to make the superfight with Marvin Hagler.

Leonard made him come in small in order for Tommy to earn the paycheck he deserved.

How he managed to beat Hill I touched upon in the Virgill Hill thread.

Hopkins is the favourite imo, but if he backs up from Hearns and does not get him outta centre ring Hearns could very well win the fight.

Hopkins was a big 160 pounder.

You do realize Hearns came up from Welterweight just like Tito? You can talk about how Hearns had power at LHW all you want, but that's got a hell of a lot more to do with longevity rather than what these guys were like in their prime at 147. Tito was just as devastating there as Hearns. Furthermore, what Tito did to a prime Joppy was sick. After Hopkins beat Tito he later fought Joppy and was sure he could KO Joppy since Tito did it with ease and he KOed Tito. He was so sure he bet a couple hundred thousand dollars that it would come to past. The man then went on to land the highest amount of punches he's ever landed in his entire career. It was around 400 I believe. BUT, Joppy did not even get dropped, much less KOed.



Leonard made him come in small in order for Tommy to earn the paycheck he deserved.

How he managed to beat Hill I touched upon in the Virgill Hill thread.

Yes, but you are forgetting the fact that Tito was caught with those handwraps before the Hopkins fight. And I seriously DOUBT he didn't use them against Joppy. Joppy was also only stopped by Lucian Bute elsewhere. And it was after 10 rounds and he was way past his prime. My point is proven with the Hopkins-Joppy fight. As you said, Hopkins couldn't even knock him down. And Tito could, even with the extra handwraps Joppy was still very tough.

You are the idiot, you didnt veen know mike tysons most recognizied combo was right hook to the body and right uppercut to the head, also...he got koed against ray leonard in the first fight, in therematch at 160, he deserved to win, you do the maths? you know nothing about boxing.

I said his favortite combo was the STRAIGHT right to the body (read chest) leveraged into an uppercut to the head.....You're ignorant fvck that thinks Tyson was a southpaw :rofl: BTW, try THINKING for a change instead of acting like a prototypical dumb jock troglodyte: A hook to the body (read ribs) isn't going to hit anything if leveraged into an uppercut. That only works with a straight punch not a looping one.....then again I wouldn't expect an uneducated caveman like yourself to know anything about physics and human anatomy ect.....not to mention basic geometry.

Poet

I wouldnt doubt it.

i said his favortite combo was the straight right to the body (read chest) leveraged into an uppercut to the head.....you're ignorant fvck that thinks tyson was a southpaw :rofl: Btw, try thinking for a change instead of acting like a prototypical dumb jock troglodyte: A hook to the body (read ribs) isn't going to hit anything if leveraged into an uppercut. That only works with a straight punch not a looping one.....then again i wouldn't expect an uneducated caveman like yourself to know anything about physics and human anatomy ect.....not to mention basic geometry.

Poet

when did i ever say mike tyson was a southpaw?..you were the one who said it. I really am done talking to a guy who is just a plain homo and cant fight wont fight and just talks **** on a reg basis. I have heard countless interviews that his favourite combo was a right hook to the ribs and right uppercut to the head, and even in that video it stated that combo, not the right to the chest leveraged into the uppercut. You are such a fool you thought mike was a southpaw just because he led with the right hook occasionally, i really am done trying to educate your retarded ass on the sport.

i really am done trying to educate your retarded ass on the sport.

Translation: Mommy says he has to get off the computer and do his chores.....either that or the little boy is running up the white flag like every other internet troll that comes looking for me does :boxing:

Poet

let me explain my logic:

tommy's to greatest assets to his game are 1: his beautiful jab, and 2: his right hand.
Bhop has a way of neutralizing weopons such as these,

now let me remind you of a fight, tommy has only fought 1 guy in his carrer that fights SOMEWHAT like Bhop, and that wilfredo benetez.

the fight between benitez and hearns was very exciting, both men knocked each other down, and tomy just slightly edged out a UD, but benitez made a tactical era, he was moveing to HIS left, which is right into to tommy's right hand, but it was still a close fight.

now Bhop would have seen this, and know enough to move to his right, plus bhop has much better power and defence then benitez, and he is much bigger, tommy wouldent have much of a hieght advantage on Bhop,

and tommy does not posses the type of handspeed needed to reall troble bernard. and Bhop is the bigger man, and could exacute his plan better then benitez.

i think Bhop by KO

1: Tommy does have the handspeed to trouble B-Hop, he was a very fast boxer.

2: B-Hop can neutralize a right hand very well, Tommy's right hand? maybe, it's a little different than Pavliks.

3: It's a pick em' fight for me. Hopkins was at his best at MW, Hearns wasn't (although formidable).

B-Hop couldn't completely neutralize Jones right hand, so i think it would be competitive until the late rounds when Tommy tires and Hopkins hits the gas.